Episode 56 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 56 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Amber Kunau joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob– Welcome to episode 56 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.

Hi, Amber.  How have you been?

Amber- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy with work and family, but its a good busy.

 

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  This time you hear a noise downstairs.  It’s just after 1 in the morning and you recognize the sound of your downstairs windows being forced open.  You live in a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama.  You lived here for the last 21 years.  The neighborhood has changed and your house has been robbed 13 times in the last ten months.  You’re 79 years old and you hear the two robbers coming upstairs from the basement.  They search the other two bedrooms on the upper floor of your house.  That is when you grab your firearm.  One of the robbers enters your bedroom and says, “Don’t move.  Don’t move, nigger.”

You move.  You shoot the robber one time in the chest.  Then you walk to the top of the stairs and chased the second robber from your home.  The second robber shoots at you as he runs from your home.  His bullet grazes your ankle.  You call police.  The first robber is dead on your floor.  The emergency medical responders take you to the hospital and they bandage the wound on your ankle.

This is the 14th time people broke into your home.  You tell the police you’ve become a prisoner in your own home because people keep breaking in and stealing your possessions.  You tell the police, “I hate that boy dead, but I don’t hate I shot him.”

Police officials say you won’t face charges since you were defending yourself from an armed invader at night.

Amber- We have disparity of force.  Multiple robbers.  Young men attacked a single older man.

Rob-  Amber, the news reports made it sound like the victim suddenly had a gun.  His gun did not materialize out of thin air.  What did he have to do to get his gun?

Amber-  near, ready, secure.  I keep mine in a locked compartment with a combination lock.  I practice opening it every day when I dress and put on my gun.

Rob- He heard multiple people in his home.  He shot one of them.  He then walked out of his bedroom.  He was also wounded.  That is a tough situation.  What does the victim have to juggle next.

Amber- night time, experience has proven that he will get robbed or attacked, be careful what you say to the police

Rob-  It might sound like we’re criticizing him for leaving his room.  What did the victim do correctly?

Amber- He stayed in his bedroom and shot the robber when there was a clear threat to his life.

Rob- Are those the high points?

Amber- Our second story took place in Detroit.

Rob- Are you armed when you’re in your apartment at 8 in the morning on a weekday?  You’ve only lived here for a few months.  You had to leave your old place because you have a stalker.  He beat you.  Now, your ex-boyfriend won’t leave you alone.  He’s already found this new place.  In earlier incidents at this appartment, your stalker broke your windows and kicked in your garage door.   This morning, you hear someone outside the front of your apartment.  He’s here again, and calling from the front door.  You call to your brother who is staying with you.  Your stalker kicks in the front door.  He’s armed.  Your brother draws his firearm and shoots the intruder several times in the chest.  The intruder drops his gun and drops to the ground.  You call police.

The police are convinced your stalker intended to kill you since he came armed and left his car running on the street in front of your apartment.  Thank god your brother had a gun.

Amber- This story is unusual and ordinary.  I’m glad we found this story of a domestic violence victim defending herself.  We don’t see that often enough.  What we do see all the time is that if you need a gun then you need it right now.  There was no time to go to the back bedroom, open a gun safe, load a magazine, load your gun, and then walk to the front of the apartment.  I see students who want to protect themselves but have not taken that last step to go armed.

It looks like the victim’s brother carried a gun, so rather than learn to carry herself, she borrowed him.

Rob-  Borrowing an armed relative is a temporary solution at best.

Amber-  Yes, but the victim did something to protect herself and that is the important thing.  You know there is a threat and don’t ignore it.

Rob- It sounds like they heard the stalker outside their home.  You think the brother was wearing a gun.

Amber- The woman should have been in the back of the house at this point.  She did not need to be near the front door.  Her brother didn’t need to be near the front door either.  Firearms are distance weapons.  He could have protected them while he was watching the front door from a room at the end of the hallway.  Maybe he did.  The story doesn’t say.

Rob- So you don’t have to stand in the open and get shot by your attacker.  Good idea now that you mention it.

Amber- This isn’t Hollywood.  You don’t need to be a target.

Rob-  I need reminding just like everyone else.  That is why I take instruction every year.

Amber- Our third story took place in Oklahoma.

 

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Rob- Third Story-  Are you armed at home in the afternoon?  The first thing you hear is a terrible crash from the back of your parents home. You walk towards the sound and wonder if your folks are alright.  It is just after noon, and you see three stranger men dressed in black standing in the back of your folks home.  They’ve just kick in the back door.  Your folks are not in sight.  You yell for the intruders to leave, and you turn back to your bedroom and grab your rifle.  You head towards the back of your house calling for your mom and dad.  The intruders are still there.  Again, you shout for them to leave.  They move toward you, and you open fire shooting all three of them.  Two of the robbers never make it out of the house.  The third runs out the back door and makes it to the driveway.  The getaway car driver squeals down the driveway before the robber makes it to the getaway car.

You barricade yourself in your bedroom and call the police.  The police catch the getaway driver.  The police say there have been a number of robberies in the area.  They found brass knuckles and a knife on the robbers.  The robbers were wearing gloves and masks.

Amber-  This is more like the usual stories we cover each week.  In our first two stories, the victims had an ongoing threat.  Our third story was a surprise.  The victim had no reason to suspect that he would be robbed.  That is why we need to be prepared all the time.

Rob-  Given the amount of time the victim had, he must have had the rifle at hand and the magazines loaded.  At least the gun was not in a locked safe.  Some of the news accounts said his parents were in the home at the time.

Amber-  That means the defender had to act.  The dead robbers parents said it was unfair that the victim had a rifle.  Three thugs carrying weapons didn’t break down someone’s door looking for a fair fight.  Three against one, that is the disparity of force we talk about.

And there are politicians who want us disarmed, or to limit us to only carrying 8 cartridges in our gun.

Rob- The victim had  a gun ready.

Amber-  That is my point.  Like a fire extinguisher, you need your gun when you need it.

 

Rob- Exit-  That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on my Facebook page.  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 50 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 50 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Amber Kunau joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 50 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.

How have you been?

Amber – Hi, Rob.  I’m… (it has been two months)

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Rob- Someone asked us why our discussion sometimes sounds scripted.  The answer is pretty simple.  I wasn’t at each of these robberies.  I collect the news accounts from several sources and put them together from the victim’s point of view.

Amber-  Some instructors write down every single word they want to say.  That can sound scripted.  Some instructors just write a few bullet points for the topics they want to cover.  That means that most of the conversation is free-form, and never makes it into the show notes.

Rob- I don’t know how to be both spontaneous and thoughtful.  I edit our half-hour conversation into a 15 minutes episode.  Lots of what we say never makes it onto the podcast.

Amber- So that is how two people who want to make clear concise points talk about self-defense.  Because it is really important information and we don’t want anything to get lost in translation.

Our first story took place last week in Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you stop for coffee in the morning?

It is an ordinary work day.  You’re driving to work on your usual route.  Traffic is the same as it was the day before.  You stop for gas, a snack, and coffee at your usual store.  You wait as a customer orders, and you start to place your regular order, just as you have for the last 15 years.

The bell rings and another customer walks in behind you.  He yells, and you and the clerk look up.  The guy is wearing a mask over his face, and he has a gun pointed at you.  The robber yells, “’open the drawer and both of you get back in the cooler.'”  That is what happened in a small town just north of Tampa, Florida.

The clerk moves toward the cooler, and you follow him.  The robber closes the door.  That is when it dawns on you.  No one can hear what happens in this refrigerated room.  No one on the street will see what happens here.  The robber could open the door, and you’d have no time to react.  “We have to get out of here.”  You’re carrying your gun, just as you have for years.  You have your Florida permit.

You draw your handgun and walk out of the cooler.  The armed robber turns toward you.  You shoot, and miss.  The robber doesn’t run.  Instead he charges you and reaches for your gun.  You shoot again, and the robber falls to the floor.

You stand there while the clerk calls the police.

The robber was shot in the hip.  He was taken to the hospital with non life threatening injuries.   The criminal had more than 11 previous arrests, including theft and burglary charges.

Amber- (warning shots)???? Rob I don’t read this as the person firing warning shots I read it as he shot and missed? Am I missing something?  

Rob- Not sure.

Your life is in danger, or it isn’t

You have the right to use lethal force or you don’t.

Every gunshot is potentially fatal.  Every one.  The ones you shoot and the ones shot at you.

Don’t carry a gun in the hope that you will frighten a robber into running away.  That is the wrong reason.  To carry every day, you are willing to kill in order to save a life that criminals put at risk. In self defense shootings there are no winners, only victims. If you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t carry a gun.

Rob- Have you seen new gun owners who are mentally choosing a gun that doesn’t look lethal?  Sometimes I wonder if people choose small guns to conceal, or because they think a small green gun isn’t as lethal as a large black one.

Amber – No I haven’t Rob have you?

Rob- How do warning shots get us killed?

Amber-  You gave the robber time to kill you.  I’m begging you.  Don’t do that.

Rob- Could you run out the back of the store?

Amber- I wasn’t there.  If you could run out without the robber seeing you, then that could be a choice.  My point is that you don’t have to put your life at risk in order to save the life of someone who is trying to kill you.

Rob- Wow.

Amber – Our second story took place in Maryland.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home while you watch TV in the evening?

Two women were watching TV late at night.  They heard someone break the sliding glass window at the back of their home.  They ran upstairs.  One of the homeowners called police.  The second woman headed down stairs with her gun.  The robber had a knife in each hand.  She held the robber for police.

The first homeowner remained on the phone and described the situation to the dispatcher.

Amber – Glad they are OK and had a gun at all. Think about keeping guns on every level of your home. Seconds count. They did the right thing calling the police right away but I question why one of them went back downstairs and put themselves closer to the intruder.

Rob-What do you think a better option would have been?

Amber – If they weren’t going back downstairs to protect a child or another person they should have stayed put upstairs and watched and listened from a distance until the police came. It’s easy to play monday morning quarterback but we want to make sure our listeners really think about these things long and hard.

Amber- Our third story took place in Michigan.


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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re out to eat with your date?  

You and your date are standing in line at the E&S Carry Out Shrimp Shack in Detroit.  You are looking at the menu and trying to decide what to have for dinner.  A young man comes into the restaurant and tells everyone to hand over their belongings.  You see the robber put his gun in your date’s face.

You throw your keys and wallet on the floor.  The thief turns to pick them up. You draw and fire one time.  The thief drops the gun and falls to the floor.  You kick the robber’s gun away.  Someone calls police.  You have your permit to carry.  You stay on scene and show your permit to police.

The armed citizen said, “I would have given him money if he asked for money.” but the robber wasn’t begging.

The robber was taken to the hospital for treatment of a gunshot wound to the stomach.

Amber- Stopped mass murder. There were the employees and at least four customers in the restaurant.

Rob- So the victim saved himself and everyone else.

Amber-  the victim said too much to police.  Please don’t say anything to the police other than you were in fear for your life, as long as you actually were in fear for your life.

Rob- People want to talk when they are excited.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on my Facebook page  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amber – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 42 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 42 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 42 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is a proud part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.  How have you been, Amber?

Amber – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Amber- Our first story took place this month in Pennsylvania.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you go out at night?  A 42 year old man went out late at night.  He went to his automated teller machine in Pittsburg to get some cash.  Two teenagers approached him at the same time.  Two teenagers wearing black masks.  Two teenagers demanding his money.  The two teenagers were also carrying handguns.  The 42 year old was a concealed carrier and he was armed at the time.  He shot the two armed robbers.  One was shot in the stomach and the second was shot in the leg.  The victim was not injured.  He remained on the scene to talk to police.  The police confiscated the robber’s guns and sent the robbers to the hospital. Because they are teenagers, there is no public record of prior arrests.

Amber- This is a perfect example of why you should be armed even if you are just running a quick errand. It’s kind of like how they say most accidents happen within a mile of your home. Never become complacent. Things like this happen during the most mundane things. Cutting the grass, getting gas, going to the grocery store.  Things like that.

Do your shopping during the day if you can.

Rob-  Two attackers on one?

Amber-  Typical, and at short distance and at night.

Rob-  What classes does a new gun owner need so they could present a loaded gun they had concealed under their clothes, and have a good chance of hitting their attacker at night?

Amber-safety, CC, presentation, point shooting, legal use of force, low light class. Most self defense shootings take place at night.

Amber – Our second story took place in Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?  A woman in Washington County Texas heard loud noises coming from her garage.  The homeowner thought someone was trying to break into her home.  She grabbed her gun and walked toward the sound.  She confronted the burglar and told her to stop where she was.  The homeowner called police.

The robber told police she ran out of gasoline.  The police got the robber’s ID, and the robber from Houston had an extensive criminal record.  She was charged with felony burglary and held in jail on $100,000. bond.

Amber-  It isn’t clear if the robber was held in the garage or if the robber had already entered the home.

Rob-  The good news is that the homeowner wasn’t hurt.

Amber- Yes, but you’re betting your experience against theirs.  Are you better at holding someone for police than they are at attacking someone?

Rob- I bet the homeowner was pretty upset.  I doubt she thought of that.

Amber- That is why you have to think these things through ahead of time.  It sounds like the homeowner didn’t have her gun with her.  That means the homeowner was lucky the burglar didn’t break in while she was away from her gun.

Amber- Our third story took place in Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  A clerk was working the night shift at a convenience store on the north side of Chicago.  It was almost ten in the evening, when three young men walked into the store.  One of them produced a gun and demanded the money from the cash register.  The clerk was only 21 years old, but he was armed that evening.  He had an Illinois license to carry a concealed weapon.  The clerk drew his firearm and shot two of the three robbers.  The robbers ran.  Then the clerk called the police.  The clerk was slightly injured but declined treatment.

Police captured the robbers at the hospital.  Their criminal history isn’t available, but the Cook County prosecutor held them on 900 thousand dollars bond.

Amber-  Kudos to the employers that allow ccw on the job and to the clerk who had the foresight to carry on the job. So many gas station robberies that happen I wouldn’t want to work at one but if I did you can be darn sure I would have a weapon and know how to use it well

Rob- That confrontation was over in seconds.

Amber-  You have to know what you’ll do, because the robbery or self-defense will be over before you have time to think about it.

Rob- With three attackers, it sounds like shooting and moving was really important.

Amber- It is important to think of which of the three attackers you needed to stop first.  You have to think about that ahead of time.

Rob- You’re a competitor, and that situation is similar to a competition where you have to address different targets in order.

Amber- Competition is stressful

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on Facebook  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amber – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 35 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 35 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 35 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is now part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.  I think this is the fifth time Amber and I have been together on this podcast.  How have you been?Amber shoulder

 

Amber – Hi, Rob.   I’m good.  I want to welcome our new listeners, and say welcome back our regular listeners. Together, Rob and I report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia

Rob- Are you armed at home in the evening?  A single mother was at home with her three children.  Someone knocked on her front door late in the evening.  The man she saw seemed a stranger, but after a second she recognized him as a friend of her brothers or sisters.  The homeowner didn’t know the man, and asked him to leave.  A few minutes later, she heard a noise at her bedroom window.  The homeowner grabbed her gun and again walked toward the front door.  This time she saw the stranger sitting on her front porch.  The homeowner slightly opened the door and again asked the man to leave.  The man pushed against the door and forced his way inside.  The woman was pushed back into her own home.  She shot the intruder three times in the stomach.

The intruder ran, but was soon arrested by police.  The burglar was a felon and tried to give the Warner Robins police a false name.

Rob- Amber, I could hear you as I read this story for the first time.  The young woman opened the door, didn’t she.

 

Amber – YES and why? You always want to make you and your family’s safety a priority.  The first thing she should have done is call the police. Please let the police do their job! Seconds count so of course you want to have your gun ready in case there is an immediate threat BUT please don’t misjudge or mishandle a situation.  First call the police and then take whatever steps you need to protect yourself.  Have your gun ready, have your kids a safe distance away.  Watch from a safe distance but do NOT open the door….EVER.

Rob- I wish she’d listened to your earlier episodes.  I bet she didn’t have a holster.  So I wonder what she did with her gun when the police arrived.

Amber- Did she have a holster? Did she throw it in the couch cushion? It’s so important when police are coming because of a shooting, possible active shooter the police are armed and at the ready don’t be mistaken for the bad guy things can happen in the blink of an eye, police are extra cautious because of recent nationwide police attacks.

Rob- Domestic violence calls are some of the most dangerous calls the police answer.  She shot someone, but that doesn’t end the story.

Amber -She shot the intruder and her and her family were safe, this is a good thing. But it could have ended up much worse. Don’t discount the feelings you have after shooting someone.  There is a lot to feel.  You’ll face PTSD, guilt, grief, depression as you run through all the what-if scenarios.

Rob- Those are a lot of reasons to keep the door closed.

Amber – Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed at work?  Most of us don’t think of retail sales as a dangerous job, but it can be.  It was an ordinary day for a jewelry store in Conroe, Texas.  There were three employees in the store as well as several customers.  That is when four armed men dressed in black pants and black hoodies rushed into the store.  The black robed robbers demanded the purse from an older customer and demanded the money and jewelry in the store.  The robbers thought they would surprise the store employees with their violent actions and because all of the robbers were armed.  The robbers started shooting.  To the robbers surprise, the store employees were all armed as well.  The store employees shot back.  The store owner came out of the back room with his own rifle and also shot at the robbers.  One of the robbers collapsed inside the store, and the other three robbers ran.  Police are studying the surveillance video for clues.  Neither the customers nor the store staff were injured this time.

This family owned store also was the victim of an attempted robbery last year when five intruders tried to break into the store.  Those intruders ran when they saw that the store owner was armed with a shotgun.

Amber-  Of course they had a gun.  They had been robbed before.  It was a family owned store.  The owner and his family worked there.  Can you imagine how the owner felt with his family in the store with him?  He knew they needed a gun to protect themselves.  They carried a personal firearm so they could be safe at work and defend each other.

They were prepared this time.  Good for him.  Good for all of them.

Rob-  They learned from their experience a year ago.  Can we learn from their experience, or do we have to be robbed before we learn that violence is real?

Amber- I hope we learn the easy way.  Most of my students want to learn the easy way, but some of them have been victimized before they decided to go armed.

Rob- I’m sorry for your students who were hurt.   It is smart to learn from other people’s experience as well as our own.  What else did you notice about this attack?

Amber- At first I was glad the store owner had a rifle with a standard capacity magazine.  When taken together, the thugs probably had more ammunition than the store owner with his rifle.

Rob- The thugs could carry large guns with a large capacity.  The robbers were not bothered by a heavy gun they had to carry all day or a gun that was hard to conceal.  Not their problem.

Amber- Exactly.  That small gun that is easy for us to conceal in a belly band doesn’t carry a lot of ammunition and it is hard to shoot accurately.  Small guns require more training and practice if you’re going to be effective with them.  That brings up something else.

Rob- What do you see?

Amber- I also I noticed that his family shot back.  Good for them.  It is much harder for an attacker to defeat several armed defenders.  The family defended each other and didn’t freeze.  That saved their lives.

Rob- There was a lot of shooting going on.

Amber- Yeah, the thugs were firing wildly.  Some of the defenders were shooting accurately, but some of the defenders missed too.  That is where training pays off.  The family could have stopped the threat much sooner if they’d taken training and then practiced.  When is the last time you practiced?

Rob- Yesterday.  Having someone try to kill you is a shock.  Is there counselling that would help them after the attack?

Amber- This family could for sure suffer from PTSD after something like this. When you are in a gun battle for your life there will most likely be unwanted and even dangerous after effects.  Find an emotional trauma counselor for help.

Amber- Our last story also took place in Texas.

 

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home in the morning?  A 71 year old disabled veteran heard someone kick in the back door of his Mission Texas home.  The elderly man also heard some moving around in his laundry room.  The vet grabbed his gun and told the intruder to come out.  A young man stepped out of his laundry room, and the old man told him to stop.  The young man moved toward the homeowner and the homeowner shot him.  The young man ran.  The elderly man tried to call police, but his phone line was cut.  The elderly man eventually contacted police and the young man was arrested.  The young man had also called police and claimed someone had shot him.  The young man was taken to the hospital because of a bullet wound to his leg.

Rob- This wasn’t a lost neighbor, was it.

Amber-  No this was someone looking to rob a senior citizen and boy did he get a surprise or what. Big tough guy had to call the police because he committed a crime.

Rob- So want should we learn from this experience?

Amber- Have your gun readily available.  If you have a multi level home have a gun on every floor.  I do.

Rob- I like that you and your family are not going to be an easy victims.  In this case, a young man deliberately chose a 71 year old because he would be an easy victim.

Amber- I’m glad this man was ok and the good guy wins and the bad guy loses.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on Facebook  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amber – If you liked these examples then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

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Episode 29 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 29 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction-  Rob- We’re back with episode 29 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  Self-Defense Gun Stories is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and I’m joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau. Amber shoulder

Amber- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We bring you the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you love.  Our first story took place last week in Tennessee.

First story- Can you defend yourself in your bedroom?  A couple in Sevierville, TN were asleep in their upstairs bedroom.  A noise woke them up.  They called 911 at about 5 in the morning and said an intruder was inside their home after breaking in the front door.

The homeowner armed himself with a handgun and told the intruder that law enforcement had been called, then warned the intruder not to come up the stairs to the bedroom.

The intruder came upstairs before the police arrived.  The intruder pointed a gun at the homeowner, and the only then did the homeowner draw and point his gun at the intruder.  The homeowner told the intruder to get down on the ground and not to move.  The intruder did.

The intruder was in possession of methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia when he was arrested.  The intruder was charged with aggravated assault, especially aggravated burglary, unlawful possession of a weapon by a convicted felon, gun possession during a violent felony and narcotic possession.  The intruder remains in the County jail.

Amber-  The homeowner used verbal commands before he drew a gun.

Typical because no shots fired.

Extraordinary because the homeowner had every reason to shoot.

The druggie said someone was after him.  Perhaps the druggie was too confused to be a threat, but you can’t know that when someone points a gun at you after breaking into your home.

The homeowner had a gun and he didn’t have time to go to the study and get a gun from the safe.

Rob- Better doors?

Amber- Better doors for your front door and bedroom would have bought the homeowner and the police more time to respond. Maybe he was so hopped-up on drugs he was better able to bust the doors down.  Get quality training too.

Our second story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed when you are working in the back yard?  A young homeowner was standing in the backyard of his home at 8 in the evening.  The homeowner was armed and had received his concealed carry license four months ago.  The homeowner and his dad were standing there talking to each other when they noticed two young teenagers walk through the neighborhood several times.  The two teens then came down the driveway toward the two men.

The two teens pointed a gun at the homeowner and his dad.  The homeowner shot seven times before the teens turned away.  The homeowner called the police.

One of the attackers died at the scene.  The second ran home before asking for medical help.  

The homeowner said, “The first teenager pulls out his firearm and points it directly at us.  I didn’t let him finish talking. My first reaction was to take out my gun and open fire.  I didn’t want him to die, but oh well. He asked for it.”  The homeowner did not know the teenagers.

Amber-  Don’t talk like that when you are interviewed by the police.

Would you believe your eyes if a teenager pointed a gun at you?  You would if you were aware of crime in your area.

You and your family are looking death in the eye.  It is time to act right now.  You have no time to do anything but be a victim unless you’re armed.  You don’t have time to call for help.  You don’t have time to shout for your wife or husband.  The problem is immediate and lethal.

If you are not carrying a gun, then what are you going to do?  What is your plan if you’re unarmed?  You are betting your life that a teenage robber wants to leave you alive.

I want you to have better options.  This man and his family are alive because he defended himself.

Amber- Our third story took place last week near Lindale, Ohio.

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Third story- Are you armed when you go shopping?  A family dollar store was packed with shoppers buying back-to-school supplies.  The parking lot and nearby intersection were busy at 3 in the afternoon.  A man left the store and then was approached by an armed robber.  The robber fired first, then the victim drew his own gun and fired back.  Both men fired their guns several times.  The victim wasn’t hit, but the robber was.  Fortunately, none of the bystanders were struck.

The robber was shot in the head.  That stopped the gunfight.  It is unclear if the robber fell to the ground immediately or was captured nearby by policer.  Medical technicians took the robber to the hospital in critical condition.  The victim was not charged.  Police are looking at surveillance video.

Amber- You can’t talk your way out of an armed robbery.  You can’t negotiate when someone points a gun at you.  You have to move, present your firearm, and hit your target to stop the threat.  That is exactly what this man did.  He is alive today because of it.

Let me say that again.

  • Recognize the threat and be committed to saving your own life.
  • Move and present your firearm.  If you want to throw down your wallet as a distraction and back up with your hands spread, that is fine, but it doesn’t stop the threat.
  • Shoot until the threat stops.
  • Move to ensure your own security.
  • Call for police.

Explain you’re the victim, and then be quiet until you have a lawyer.

Rob- Law enforcement is happy to prosecute you even if you’re innocent.  All the prosecutor needs need is a convincing story, so don’t give the police the story to use against you.

Amber- That self-control comes with practice.  I want our listeners to practice the entire scope of self-defense all the way through, from recognizing a threat, all the way to talking to the police.  I’d rather that you were exposed to all of it than be an expert in one area and clueless about the others.  Be a well rounded student of self-defense.

You must also be sure of yourself because a gun fight endangers other people if you miss.

Rob- Now that you say it that way, there is plenty to learn.

Amber- That way it never becomes boring.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on Facebook  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.

Amber- If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.

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Amber- That is how I listen, and please give us a rating on I-Tunes so other people will find us.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 17 with Amber Kumau

Welcome to episode 17 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

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Rob- Welcome to episode 17 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.  Hi Amber.

Amber- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Our first example took place last month in East Texas.

First story-  A man was walking across a taco stand parking lot late at night.  Two men approached him.  One was wearing a grey hooded sweatshirt.  The other was wearing a bandana over his face and carrying a handgun.  This intended victim had his concealed handgun license, and he was armed that night.  He shot one of the robbers several times.  The other robber escaped.  The wounded thief was arrested and transported to a local hospital.

Amber-The first thing I want to point out about this story is that the victim is safe and at least one of the bad guys is in custody. This is a WIN! These types of criminals with violent pasts walk among us every day. Many of them have committed other crimes and many have arrest warrants but that doesn’t mean that they are in jail. Maybe they wanted to rob to the guy and not harm him but who is willing to take that chance? I know if there is a gun pointed at me that my life is in imminent danger.  I have every right in the world to exercise my rights to defend my life.  That is exactly what the victim did here. This happened right outside a restaurant not in a dark alley somewhere. These kinds of violent crime happen anywhere and at any time. It is imperative to stay vigilant and stay safe. Always carry a gun and be prepared to defend your life.

Rob- This sounds hard.  The victim was away from home, two attackers against one, and this happened late at night probably in the dark.  Amber, how many of your students practice their presentation after they take their concealed carry course?

Amber- We hope all of them do. It is something we recommend to all of our students.

Rob- Do they practice in low light?

Amber- Low light classes aren’t super popular but they are offered but it is so important to try to find a low light class or even shoot a competition at night is a great way to practice shooting in low light situations.

Our next story happened in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.

Second Story-  A pharmacy owner in Levittown was prepared.  He had a security camera system installed.  More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning.  He saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan.  The driver remained in the car with the engine running.  The masked man also carried a shotgun.  The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter.  The store owner shouted for the thief to stop.  The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun.  The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber.  The robber collapsed on the floor.  Police arrested the waiting accomplice.

Amber- This a fantastic story of “the good guy winning”. The victim was PREPARED. Probably the single most important factor.

Rob- Being prepared isn’t as simple as it sounds.

Amber- No, it isn’t.  The pharmacist was aware.  The video system let the pharmacist see what was coming.  I’m sure he didn’t believe that the thief had a gun based on the first frame of the video, but then the pharmacist saw the gun again and believed his eyes.  That let him become mentally prepared.

The robber had a pocket full of zip ties and wanted to tie up anyone in the store.  The robber was prepared.  As the defender, it wouldn’t help you very much if you saw the threat but you don’t have the tools to protect yourself.  

The intended victim owned a gun AND had his gun with him.  That decision saved his life.  The police and the DA in this case said the man had no choice and NO CHARGES will be brought against him because he had to defend his life and his business.

So many people forget that is an inalienable right which is why we are here today to discuss this and remind people that these things happen every day and it is up to US to keep OURSELVES safe. The police could not have gotten there in time to help this man. But since he was armed he was able to go home at the end of the day.

Rob- The video system also documented the robbery.  That is why the police quickly recognized this as a justified self-defense.  That video system just paid for it self when the pharmacist avoided tens of thousands of dollars in bills to pay for his legal defense.

Amber- In this case the video system was cheap insurance.

Our next story took place in Saint Louis.

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Third story-  This story is a little complicated.  A man was waiting to pick up his girlfriend in the parking lot of the Flying Saucer restaurant.  It was 10:30 at night when a 20 year old thief approached the waiting driver.  The thief demanded the victim turn over his truck.  The driver slid out of his truck, and then shot the robber.  The robber had two accomplices.  The wounded robber ran to his friends while the accomplices shot at the armed victim.  The armed victim then returned fire.  He missed them, but hit their car.

The victim ran to a nearby business and notified police.  He had suffered a leg wound and was taken to the hospital.  Two of the three thieves were caught when they went to a hospital seeking treatment.  

Amber- I hope the bad guys will start to think twice before attacking someone. I never get tired of hearing about the good guys standing up to the bad guys do you Rob?

Rob- I like it when the good guys save lives.. And this guy did.  He also called police.

Amber- I think the shooting was justified. One thing I want to point out to listeners here is that the story says the attacker was getting into his truck to leave. You have a split second to decide what to do. This is where training comes in.  Take some time and think about what you would do in this situation.

Was there a better alternative? Could the victim have sped away quickly instead as he saw the attacker starting to flee?

Rob- We think that we’re safe if we escape the one person we see robbing us.  In this case, the robber had two accomplices.

Amber- They usually do.

Rob-  Our defender might have been out of luck if he carried a revolver.

Amber- That is true, but my students have to start with what they can carry.

We need to study this for at least 2 reasons.

1- you can only shoot someone if you are imminent fear for your life. I assume the victim was in danger or he would not have shot at the suspect but it’s important to consider these things when….BEFORE they happen so you are prepared to make good choices in a chaotic situation.

2- it’s possible the situation could have been made worse when the victim didn’t immediately drawing his gun.  Remember, they ran after he presented his weapon.  I wonder if his shots let to the full on gunfight.  Also, his shots only hit the vehicle but what if they hadn’t?

Rob- you’re worried about where the shots might have gone since the victim missed his attackers?

Amber- Criminals don’t care where their shots go.  We do.  We are the responsible ones, and we care because we don’t want to hurt innocent people even if we are being attacked.  

Rob- In this case, the victim had to draw, move and shoot at a moving target, in the dark, while people were shooting at him.  When I say it that way, it sounds like Hollywood.

Amber- That is reality, and why our training classes stress the importance of going through these types of scenarios ahead of time so we are prepared to make good choices.  In a life or death situation like this, there is no time to think.  There is only time to act.

Rob- We have to plan ahead of time, and practice mentally and physically.

Amber- Yes.  We need to know what to do.. and know that we can do it.  We won’t have the confidence to act without instruction, training and practice.

Rob- That brings things into focus.  I’m thankful for all the instructors who taught me.

Amber- Me too.  That is why I teach.

Exit-Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amber- They can contact me at Instructor Amber K on Facebook  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 13 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 13 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

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Amber- Hi, Rob. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Our first example took place last week in Tennessee.

Rob First story-  What would you do?  Imagine you are a young couple.  You arrive home and the windows are broken.  You enter your home with your guns drawn and find an armed intruder in your closet.  The intruder has his gun pointed at you.  The intruder says he will shoot you unless you drop your guns.  That is the real situation faced by a young couple in Athens, Tennessee.  The couple recognized the intruder as the 20 year old who lived next door.  The couple backed out of the house with their guns drawn, and called police.  The intruder took his own life while talking with police.

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Rob Second Story-  Their house had been robbed before.  11 year old Chris Gaither was home alone Wednesday morning when his heard someone break into his home.  Chris grabbed his father’s 9 millimeter handgun.  Chris told the intruder to get out, but the intruder said he would kill Chris and that Chris should get out of the house.

Perhaps the robber didn’t think Chris’s gun was real.  Perhaps the robber didn’t think Chris knew how to use it.  Chris’s step dad had taught Chris how to shoot.  The intruder found out the gun was real when Chris shot the intruder in the leg.  Police arrived and took the thief to an area hospital.

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Rob Third story-  An 80 year old man stopped a three person crime spree.  Fortunately, the old man was armed, but what would you expect since this happened in West Virginia.  Hours earlier, two of the masked thugs held a 31 year old man at gunpoint.  They beat the victim’s face with the gun and also kicked him in the head when he fell.  They took his cellphone.  That victim is still in the hospital.

Within hours, the two thugs had a female accomplice.  The young woman knocked on the old man’s door and said she needed help and needed to use his phone.  The two young thugs pushed into the home after the old man opened the door.  They held the old man at gunpoint.

The old man was armed and shot both of the intruders.  One ran from the home and died at the scene.  The second thug was shot in the leg.  He was arrested by police and taken to a local hospital for treatment.  The female accomplice was also arrested.

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Rob Exit- That wraps up this episode. Amber, where can our listeners find out more about you?

Amber Kunau- They can contact me Instructor Amber K on Facebook.

Rob- That reminds me.  Please give us a review on Itunes.  I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 2 with Amber Kunau

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 2 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Amber Kunau.  Hi, Amber.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

 Amber- Our first example took place last month in Kentucky..

1.- Purse Carry in a Louisville, KY Parking Lot  A woman was sitting in her car in a parking garage in downtown Louisville, Kentucky.  A man approached her, presented a knife and demanded her money.  The woman reached into her purse as if she was going for her wallet.  She pulled her gun instead and shot the man.  The man ran a few blocks and then asked for help.  Bystanders called for EMTs and the woman called for police.  She was unhurt.  The attacker is in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

This took place at 6pm just after work, not at midnight.  We commented that thieves would try to grab a woman’s purse, so that means a thief could disarm you.

Amber Notes: Off body carry is not ideal, but happened to work out in this case.  She could have been easily disarmed had the thief taken the whole purse.  Better to carry in a purse than not at all,  Every situation is different. Can’t plan for every instance-do the best you can “improvise”.  What would have happened if she hadn’t had a gun? She could be dead, injured or she could be OK. 

Was she in fear for her life or did she just not want her purse stolen?

Purse stealing not a big deal BUT personal info, house keys stolen, ID with address could lead to other things. Shouldn’t be sitting in your car.  Situational awareness is a term I want you to familiarize with. Think about it, stay safe. Don’t become a victim. Common sense

2- Armed-Citizen Intervention:  What would you do if you saw another person being attacked?  Would you stand back, take pictures and be a good witness?  Does your answer change if the victim is a sheriff’s deputy in uniform and the attacker is going for the deputy’s gun?

Texas Deputy Dylan Dorris was have a very bad day.  The deputy responded to a problem at a gas station in Bastrop county.  It was almost 10 pm when the deputy stopped to talk to a man after reports of a man driving erratically with a child in the car.

The deputy stopped the car and the driver attacked the deputy, punching the deputy and reaching for his gun. An armed civilian saw the fight and stepped in to help.  

Scott Perkins yelled “Freeze!” as he pointed his concealed carry weapon at the suspect.  The suspect stopped fighting the deputy and ran.  The suspect was later arrested later by two deputies.  He was charged with  aggravated assault of a public servant, taking an officer’s weapon, evading arrest or detention with a vehicle, and driving while under the influence.

The deputy was hospitalized and released.  He said, “There are no words to explain it.  I’m alive today because of him.”  A sheriff’s spokesman said, “This is a situation where being a license to carry holder truly did save a life.”

Amber Notes: Give example of armed Sheriff Posse Member in Phoenix intervening in a suspect/police fight. Coma, almost died. Are you willing to risk your life? In this case it worked out but the alternative? Judgement call.  Better be prepared if you are going to get involved. You could become a hero or you could become seriously injured or die. Repeat to yourself I am not the police

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3-Georgia Home Invasion stopped with old rifle: A metro Atlanta man is very lucky he kept an old hunting rifle in his home.  28 year old Timo Hernandez had his mother in town for a visit. There was a knock at the front door as they sat down to eat dinner.  This is what Mr. Hernandez said happened next. “When I opened the door, these two guys stormed in with guns and started pistol-whipping me and took me to the ground.” The second intruder went after his mother, who was trying to escape. Quote “He started pistol whipping and kicking her in the side…He put a gun to my head.”

The son’s attacker demanded money and forced him through the house at gunpoint. They took him to a guest bedroom and threw him to the ground.  That is when Hernandez decided to fight back. His father’s old hunting rifle was stored in that guest room. Hernandez grabbed the rifle, and shot both men.  The thieves ran from the house.  The first one died on a neighbor’s lawn while the second attacker died in the hospital a few days later. 

Amber comments- What if they’d kept him out of that particular room?  Make sure your guns are easily accessible but safe if you have kids etc. Do you keep your guns loaded? There is no time to load a gun in an emergency.  NRA safety rules say keep gun unloaded.  Use common sense.

Rob-  I recommend keep at least ONE gun in your house loaded and easily accessible. Gun safe, biometric safe etc. Don’t open the door for strangers ever. Security door, layers of protection. Answer the door with your gun on you. Carry at home.

No such thing as a “one shot stop,” even from a rifle.  I’ve personally shot deer through the heart and lungs with a .308 Winchester, and still have it run 100 yards before going down.

Exit- Amber Kunau, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?
Amber Kunau- They can contact me Instructor Amber K on Facebook.
Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.