Episode 95 with Tony Simon

Instructor Tony Simon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (18 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 95 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who already have one and want to know how to use it.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Tony Simon with us as co-host this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been at home sick. I’ve been getting our training schedule and the Diversity Shoot schedule ready for 2018. And building “Rob’s Rifle“ a AR15 especially dedicated to introducing new shooters to the rifle at our events.

Rob- Tony, please introduce our podcast.

Tony- Each week we study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Our first story took place last week in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story- Are you armed at home?

You are at home with your family. You’ve cleaned up after dinner. You hear your son shout. He says a stranger just came in and walked upstairs. You believe him. You say hide, and the kids scatter. You dash upstairs and get your gun. Then, you go door to door looking for someone who doesn’t belong here. You find him in your daughter’s room. The stranger took his clothes off. You order him to show his hands. His hands are empty. You order him to lie down and he complies. Your wife calls police. They arrive in minutes.

Police say the man has mental problems and had broken into several other homes.

Tony, what can we learn from this?

Tony- This is every parents nightmare. Good that he was armed with the mindset and tools to defend his home.

Rob- What would happen if dad didn’t have a gun?

Tony- Dad would have had to defend himself with his bare hands or a random item that he picked up as he searched his home for an intruder. That’s a horrible self-defense plan. He and his family seemed to have had a plan that was realistic. During the day his family was scattered throughout the home. The plan that you have for a midnight break in, when your entire family is in one part of the home, can’t be the same plan as when they’re in multiple areas.

Rob- So Dad had to go door to door to find the bad guy.

Tony- I think his son told him that the intruder went into his sister’s room.  There are a few things the family could have done better.

Rob- Tell me what do you see.

Tony-  Develop a culture of safety and security in your home. That starts with locking your doors. Many families have fire extinguishers that everyone knows how to use.  Some even practice fire drills. Locking the doors is the easiest step in keeping out unwanted guest. It may be a pain to have to keep unlocking the door with kids running around but imagine what could have happened if no one saw the stranger enter the home. He was nude and in the daughter’s room.

Rob- I think you’re right.

Tony- Also, POGO (Pants On, Gun On). Keeping your firearm on you should be a part of your security plan.  Here’s statistical data that’s easy to remember 100% of home invasions take place inside the home. Everyone chuckles when I  say that in classes but it is an obvious fact. There may not be a warning that a bad guy has entered your home. In this case dad would have to choose to leave his family with a dangerous naked man to go to get his firearm or stay and fight a naked man. I work in prison, even trained officers don’t want to fight the naked guy.

Rob- So dad was lucky.

Tony- Dad did a lot of the right things. We can learn from him and do even better.

Rob- Lots of people got guns for Christmas. Many of them made a new year’s resolution to learn self-defense. Talk to me about living with kids and guns in the same house.

Tony- Your self-defense guns should be loaded and on your body. If they are not on your body they should be secured in a quick access safe, secured in Concealment Furniture or secured so they can’t be picked up.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Amarillo, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

You’re the assistant manager at a small restaurant. It is late at night, but not that late. You’re usually open until 1AM. You hear one of your cooks shout from the back of the kitchen. You peak in and expect to deliver the usual lecture about horseplay. Instead, you see two strangers. One of them has ahold of one of your young cooks, and the second stranger is coming through the back doorway. They have a gun pointed at your cook. You’re armed. You shoot twice. The attacker lets go of your cook, but still has his gun. You shoot again. The robber drops his gun and falls to the floor. You look for the second robber, but he’s gone out the back door the way he came.

Tony- Not only did our good guy have a gun, he had it exactly when, where he needed it and had the skills needed to end a hostage situation.

Rob- So he carried. It wasn’t in the back office or on top of the safe.

Tony- Yes he carried and most likely he practiced.

Rob- Tell me more.

Tony- Many people hear this story and think it’s simple. See bad guy. Shoot bad guy. End of scenario. Not true at all. First the manager got his carry permit then carried the firearm on his person at all times. He truly believed that he needed to carry his life saving tool on him. I’m assuming that he got more training than a carry class because of how he handled himself. He heard “a shout” from the kitchen, that could have been anything, a hot pan burning someone or horseplay. He walked in the room to two bad guys and a hostage situation. He recognized that this was a life threatening situation, not a practical joke or a YouTube video. Drew from concealment, shot the bad guy,  accessed the situation, saw the bad guy was still was a threat and shot him some more.

Rob- that is a lot to think about.

Tony- Yes and it takes forethought and practice to be able to take in information, process that information, determine your course of action then perform that action. Along with  follow-up action if necessary.

Rob- And our manager did all that?

Tony- He did it like a champ. He shot an armed person that was holding another person hostage in a crowded kitchen. This wasn’t a range day or a class. This was his job. He had to snap into the correct mindset immediately.

Rob- That is what you teach your students?

Tony-  We teach using the crawl – walk- run method. After you leave class it’s up to them to practice what they learned. Dry fire practice and regular range practice helps develop the skills used by the manager.

Rob- Like driving a car or riding a bicycle. You practice until it becomes an unconscious reflex.

Tony- Exactly.

Rob- Let’s go on.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Jefferson, West Virginia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re around your home?  

You are 82 years old and you’re working in your garage. You hear a crash behind you. A young stranger broke through your garage window. He shouts at you to give him your keys and your wallet. You step back. You’re armed. Your attacker steps toward you. You draw your gun and fire. Now the attacker stops. You step into your house and call the police.

Tony-  A 24 year old man shouldn’t have a problem taking anything he wants from any 82 year old.  Colt firearms had an advertisement for the Colt Peacemaker in the 1870’s “God created all men, Colonel Colt made them equal”. An armed victim isn’t a  victim for long.

Rob- Why would an 82 year old man go armed in his garage early in the morning?

Tony- Because 100% of home invasions take place inside the home. By 82 most people have a good read on what they can and can’t do. Fighting off bad guys by hand is one of those things that will be on my “don’t do” list well before I’m 82.

Rob- Your garage early in the morning isn’t some place dangerous.

Tony- It was this morning.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train. My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram and at The Second is for Everyone.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Our number of downloads dropped over the hollicays, so please share this podcast with a friend. Leave us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 94 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (17 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 94 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host. This is Andee’s second podcast with us. We talked about a month ago. Happy birthday, and how have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been very busy! December is usually a slow month for teaching classes but this December I was overwhelmed by requests for private and group lessons. It was awesome to see so many people taking training as a serious part of concealed carry and personal safety. I taught a mother and her teenager, a group of homeschoolers, a group of moms and a few mixed classes with husbands and wives as well as a few others. I also saw an increase in people purchasing gift certificates for their loved ones to take classes which is great.

Rob- That is great. We have some feedback that our podcast sounds scripted. Yes, it is. I’m here every week, but our instructors are only with me once every few months. We record for about a half hour, and then cut it down to 15 minutes. I could play 15 minutes of jokes and bloopers, or we could talk about self-defense. Thank you for the comment and we are both becoming more relaxed with practice.

Andee, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- We talk about three recent examples of armed defense each week. Our first story took place last week in Snellville, GA. This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re in your car?  

It is the season. The new cell phones are out and it is after Christmas. Many people are selling their old phones. You put an ad on Craigslist. The buyer agrees to meet at a Walmart parking lot. You park under a light and wait for the buyer to arrive. Two men walk up. One of them asks if you have the phone for sale. The other man one pulls a gun out of his pocket and demands your phones..and your wallet.

You are a licensed concealed carrier. You’re armed. You jump out of your car. You keep moving and shoot the armed robber closest to you. Your two attackers run to a waiting car. You run inside the Walmart and call police.

Police arrest all three men when they seek treatment at a local hospital. They are in jail charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault, possession of firearm during the commission of a felony and obstruction of justice for lying to police about what happened.

Andee- be armed

Rob- Three robbers approach you as you sit in your car. Those are bad odds.

Andee- They are, but we can make them better. Have your seatbelt off so you can move.

Rob- What else do you notice?

Andee- The defender shot the robber three times in the arm that held the gun. It’s possible he was either flinching while pulling the trigger or focusing on the gun in the robber’s hand. We often focus on the gun even when we should aim for high-center of the chest area. It takes training to overcome that habit. It’s a natural instinct to focus on the weapon because it poses the greatest threat. It helps to use realistic targets of a person with a gun or a knife.

Rob- What are realistic targets? We’re not practicing shooting at real people, are we?

Andee- Silhouette targets vs picture of people.

That way we learn to recognize the weapon and, at the same time, practice shooting at the center of mass. We also tend to practice on stationary targets from the same position at the same distance.  Most armed defense happens between 5-15 feet feet and it happens very fast. That isn’t how we practice.

Rob- When you try that with your students at the range, what do you see?

Andee- Most people practice at about 30-50 feet and at a slow pace. Shooting at further distances gives us the impression that we have more time to react. I want us to practice drawing and shooting at close targetes. A great training tool is a shot timer. It applies a little stress and also measures our progress.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Andee- We don’t know why he exited the vehicle, it may be easier to draw the pistol because drawing from a sitting position in a vehicle can be a challenge.  I wonder if he could have driven away, but we don’t know the whole story.   He may have turned his vehicle off or the robbers could have blocked him in. This is where a vehicle tactics class can be very helpful in knowing what to do in different situations.

Finding a training class that offers shooting on the move, moving targets and vehicle tactics can really help you. I help teach a force-on-force class with Simunition (which is a plastic bullet shot through real firearms often used by law enforcement and military training). In this type of class we test people on how they would react to different scenarios a lot like this one. Even though you know it’s just acting and the bullets won’t kill you, your adrenaline builds up and the stress becomes real when you are engaging with someone who’s acting as though they want to hurt you. I highly recommend this type of training to learn your own capabilities and see where you need improvement, and it’s a LOT of fun!

Rob- Wow. That is a lot to learn. How much training and practice would you need before you took a force-on-force class?

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?  It is getting dark as you arrive home. You’re stepping off the street when a young man hurries up and asks you what time it is.  His hands come out of his pockets and he has a gun pointed at you. He demands your wallet. You hand over everything you have. You’re almost. You’re a licensed concealed carrier and you’re armed. The robber is stuffing his pockets as you draw your firearm. Your first shot misses. Your second shot hits your attacker in the head. You get your keys and your phone and call police. The police take the robbers gun.

Andee-Great that he was armed. That is a problem in Chicago since so many places in the city demand that victims be disarmed.

Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country yet they are one of the highest ranking cities for gun crimes. I’m thankful to live in a state where our gun laws let us carry and the percentage of gun related crimes are very low. Criminals don’t usually like to take chances. They chose targets that they see as weak.

Rob- For example, people are often attacked as they get off public transportation.

Andee- This man in his 50s was seen as an easy target by the 23 year old who tried to rob him. This victim was prepared and thankfully he carried his gun with him while traveling to and from his home. He was approached by the would-be attacker and was threatened. The victim drew his gun and fired. Speed was an essential so he could defend himself before the attacker could shoot him. This is why practice is important, you may only have a second before your life could be taken from you, under stress you rely on muscle memory and that comes from practice.

I want you to carry everyday. Recently, a friend of mine was coming out of his work, a man came out of nowhere and jumped him. His gun was in his car. Thankfully, he was also well trained in self defense. He quickly took control of the situation leaving with a few bumps and bruises and leaving his attacker in a lot worse state. But his lesson was learned: ALWAYS carry your gun.

It would be great to know your neighbors so you didn’t have to touch the robber.

Rob- What do you mean?

Andee- The robber might have had the man’s cell phone.

Rob- Right.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Oregon

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

It is closing time. You’re behind the counter at U-Haul. You have another employee and a customer in the store when a second customer walks in. He shouts for everyone to hand over their money. He draws his gun and points it at you. You’re armed too. You step behind the cash register and open the till.  You also turn to the side. You draw your gun and shoot the robber. He drops his gun, turns and falls. You shout for everyone to follow you and you step back out of the store into the back room. You call police.  The police  interview the other witnesses and look at the security camera videos.

Portland [OR] Police Bureau spokesman Sgt. Chris Burley said “..we..realize that if you feel like your life is in danger or someone else’s life is in danger, a person may need to protect themselves.”

Andee-  Protect yourself..and others. Some people have this thought that if you’re being robbed you should just give up your valuables. While this makes sense, as your life is more important than your valuables, you don’t know whether the robber is willing to leave witnesses or even if the robber is thinking clearly. Sometimes robbers get upset when you are unable to give them what they are looking for and will shoot you even if you follow their commands. When someone is pointing a gun at you, they are making a threat to take your life and that threat is enough to justify using your firearm to keep yourself and those around you safe.

Rob- Does that mean the clerk was justified in shooting first?

I think it’s important to note the man behind the counter didn’t just jump into action by drawing his pistol immediately. That would have most likely gotten him shot. He acted like he was going to give the gunman what he was demanding and got behind the cash register. He used that cover and distraction to draw and fire his gun taking the gunman off guard. This may have saved our defender from injury or death. It’s important to keep calm and use our brains before drawing our guns.

Rob- You expect me to think when someone points a gun at me?

Rob- What do you tell your students who want to know more about the laws regarding self-defense.

Andee- Go to the laws for concealed carry online or talk to your lawyer.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You’re collecting donations for some people who NEED training. Andee- https://www.thrivenewengland.org/

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 72 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 72. Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 72 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.   Happy Birthday.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been teaching and training.  We’re working both indoors and out.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Rob- Jeff, we have some listener feedback.  Clayton wanted to let us know that in this world of iPhones, Siri can call 911! I teach my students to practice calling 911.  You can gain experience by calling 911 when you see something suspicious as you drive.  

I’ve tried “Siri call 911/the police/the cops” and they all worked. Siri gives you a five second countdown to cancel if you didn’t mean to do it.

I’m not saying Siri is 100% reliable, but it’s another tool on your belt when you are in various situations when you don’t want to take your eyes off of. Like operating a vehicle, or holding someone at gunpoint!

Thank you, Clayton.

Jeff- You can use these stories to practice your 9111 calls.

Our first story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re standing behind the counter of your jewelry store.  It is three in the afternoon when three men burst through the front doors.  They have guns.  They start shouting for your money, so you back up towards the cash drawer.  One of the thugs hits you in the head with his pistol.  You stumble behind the counter and come up with the gun you keep there.  You shoot your attackers.  All three of them run.

You call for help.  EMS bandages the back of your head and neck.  The police tell you that one of the robbers went to the hospital.  One was dumped by the side of the road and died.  The police are looking for the third attacker.

 

Jeff- No remote door lock

3 men in a jewelry store is suspicious even without bursting in.

He had lots of time before this ever happened to mentally map possible scenarios.

No POGO

He bought a gun and stashed it.  The gun is a magic talisman to ward off evil.

He encountered a problem that was greater than he had prepared to handle.

He lost the distance initiative

He may have been able to issue a verbal challenge

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Columbia, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?

You’re sleeping at home with your girlfriend and your young son.  You hear someone break into the front of your house.  You grab a hammer and walk toward the sound.  You fight with the two intruders.  Then you run outside to your car and grab your gun.  You run back inside and shoot your two attackers.  They run.  Your son and girlfriend are shocked, but not hurt.  Your two attackers were arrested and taken to the hospital.

Jeff- this man had to run out of his home to get his self-defense tool..and then run back inside.  This man was lucky. I train my students to do a better job.

Rob- how was he lucky?

Jeff-He is lucky he survived a two-on-one attack.  What would have happened if he failed and the attackers had reached his girlfriend and child?

The front door was locked

Hammer as a defensive tool against 2 attackers

A Car is not a holster (guns used in crimes often times were stolen from parked cars).

He had to leave his loved ones with the attackers still in the house.

Gun with you

lock the door to your bedroom.

Girlfriend call the police.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Sarasota, Florida

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re working at your fast food job?

You’re working behind the counter at Pizza Hut.  It is late in the evening on a Tuesday night.  Two men wearing masks walk in and demand the money in the cash register.  You are armed.  One of the thugs points his gun at you.  Another one of the robbers starts hitting one of your co-workers.  You step behind the cash register as you draw your gun.  You shoot the nearest robber three times.  The other robber is running away before you can point your gun at him.

Police arrest the two robbers and their two accomplices when they went to the hospital seeking medical treatment.

Jeff- Problems get easier when you are properly prepared

Step to the side and draw shot the closest threat 3 times and the other threat left.

As soon as real resistance was shown our hero was in control.  

Our defender was only 22

We teach students that are too young to apply for their CCWL in FL

Jeff- Good that he had a gun on his body, and the defender was only 22 years old.

Rob- What skills do your students need to defend themselves like this?

Jeff-  safety, accuracy, presentation, movement, awareness and recognition,

Rob-  that is more than one class.

Jeff- several classes, and practice.  How well do you want to do in the real world exam?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com in Naples, Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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