Episode 2 with Amber Kunau

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 2 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Amber Kunau.  Hi, Amber.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

 Amber- Our first example took place last month in Kentucky..

1.- Purse Carry in a Louisville, KY Parking Lot  A woman was sitting in her car in a parking garage in downtown Louisville, Kentucky.  A man approached her, presented a knife and demanded her money.  The woman reached into her purse as if she was going for her wallet.  She pulled her gun instead and shot the man.  The man ran a few blocks and then asked for help.  Bystanders called for EMTs and the woman called for police.  She was unhurt.  The attacker is in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

This took place at 6pm just after work, not at midnight.  We commented that thieves would try to grab a woman’s purse, so that means a thief could disarm you.

Amber Notes: Off body carry is not ideal, but happened to work out in this case.  She could have been easily disarmed had the thief taken the whole purse.  Better to carry in a purse than not at all,  Every situation is different. Can’t plan for every instance-do the best you can “improvise”.  What would have happened if she hadn’t had a gun? She could be dead, injured or she could be OK. 

Was she in fear for her life or did she just not want her purse stolen?

Purse stealing not a big deal BUT personal info, house keys stolen, ID with address could lead to other things. Shouldn’t be sitting in your car.  Situational awareness is a term I want you to familiarize with. Think about it, stay safe. Don’t become a victim. Common sense

2- Armed-Citizen Intervention:  What would you do if you saw another person being attacked?  Would you stand back, take pictures and be a good witness?  Does your answer change if the victim is a sheriff’s deputy in uniform and the attacker is going for the deputy’s gun?

Texas Deputy Dylan Dorris was have a very bad day.  The deputy responded to a problem at a gas station in Bastrop county.  It was almost 10 pm when the deputy stopped to talk to a man after reports of a man driving erratically with a child in the car.

The deputy stopped the car and the driver attacked the deputy, punching the deputy and reaching for his gun. An armed civilian saw the fight and stepped in to help.  

Scott Perkins yelled “Freeze!” as he pointed his concealed carry weapon at the suspect.  The suspect stopped fighting the deputy and ran.  The suspect was later arrested later by two deputies.  He was charged with  aggravated assault of a public servant, taking an officer’s weapon, evading arrest or detention with a vehicle, and driving while under the influence.

The deputy was hospitalized and released.  He said, “There are no words to explain it.  I’m alive today because of him.”  A sheriff’s spokesman said, “This is a situation where being a license to carry holder truly did save a life.”

Amber Notes: Give example of armed Sheriff Posse Member in Phoenix intervening in a suspect/police fight. Coma, almost died. Are you willing to risk your life? In this case it worked out but the alternative? Judgement call.  Better be prepared if you are going to get involved. You could become a hero or you could become seriously injured or die. Repeat to yourself I am not the police

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3-Georgia Home Invasion stopped with old rifle: A metro Atlanta man is very lucky he kept an old hunting rifle in his home.  28 year old Timo Hernandez had his mother in town for a visit. There was a knock at the front door as they sat down to eat dinner.  This is what Mr. Hernandez said happened next. “When I opened the door, these two guys stormed in with guns and started pistol-whipping me and took me to the ground.” The second intruder went after his mother, who was trying to escape. Quote “He started pistol whipping and kicking her in the side…He put a gun to my head.”

The son’s attacker demanded money and forced him through the house at gunpoint. They took him to a guest bedroom and threw him to the ground.  That is when Hernandez decided to fight back. His father’s old hunting rifle was stored in that guest room. Hernandez grabbed the rifle, and shot both men.  The thieves ran from the house.  The first one died on a neighbor’s lawn while the second attacker died in the hospital a few days later. 

Amber comments- What if they’d kept him out of that particular room?  Make sure your guns are easily accessible but safe if you have kids etc. Do you keep your guns loaded? There is no time to load a gun in an emergency.  NRA safety rules say keep gun unloaded.  Use common sense.

Rob-  I recommend keep at least ONE gun in your house loaded and easily accessible. Gun safe, biometric safe etc. Don’t open the door for strangers ever. Security door, layers of protection. Answer the door with your gun on you. Carry at home.

No such thing as a “one shot stop,” even from a rifle.  I’ve personally shot deer through the heart and lungs with a .308 Winchester, and still have it run 100 yards before going down.

Exit- Amber Kunau, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?
Amber Kunau- They can contact me Instructor Amber K on Facebook.
Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 1 with Jenna Meek

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 1 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Jenna Meek.  Hi, Jenna.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Jenna- Our first example took place last month in Alaska.

1 First story- Concealed carrier saves security guard (and stops mass murder)-  

Rob- 22 year old Matthew Willhite had never drawn his gun in public.  Come to think of it, most of us who carry concealed haven’t done so either.  Matthew was carrying concealed as he does every day.  This day he was with his girlfriend as she went shopping in a local mall.  It was an ordinary day.. until a mall security guard approached another man and told him to stop.  The man was being detained for shoplifting.  The shoplifter was armed and the shoplifter drew his gun and pointed it at the security guard.  The guard pushed the gun away and the two men struggled.

Matthew Willhite heard the security guard yell “Gun, gun, gun!” and then yell for help.  Willhite pulled his own firearm and pointed it at the armed thief.  In Willhite’s own words, “I yelled that I had a gun and he should drop it, and he eventually saw (the .45).  Once he dropped the gun, the security officer handed me the gun, so I kicked it behind me and kept (my gun) on him until the security officers put handcuffs on him.”  Willhite said he had his gun at “an angle where he could see me, but nobody else was going to get hurt.”

Jenna, what do you think of that?

JENNA comments-  Techniques- ?Does your wife or girlfriend hold your strong hand as you walk? Do you carry bags or packages in your strong hand?

Are you willing to move so you have a clear shot before you put your finger on the trigger?

Results- Think about this. The thief had more than four cartridges.  There were more than four people in the mall.  I think this armed young man stopped mass murder!

2- Store clerk saves employees and customer..again (and stops mass murder)

This incident started with a loud bang.  The convenience store owner didn’t have time to react before the masked robber drew a gun, stepped past customers and started shooting.  The store owner and another employee grabbed guns that were hidden behind the counter at Snappy’s Convenience Store in Deerfield Beach, Florida.  The owner and employee fired back .. several times.  The store owner’s gun jammed, and by the time he secured a third gun that he had hidden behind the counter, the thief was down and out of the fight.  Surveillance video confirms the owner’s story.  Both victims were shooting.  Police pronounced the thief dead at the scene.  The thief had a criminal history of drug trafficking and was out of jail on probation.

This was the third time the store owner faced an attempted armed robbery.  They had six firearms kept hidden around the store.  This was the third time they fought back and prevailed. 

JENNA comments- Physical- Loose guns get ignored, get dirty, and jam. Also, the best place for a defensive firearm is ON YOUR PERSON.

They ducked behind the counter and moved. Counter was probably not actually adequate cover from bullets. Consider the materials; would it have stopped bullets?

Two defenders versus one attacker.

Have you ever practiced with your spouse or co-worker to walk to the household guns and defend the family?  It took us over a minute to get a loaded gun in hand.  Presentation from concealed carry takes 1 second. I keep a gun on my person, even at home.

Was there time to call the police?

The thief didn’t ask for cash, he started shooting.

Results- There were three employees and at least one customer in the store.  A mass murder is four or more people killed in a single incident.  I’m sure it felt like self-defense, but the store owner stopped mass murder.

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3- Concealed carry while you get your haircut (and stop mass murder)

Two masked and armed criminals pushed their way into a crowded Columbia, South Carolina barbershop filled with men, women and children.  One of the men carried a long gun and the other had a handgun.  The two thugs demanded money and repeatedly threatened everyone with violent death.  They told the customers to put their hands up, and one by one, to empty their pockets.  Fortunately, two of the victims had concealed carry permits.. and they were armed.  The barber told the thief that his money was behind the barber chair.  The barber and another store customer started shooting when the thief turned.  Their shots struck one of the robbers several times.

The two criminals ran from the barbershop. One escaped, the other dropped to the street.  He died in a nearby hospital. None of the customers or employees in the barbershop were injured.

Investigators determined that the suspect’s weapons was stolen from a South Carolina home back in 2012.  Police examined surveillance video and ruled the incident as self-defense.

JENNA comments- Physical-  Would this have worked at all with off body carry, say a woman had her gun in her purse while she was having her hair done? This is a big problem with off body carry.

Mental- Is a barbershop where you expect to be robbed?  It isn’t a nightclub.  It isn’t a convenience store next to the highway late at night.

The robbery victims were armed.  They did not present their weapons and fire as soon as they saw the threat.  They waited for an opportunity when the robbers were looking away.

Lots of screaming, crying and moving people.  This is not like our square shooting range. The robbers were shot and still ran away. 87 percent of handgun wounds are not lethal. Results- Another mass murder that didn’t happen because of a good buy with a gun.

Exit- Jenna Meeks, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?

Jenna- They can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  Here is my new book “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.