Episode 127 with Tony Simon

Are you safe at home, as you shop, and as you drive? What should you if your family is attacked? Rob and Tony analyze four new examples of armed defense. (20 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- I’m glad you found us and welcome to episode 127 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Tony Simon.

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working and shooting and.. diversity shoot, minute man challenge.

I noticed you had a problem with the last podcast.

Rob- Apple didn’t like one of the settings from our podcast host, so they shut us down until I changed the language setting from american english to “EN”.

Tony, how do you listen to the show?

Tony- I listen to it on.. my phone as I drive to work.

Rob- That is how most people listen. Please put us in your pocket every week, and give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Please leave a comment to tell us what you liked about the show.

Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Tony- We study several examples where gun owners survived a life threatening situation. Were they lucky, or did they have a plan? What should we do if we were in their place? Our first story took place last week in Millcreek, Utah.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you stop to buy a cup of coffee?  

You’re sitting in a coffee shop when a man comes in and starts yelling. He hits the employee behind the counter in the back of the head. She backs up, and her attacker hits her again and again. The other employees run away. The attacker then hits the woman with a metal crate from the counter. She falls to the floor and he starts kicking her.

You get up and yell at the attacker to stop. He rushes toward you. You have a concealed carry permit. You’re armed. You shoot the attacker once in the chest, and your attacker runs from the store. You wait there for police to arrive.

The police had to taze your attacker several times in order to arrest him. The injured employee said she remembers you, but never knew you were armed.

Tony- Crazy man on drugs and a repeat offender. He was running from the police when he ran into the coffee shop. In training we use real stories just like this to set up force on force and shooting problems.

Rob- No warning for the clerk.

Tony- Never expect a fair fight, bad guys looks for victims not for challenges. The defender was in his late 60s and the attacker was 37 years old. When you carry a firearm you should have really thought about the real choices that you have to make, like can I shoot an unarmed but dangerous attacker?

Rob- Is that enough disparity in physical size and strength to justify the use of lethal force?

Tony-We are not the police we have No duty to defend others. A concealed carry permit isn’t a badge and we need to know what our state laws are regarding lethal force. As responsible armed citizen we must decide if we would intervene to save another person’s life with deadly force. Can you live with yourself if this woman is beaten to death in front of you while you have the means to stop it from happening?

Rob- Duty to warn?

Tony- You don’t need to tell the bad guy that you have a gun or warn him in any way. At times it may not even be smart to warn him.  No duty to warn, but it does make your legal defense much easier because you can testify on your own behalf that the assailant tried to attack you.

Rob-  

Tony- As a armed citizen that has used his firearm in a confrontation you must call the police as soon as it is safe to do so. I have not read anywhere that the good guy called the police. He may have but we don’t know
Rob- Anything else?

Tony- That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Chesterfield County, Virginia.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?   

It is almost 10AM on a Saturday morning when you hear a crunching sound from your back door. Your whole house shakes. You go to see what is going on. A stranger kicks through your back door. You shout for him to stop. You’re armed. He enters your home and you shoot him. He runs away, and you call police.

The police find your robber on your front lawn. He was wounded in the foot. This was his second robbery and break in this morning.

Tony- 9am on Saturday morning isn’t the time most people think that a home invasion will take place. The back door was obviously locked because the intruder made noise breaking in. That gave the homeowner a warning that someone had breached their perimeter in other words kicked in their door.

Rob- Any duty to run away if someone breaks into your home?

Tony- Virginia case law assumes that someone breaking into your house is there to hurt you. These stories are never clear about where the good guy gets their gun. We need to ask ourselves, where would our defensive firearm be at 9am on a Saturday morning? If its not on your body could you get to it if you had to fight off a 19 year old attacker? But I want to ask another question. Where did this gun appear from? Was he carrying? Was it in his bedroom and he had to get it and run to the back of the house?

Rob- The article doesn’t say.

Tony- Marksmanship, the ability to put rounds where they need to go is very important for the armed citizen. We are good guys and responsible for every round we fire. The homeowner shot this guy in the foot! I am going to go out on a limb here and say that shot placement was unintentional. POGO, and practice so you can quickly shoot center of someone’s chest from 5 yards. You want your shot to physically stop a threat not leave it up to the bad guy to decide if he keeps attacking you or runs away.

Rob- Why is that?

Tony- A gun is lethal force. That is only justified if you face a lethal threat. I can’t say this enough, take a class that covers the use of deadly force where you live. We are good guys and we always want to make sure we are following the law. If it isn’t a lethal threat, then it isn’t a gun problem and you should run away or use other tools. If it is a lethal threat, then stop the threat immediately.

Tony- f you can get away form a deadly threat do so but if you have family that can’t leave then you must defend them also.You might be able to run away. You can’t do that if you have a family to protect.

Our third story happened last week near New Haven, Connecticut.

Rob- First this message from my friends at Armed Lutheran Radio.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re sitting in your car?

It is 10pm, and you’re sitting in your car waiting for your cousin. You see your cousin walk out of his house. A stranger walks past him, and you hear them shout. You get out of the car, and the stranger stabs you. You are a registered gun owner. You also have your carry permit. You’re armed. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker.

You call police.

Tony- Police say the attack was unprovoked. This happens more than people think. The world has some mentally disturbed people that are very dangerous to those around them.

Rob- Justified? He has a knife and you have a gun.

Tony- A knife is deadly force. A knife attack is very dangerous especially a unprovoked knife attack because many people think that they got punched and don’t know that they have been stabbed. Stab wounds are much more deadly and you may be unaware that you are in a stabbing not a fistfight.  You’re allowed to use any tool if you face a lethal threat. You don’t have to fight fair, in fact, fighting fair is a horrible strategy.

Tony- After being stabbed the armed citizen drew his gun from concealment, fired one round, hit the bad guy in the chest and stopped the attack immediately. Good shooting. One shot and that ended the attack.

Rob- So the victim was stabbed, then he drew his gun from under his shirt, and shot the attacker.

Tony- That sounds difficult, but I train ordinary people to do that in our classes.

Rob- How would I learn to do that?

Tony- We teach the firearms portion and we bring in experts to cover both medical and police interaction.

Step at a time.

I teach firearms safety so you are safe as you handle your gun.

Basic marksmanship, so you can consistently manipulate a gun and hit your target.

Concealed carry, so you can draw from under your clothing and stop an attack.


Ask for the police and medical attention.

Say that you’ll help the investigators after you talk to your lawyer. That is exactly what the police are told to say if they are involved in a shooting. If it is good enough for them, then it is good enough for you.

That said, if you’ve thought about what to say, then you can point out evidence..like the bloody knife in the bushes where your attacker dropped it.

Rob- Do you talk about that with your students?

Rob- Let’s go on to our fourth story.

Tony- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and asked for a fourth story. If you like more stories, then let us know. If you want a shorter podcast, then let us know that as well.

Tony- Our forth story took place in Colorado Springs.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed when you’re at home late at night?

You hear your wife scream. A strange is trying to get into your home. It is after dinner. You hear your wife run upstairs. You grab your pistol and run down stairs to see what is going on. A stranger comes through the back hallway and attacks you. You shoot him. The attacker runs outside. Your wife has already called police.

The police have to taze your attacker several times to get him into handcuffs.  EMTs transport the 20 year old attacker to the hospital.

Tony- Have a plan. During a home invasion isn’t the time to say “ OMG, what am I going to do?” You are already a victim and time isn’t on your side. A plan adds time. You can react much quicker if you have a plan because you can implement it immediately. My wife screams “Someone is breaking into the house!!” I know what I’m doing next. I fact I’ve practiced and trained for that very emergency.

Tony- Lock your doors. ‘Of course I lock my doors” says everyone. I’ve been a locksmith since the early 90’s and have tons of stories of bad guy walking into homes through unlocked doors.

Tony- Stay upstairs. Searching for a bad guy we call that clearing a structure isn’t something that you want to do at all much less alone. If your family is secure upstairs don’t risk getting ambushed downstairs by one or more people. If you are hidden at the top of the stairs, the bad guy has to come to you and the only way is up the stairs. You have the advantage of surprise and knowing where they will appear.

Tony- Have your defensive tools with you. POGO

Tony- Call the police and ask for help ASAP. Have a safe room. It doesn’t have to be anything elaborate. A solid door, a deadbolt, a phone that you have on you to call for help.

Maybe you won’t have to kill someone if you’re locked into your upstairs bedroom while the police tackle the idiot downstairs.

Talk with an instructor and figure out what to say to the police. Everything is recorded and will be used against you.
Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- Tony- My website is Diversityshoot.com You can find me on Instagram and facebook at Simon Says Train and The 2nd is For Everyone podcast.

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony- We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network at sdrn.us

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 126 with Jeff Street

Are you safe at home? What should you if your family is attacked? We discuss four new examples of armed defense.

Rob- Introduction- I’m glad you found us and welcome to episode 126 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Jeff Street.

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Gabe White’s pistol shooting solutions, Private Coaching, Shooting Matches, Scoot n Shoots, and We will have 6 GLOCKs to give away at our Everglades GLOCK Range Event.

Rob- Jeff, how do you listen to the show?

Jeff– I listen to it on my iphone utilizing the Downcast podcatcher app.

Rob- That is how most people listen. You have our podcast in your pocket every week. Please give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Jeff, would you introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Jeff- We study several examples where gun owners survived a life threatening situation. Were they lucky, or did they have a plan about what to do? What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Portland, Oregon.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you have a yard sale at your parents house?  

Your mom and dad are having a yard sale, and you said you’d stick around to help. Your mom saw someone stuffing clothing into her handbag. Your mom and dad asked her to stop that. Instead of returning the items, the stranger sprayed you mom and dad with pepper spray, and tried to stab your dad with a knife. You stepped inside and got the family shotgun. You pointed the shotgun at the attacker and told her to leave.

She saw the gun and ran.  You called police. The police said the young woman was lucky she was not shot and killed.

Jeff- 1st let’s look at avoidance.  We try to keep the pool of people who have been on our property or inside our home to a minimum.  In our neighborhood the nearby county park lets you rent a space once a month for a community yard sale.  They had no clue who would show up to their property.

This crazy woman looked normal in her mugshot photo.

I like this story because it’s the most likely defensive gun use scenario in that no shots were fired.  The scarry shotgun got the job done. You still need to call 911 as soon as possible so law enforcement can hear your side of the story 1st. This type of Defensive gun use rarely makes the news.

Of course we must add POGO pants on gun on.

Sounds like she had mental health issues.

The time while you went inside to get a gun could have cost your parents their lives.

Have a good plan. “We’ll get our gun.” might not work if it is hundreds of feet away while you’re out at your mailbox. You only have the tools that are within reach.

Jeff- Having a gun can stop the confrontation from escalating, so it would have been better if the family was armed with firearms on their bodies.

Rob- Do you talk to your students about what to do if someone in your family is attacked?

Rob- This took place at a yard sale. In your shooting classes, do you include targets that you don’t want to shoot?

Rob- What did our defender do correctly?

Jeff- Good restraint that the son tried verbal commands and did not shoot when he saw that the verbal commands worked. Good restrain in not following the attacker.

Rob- I’m imagining that someone tried to stab my dad. I can’t holster a shotgun, so I have to go back inside and put it away. I have the same problem with a handgun if I don’t have a holster. What do I do with the gun when I need two hands.

Next question is, can I stop the bleeding?

Jeff- That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Warsaw, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go out to eat at a restaurant? 

It is late. You’re getting ready to leave a restaurant when you hear an explosion from the parking lot. At first you wonder if a car crashed into the sign outside and blew up. You hear it again, and then one of the restaurant windows shatters. Some crazy guy is shooting at the place. People are jumping out of their chairs and diving for the floor.

You have your carry permit, You’re armed. You move so there isn’t anyone in front of you, and you shoot at the attacker. Now he drives away. Lots of people call police. Amazingly, no one inside the restaurant is seriously hurt.

The intoxicated attacker was upset about a game of pool. He was arrested and charged with armed criminal action, 1st degree assault, and unlawful possession of a weapon.

Jeff- The police had been called after the crazy guy made credible threats.  The police came took statements and left. Then the crazy guy shows up.

It looks like the attacker was shooting from inside his car.  So our citizen hero shot at the car which caused the attacker to flee in his car.  

Our citizen defender had to respond very quickly, yet he took the time to move to a position where he wouldn’t be endangering bystanders.

Rob- Most attacks are face to face. This one was at a distance.

Jeff- sometimes you can use verbal commands. I’m betting this man was drunk, so verbal commands would not have worked in this case.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Jeff- I noticed that the defender had innocent people near him and had to move in order to have a clear shot.

Rob- We don’t want to hurt innocent people. Do you talk with your students about moving with a gun?

Rob- Do they get to practice moving around a target, a simulated person, that they don’t want to shoot, they don’t even want to point their gun at an innocent person.

Jeff- good restraint in that the defender stopped when the attack stopped.

Jeff- medical training. Our third story happened last week outside of Wichita, Kansas.

Rob- First this message from my friends at the Second Amendment Foundation.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving your truck?

You’re driving along the street at 9 pm. A car pulls into the street right in front of you. You have to change lanes to keep from hitting the car. You pull back into the right lane and proceed on your way.  They car passes you, and then stops, blocking both lanes. The driver gets out of the car, walks up to your truck and demands money. You tell him to go away. The robber starts smashing windows of your truck.

You draw your firearm and shoot him. Now you call police.

You’re not charged. The robber’s family say he suffered from mental illness.

Jeff- our Defender was blocked in and couldn’t drive away. Once the window was broken our defender was in legitimate fear for his life.  Shooting the Crazy attacker was the only course left. Good thing he had his gun ready to use. The attacker died. Our defender probably had excellent shot placement.  The attacker may have seen the gun and still continued the attack. Well placed shots were the only answer. At this point we need immediate incapacitation.

mentioned in the previous story, that drunk people don’t respond to verbal commands. Crazy people don’t listen either.

Jeff- Again, no time to get a gun from home, or to go get ammunition and load it. By the time you recognize that you have a gun problem, you need your defensive tool right now.

Jeff- Drive away if you can.

Jeff- Use necessary force. It sounds like the victim stopped shooting when the attacker was no longer a threat.

Jeff- Call police. You want to identify yourself as the victim of a crime. Ask for police and EMTs.

Jeff- Call your lawyer.

Rob- Do we see attacks like this very often?

Jeff- There are thousands of attacks outside the home every day.

Rob- Let’s go on to our fourth story.

Jeff- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and asked for a fourth story. If you like more stories, then let us know. If you want a shorter podcast, then let us know that as well.

Jeff- Our fourth story happened last week in Racine, Wisconsin.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed as you get into your car to go to work?

You’re running a little late and getting ready to leave for work. You hear two kids scream from in front of your house. You look up and see two kids being attacked by a dog, and the dog is about as big as they are. You run to the street and the dog stops biting the two kids. Now the 80 pound pit bull lunges at you.

You have your carry permit. You’re armed. You draw and shoot the dog. Evidently it wasn’t a fatal wound, and the dog runs back to it yard. You shout for help to treat the kids. Then you holster your gun and call police and EMTs.

The EMT take the children to the hospital to treat the bite wounds on their legs and feet. The dog has bitten strangers before.

Jeff- our hero stopped the attack on the kids but then the dog came after him.   Its difficult to hit a small fast moving target. The problem that you or i find ourselves in may be one that requires a higher degree of technical skill.  That is why we continue to train.

That is why Wait. let me go inside and open my gun safe and then get my ammunition that I keep stored in a separate location, and then load my gun, and then run to the scene to help.

Rob- There wasn’t time for that.

Jeff- People are attacked in their home and outside their home. I’m proud of this man for moving toward the sound of the screams to protect the kids. I’m also glad he wasn’t bitten himself. It shows good planning that he had a gun to protect himself and the children. The news reports say the dog and the older child weighed about 80 pounds. They were walking to the school bus stop down the street.

Rob- It was safe every other day.

Jeff- Yes, but that doesn’t mean it will be safe today or tomorrow.

Rob- Do you talk about this with your students?

Rob- It isn’t easy to shoot a small moving target with other people around.

Jeff- And the defender only grazed the animal. That means the bullet stopped somewhere else. You might be shooting down at a concrete or asphalt surface, and a bullet can skip off and head down the street into your neighbor’s house.

Rob- You might not be able to back up because the kids are behind you. How do you train your students to handle these situations?

Jeff- Small steps. Safety, concealed carry, advanced problems.

We get to practice all kinds of unusual shots out at the range. Those are things you probably can’t do at your usual shooting range where you rent a stall and have someone standing  and shooting right next to you.

Put your gun away.

Call for help.

Treat the injured. Medical training and equipment.

Call 911

Talk to the police.

Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- Contact us at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. Leave a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

Jeff- We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network at sdrn.us

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 125 with Andee Reardon

Can you defend yourself and your customers at work? What should you do when the police arrive? We discuss four new examples of armed defense. (23 minute audio)

I’m glad you found us. Welcome to episode 125 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Andee Reardon.

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working and shooting and enjoying some outdoor activities here in Maine.

Rob- Andee, how do you listen to the show?

Andee– I listen to it on my phone while I drive

Rob- That is how most people listen. Please put us in your pocket every week, and give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Please leave a comment to tell us what you liked about the show.

Andee- A listener left us a message about one of our stories where a couple who went to buy a camera and got mugged. He asks how many times you have to let your girlfriend be punched before lethal force is justified. Alone, she would easily be justified to use lethal force to defend herself, but can she really claim disparity of force while you’re standing right there?

Further, my girlfriend is a former UFC fighter. Does that mean I would have been disallowed to employ a firearm completely until the attacker produces a weapon?

Andee- It’s really important to know the laws in your state.

Our first story took place last week in Columbia, South Carolina.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you work behind the counter?

It is time to close up, clean up the restaurant, and go home. You look up from behind the cash register to see a man dressed in black clothes. He has a black mask over his face. He also has a black gun in his hand, and the gun is pointed at you. The robber says to open the cash register. You and your co-worker open the drawer and step back.

The robber reaches over the counter to grab the cash. That is when your co-worker reaches across the counter and grabs the robbers gun. You are armed. You present your firearm and shoot the robber as the two men struggle.

Now your attacker lets go of his gun. You and your co-worker run into the back room, but then come back out because you’ve left your customers unguarded. The robber is lying at the front of your store and you call 911.

Andee- Great that the defender had a gun on his body.

Rob- He didn’t have enough time to go back into the office where some store owners keep their gun. HE had his gun on him when he needed it.

Andee- Exactly, and our defender waited his turn. He was legally justified to use his gun as soon as he saw the robber threaten people with a gun. It met the legal standard of a lethal and immediate threat. Drawing right then leads to a gunfight. You’d rather wait until you get to shoot them and they don’t get to shoot you.

Rob- So he waited until the robber was involved with his co-worker, and the co-worker didn’t have to win the wrestling match with the robber.

Andee- All our defender needed was a fraction of a second head start so he could shoot the attacker first. His co-worker gave him the time he needed to draw his gun without being shot.

Rob- Do you think they had a plan?

Andee- I think he thought about it before it happened. He recognized the opportunity the instant the robber had his attention on struggling for his gun.

Rob- Anything else?

Andee- I like that they retreated to safety rather than chasing the robber. I also like that they worried about the rest of the customers.

You want to honor the witnesses.

Rob- What does it mean to honor the witnesses?

Andee- Tell the customers to get back away from the attacker so they are safe. The attacker might have another gun or an accomplice. If you can, you want the customers and staff to stay at the restaurant. Ask them if they are hurt. Have them there for the police to interview.

Rob- is there more?

Andee- This attack happened in South Carolina, so you don’t need a permit to carry behind the counter of your business. It would be foolish to survive an attack at your store, and then be attacked as you took the money to the bank. South Carolina is a shall issue state, so anyone who is legally eligible to own a gun is eligible to take the training and get a carry permit.

Rob- Good point. Do many of your business owners have their carry permits?

Andee- A lot of my students are small business owners.

Rob- Do you teach them how to draw a gun from a concealed holster?

Andee- I do. I feel it’s important to train for any possible scenarios. I’m a big advocate of carrying on the body, but that’s not enough. You need that muscle memory that comes from practicing your draw and firing on the range.

Our second story happened last week in Macon County, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story- Do you have a gun nearby when you’re asleep at home.

You hear someone inside your house. It is four in the morning. You roll out of bed and grab your gun. Before you can lock your bedroom door, the intruder is in your room and he’s pointing something at you.  It is a nail gun. You shout for him to leave.

Instead of leaving, the attacker drops the nail gun and draws a handgun from the waist of his pants. Now you shoot him. The attacker shoots back, but misses you. Your attacker falls down and you run from the room.  You call police.

The police say that the attacker used a ladder to get in an upstairs sliding glass door that was left open. The attacker was also carrying methamphetamine.

Andee- I talk about leaving doors and windows unlocked in my classes, it’s an intruder’s favorite way to enter- it’s easy and quiet. Balconies are often left unlocked because homeowners think they are hard to reach, ladders make it very accessible and often homeowners leave those outside. By securing your windows and doors, you’re creating an obstacle that an intruder can’t pass without making noise which will hopefully wake you. If you’re a sound sleeper, window and door alarms are fairly cheap and easy to install. Noise and time are your friend because they give you a chance to grab your gun and prepare.

Rob- The robber came in the bedroom and pointed a nail gun at the homeowner.

Andee- If you have your gun in your hand and are behind your bed, then you can yell at the robber to leave. A nail gun isn’t a lethal threat at that distance. A real firearm is a distance tool, and the homeowner defended himself when the robber drew a gun that presented an immediate and unavoidable threat.

Rob- So you have your gun pointed at the intruder. If they are at the other end of the house with a knife you can’t shoot them, but if they have a gun then you can?

Andee- and you should shoot because your life is being threatened right now, and if they are between you and the door then you can’t escape the threat.

Rob- Say that you’ve shot someone in your room. They fall down. What do you do now?

Andee- That is a hard question. You’d like to grab your phone and your clothes..but those might be back in the bedroom. Depending on where you live and the time of year, you might run out of the house to be safe.

Rob- Maybe run to a neighbor’s house and ask them to call the police?

Andee- Unless you live up here in Maine and it’s the wintertime. Everyone should make a plan ahead of time as to what they would do in different emergencies and let family members and people in the house know those plans also.

Rob- Do you talk about this with your students?

Andee- We talk a lot about planning ahead, muscle memory and how those thing are important when you’re under stress.

Our third story happened last week in Roanoke, Virginia.

Rob- First this message about my good friends at Gun Freedom Radio.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

It is three in the morning. You’re working at an all night gaming parlor. A stranger walks in, and before you know it, you hear a gunshot. Now the stranger yells for everyone to get down on the floor, and he fires his gun again.

You’re armed. You draw your gun and shoot the robber. He falls to the floor and drops his gun.

You take the criminal’s gun and call the police.

The police arrest the getaway driver.

Andee- I like that the defender was armed. Here is what I tell my students to do. First, if possible, take cover. Then shoot.

Rob- Why is that the first thing to do?

Andee- We want to cheat. We want to have the bad guy standing in the open and being a great big target, while we are hard to see, and even harder to shoot. It is pretty natural to drop behind a counter if you hear a loud noise.

Rob- Announcing yourself with a gun would make a lot of people jump, so everyone was probably moving and ducking down wouldn’t draw attention to you.

Andee- Again, honor the witnesses. Ask if they are hurt and need immediate help. Ask them to stay down, but to look around, see if anyone else is hurt or if there is anyone else with the attacker.

Rob- Should you disarm your attacker once they are down?

Andee- Yes, if you can do so safely. To protect others.

Call the police.

Give a short statement.

Clear lethal threat since the bad guy fired first.

Rob- lets go on to our forth story.

Andee- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and about 80 percent wanted a fourth story.

Andee- I deserve a pay raise. Our last story took place in Cleveland, Ohio.

Rob- Fourth story- Do you have a gun accessible when you’re asleep at home?

You’re pretty sure someone just broke into your house downstairs. It is 2:30 in the morning. You get out of bed and grab your shotgun. You listen, and there are sounds coming from the first floor. You walk to the top of the stairs and wait.

You see a man turn the corner. You shout, “I’ll shoot you.” The intruder runs away. You call police. The intruder broke your kitchen window to get inside.

Andee- See? A locked window is easier to hear! The homeowner heard the noise of the window being pried open with a screwdriver. The homeowner was 68 years old. He used his shotgun as his defense gun and kept it ready.

Rob- So he probably didn’t want to go hand to hand.

Andee- He did not go investigate. He waited in a position of advantage. (good view. Only one direction of approach. You’re behind the wall or the floor, and they are out in the open. They have to work extra hard to come up the stairs to get to you.)

Rob- Should the homeowner have turned on the lights and shouted that he was armed?

Andee- Turning on lights is usually an advantage to the intruder- You already know the layout of your home. A tactical flashlight can be very useful though to help you see and blind the intruder. The homeowner didn’t chase the intruder, he waited. Calling out to warn you have a gun is important in some states so know the laws in yours.

Rob- Does this sort of attack happen very often?

Andee- There are lots of home break-ins. About one out of 40 of us will be the victim of a burglary or property crime each year. About 6 thousand of us defend themselves with a firearm every day, but I don’t know how many of those are the result of a robbery when the victim is at home. Here in the US, would-be robbers tend to pick homes at a time when no one is there. That being said, as the drug problem increases, these break-ins while the homeowner is present are becoming more frequent.

Rob- Do your students practice what to do in this situation?

Andee- Follow your safety plan: Get your tools, defend. Call police. Put your gun away when the police arrive.

Let the police clear the house rather than you doing it in the dark.

Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- Find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name. EastCoastSOS_ar

Rob- We appreciate the feedback we’ve received on having four stories. Leave us a message with comments or questions on the podcast facebook page and we’ll answer them on the show.

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Rob- This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network at sdrn.us

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 132 with David Cole

Can you protect your family and your co-workers? How about treating the injured until help arrives? We have four new examples of armed defense.

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 123 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. I’m glad you found us. This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor David Cole.

Hi, David.  You took on a new discipline besides martial arts and handgun competition.

David- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been practicing with my new bow. It’s a whole new challenge.

Rob- and getting better. How do you listen to the show?

David- I’m sort of “old school”…I actually still use an iPod for almost all of my listening. Who’d have thought an iPod would be “retro”? The easiest way for most people is probably with their cell phone.

Rob- That is how most people listen. Please put us in your pocket and give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Please leave a comment to tell us what you liked about the show.

Now that we’ve talked about how to listen, tell our new listeners what to expect.

David- We’re going to look at several news stories about armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. They succeeded, but were they lucky, or did they have a good plan? What should we do if we were in their place, and how would we learn those new skills?

Our first story took place last week in Kissimmee, Florida

Rob- First story-  Do you have a way to defend yourself when you meet someone to buy a cellphone?

You want a new cell phone. You searched around and found a seller on Craigslist. You agree to meet at nearby store. It is daylight and there are people around, so it looks safe enough.

You meet the seller and ask to see the phone. He raises the price and raises his voice. He angrily demands to see the money.

You are carrying your handgun concealed. The buyer gets angrier and he tells you to give him all your money. He reaches for his belt.

You step back and draw your handgun. You fire as you run away. The robber gets in his car and drives away. You call police.

The police find the robber and take him to a local hospital. They take the robber’s gun as evidence. Police book your attacker for armed robbery.

This story sounds scary, but is it that unusual?

David- Citizens defend themselves with guns thousands of times a day. Most are assaults in public.

Rob- What is the first thing we should do to defend ourselves?

David- Think about your defense now, and where your risks are. Daylight in a public place may present less risk, but any encounter involving meeting a stranger to exchange cash is not risk-free. Don’t buy into the falsehood that “it’s a safe neighborhood,” or worse, “it can’t happen to me”.

Call your police department and ask them if they have a place with video cameras so people can safely buy and sell face to face. Most do, and it doesn’t cost you a thing to be safer tomorrow.

Rob- It sounds like our defender carried a gun on his body when he was attacked.

David- Have your defensive tools.  Have a permit, if required in your state…but don’t stop there. Learn how to present, and then practice it.

Rob- Someone who doesn’t have a gun can’t master self-defense this afternoon. What are the stepping stones to get there.

David- The best, first thing that anyone can do is incorporate awareness and good personal safety habits into their daily life. Read! (Jeff Cooper, David Fowler, Steve Tarani, Andrew Branca) And you don’t need a gun of your own to get started. Many ranges and schools have loaners or rentals you can use…and that might be the best way to learn which gun you might want to purchase. Then once you’ve made that decision, continue to train and practice.

That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Greenville, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you leave home and get in your car?   

You own a gun. You have your concealed carry permit. You put your gun on as you dress for the day. You’re walking out to your truck parked in the driveway. As you open the door to climb in you see someone come around the corner of your house. He is wearing dark clothes, a sweatshirt, a hat, and has a bandana over his face. He says something, but it is hard to understand him.He also has a gun in his hand. You’re not used to seeing a gun pointed at you, but it is clear you’re being robbed.

You move out of the way as your attacker fires at you. You draw your gun and fire at him. He runs away. You run back in the house and call police.

You are shaking with excitement, but you’re not hit. The police find the bullet holes in your truck and your house where the robber fired as he ran away.

David- Being both prepared and aware made the difference. Not only did our citizen have his defensive firearm on his person…where it should be!…he also had his head up and his eyes open. This allowed him to see the threat and react.

Rob- What would you tell a beginner to do?

David- Drop the keys and run.

Rob- What did our defender do correctly?

David- When the would-be robber decided he had urgent business elsewhere, our good guy let him go. Don’t chase the bad guys. A concealed carry license does not make us police officers; we carry to defend, not to apprehend. Take care of your own safety, and call the police.

Rob- Two interactions w the police. 911 and then with officers who arrive. What do you tell your students to do?

David- Be the first to call. I personally plan to give the dispatcher my physical description, and to let them know that I am licensed and armed. Do not have a gun in your hand when the police roll up…don’t assume that they know you are the good guy. Show them empty hands, and expect to be handcuffed until they sort things out.

Rob- What could our good guy have done better?

David- Practice shooting, because our good guy missed. A more committed robber may have pressed the attack, and misses don’t count.

Rob- Most people don’t practice that way when they go to  the range. They don’t practice as if their life depended on the first shot.

David-  Stepstones. Safety, routine handling, concealed carry, presentation and self-defense.

Rob- What else do you notice.
David- Well, I couldn’t help but notice that in the video interview of our good guy, he happily shows the interviewer his revolver…with his finger on the trigger. He won the day, but he could clearly use a bit more training. Shooting yourself is a less than ideal way to begin a gunfight.

Rob- Sounds like our defender has to go back to a firearms safety class.

David- We cover review that in every class. Our next story took place in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Rob- third story- Are you armed as you sit in your office?

A customer comes into your office. He needs some paperwork processed for a car he bought. The man seems upset and argues with one of the clerks who is trying to help him. Finally, the clerks ask him to leave. The customer says he is going to get a gun and come back and shoot up the place.

The two clerks in the front of the store step outside to see if the customer is coming back. The customer shoots at the two clerks.

That is when you get up from your desk. You are a gun owner. You have your carry permit and are armed. You shoot at the attacker and he runs. You call police and ask for EMTs to treat your injured friends.

The police ask if you know who attacked your co-workers. Of course you do since he gave you his name and address.

A K9 unit finds the attackers gun near the scene of the crime. Police arrest your attacker. He had a previous drug conviction. This time he is charged with two counts of assault, possession of a handgun by a convicted felon, wanton endangerment, tampering with physical evidence, trafficking a controlled substance, possession of a controlled substance.

David- The most important thing I learned during my time as a police officer is that there are no “Mayberrys”. There are truly bad, violent people in your world. There are career criminals who view you as simply an obstacle to what they want. They do not value life as we do, and have zero concern for you.

Rob- What should we do.

David- POGO. Be alert, be vigilant. Have defensive tools and the skills to use them.

At home. At the office. This was Kentucky, so you can get your CCW. You could carry as you go to lunch or to the bank…and not all businesses are “gun free zones.”

Rob- You could start to make your family safer today even if you won’t have your permit until tomorrow.

David- Kentucky has made it very easy to get a CCDW. After completing a 6-8 hour training class, you can apply either at your Sheriff’s office or online through the Kentucky State Police. The online process is extremely quick, and I have heard of people actually having their license in hand in less than 7 days from submitting their application. Easier to transport to your office with CCW, and a lot of states have “parking lot laws” which allow you to have your gun in your vehicle, even if they don’t let you carry in the office. With this, at least you are able to defend yourself to and from work. The good guy with a gun stopped an attack and saved his co-workers.

Rob- You gave us a plan to be armed. What should we do if this were our office?

David- Ask for help. Treat the injured. Call police. Go get a medical kit and training.

Rob- Did you see injured people as an LEO.

David- Absolutely. And in my current role in corporate security, one of the things I teach is a personal safety and self defense class. In it, one of the things I emphasize is having both the tools and training to care for yourself or others medically until help arrives. I want to keep my family alive until EMTs arrive.

Rob- Even the simplest story is complex. Let’s stop here and go on to our fourth story.

David- I noticed that we’re using four stories now.

Rob- Thank you for listening.

David- Our fourth story took place in Madison, Wisconsin.

Rob- Fourth story- Do you have a gun nearby as you get up out if bed in the middle of the night?

At first you’re not sure if you hear something or not. You listen, and now you’re sure. Someone is breaking into your house. You go to your gun safe and get your handgun. You see the intruder come in through the kitchen window. You shout for him to leave. He does, and in a hurry. Your wife calls the police. You both go check on the two children in the house. Police noticed where the robber cut through your window screens.

David- I like this family. Do you know why the homeowner heard the burglar prying open the window before the intruder got inside the house? He heard the burglar because the homeowner locked his doors. The burglar couldn’t walk in, he had to break in and make noise. Again, don’t assume you live in Mayberry…you don’t.

It starts out as a simple burglary…perhaps the criminal didn’t expect anyone to be home. The problem comes when a resident is home, and things become violent. Then it’s a robbery. A common bit of advice we hear is, “just give them what they want.” But it doesn’t always end there. Better to be armed.

Rob- There were young children in the home. I think they were 5 and 6 years old. How do you keep your gun so you can get it but your children can’t? Fast access safe?

David- The homeowner gave a good description of the intruder. So even though the story doesn’t mention a flashlight or if the homeowner turned on the lights, I think he did.

Rob- so even if I have a dusty gun up on a closet shelf, I should also have a flashlight next to it?

David- Don’t shoot at what you can’t see. It’s difficult to shoot accurately in the dark, and is extremely risky legally and morally. Don’t plan for it. Don’t do it. Plan for a light. Get a light, and practice with a light.

The suspect is described as a white man in his 20’s with an athletic/slender build. He has shoulder-length dirty blonde hair parted down the middle. He was wearing a gray zip-up hooded sweatshirt.

Rob- Did the homeowner have the right to point a gun at an intruder?

David- Yes, but you need to be able to articulate a threat.

Rob- Is there more?

David- Rob- That is enough for now. We’ll be back after this message from Faster Colorado.

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Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David Cole, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

David- My training website is Aegis Solutions  on Facebook, and I’m also at BlackManWithAGun.com

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

David-  We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network. Find the other shows at sdrn.us

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 122 with Elizabeth Hautman

Can you defend yourself at home, in public, at work, and as you drive? How will you protect your family when there is no time to think? You need a plan. Instructor Elizabeth Hautman brings us four new stories of self-defense. (25 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 122 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who are thinking about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own own. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have self defense instructor Elizabeth Hautman with us as co-host.

Hi, Elizabeth.  I know you’ve been teaching and advertising at summer fairs the last few weeks.

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working and shooting and I even got to watch the outhouse races.

Rob- Elizabeth, someone asked us how they can listen. Most people have an application on their cell phone that automatically loads each new episode. Please tell our new listeners what they have in their pocket.

Elizabeth- We’re going to look at several news stories about armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation, but were they lucky, or smart, or did they have a plan? What should we do if we were in their place, and how would we learn those new skills?

Our first story took place last week in Elmira, New York.

Rob- First story-  Do you have a gun nearby when your family is waking up early in the morning?  

It is Sunday morning, so you get to sleep in. You’re at home with your wife and four young children. You’re jolted awake when you hear a crashing sound from the front of your house. Someone kicked in your front door. You keep a shotgun in the corner. You grab your gun and walk toward the front of the house. A stranger is standing in your house and walks toward you. You shoot him once. Now he turns around. You stop shooting.

Your wife grabs the children and calls police. The intruder was a felon who served time for robbery.

Rob- This story sounds scary, but is it that unusual?

Elizabeth- Self defense thousands of times a day. Most are assaults in public, but many of them are inside your home or business.

Rob- What is the first thing we should do to defend ourselves?

Elizabeth- Have a plan to protect yourself and your family. That usually means you’ll want a gun as part of your plan.

Rob- You didn’t say, get your gun. You said the first thing to do is to make a plan.

Elizabeth- Once you’re attacked there is too much to do and no time to do it. That is why you want to talk about this and rehearse the possible scenarios ahead of time with your spouse..and later as they grow up, with your children.   Just like when I taught my children about fire drills. It is not to panic them but to equip them with the skills and knowledge to handle the situation. And every child is different, as the parent, you get to decide at what level and how much information that will educate your children but not scare them.

Rob- What comes first.

Elizabeth- If you had a fire then you’d wake up your family and get them out of the house. Then you’d grab a fire fighting tool like a fire extinguisher. If you had an intruder, you’d grab your defensive tool, your gun, and your spouse grabs the kids and then calls 911.

The man grabbed a gun and went to investigate, because it was not a door to door salesman knocking at the door, it was an intruder who kicked his way inside. Your family is in danger right now and protecting them comes first.

Rob- That means a lot, because I could waste a lot of time calling 911 when I needed to protect my family.

Elizabeth- It sounds like the adults worked together. Someone called the police before the intruder was shot. I imagine that was the wife making a call on her cell phone. That’s great. She updated the police after shots were fired and her family was safe. If you can, stay on the phone until the police arrive. That is hard to do as you take care of four children.

Rob- What do you recommend for home defense.

Elizabeth- This is what I tell my students. If you conceal carry, then use the tool you know best. That may be your handgun. If you’re a hunter who doesn’t carry a handgun every day, then again use the tool you’re most comfortable with.

Rob- What would you tell a stay at home mom or dad to carry?  This question comes up in my classes quite a bit.

Elizabeth- I want them to get a permit and carry all the time. Until then, carry on body at home. You say you’re a stay at home parent, but your out of the home a lot. You go to school, to the store, to the gym, to the mailbox or to a neighbor’s house. You might be working in the yard. I want you to have your defensive tool all the time, that means a handgun that is carried on your body.

You took driving lessons to drive a car. You’d take swimming lessons if you didn’t know how to swim, or take lessons to learn how to ride a horse or scuba dive. We aren’t born knowing those things. Take a class and learn how to use your defensive tool.

Rob- Do you give your students homework?

Elizabeth- I do. Sometimes I go to their home and we walk through it together.  Sometimes another pair of eyes can look at situations and floorplans in different ways.  I can also suggest tools to keep your firearm accessible and unavailable to unauthorized people – kids…

Rob- What sort of things are you looking for.

Elizabeth- Start with inexpensive fixes – trim hedges away from the house – eliminating dark hiding places for bad guys, proper lighting, possible timers with different schedules to turn lights on and off when you are not around – especially as fall approaches and it is getting dark earlier.  Deadbolts, gun safes,

Rob- Anything else?

Elizabeth- That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Redding, California.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you’re helping someone with their homework?   

You’re visiting your girlfriend. It is a weeknight and lots of people are in the house. Your girlfriend’s cousin is working on homework and you are helping her. You’re also holding a four month old infant in your arms. Two men start a loud argument, and the homeowner tells them to go outside. They go outside, but they keep fighting.

You walk outside and ask them to stop. One of the men attacks you as you’re holding the infant. He hits you in the face several times. The child slips from your arms, but you catch her before she hits the ground.

You own a gun. You have your concealed carry permit. You’re carrying concealed today. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker once in the chest. Now he stops hitting you.

You shout for other people to call police. You stay on the porch until the police arrive.

EMTs said your attacker was dead when they arrived. The police identified your attacker and said he was a registered sex offender and had a long record of crimes and run-ins with the law.

Elizabeth- This is important?

Rob- Why?

Elizabeth- Suppose someone who is my own size and strength hits me. That isn’t considered a lethal threat. I can backup, or run away, or hit back to protect myself.

If I have a child in my arms then I need to immediately stop the threat for the safety of the innocent child. Thank god this man had a gun.

Rob- I’m imagining that I was in this man’s situation. All I’m doing is visiting a friend. That sounds like a safe place, and then things turned violent in a fraction of a second.

Elizabeth- Right. If you knew it would get crazy, you wouldn’t go. In fact, everyone would leave. You’re helping a student with their math and then this man attacked you and you had to defend yourself and others.

Rob- This was a dangerous situation.

Elizabeth- It is a really hard problem. You’re getting hit in the face. You have an infant in your arms so you can’t put up your arms and defend yourself. You have to turn your body so your body is between you and your attacker. You have to pull up your shirt, grab your gun, point it at your attacker, and press the trigger. Try doing that with one one handed while you’re holding a child.

Rob- Great. Now we’re one of the few podcasts that give homework to our listeners.  But you’re right. I need to try that myself and see if I can do it and how long it takes me.

Elizabeth- me too.

Rob- What else do you notice.
Elizabeth- Our defender asked people to call the police. He stayed on the scene to give his story. If you’re safe, then don’t run away. Bad guys run away and good guys stay and talk to the police. Unfortunately, our good guy dropped the gun rather than put it back into his holster. I wish he’d listened to these stories so he would have known what to do.

Rob- Putting your gun back into the holster isn’t easy when your that excited.

Elizabeth- Again, that takes practice. I know that I would be really emotional if I just defended my life and shot someone. Now I’ve got a baby on the ground and a gun in my hand. If I didn’t have a plan to safely re-holster my gun, if I hadn’t practiced that motion time after time, then it is easy to imagine being overwhelmed in the moment. That is why it is so important to practice holstering your gun.  I teach my students to draw from their holsters efficiently and reholster reluctantly. This is where muscle memory comes into play.

Rob- So we have been practicing all along. Good for us.

Elizabeth- You’re not done yet. You can’t influence the witnesses, but you can ask them if they are hurt. Ask them to stay put so the EMTs can look at them, and then ask them to stay so they can tell the police what they saw. They are part of your defense that you did the right thing, and you want the police to talk to them and establish their statements as part of your record.

Rob- You didn’t commit a crime, but you’re already putting elements in place that will show you’re the good guy in a court of law. Do you talk to your students about that too?

Elizabeth- I tell everyone about that..even our listeners.   Our third story happened last week near Detroit, Michigan.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you open up your store first thing in the morning?

You work at a pawn shop. The store isn’t open yet, but you’re already getting ready for the day. There is equipment to repair. You’ll put construction tools out in front as workmen rent them for the day.  Before you get that done, there is a loud crash from the front of your store. You look into the front room to see a truck drive out of your store. He smashed a hole where your front door used to be. Now two men run inside and run to the gun counter. You shoot them. They run back outside, jump into their truck, and drive away.

You call the police and show them the surveillance videos.

Elizabeth- This is harder than it looks.

Rob- Why is that?

Elizabeth- If this break in were at my home then I’d be in my bedroom. The door is already locked. I’d grab my gun, point it at the door, and call the police.

I’d do the same thing if this were a clothing shop before it opened. Let them steal the money and the sox.

But this store had guns, and the thieves wanted the guns to commit more crimes. That is why gun-store employees go armed. They will kill you if you try to rob them.

Some states forbid you from protecting property. Some states allow you to defend yourself from any intruder. Michigan is a stand your ground state. The employee had no duty to run. That means that people who break into your home, your office or your store are assumed to be there to hurt you. You don’t have to get hit before you can defend yourself given that they have already smashed down the wall of your building.

That is the law. In general, don’t use your gun unless human life is at immediate risk.

Rob- That is a lot to think about.  In fact, it is too much for me to think about if it was happening to me. I’d have to plan what to do ahead of time.

Elizabeth- I talk to store owners. I train them and train with them. Safety is part of their business plan. They have their rules for them and their employees. Don’t go to war over the sox and snickers bars, but if employees are at risk of immediate serious harm, then they and you may and should use lethal force do protect human life. Think about it now.

Know your target and what is beyond..

Rob- How do your students learn about that?

Elizabeth- We talk about it a little, but there are excellent books and seminars on exactly that subject. (Which ones have you been to? NRA? Branka? McYoung? Kincaid?)

Rob-What else should we do in this situation.

Elizabeth- Don’t chase the bad guys. Make sure you’re safe. Once you’re sure you’re out of danger, then holster your gun and take a breath. Also, tell yourself a joke. Call the police. Call your lawyer. Wait for the police and give them a brief statement.

Rob- Even the simplest story is complex. Let’s stop here and go on to our fourth story.

Elizabeth- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left messages on the podcast facebook page. About 70 percent of the comments are in favor of a longer episode. Thank you, Leroy. If you like more stories, then let us know. If you want a shorter podcast, then tell us.

Elizabeth- Our fourth story took place in Winterhaven, Florida.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed as you drive for a ride-sharing company?

It is late at night. You’re driving for a ride sharing company. You get a call to drive someone home from a local bar. You’ve been there before. You identify yourself as you drive up. The lady matches her picture on the Uber account. She gets in and you start to drive her home. You’re on the highway when a pickup truck tries to run you off the road. You pull over to let him pass.

A truck driver stops and gets out of his truck. He runs toward your car and has something in his hands. The truck driver shouts, “You know I’ve got a pistol. You want me to f’ing shoot you!”

You own a gun. You have your concealed carry permit. You’re armed and carrying concealed right now. You draw your firearm and shoot your attacker as he reaches the door of your car.

You call 911 and provide emergency medical aid to your attacker.

Police said the driver thought you drove away from the bar with his girlfriend. You had never seen this passenger before this ride, and the truck driver’s girlfriend was back at the bar.

The police believe the truck driver may have been intoxicated and are waiting for medical reports on drugs and alcohol from the state medical examiner.

Elizabeth- This is a good story. I’m glad the driver had the means to protect himself and his passenger.

Rob- What do you see?

Elizabeth- Most of the attackers in assault cases are intoxicated on either drugs or alcohol. That is true for both robberies and fights at the local bar.

Rob- So you’re saying that the attacker’s story doesn’t have to make sense.

Elizabeth- Sometimes the crazy person is out to get you for no reason. That means you can’t always talk your way out of a problem. Yes, you should deescalate a situation if you can, but sometimes you can’t.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

Elizabeth- Be the innocent good guy. You can defend yourself because you didn’t do anything wrong. You lose that legal presumption of innocence if you threaten someone in a bar. You lose that innocence if you try to run someone off the road in a road-rage incident. If you do, then you lose the right of self-defense.

Rob- There is a lot to learn as you carry a gun for self-defense.

Elizabeth- But you can learn it. Not in one day, but you didn’t learn to drive in one day. It took a lot of practice before you could drive anywhere, day or night. Like learning to drive, there might be situations where you wouldn’t carry your gun yet because you feel you don’t have enough experience. That voice of concern you hear might be your good judgement trying to give you a message. Keep learning.

Rob- Is there more?

Elizabeth- Rob- That is enough for now. We’ll be back after this message from Buckeye Firearms Foundation

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Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth Hautman, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Elizabeth- Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

Elizabeth-  We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 121 with Ben Branam

Can you defend yourself at your office, as you drive, at home and where you work? Instructor Ben Branam brings us three new stories of self-defense. (23 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 121 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already a firearm.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have self defense instructor Ben Branam with us as co-host.

Hi, Ben.  I know you’ve been working on physical conditioning as well as shooting in the last few weeks.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working out and shooting..and my website was hacked by a shoe store.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Ben- We will study several examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation, but were they lucky, or did they do the right thing? Our first story took place last week in Princess Anne, Maryland.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  

You own and operate a pharmacy. You ate lunch and are working in your office on some paperwork. You hear shouts from the front of the store. You step out of your office to see two large men wearing ski masks over their faces. They have a rifle pointed at your employees and your customers at the check-out line. You grab your handgun out of your drawer and shoot at the robbers. They run. None of your employees or customers were hurt.

Ben- The pharmacist had a gun.  Good for him.

Rob- Both of the robbers were over six feet tall, and they had a rifle.

Ben- The attackers had an preponderance of force. There were two of them and only one armed defender. They told people to get down on the ground. They posed a lethal threat with their rifle. That is why lethal force was justified, and necessary, to save innocent lives.

Rob- You need to recognize the situation when you see it. You can ask yourself, if I see this, am I justified in protecting myself and others.

Ben- Our good guy had thought that part through. He did not think about his self-defense enough. He did NOT carry a gun on his body. He had his gun in a drawer in his back office. That means he was  lucky to be in his office when the attack happened. If he had been at the drug counter.. A place where he spends a lot of time each day.. then the thieves could have taken the money, the drugs, the gun, and perhaps their lives as well.

Rob- Is this a common crime and a common response?

Ben- The bad news is that people are robbed tens of thousands of times a day. The good news is that we defend ourselves with a gun, in situations just like this, thousands of times a day.

Rob- You’ve trained small business owners. What do you tell them to do?

Ben- The pharmacist recognized a problem. He faced a lethal threat and he acted. He shot at his attackers. When it is time to press the trigger, opening your mouth and talking makes it much more likely that you’re going to get shot.

Rob- he understood that this could happen to him.

Ben- Right. I’m betting that either he was robbed before, or someone he knew was robbed. Most people don’t listen to this podcast, so they don’t know.

In this case, there were three gang members who came in to do harm. That is why I want all the adult staff to be armed, not just the sore owner. There were times when the pharmacist wasn’t at his desk with his gun. He might go out for lunch. He might run to the bank or go to the post office box. He might be in the back of the store accepting a shipment that was being delivered. That means he won’t be there to protect his staff.

I want the assistant pharmacist armed because they are at risk.

I want the cashire and the stocking clerk armed because they are at risk.

Rob- The pharmacist missed his attackers when he shot at them.

Ben- A gun is not a magic wand. You have to practice until your first shot hits your target.

Another good thing that the pharmacist did is he did not chase after the robbers. I want you to stay behind a wall so you don’t give that bad guys a target to shot at.

Also, there was a getaway driver waiting for the criminals to come out. You don’t want to run out the door and get shot by their accomplice. So, good job there. The police arrested all three of the bad guys and they are now in jail.

Rob- Anything else?

Ben- That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Old Iron Town, Utah.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?   

You’ve finished lunch and are at home with your spouse. You’re both retired and have some disabilities. You hear a crash from the front of your house. A naked man broke through your front door. You shout at him to get out. You also grab your gun. The stranger walks toward your spouse and you shoot the intruder. Now the intruder turns around and leaves.

You call police.

Police find the intruder sitting in front of your house. He fights with the police and has to be tazed several times.

Ben- This is the carry your gun on you all the time episode.

Rob- How so?

Ben- Suppose you and your spouse were on opposite sides of the house when the intruder breaks in. You might have to fight your way to your gun while your spouse is being attacked, and then get back to the fight while the attacker is now holding your spouse. That’s a very hard problem to solve. That is a nightmare. You’re in your 60s or 70s and a 24 year old man is beating up your wife or your husband.

Suppose you were watching your grandkids that day. Maybe then you can’t get to your gun and you all become victims. Let’s plan ahead so we face a problem we can solve.

Rob- Lots of people imagine they will have time to get their gun.

Ben- We’ve asked our listeners to find out for themselves. If you have a gun in the other end of the house, have a friend start clapping slowly. As they clap, you have to go to your gun and then come back to your friend. Each clap was a time your friend was hit by an attacker. Do you want to wait that long? I don’t.

Rob- Wow.

Ben- Again, our good guys used verbal commands. “Get out of here.” and then they used self-defense when those commands didn’t work. Good job. Again, they called police and did not chase the crazy naked man. Leave that for the cops.

Rob- I noticed that both our first story and our second story took place in the middle of the afternoon.

Ben- Our third story happened last week outside of Pittsburg, Pennsylvania.

Rob- Fist this message from Doctors for responsible gun ownership.

Ben- Hey, I know them.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving?

You delivered food to an address after midnight. You’re walking back to your car when a stranger comes out of the darkness.

The stranger has a knife and demands your money and keys. He stabs you. You retreat to your car and grab your gun. You shoot your attacker. Now he stops attacking you.

Neighbors come outside and call police. You’re taken to the hospital for stab wounds to your back, shoulder, and head.

Ben- I just talked about being able to save your friend because you had your gun on you. The friend you save might be yourself. Good that our defender had a gun. Better if he had it on his body so he could get it when he needed it. This happened in Pennsylvania, so the driver could have a concealed carry permit and carry in public.

Rob- I bet he will once his wounds heal.

Ben- Yeah, but some wounds don’t heal. I want us to learn from his situation rather than wait until it happens to us or someone in our family.

And another thing, wearing a holster gives you a place to put your gun after you’ve defended yourself. The police won’t try to stop your bleeding until they have your gun put away. Witnesses are also reluctant to help you when you have a gun in your hands. Wear a holster if you can. We can show you how to use it. Honest. Millions of people carry concealed today..but you don’t see them..because, well, its concealed.

Rob- Yeah. We don’t advertise. Let’s go on to our fourth story.

Ben- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and asked for a fourth story. If you like more stories, then let us know. If you want a shorter podcast, then let us know that as well.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed when you’re working construction outside?

You and your partner are working to repair an underground cable. It is an emergency repair and it is late at night. You’re both standing at the bottom of an excavated hole. Two strangers walk up to your work site. They point their gun at you and demand your money and your tools.

You draw your gun and shoot the robbers. They run away. You call police. They find one of the injured robbers at the end of the street.

Ben- I’m so glad he had a gun because it is really scary to have people pointing a gun at you when you’re down in a hole and can’t run away.

A gunfight is when the bad guys shoot at you and you shoot back. You don’t want to be in a gunfight. Good tactics mean you get a turn to shoot and they don’t. Use good tactics so you’re involved in a shooting where you stop the threat and they don’t get a chance to shoot you.

Rob- How do we change a gunfight into a shooting?

Ben- I’ve worked construction. You’re wearing a tool belt. You have keys and wallets and guns in your pockets. Just like at home when you undress, it takes time to pull all that out and complete the pocket dump.

Wait until the robber is watching your partner or reaching down for your wallet before you reach for your gun. In fact, the robber won’t recognize when you’re reaching for your gun because he expects you to be reaching into your pocket for your wallet.

“Easy, man. Here are the keys, and phone, and wallet. Take ‘em.”

Rob- So wait your turn.

Ben- Know how much time you need to present your gun and take a shot. Act when you see that opportunity. That said, don’t hesitate. You’re looking at a person who threatened to kill you. Don’t talk when it is time to press the trigger.

The good news is that you’re in a hole and under cover. That means that you’re hard to shoot once the bad guys step back a few feet. I like that a lot.

Once you defend yourself, grab your cell phone and call the police. Don’t jump out of the hole and chase the bad guys. You did a good job and didn’t get shot so far, now don’t go and spoil your good work.

Speaking from experience, you probably have to get out of the hole and get a drink of water and pee after the attack. If the scene is safe, then put your gun away and stay there until the police arrive.

Rob- We’ll be back after this message from the Second Amendment Foundation.

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Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- Look for me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Let us know what you think by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

Ben-  We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 120 with Amanda Suffecool

Can you protect your family at home and in your car? Firearms instructor Amanda Suffecool brings us three new stories of self-defense. (15 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 120 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Amanda Suffecool with us as co-host.

Hi, Amanda. How have you been?

Amanda- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been taking a short break from all things guns, to focus on my second life.  Aerospace engineering. But – thankfully – I am done with that, and now engaged in several cool things.   Nationally syndicated our Radio Show- Stay tuned for more news in September.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Amanda- We’ll study three recent examples of armed defense.  These armed citizens survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Republic, Washington.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you drive?  

You’re driving down the street. You’re 20 miles from the canadian border and there are less than two dozen streets in the entire town. It’s usually a quiet place. You’re parking in front of a clothing store when a stranger jumps through the open passenger window of your car. He shouts for you to get out of your car.

You own a gun. You have your concealed carry license. You’ve practiced with your firearm and you’re armed this morning as you drive.

The article does not say if you drew your gun while you were inside the car or outside, but you present your gun and order the robber to the ground. You tell him not to move. Police arrest the robber for multiple break ins he committed that morning.

The police facebook page described the event this way. “Crimes happen and they happen in the blink of an eye usually when you least expect them, even in small towns like Republic. I encourage the free exercise of our inalienable rights. If you go about your day unarmed and helpless, you are a victim waiting for a crime to happen. YOU are responsible for your protection, the police, even as hard as we try, usually only arrive after the crime.

“Get a gun, take a class and refuse to be a victim.

“Thank you to everyone who helps the police, we are you.”

Amanda- Most of us leave our gun up on the shelf and yet we carry this fantasy that we can use it for defense.

Rob- We pretend we’re armed at home, and that we don’t need a gun when we’re in our car. So you want me to go armed as I drive to the store?

Amanda- Rob, I know you think you’re special, but you’re special just like the rest of us. Yes, carry your gun. Even you, and even when you’re driving in your car. Make your firearms instructor proud of you.

Rob- Defending yourself inside your car is hard. Most of us don’t have training to do it. And it’s very different from what I practice at the shooting range.

Amanda- A gun is a defensive tool that works best at a distance. We want to be far enough away from our attacker that we can stop the attack before the attacker can reach us with his hands. That is why it was a good choice to step out of the car and then draw your gun.

Rob- Our driver didn’t have much time to think.

Amanda- No, he didn’t. Criminals attack us without warning. That is why we talk about these stories now, so that we have a model in place of what we could do in a situation like this. There are over 6 thousand examples of armed self-defense every day, and each one is different. Each of these gun-owners adapted their plan to their situation.

Rob- What else did you see in this story?

Amanda- The defender gave verbal commands.

(command voice) Stop. Get back. Get on the ground. Stay there.

That tells the criminal what to do. It also attracts witnesses. They might not be eye witnesses, they might be ear-witnesses. They heard you tell the robber to stop the attack. If you have to shoot, then those loud, clear commands have already started your defense.

Rob- So that is why my instructor had me shout “STOP” when he had me practice drawing my gun?

Amanda- Exactly. We want to build that habit as we practice.

Another thing. It is really hard to hold someone at gunpoint and get on the phone at the same time. The local police appreciated that our defender detained the robber. Larger police departments would tell you to let the robber go and get on the phone. You want to do that so you identify yourself as the good guy. I suspect that the witnesses called police in this case.

Rob- Lets go on to our next story.

Amanda- Our second story happened last week in Forest City, North Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?

You hear the yelling and screaming. Your mom’s ex boyfriend threatened to cut your mom’s throat and to kill all of you. Now he’s choking your mom. Your older sister is trying to pull them apart and save your mom. It isn’t working. Your younger brother grabs your mom’s gun and runs toward the fight. Your brother is only 12 years old. You are 15, so you take the gun from your brother and shoot the attacker. Now he lets go of your mom.

Your family runs away and calls police. The police said your mom’s boyfriend was a convicted felon.

Amanda- Don’t date violent people.

Rob- Right

Amanda- Childproof your guns, and gun-proof your children.

Rob- Tell me more.

Amanda- This woman was terrorized by her violent boyfriend. She got a gun for self-defense. She should also have taken out a restraining order, or an order of protection. Even though it is only a piece of paper, it is an important step in your legal defense if you have to use force to defend yourself.

Rob- be hard to convict

Amanda- This is what I have to teach someone who was not a gun person and then they get a gun.

Storage.

Family training for safe handling

Personal defense

I’m glad her son could get to the gun. If your kids are old enough to be left alone then they are old enough to know about your firearms.

Rob- That is serious.

Amanda- Life and death. Our third story happened last week in Cool, California.

Rob- First this message

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home?  

It is after dark, and you hear someone knock at your door and call your name. It is your neighbors. All of them. The husband, the wife, and their child are asking to come in. You open the door. They said a crazy man broke into their home. They had already called police. You try to make them comfortable when your wife sees someone at your back door.

A stranger breaks through your screen porch and then breaks the glass in your back door. You yell for him to stop. He enters the home and you shoot him.

Now your attacker steps back outside the home. You and your family retreat and call police.

EMTs take the attacker to the hospital.

Amanda- This is the episode where second parties are armed. We had that in our first story too. It sounds like the intruder could have been intoxicated.

Rob- It is hard to reason with a crazy person.

Amanda- Do you have your gun on you right now?

Rob- Yes.

Amanda- Good. You don’t need a carry permit to go armed at home. You need a gun and to know how to use it

..and have a holster. A holster helps a lot.

Rob- Better yet if all four of the adults in this story were armed.

Amanda- That would have been good, and maybe that would have been enough to stop the attack without shots being fired.
I like that our defender stopped shooting when the attack stopped.

Rob- He did not chase the bad guy and keep shooting.

Amanda- At night? You don’t know how many people are outside your home. The crazy attacker may have had friends.

Our armed defender did the right thing. He moved his family and his neighbors to safety and called police. That identified the homeowner as the good guy, and he got help on the way.

Rob- Goodguys call police. Did the first family do the right thing to leave their home when they were attacked?

Amanda- If they didn’t have a tool to defend themselves, then they did the right thing. They ran to safety and called police. I’m glad their neighbor was able to protect them.

Exit-  Rob- And we’ve run out of time. Amanda, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Amanda- You can find me at eye on the target radio radio. I have two radio programs and I instruct on the weekends.

Rob- Don’t you have a concealed carry fashion show in the works?

Amanda-?  Yeah I do.  At GRPC – Gun Rights Policy Conference in Chicago put on by the 2nd Amendment Foundation.   It should be the kick off to a good 2A time.

Rob- Some listeners asked us to put out a longer show. Some like it short. Please tell us what you like by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amanda-   We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 119 with Tony Simon

Are you armed at home and in public? Firearms instructor Tony Simon brings us three new self-defense stories. (15 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 119 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Tony Simon with us as co-host.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been hosting the 2nd is For Everyone Diversity Shoot. The latest event was last Thursday at Gun For Hire range in Woodland Park NJ. We introduced a few new shooters to firearms.

Rob- Well done, and thank you. While you’re making introductions, please describe our podcast to our new listeners.

Tony- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’re not sure if you heard it or not. You wake up and hear something moving around in your house. You sit up and see someone in your bedroom. You grab your handgun and shoot at the intruder. He runs away. You call police. It is 3:30 in the morning.

Tony-  That’s scary.

Rob- and it happens every day. You’re a locksmith. How many of your customers call you after an event like this and want better locks?

Lock your doors. Many thieves creep around neighborhoods checking homes and cars to see if they’re locked. When they find an open door they go in and steal what they can.

Rob- Why?

Tony-  Locked doors and alarms will buy you time. The thief arrives with a plan. You need to me to put your plan in place.

Alarms should be a part of your home’s layered security. After 25 years of being a locksmith I can tell you many homeowners never hear the breaking glass or a kicked in door that indicates a home invasion.Alarms make you aware of your outer security being breached.

It can also get authorities responding to your home alarm even if you can’t call them yourself. Alams can also scare off intruders.

Rob- What do you think of the do it yourself security systems that link to your PC and your phone?

Tony- Also, I want you to have a flashlight. You have to identify what goes bump in the night. Too many people are injured or killed because of misidentification by armed homeowners. It’s tragic and avoidable.

Rob- Learn from other people’s mistakes, and please practice with your light since most attacks are after dark.

Tony- Great that he had a gun with him. The no one was hurt but at bedroom distance the homeowner missed the bad guy. You don’t get to choose when you use your firearm. Be accurate enough to hit what you are shooting at, you are responsible for every round you fire.

Rob- I can see two reasons he might have missed the intruder. One is stress. The other is that it is hard to see your sights in the dark.

Talk to me about the training steps we’d want our students to have before the meet a stranger in the dark.

Tony- Firearms safety. Safe storage. Load and unload your gun.

On-body carry and presentation.

Target practice.

Moving with a gun.

Training will overcome stress. We already talked about practicing with your flashlight.

Our second story happened last week in Titusville, Florida.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at the park?   You’re walking across the park. In front of you is a rally where a community group is giving away free school supplies to poor kids. You see a guy run up and pull a gun from his pants. This guy starts shooting into the crowd. You see people run. Now the attacker tracks some of the people in the crowd. You draw your gun and shoot the attacker.

You have your carry permit. You holster your gun and wait for police. EMTs take the attacker to the hospital.

Tony-  The video from this has been all over social media. Thank God that hero was there to stop the potential massacre. I think it raises an important question for all people regardless of whether they carry a weapon for self defense. Do you get involved or do you get yourself and your family to safety?

Rob- Talk about that. What should I consider if I’m there with my family, and if I’m there alone?

Tony- As an armed self defender you need to have the ability to hit your target and stop them immediately. We also don’t want to hit innocent bystanders.

Rob- Moving headshot in a crowd.

Talk to me about a “cold test.”

Tony- The “cold test” is going to the range, setting your target at a distance you feel you can hit your target effectively and firing your first shot on target. You can choose drawing from concealment or not. The result tells us what you are capable of at that time.

Training doesn’t have to be a lifestyle but you must learn the fundamentals and be able to apply them at anytime. You should also learn your limitations with your firearm. At what distance can you hit at target effectively? 10 effective shots consecutively on target was one standard that I’ve given myself.  

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Litchfield, Texas.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you arrive home?  

You pull up to your house you notice your neighbor being attacked by a man with a knife. You step out of your car. She is screaming and trying to get her two children out of the carseats in the back of her automobile. Her boyfriend was trying to help her, but an attacker was cutting them both with a knife and trying to take the car.

You draw your gun and step between the car and the attacker. Now the attacker runs across the street. You call police.

When the police finally get there, the assailant drops the knife and attacks the police.

Tony-  Another hero steps in and saves a family. The news story stated that no one was injured which is great.

Rob- And hard to believe given that the attacker had a knife.

Tony-  The only thing that I find concerning was the gun owner placing himself between the knife wielding attacker and the car. Distance is your friend and armed with a firearm. The more distance and objects you put between yourself and the knife the more the results are tipped in your favor.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?

Tony- Get on the other side of the car or anything that would require you bad guy to run around to get to you. That gives the defender more time to put rounds on the bad guy and reduce the chances of get stabbed.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- My website is Diversityshoot.com You can find me on Instagram and facebook at Simon Says Train and The 2nd is For Everyone podcast.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 118 with Andee Reardon

Are you armed at home and at work? Firearms instructor Andee Reardon brings us three new self-defense stories. (13 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 118 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Andee Reardon with us as co-host.

Hi, Andee.  How have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been teaching and training. Over the weekend I was at the Women Who Shoot retreat here in Maine. We had an awesome group of women who came and we had a blast shooting together.

And you?

Rob- I went to a three day training course for school teachers. Defending kids is deadly serious business and there is a lot to learn.

Andee- I love it! I hope more schools begin to do this and become open to the thought of arming teachers and staff.

Rob- Andee, please let our new listeners know what they’ll learn here.

Andee- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. Were they lucky, or were they well trained? What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Triadelphia, West Virginia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re behind the bar at the First and Last Shot Cantina. It is after midnight when you look up to see a stranger walk through the door. This stranger has a gun in his hands. You draw your handgun and point it at the robber. The robber turns and runs. You don’t shoot, but you do call police. Police dogs tracked the robber back to his car, but the robber wasn’t there.

Andee- on body or behind the counter? The story doesn’t say but I like to think he was carrying on body. You never know when you’ll need your pistol and the last thing you want is for it to be out of reach.

Rob- What would have happened if you were at the other end of the bar serving customers when a man walks in and presents a gun. Now the robber gets both the money AND your gun.

Andee- Please carry on body if you can. There are so many options for holsters out there, there aren’t many reasons not to carry on your person.

Andee- Sometimes just having a gun and being confident that you know how to use it is enough. The bartender quickly changed the scene when he drew his gun causing the robber to flee. I’m a firm believer that you shouldn’t carry unless you are prepared to shoot but often that isn’t even necessary..

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?

It is late at night and you’re getting ready for bed. You hear someone knock on  your front door. Then they ring the bell. They are banging on the door really hard, so  you look out the window. You see a strange man sitting in a car in your driveway and a strange woman beating on your door.

You grab the shotgun that you and your husband keep for defense. The strange woman walked around to the side of the house and began trying to open your side door. The intruder breaks the glass and you walk around the corner with your shotgun leveled at her.  The intruder sees you and your gun. Her hands go up in the air, she turns around and walk back to the car. Both the burglar and her getaway driver head down the road. You call police.

Andee- It’s so important to be armed at home with a gun and a plan. This women never had to fire a shot. She showed she was armed and willing to protect herself and that was enough for the would-be robbers. Criminals often work together. I’m glad the homeowner didn’t just open the door because she saw a woman outside. She looked around and noticed the man waiting in the vehicle parked outside.

Andee- What if the gun was on the other side of the house so the homeowner had to fight her way to her shotgun? Keeping your firearm accessible is important and if you don’t carry in your home, make sure you have staged weapons where you can easily grab one if needed.

Andee- Something I did notice that I wanted to point out was the homeowner put the barrel of the shotgun through the window. This is something you don’t want to do, it would give the intruders a chance to grab the gun and take it from her. Always keep that “reactionary gap” open so you have time and space to react to what is going on. Luckily everything went well for the homeowner and she is safe thanks, to owning a firearm.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Phenix City, Alabama.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re restocking the refrigerator case at a convenience store. It is 11 at night and a customer comes in with a gun in his hands. He tells you to give him the money in the register. That is exactly what you do.

Next, the robber tells you to get down on your knees and the robber puts a gun in your face. The robber turns away to grab some cigarettes. You grab your gun and shoot the robber three times in the chest. Then you call police. They transport the robber to the hospital and take the robber’s gun.

News reports said your gun was a 45.

Andee- This is another case showing why on the body carry is so important. The store clerk most likely wouldn’t have had a good opportunity to draw his gun had it not been on his body. He waited for the right moment to draw, when the suspect was distracted with grabbing some cigarettes. If someone has a gun aimed right at you and you try to draw, chances are you’ll be shot. Keep calm and wait for the right moment.

Andee- wait your turn.

Andee- Something I really took from this story was the clerk did not want to harm the man but was given a choice of shooting or the possibility of losing his own life. The media often portrays gun owners as bloodthirsty people who wish for the opportunity to use their gun. This man’s testimony shows he did not want to shoot and he even prayed for the man he shot, hoping he would be ok.

Exit-  Rob- And that wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 117 with Jeff Street

Are you armed at home and on the street? Can you protect those you love? Firearms instructor Jeff Street brings us three new stories. (13 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 117 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Jeff Street with us as co-host.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy training, both indoors, and outdoor is in the south florida heat.  Wow.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Jeff- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

We Get a lot of time to think about these stories before we comment on them.  Our listeners need to think about their daily lives and what possible problems they might encounter.  

Our first story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home at night?  

It is after dark. You hear your wife scream from outside your house. You walk to the windows and see two men grabbing your wife and pushing her towards the front door. You grab your handgun and step outside. The robbers shoot at you. You shoot them. Now they run.

One of the suspects was arrested at the hospital. Both you and your wife are uninjured, but badly shaken.

Jeff- great that he had a gun

Rob- two robbers versus you and your wife. I don’t like those odds.

Jeff- Home invasion method that defeats Locks and Alarms. Situational Awareness Levels, P.O.G.O. What door do you exit from to confront the attackers? Exchange of Fire hostage shot, Difficulty of your problem, Moving Targets, Skills needed, skills tested

Jeff- It isn’t clear if the man was armed, or if he had to go get his gun. If you have your gun up in a closet, then time yourself to see how long it takes you to get it. Start at your front door, go get your gun, load it, and then get back to the front door.

Rob- ccw vs sniper shot

Jeff- He shot the attacker in the head..at night

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive your car?   

You are driving for a ride share company. It is almost midnight when you pick up two customers. Before you start to drive, the two passengers start punching you and reaching for the car keys. You have your concealed carry permit. You’re armed this night.  You lean away from them and draw your firearm. They run from your car.

Jeff- Not the safest job ever, most of us will not ever need to draw while in a car.  This would be an exception. Once someone has your car and they are driving away, let it go. Do you have your cars License plate number memorized or recorded on your phone?

A common situation, and becoming more common every day.

Rob- I didn’t learn to draw my firearm from a seated position when I took my CCW class.

Jeff- Not our CCW students either.

Rob- Sounds like it takes a couple of steps to get there.

Jeff- But you can learn it small step by step. First we have to learn firearms safety, to live with a loaded gun concealed on your body, learn to present when you’re standing, then learn  to do so when sitting.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week outside Greenville, South Carolina, but first this message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you arrive home in the morning?

You dropped your two children off at school. You open the door and notice a strange smell. You go upstairs and hear someone in your bedroom. You open your bedroom closet and a man reaches out to grab you. You have your concealed carry permit. You are armed. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker. You run out of the house and call police.

Police identify your dead attacker as the stalker who’d threatened you at work. Now, he’s broken into your home.

Jeff-  risk of working in the public, gun must have been in her hand as she opened to closet door.  Maybe tell the intruder to stay in the closet until police arrive? Talk through the door but not in front of the door.

A gun is one tool for self-defense. There are other tools as well. For example, I wish she had a home alarm. She could have stayed outside and let the police find her stalker.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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