Episode 126 with Jeff Street

Are you safe at home? What should you if your family is attacked? We discuss four new examples of armed defense.

Rob- Introduction- I’m glad you found us and welcome to episode 126 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Jeff Street.

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Gabe White’s pistol shooting solutions, Private Coaching, Shooting Matches, Scoot n Shoots, and We will have 6 GLOCKs to give away at our Everglades GLOCK Range Event.

Rob- Jeff, how do you listen to the show?

Jeff– I listen to it on my iphone utilizing the Downcast podcatcher app.

Rob- That is how most people listen. You have our podcast in your pocket every week. Please give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Jeff, would you introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Jeff- We study several examples where gun owners survived a life threatening situation. Were they lucky, or did they have a plan about what to do? What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Portland, Oregon.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you have a yard sale at your parents house?  

Your mom and dad are having a yard sale, and you said you’d stick around to help. Your mom saw someone stuffing clothing into her handbag. Your mom and dad asked her to stop that. Instead of returning the items, the stranger sprayed you mom and dad with pepper spray, and tried to stab your dad with a knife. You stepped inside and got the family shotgun. You pointed the shotgun at the attacker and told her to leave.

She saw the gun and ran.  You called police. The police said the young woman was lucky she was not shot and killed.

Jeff- 1st let’s look at avoidance.  We try to keep the pool of people who have been on our property or inside our home to a minimum.  In our neighborhood the nearby county park lets you rent a space once a month for a community yard sale.  They had no clue who would show up to their property.

This crazy woman looked normal in her mugshot photo.

I like this story because it’s the most likely defensive gun use scenario in that no shots were fired.  The scarry shotgun got the job done. You still need to call 911 as soon as possible so law enforcement can hear your side of the story 1st. This type of Defensive gun use rarely makes the news.

Of course we must add POGO pants on gun on.

Sounds like she had mental health issues.

The time while you went inside to get a gun could have cost your parents their lives.

Have a good plan. “We’ll get our gun.” might not work if it is hundreds of feet away while you’re out at your mailbox. You only have the tools that are within reach.

Jeff- Having a gun can stop the confrontation from escalating, so it would have been better if the family was armed with firearms on their bodies.

Rob- Do you talk to your students about what to do if someone in your family is attacked?

Rob- This took place at a yard sale. In your shooting classes, do you include targets that you don’t want to shoot?

Rob- What did our defender do correctly?

Jeff- Good restraint that the son tried verbal commands and did not shoot when he saw that the verbal commands worked. Good restrain in not following the attacker.

Rob- I’m imagining that someone tried to stab my dad. I can’t holster a shotgun, so I have to go back inside and put it away. I have the same problem with a handgun if I don’t have a holster. What do I do with the gun when I need two hands.

Next question is, can I stop the bleeding?

Jeff- That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Warsaw, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go out to eat at a restaurant? 

It is late. You’re getting ready to leave a restaurant when you hear an explosion from the parking lot. At first you wonder if a car crashed into the sign outside and blew up. You hear it again, and then one of the restaurant windows shatters. Some crazy guy is shooting at the place. People are jumping out of their chairs and diving for the floor.

You have your carry permit, You’re armed. You move so there isn’t anyone in front of you, and you shoot at the attacker. Now he drives away. Lots of people call police. Amazingly, no one inside the restaurant is seriously hurt.

The intoxicated attacker was upset about a game of pool. He was arrested and charged with armed criminal action, 1st degree assault, and unlawful possession of a weapon.

Jeff- The police had been called after the crazy guy made credible threats.  The police came took statements and left. Then the crazy guy shows up.

It looks like the attacker was shooting from inside his car.  So our citizen hero shot at the car which caused the attacker to flee in his car.  

Our citizen defender had to respond very quickly, yet he took the time to move to a position where he wouldn’t be endangering bystanders.

Rob- Most attacks are face to face. This one was at a distance.

Jeff- sometimes you can use verbal commands. I’m betting this man was drunk, so verbal commands would not have worked in this case.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Jeff- I noticed that the defender had innocent people near him and had to move in order to have a clear shot.

Rob- We don’t want to hurt innocent people. Do you talk with your students about moving with a gun?

Rob- Do they get to practice moving around a target, a simulated person, that they don’t want to shoot, they don’t even want to point their gun at an innocent person.

Jeff- good restraint in that the defender stopped when the attack stopped.

Jeff- medical training. Our third story happened last week outside of Wichita, Kansas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving your truck?

You’re driving along the street at 9 pm. A car pulls into the street right in front of you. You have to change lanes to keep from hitting the car. You pull back into the right lane and proceed on your way.  They car passes you, and then stops, blocking both lanes. The driver gets out of the car, walks up to your truck and demands money. You tell him to go away. The robber starts smashing windows of your truck.

You draw your firearm and shoot him. Now you call police.

You’re not charged. The robber’s family say he suffered from mental illness.

Jeff- our Defender was blocked in and couldn’t drive away. Once the window was broken our defender was in legitimate fear for his life.  Shooting the Crazy attacker was the only course left. Good thing he had his gun ready to use. The attacker died. Our defender probably had excellent shot placement.  The attacker may have seen the gun and still continued the attack. Well placed shots were the only answer. At this point we need immediate incapacitation.

mentioned in the previous story, that drunk people don’t respond to verbal commands. Crazy people don’t listen either.

Jeff- Again, no time to get a gun from home, or to go get ammunition and load it. By the time you recognize that you have a gun problem, you need your defensive tool right now.

Jeff- Drive away if you can.

Jeff- Use necessary force. It sounds like the victim stopped shooting when the attacker was no longer a threat.

Jeff- Call police. You want to identify yourself as the victim of a crime. Ask for police and EMTs.

Jeff- Call your lawyer.

Rob- Do we see attacks like this very often?

Jeff- There are thousands of attacks outside the home every day.

Rob- Let’s go on to our fourth story.

Jeff- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and asked for a fourth story. If you like more stories, then let us know. If you want a shorter podcast, then let us know that as well.

Jeff- Our fourth story happened last week in Racine, Wisconsin.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed as you get into your car to go to work?

You’re running a little late and getting ready to leave for work. You hear two kids scream from in front of your house. You look up and see two kids being attacked by a dog, and the dog is about as big as they are. You run to the street and the dog stops biting the two kids. Now the 80 pound pit bull lunges at you.

You have your carry permit. You’re armed. You draw and shoot the dog. Evidently it wasn’t a fatal wound, and the dog runs back to it yard. You shout for help to treat the kids. Then you holster your gun and call police and EMTs.

The EMT take the children to the hospital to treat the bite wounds on their legs and feet. The dog has bitten strangers before.

Jeff- our hero stopped the attack on the kids but then the dog came after him.   Its difficult to hit a small fast moving target. The problem that you or i find ourselves in may be one that requires a higher degree of technical skill.  That is why we continue to train.

That is why Wait. let me go inside and open my gun safe and then get my ammunition that I keep stored in a separate location, and then load my gun, and then run to the scene to help.

Rob- There wasn’t time for that.

Jeff- People are attacked in their home and outside their home. I’m proud of this man for moving toward the sound of the screams to protect the kids. I’m also glad he wasn’t bitten himself. It shows good planning that he had a gun to protect himself and the children. The news reports say the dog and the older child weighed about 80 pounds. They were walking to the school bus stop down the street.

Rob- It was safe every other day.

Jeff- Yes, but that doesn’t mean it will be safe today or tomorrow.

Rob- Do you talk about this with your students?

Rob- It isn’t easy to shoot a small moving target with other people around.

Jeff- And the defender only grazed the animal. That means the bullet stopped somewhere else. You might be shooting down at a concrete or asphalt surface, and a bullet can skip off and head down the street into your neighbor’s house.

Rob- You might not be able to back up because the kids are behind you. How do you train your students to handle these situations?

Jeff- Small steps. Safety, concealed carry, advanced problems.

We get to practice all kinds of unusual shots out at the range. Those are things you probably can’t do at your usual shooting range where you rent a stall and have someone standing  and shooting right next to you.

Put your gun away.

Call for help.

Treat the injured. Medical training and equipment.

Call 911

Talk to the police.

Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- Contact us at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. Leave a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

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Rob- This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network at sdrn.us

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 117 with Jeff Street

Are you armed at home and on the street? Can you protect those you love? Firearms instructor Jeff Street brings us three new stories. (13 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 117 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Jeff Street with us as co-host.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy training, both indoors, and outdoor is in the south florida heat.  Wow.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Jeff- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

We Get a lot of time to think about these stories before we comment on them.  Our listeners need to think about their daily lives and what possible problems they might encounter.  

Our first story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home at night?  

It is after dark. You hear your wife scream from outside your house. You walk to the windows and see two men grabbing your wife and pushing her towards the front door. You grab your handgun and step outside. The robbers shoot at you. You shoot them. Now they run.

One of the suspects was arrested at the hospital. Both you and your wife are uninjured, but badly shaken.

Jeff- great that he had a gun

Rob- two robbers versus you and your wife. I don’t like those odds.

Jeff- Home invasion method that defeats Locks and Alarms. Situational Awareness Levels, P.O.G.O. What door do you exit from to confront the attackers? Exchange of Fire hostage shot, Difficulty of your problem, Moving Targets, Skills needed, skills tested

Jeff- It isn’t clear if the man was armed, or if he had to go get his gun. If you have your gun up in a closet, then time yourself to see how long it takes you to get it. Start at your front door, go get your gun, load it, and then get back to the front door.

Rob- ccw vs sniper shot

Jeff- He shot the attacker in the head..at night

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive your car?   

You are driving for a ride share company. It is almost midnight when you pick up two customers. Before you start to drive, the two passengers start punching you and reaching for the car keys. You have your concealed carry permit. You’re armed this night.  You lean away from them and draw your firearm. They run from your car.

Jeff- Not the safest job ever, most of us will not ever need to draw while in a car.  This would be an exception. Once someone has your car and they are driving away, let it go. Do you have your cars License plate number memorized or recorded on your phone?

A common situation, and becoming more common every day.

Rob- I didn’t learn to draw my firearm from a seated position when I took my CCW class.

Jeff- Not our CCW students either.

Rob- Sounds like it takes a couple of steps to get there.

Jeff- But you can learn it small step by step. First we have to learn firearms safety, to live with a loaded gun concealed on your body, learn to present when you’re standing, then learn  to do so when sitting.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week outside Greenville, South Carolina, but first this message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you arrive home in the morning?

You dropped your two children off at school. You open the door and notice a strange smell. You go upstairs and hear someone in your bedroom. You open your bedroom closet and a man reaches out to grab you. You have your concealed carry permit. You are armed. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker. You run out of the house and call police.

Police identify your dead attacker as the stalker who’d threatened you at work. Now, he’s broken into your home.

Jeff-  risk of working in the public, gun must have been in her hand as she opened to closet door.  Maybe tell the intruder to stay in the closet until police arrive? Talk through the door but not in front of the door.

A gun is one tool for self-defense. There are other tools as well. For example, I wish she had a home alarm. She could have stayed outside and let the police find her stalker.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 108 with Jeff Street

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Jeff Street brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (17 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 108 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Jeff Street with us as co-host.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been at TacCon, and teaching a lot of people how to draw and re-holster safely

Rob- And I was at the NRA convention.  I also took a medical first responder class. Good stuff, but tourniquets leave bruises. Ouch. Jeff, Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Jeff- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What should you do in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Belleview, Florida.  This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You drive up to your home. As you walk  towards the door, you notice a window is broken. Rather than go inside, you call your sister for help. She drives over, and she has her gun. You shout that you’re home, and a man shouts back. He grabs his backpack and runs into the woods. You get a picture of him on your phone.

The police bring a K9 unit and the dog soon finds the burglar. The police find evidence on the intruder, and personal property bagged inside the home. The burglar is charged with burglary and larceny.

The judge initially assigned a 12 thousand dollar bond, but then reviewed the burglar’s criminal history of burglary, grand theft and trafficking in stolen property and revoked bail.

Jeff- Broken window vs 3m Security film

Alarm?

Didn’t go inside / good

When we 1st arrive home we are in condition yellow (just like outside) until we are satisfied it is safe.

Called armed sister / how about carrying a gun yourself?

How about calling 911?

Yelling “I’m home.” from outside worked out ok this time.

Getting a picture of him on your cell phone / yes be a good witness as long as your not putting yourself into unreasonable danger.

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed on the street?   

You’re a small 23 year old woman. It is about three in the afternoon and you’re walking down the street. A man pushes you from behind. He grabs your purse and tries to run away. You hang on and fight him. He hits you. You draw your handgun and shoot your attacker once in the chest. He starts to run and then falls. You stand there for a minute, then run into a nearby store. You drop your gun as you enter. Another customer steps out of the store and picks it up and brings in inside the store. You call police.

You received your carry permit last year. You bought your gun and started carrying last week.

Jeff- Small woman with the great equalizer (a firearm)

When are they going to start putting gps trackers into purses?

Where was the firearm? Was it in the purse and she managed to get to it in the struggle?

If so probably not the scenario she imagined when she chose purse carry.

We need to think about how we are going to safely re-holster our gun after the incident while under duress.

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In a more perfect purse scenario, nothing of real value is in the purse.  Credit card and defensive tools are on body.

One shot to the chest and the fight was over.  Excellent!

A witness called 911.  He refers to the attacker that is now on the ground as the “victim”.

Once that thought is placed in the 911 operators head, the witness has a difficult time getting through to the 911 operators the reality of the circumstances.

How about saying; to 911 the threat is over I need and ambulance and law enforcement.  The attacker has been shot. The firearm has been secured by a 3rd party. Currently everyone on site is safe.  We need an ambulance for the attacker.

That seems difficult.  What we need to do after hearing a SDGS is to write down and practice what we would say.  We can look it over and think about how the 911 operator will react to our words.

It took her a year after getting a permit to buy a gun.  Maybe she received additional training in the meantime?

Rob- We need to practice what we want to say, and also practice when we need to be quiet.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Mexia, (Meh-hay-ha)Texas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

It is a weekday morning when someone rings your doorbell and wakes you up. You answer the door and the stranger asks if someone lives there. You say that person doesn’t live there and probably never did. You watch the stranger walk away. He walks towards the trees, but doesn’t leave. You lock your door. You wake your teenage daughter and tell her to get your the bedroom with the dogs. Your daughter calls 911.

You hear the crash of breaking glass coming from the front of your house. You grab your gun from the side table and step into the hall. The intruder is back and has a shovel raised over his head.

You point your gun at him and say, “If you take one more step I’ll kill you.” He runs.

You lock your bedroom door and wait for the police. They arrive 14 minutes later. They find the intruder in a nearby trailer park and arrest him for burglary

Jeff-  It was a weekday morning.  Were you expecting company?  Even so make him tell you through the door why they are there?  Don’t open the door and say “you must be the repairman i called”.

Our home owner was not wearing a gun when she answered the door

Our home owner looked through the blinds to see if the creepy guy left.  Creepy guy may have noticed this. Video surveillance cameras would have been handy.

When creepy guy didn’t leave they called 911.  Good move.

You hear a crash of breaking glass. Please get some 3m security film installed.

Grab your gun instead of wearing your gun.

“Take one more step and i will kill you” and the gun pointed at him was enough to change his mind this time.

After all this, it takes 14 minutes for the police to arrive.  When it comes to immediate safety for you and your family, you are on your own.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 91 with Jeff Street

Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 91 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Jeff Street is our co-host this week..

Jeff, please introduce our podcast.

Jeff- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Chicago, Illinois. Here is the story.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at a convenience store?  

You work at as a night clerk. Three young men enter your store shortly before midnight. All of them are wearing masks or bandanas over their face. One of them pulls a gun out of his pocket. He points the gun at you and demands the money from the cash register. You draw your gun and shoot the armed robber with the gun. Then, you aim at the robber nearest you, but he is running from the store with his other accomplice. You step into the back of the store and call police.

The same store was robbed last week. You (was it the same clerk?)  gave them your money and the robbers left. A clerk in North Carolina was murdered after he gave the robbers / thieves the money they demanded.

Jeff- These robbers were not expecting resistance.  Earlier when the store was robbed it was only one unmasked robber.

 In order to rob you there has to be an immediate  credible threat of death or serious bodily harm.  

These are the same requirements that justify your use of deadly force.

It was a gut shot, but it worked.  Don’t count on that.  In most cases a high center chest shot is what we are looking for.  

Our second story happened last week in East Chicago.

Rob- Second story- Are you armed at a cell phone store?

You work at a cell phone store.  The store is busy since it is early in the evening. A customer dashes up to the counter. You are are in the show area of the store and not behind the counter. Now you notice that the customer is wearing a mask and has a gun pointed at the clerk behind the counter. The robber demands the money from the cash register. The clerk complies and gives the robber the money. You shoot the robber and he falls to the floor. Several of you call police.

Jeff- Falling to the floor is a fairly good indication of compliance. This was a headshot by a security guard Not a security monitor.  I’m sure the Robber cased the the store before deciding to rob it.  Yet there was an armed guard?  Maybe the armed guard was in plain clothes?  Keep your Gun on him until you are absolutely sure that he is no longer a threat.  If you can move into a position where you can cover him without him being able to see what your doing and you can see his hands, then do so.  Then call 911.  Even if someone else already called you need your voice recorded calling 911.  As of now the robber is in the hospital and yet unidentified so im guessing he is in a comma.

Our third story happened last week in Chicago.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you arrive home?  

It is a few hours after midnight. You’re parking your car. As you stop the car in the parking lot, and stranger approaches you. You get out of your car and the stranger draws a gun and tries to rob you. You have your Illinois concealed carry permit. You’re armed. You present your firearm and shoot your attacker once in the chest. You run away and call police.

Jeff- Chest shot Great Shot Placement.  

Jeff- Parking lots are dangerous places even at home.  As i’m slowing my car to parking speed i unbuckle my seatbelt.  Whenever possible i back my car in.  With the doors still locked i take a look around using my mirrors and windows, before i turn off the engine.  If it’s at all dark i grab my flashlight before I get out of the car.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can wish us merry christmas on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can wish us a merry christmas on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories, and merry christmas to all.

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Episode 82 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 82. Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 82 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Jeff Street joins us this week..

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been? 

 

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  How have I been?

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Prep early so you aren’t part of the problem.

Let me say “Hi” to our new listeners. We report three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Please use our discussion as part of your self-defense exercise program. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Jeff- Our first story took place last week in Church, Hill, Tennessee.

Rob- First story- Are you armed when you’re at home with your family?  

You’re sleeping in your bed.  It is close to midnight when your wife wakes you up.  She heard glass breaking. Your two young grandchildren are sleeping in the house, so you won’t take any chances.  You get up, grab your shotgun, move downstairs and see someone climbing out your kitchen window.  You yell for them to stop.

The burglar starts yelling, “Don’t shoot.  Don’t shoot.”

Your wife calls the police.  The criminal admitted he was under the influence of Methamphetamine. He used the propane tank from your gas grill to break the kitchen window.

Jeff- Good job for having a gun

Jeff- When the homeowner confronted the robber, the robber was not an immediate threat, so good job for not shooting.

Guns around children.

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go shopping with a friend?

 You and your friend were doing some shopping.  It is mid-afternoon.  You’re walking across the parking lot as you pass a stranger.  The stranger pulls a gun out of his pocket as you pass.  He yells for you to hand over your wallets and cellphones. You hand him your phones.  As you reach for your wallet, you draw your firearm. You shoot your attacker, and he runs away.  You and your friend were not injured.  Police find and arrest your attacker by following the trail of blood he left behind.

Jeff- Parking Lots are dangerous.  Our defender earned his draw.

 

Jeff- Our third story happened last week on the south side of Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home late at night?

You’re at home when you hear someone breaking into the side door of your house.  It is almost midnight.  You are 60 years old.  You grab your gun and walk toward the sound.  You see a man standing inside your home with a crowbar in his hand.  You shoot him.  He runs away. You call police.

The robber drives himself to the hospital where he is taken into custody.  The police ask you if you have a permit to own the gun. You show them your Illinois Firearms Owners ID card along with your Illinois concealed carry permit.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  I teach in Naples Florida, and you can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  Please share this podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 72 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 72. Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 72 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.   Happy Birthday.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been teaching and training.  We’re working both indoors and out.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Rob- Jeff, we have some listener feedback.  Clayton wanted to let us know that in this world of iPhones, Siri can call 911! I teach my students to practice calling 911.  You can gain experience by calling 911 when you see something suspicious as you drive.  

I’ve tried “Siri call 911/the police/the cops” and they all worked. Siri gives you a five second countdown to cancel if you didn’t mean to do it.

I’m not saying Siri is 100% reliable, but it’s another tool on your belt when you are in various situations when you don’t want to take your eyes off of. Like operating a vehicle, or holding someone at gunpoint!

Thank you, Clayton.

Jeff- You can use these stories to practice your 9111 calls.

Our first story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re standing behind the counter of your jewelry store.  It is three in the afternoon when three men burst through the front doors.  They have guns.  They start shouting for your money, so you back up towards the cash drawer.  One of the thugs hits you in the head with his pistol.  You stumble behind the counter and come up with the gun you keep there.  You shoot your attackers.  All three of them run.

You call for help.  EMS bandages the back of your head and neck.  The police tell you that one of the robbers went to the hospital.  One was dumped by the side of the road and died.  The police are looking for the third attacker.

 

Jeff- No remote door lock

3 men in a jewelry store is suspicious even without bursting in.

He had lots of time before this ever happened to mentally map possible scenarios.

No POGO

He bought a gun and stashed it.  The gun is a magic talisman to ward off evil.

He encountered a problem that was greater than he had prepared to handle.

He lost the distance initiative

He may have been able to issue a verbal challenge

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Columbia, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?

You’re sleeping at home with your girlfriend and your young son.  You hear someone break into the front of your house.  You grab a hammer and walk toward the sound.  You fight with the two intruders.  Then you run outside to your car and grab your gun.  You run back inside and shoot your two attackers.  They run.  Your son and girlfriend are shocked, but not hurt.  Your two attackers were arrested and taken to the hospital.

Jeff- this man had to run out of his home to get his self-defense tool..and then run back inside.  This man was lucky. I train my students to do a better job.

Rob- how was he lucky?

Jeff-He is lucky he survived a two-on-one attack.  What would have happened if he failed and the attackers had reached his girlfriend and child?

The front door was locked

Hammer as a defensive tool against 2 attackers

A Car is not a holster (guns used in crimes often times were stolen from parked cars).

He had to leave his loved ones with the attackers still in the house.

Gun with you

lock the door to your bedroom.

Girlfriend call the police.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Sarasota, Florida

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re working at your fast food job?

You’re working behind the counter at Pizza Hut.  It is late in the evening on a Tuesday night.  Two men wearing masks walk in and demand the money in the cash register.  You are armed.  One of the thugs points his gun at you.  Another one of the robbers starts hitting one of your co-workers.  You step behind the cash register as you draw your gun.  You shoot the nearest robber three times.  The other robber is running away before you can point your gun at him.

Police arrest the two robbers and their two accomplices when they went to the hospital seeking medical treatment.

Jeff- Problems get easier when you are properly prepared

Step to the side and draw shot the closest threat 3 times and the other threat left.

As soon as real resistance was shown our hero was in control.  

Our defender was only 22

We teach students that are too young to apply for their CCWL in FL

Jeff- Good that he had a gun on his body, and the defender was only 22 years old.

Rob- What skills do your students need to defend themselves like this?

Jeff-  safety, accuracy, presentation, movement, awareness and recognition,

Rob-  that is more than one class.

Jeff- several classes, and practice.  How well do you want to do in the real world exam?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com in Naples, Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  We share this podcast with you for free, and ask that you share it with a friend.  Please give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 62 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 62 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do in their situation?

Introduction- Rob- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 62 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

It’s great to talk with you again, Jeff.  What have you been up to?

 

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to exercise your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Jeff- Our first story took place last week in Decatur, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work? You work on the back dock of a roofing supply company.  You’re around construction and material handling equipment all day long as you move materials and set up customer’s orders.  It isn’t unusual to yell so you can hear each other over the noise of the equipment, but this yelling is different.  One of your customers is yelling at one of your co-workers.  You stop to see what is happening.  You see the customer pull a firearm and point the gun at one of your co-workers.  He isn’t showing off the gun, he is threatening to hurt your co-worker.  You draw your own gun and fire twice at the attacker.  Then you’re the one doing the shouting as you yell for someone to call the police.

Jeff, what would you tell your students if they were in this situation?

 

Jeff- This may be an example of involving yourself in the conflicts of others.   We don’t know all the details.  Was the employee the only one threatened by the customer?  How well do you know the involved coworker?  Are you willing to put your life in danger for them?  Can you assist without putting other coworkers in greater danger?

Rob- What do we need to know before we get involved?

Jeff- You need to figure these things out ahead of time.  Make a list of the people you would be willing to die for or spend the rest of your life in jail for.  My wife Robyn is on that list.  The world will miss her more than me.  Putting myself in jeopardy for someone else will potentially deprive my wife of me.

Rob- Should you protect strangers in a movie theater, but not in the mall?  Should you protect your mother in law, but not your brother in law?

Rob- What did the responder do correctly?

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in La Porte, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home in the evening?  Your daughter wanted to buy a cell phone.  She found a used one at a price she wanted to pay.  She agreed to meet the buyer at a public place.  The police have an area of their parking lot set up with cameras for trades like this.  They seller was late, so your daughter agreed to meet the seller at your home.

Your daughter asked to see the phone and make sure it worked before she handed over the money. Your wife was standing nearby, and the buyer grabbed your wife.  He grabbed your wife  by the hair and demanded the money.  Your wife yelled and you looked from inside your house.  Your daughter yelled that she’d go get the money from inside the house.  You saw the stranger with a gun pointed at your wife’s head.  You walked to the front steps and leaped at the buyer, knocking him away from your wife.  Rather than run away, the attacker again demanded the money.  You said you’d get it.  You walked inside and grabbed your handgun.  The attacker raised his gun as you came outside.  You shot him once in the low- center chest.  Now the attacker ran away.  The driver waiting in his car sped away with the injured attacker.  Now you call police.

Jeff- Late buyer should be a red flag.  We never invite strangers to our home.  Would have been better is someone involved in the exchange on the good guy side of the balance sheet had been armed.  

Rob-  When is lethal force justified, when is it necessary, and when is it advantageous?

Jeff- The criminal was armed.

Rob- That shows he threatened us with lethal force.  When should we shoot?

Jeff-  Low center chest was not an instant stop shot.  At that point. our violent criminal actor was convinced that retreat was a good option.   

Rob- I like it that he went hand to hand rather than stand there when his wife was threatened.

 

 

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you walk to your car?  

You had to get something from your car.  It is parked on the street.  It is almost noon, and two men approach you as you reach for the door.  One of the men has a gun.  They demand your car keys and wallet.  You are licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Chicago.  You’re armed.  You reach for your keys and then present your firearm.  You shoot the armed robber.  He drops his gun.  Both men run away.  You stop firing and call the police.

Jeff-  When approaching your car, you should give an extra look around.  Maybe they would not have selected you.  This is Chicago and they most likely believe that you are not armed.  I will not ever live in Chicago or any other gun unfriendly city.

Rob- What if he saw them.  What should he do next?

 

Jeff- Distraction worked.  Reaching into your pocket for the keys or putting them on the car might have diverted their attention and slowed their reaction time.  That gave the defender more time to act.

Rob- It sounds like only one of the attackers had a firearm.

Jeff- Notice that in the last case and this one both perpetrators were not immediately immobilized from a handgun wound (like in the movies).  Calling the police is very important.  We recommend the say little approach.  In order to accomplish the say little approach I recommend vigorous listening to SDGS and thinking about what you would tell 911, the arriving police, and your attorney after the fact.

 

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  My wife and I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can learn more about us at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as weekly group classes.  Our listeners can also find us on Facebook.

Rob- Please leave your comments and questions on the podcast facebook page.  

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Episode 54 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 54 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction– Welcome to episode 54 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Ohio.

Rob- First story- Are you armed as you arrive home?  You’re a young woman and you are walking back home at 7:45 in the morning.  A man walks up beside you as you approach your apartment door.  He’s wearing a mask.  He has a gun.  You’re being robbed, right in front of you apartment in Cleveland, Ohio.  The robber tells you to open the door or he’ll shoot you.  He forces you inside.  He takes your purse, your keys, and your phone.  Then he walks upstairs.  He tries to rob the man living upstairs.  They fight.  The man living upstairs in the apartment grabs the robber’s gun and and shoots him several times.  The robber stumbles down stairs and falls to the floor.

The defender then calls for police and medical first responders.  The defender walks outside the apartment and waves to police.  He guides them to the crime scene. Police pronounced the robber dead at the scene.  The police say the robbers was using a stolen gun.

The two young children living in the apartment were not hurt.

Jeff- Walking home Awareness Looking Aware Flashlight

Be ready to drop or throw what is in your hand

She was forced let him in.  The robber was able the enter the building unannounced (except for noises made by the initial struggle outside the building.

The Defender grabs the robbers gun and uses it against the robber.  The repeated phrase “if you have a gun it will be used against you” comes to mind.  In reality guns are taken away from robbers and criminals by victims most often, not the other way around.  Law enforcement get their guns taken more often than non-LEOs because they have to get so close to criminals.

The gun was stolen.  Keep your guns on you or locked up.

Jeff- Our second story took place in Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you stop for gasoline at night?  It’s only 8:30 in the evening.  You pull into the gas station in Houston, Texas to buy gas and get a drink.  You’re walking up to the office when a stranger comes around the corner of the building.  He pulls a gun out of his pocket and points it at you.  He wants your wallet, your phone and your keys.  You fumble for a few seconds while the robber points his gun at you.  You step to the side and present your own firearm.  You shoot the robber several times.  The robber is shooting too.  The robber falls to the ground and you run back to your car.

Police arrive a few minutes later.  Your gun is back in its holster.  You walk up to them and say you defended yourself.  You have a permit to carry concealed.

Jeff- be the first person to call the police.  You want to make sure to say that you’re the victim and tell them what you look like.  This is really important in this situation.  What if someone else sees you shoot the robber and they give the police your description as the bad guy?  If the robber has your cell phone, then go inside the business and ask them to call the police.

Side step worked.  Corner of the building is dangerous.  Usually the doors are in the middle of the building.  Try to have a direct rout but avoid traps.

Just because your being shot at or shot doesn’t give you permission to give up.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Alabama.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home and at work?  You live where you work at your small boat store in Foley, Alabama.  With thirty to forty boats sitting outside, you need to be close by.  People come by at all hours looking for repair parts as well. That’s fine.  You have lots of regular customers after being here for ten years.

You were upstairs when you heard someone smash through the front of your store.  It’s dark outside so you can’t see what’s happening.  You stayed upstairs and grabbed your gun.  You retreated to your bedroom were looking for your cell phone.  Some big guy with an ax starts chopping his way through your bedroom door.   The intruder breaks down the door.  He is wearing a black bandana over his face.  You’re 77 years old, so you’re not going to wrestle with this guy.  The attacker comes toward you and you fire.  Your gun is really loud inside the small room, but you keep firing until the attacker stops.

Then you call police.  It is hard to dial the phone because your fingers are shaking.  It is hard to hear what the police say because it is hard to hear anything after shooting your gun indoors.

The police say your attacker died at the scene.  They pick up his two partners.  One was acting as a lookout, and the second was waiting in their getaway car.  The police admit you acted in self-defense.

Jeff- Motion sensor lights inside.  Cameras outside.  Cell phone always in familiar spot.  Electronic ear pro by the bed.  Silencer on defensive tools at home.

Jeff- Late at night.  Break in.  Where is your gun?

Rob- Should you turn on the light?

Rob- Exit- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  (any upcoming classes?)

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.


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Episode 45 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 45 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction Rob- Welcome to episode 45 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.  How have you been, Jeff?

Jeff – Hi, Rob.  Anything new in your gun/training world?

Rob- Jeff.  Finally got tax stamps for suppressors we bought 9 months prior.  We are already using the 22 suppressors for training.  

Jeff- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed on your way to the airport?

An Uber driver picked up an early morning fare and started on his way to the Fort Lauderdale airport.  There aren’t many cars on the road at 5:30 in the morning.  Their small car was cut off by a Dodge Caravan.  The larger car slammed on their brakes, and the two occupants got out of the Caravan.  The driver was armed, and walked toward the Uber driver.  This was a robbery, and the robber demanded the driver’s wallet, phone and keys.  The driver was a licensed concealed carry holder in the state of Florida.

News reports are not clear if the Uber driver remained in his car or if he got out.  The driver shot the armed robber four times.  That is when the robber fell to the ground.  The other robber ran, and the armed victim stopped firing.  The surviving robber drove away.  Neither the driver nor the passenger were injured.

The robbery vehicle was an overdue rental car.  The two robbers had robbed someone else an hour earlier.

Jeff These are talking points.  I will elaborate in conversation.

  1. Stay in your car.  Drive away.  Blast your horn. Call 911.  Push the panic button on your key fob.  Emergency Flashers.  Side windows with protective film.
  2.  Have you practiced drawing your gun from a seated position.  Do you own a blue gun?  How to deal with a seat belt.  
  3. Why get out of the car?  

Jeff- Our second story took place in New Mexico

Second Story-  Do you have a firearm nearby when you’re in bed?  A naked man tried to break into several Albuquerque homes late at night.  The intruder broke the bedroom window of an elderly couple’s home.  The couple was asleep in their bed.  The male homeowner grabbed a gun he keeps near the bed and shot the intruder several times.  The intruder ran.  He jumped several fences before neighbors saw him and reported him to police.

The intruder was captured and taken to a local hospital for treatment.  He had been drinking and was out on parole.  

The elderly homeowner had difficulty answering the police because he couldn’t hear their questions.

Jeff- These are talking points:

  • Our homeowner shot the intruder several times.  Then the intruder jumped several fences.  Getting shot in this case was only a deterrent.  Our homeowner was lucky.  We call that a psychological stop.  He was shot several times with better training maybe our homeowner would have better shot placement and less shots needed and a physical stop.
  • Flash light.
  • Team tactics.
  • Harden your home to help deter criminals and slow them down.  Window film, alarm system, lighting, door locks, security cameras, bolt your safe to the floor.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Georgia, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you are shopping or at work?  It is the holiday season.  A nail salon was very busy this evening with 10 employees and many customers.  Two armed robbers entered the store located in a strip mall west of Atlanta.  The robbers presented their firearms.  They threatened the employees and the customers.  They demanded money and other valuables.  One of the store employees was armed.

He shot one of the robbers.  Both robbers ran.  One drove away and left his wounded accomplice in a stand of trees.  Police dogs found the robber and his gun.  He was arrested and police are looking for his accomplice.

Rob- Will complying with the robber and giving him your money buy your safety?

 

  • You don’t get to know that.  What you get to know is that the criminal has threatened you with serious bodily injury or death.  Compliant people are murdered every year.
  • Now accurate shooting is more important.  You don’t have time to miss and you can’t afford to hit an innocent bystander.  Get with a trainer that can get you  to a competent level of speed and accuracy.
  • Blue guns are great for training to shoot from a seated position.  You probably don’t want to stand up and then draw your gun as you will draw attention to yourself.  In a case like this it would probably be ok if the 1st clue the criminal has that you are armed is the criminal getting shot.
  • Team tactics training for employees.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff Our listeners can contact me at

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff- If you like this podcast, then please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 34 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 34 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 33 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  The network includes the polite society podcast, handgun world, and modern self protection, and gun freedom radio.   I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by my friend and self-defense instructor Jeff Street.  What have you been up to, Jeff?Jeff Street

Jeff – Hi, Rob.  It was great to meet you and your wife at the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  I met so many people that I’ve read, listened to trained with.  Now I saw them face to face.  Everyone should go to GRPC if they can.  It is in Dallas next September.

I have to say, hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in Maine.

Rob- First story-  Can you protect your family in the middle of the night?  A woman and her two children were asleep in their home.  They live in Waterboro, Maine.  The woman’s 6 year old daughter was having trouble sleeping, so the young girl climbed into bed with mom.  Her 5 year old son was asleep on the couch.  Just after midnight, the woman was woken up by a stranger shining a flashlight in her face.  Her first reaction was to say, “I have a gun and I’m not afraid to use it and you need to leave.”

The woman pulled her children into her bedroom and grabbed her gun.  With her gun in her hand, she pushed the man out of her house.  That is when she realized that the man wasn’t a stranger, but was her neighbor.  Her neighbor is mentally disturbed and this night was drunk.

The woman call the sheriff.  While she was on the phone, the neighbor tried to enter the back door and cut himself.  The drunk neighbor then entered the front door that he’d kicked in a few minutes before.  Fortunately, the deputies arrived before the woman had to use lethal force.

The neighbor was arrested and taken into custody and charged with trespass and criminal mischief for breaking into the home.

Jeff-  This woman performed well considering the circumstances.  I’m really glad that she did not shoot her neighbor.  We need to practice our verbal commands short clear and with authority.

Rob- She did more than use words.  She got in a shoving match while she had a gun in her hand.

Jeff-  She got very close to him and may have been overpowered.

Her 1st clue was a flashlight in her face.  She didn’t have a gun or a flashlight at that time.  You need your gun near you at night.  It needs to be ready to be attached to your body.  We stage fire extinguishers we carry our guns and keep them close to us at all times.  You also need to have a quality flashlight to make sure it is not your kids or somebody else who does not need to get shot.

We can learn from this and create better circumstances for ourselves.

1st harden the target.  Low budget hooks and cowbells on the doors and windows.  Bigger budget steel doors, dead bolts, motion sensor lights inside and outside, alarm system, cameras, dog that will bark.

Slow the invader down, cause the invader to make noise.  Lock your bedroom door.  Have your Flashlight, Gun, and phone handy.  Try to get set up such that before you see the intruder you know its an intruder and you can call 911.

She escalated her response in stages.  She tried her words.  She said she had a gun and told the intruder to leave.

Rob- I noticed that she got her gun, but still didn’t shoot.  She pushed the man out of her house.

Jeff- You’re getting ahead of me.  She had a gun.. And a phone.  She did what she could.  She grabbed her children and retreated to her bedroom.

Jeff- She recognized a threat and called police.

Rob- She took care of her physical security first, and then used her phone.

Jeff- Right.  The threat was not lethal, so she didn’t use lethal force.  Good for her.  I wish she had an alarm and a good lock on her solid bedroom door.

Rob- This is a good example because it shows how reluctant most of us are to use lethal force.  She stopped the threat without having to fire her gun.  We only pull the trigger about ten percent of the time, but most of those incidents don’t make the news.

Jeff – Our second story took place in Illinois.

Rob- Second Story–  Can you protect yourself as you walk in the park?  A retired 72 year old man was walking in the park early in the morning.  He walks almost every day.  This was an ordinary day until he left Eckersall Park on Chicago’s South Side.

That is where a robber drew a gun on the 72 year old man.  We don’t know what they said to each other.  We do know that the robber fired first.  The 72 year old man was shot in the arm.  That is when the 72 year old retired police officer drew his gun and fired back.  He hit the robber in the leg, and the robber ran.  Emergency medical services also took the wounded man, a retired deputy police chief, to the hospital.  Doctors are waiting to see if the gunshot may have damaged the nerves in his arm.  The wounded robber was arrested by police a short distance away and taken to the hospital.  The robber had a criminal record and was not a legal gun owner.

Jeff-  This story represents a Gun Fight, as opposed to a shooting where only 1 person discharges a firearm.

Our victim is a retired police officer.   He is tough and did not give up because he was shot.  As we get older we look more like prey.  Police are used to getting close to suspects and people in general.  If you are a retired police officer, you need to learn how to be a regular citizen.  You need to get some new training.  As a regular citizen you are not an investigator.  You do not need to get close to people.  Distance is your friend and your firearm works best at protecting you with appropriate distance.  You need to be aware of your environment (who is around me and what are they doing).  There is always the possibility that you will be injured.  Get some medical training and carry at least a tourniquet.  I recommend a SOFTT SOF Tourniquet as it is easier to carry.  Why improvise a tourniquet when manufactured tourniquets are not expensive and work so much better?  Win the race to 911.

Rob- Interesting that the chief was never shot in the line of duty, but was shot as a civilian.

Jeff-  Criminals aren’t stupid.  They target ordinary citizens, preferably the old and defenseless.  Thugs are going to have dozens of victims before the meet the police.  We are their usual victims, not the cops.  

Rob- That’s why we should be armed.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Pennsylvania.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you go to a concert at church?  Pastor Robert Cook and his family were leaving a concert at church.  It wasn’t his church, but  a church in Philadelphia.  The family was approached by an armed robber near the parking lot of Saint James Lutheran Church.  The robber carried a rifle and demanded the minister’s wallet.  The minister reached for his pocket, but the robber wasn’t satisfied.  The robber hit the minister in the head with rifle butt.  The minister staggered back a step.

Stephanie Cook said, “Once he backed off from my husband and my son, it might have been a foot, two feet or something like that, but he still had the gun in his hand, he wouldn’t drop it.  As long as he had that gun in his hand, I knew he was a threat.”  Before the robber could advance again, the minister’s wife drew her firearm and shot the robber.  The robber dropped his gun and ran.  Police found him seeking treatment at a local hospital.

The minister was bruised, but his wife and son were unharmed.

Jeff- Even though our victim is cooperating our victim is physically assaulted.  To be physically assaulted in this manner the distance must be close.  Work to put objects between you and the potential criminal.  Keep your distance it is your friend. The Violent Criminal Actor had a rifle.  Perhaps it looked like an umbrella from a distance.  Even if it looks like an umbrella avoid it as it costs you nothing to do so.  We teach a team family concept.  When something happens everyone has a role.  Remember the Brady bunch fire drill?  Family gets out of harm’s way. Mom with a gun moves to the criminal’s 7 or 8 o’clock position.  If things get too life threatening mom shoots criminal in the back or head to stop the attack.  Don’t touch the rifle when it falls on the ground as it is evidence.

We have a theme today.  Armed civilians usually don’t shoot.  When they do, the shots are not immediately fatal.  That was true for the retired police chief in the first story.  It is true for the robber in that story and also true for the robber in this story.

Rob- I noticed that Stephanie Cook was armed, but not the minister.

Jeff-  Let’s give them credit that one of them was armed.  Robbers prefer to attack women walking alone, so it makes sense that the woman had a gun.  It would have been best if both the man and women were armed, but since they were traveling together, it is better for the woman to be armed.  When a man and woman are walking together, criminals will attack the man first since the man is considered a greater physical threat.  That means the criminal focuses on the man, in this case the minister.  That let his wife and son step to the side.  She probably presented her firearm before the thief even knew what was happening.

Rob- So criminals suffer from tunnel vision the same way we do?  It doesn’t say who called police.  The report does say that the minister chased the thief.

Jeff- Let the police chase the bad guy.  Your job is to protect yourself and your family. Stephanie Cook did that.

Rob- Your next job is to call for help?

Jeff- That is the hard part.  We want to fight or run when we’re attacked.  We have to train ourselves to use the phone.  It isn’t easy to do when your adrenaline is flowing after a fight.

Rob- How do you train your students to call for help after they defend themselves?

Jeff- We try and incorporate after action motions and calls for help into every exercise.  You can always take a class.

Rob- The Self-Defense Radio Network includes Armed Lutheran Radio.  I hope the minister and the entire congregation is listening now.

Jeff-  Me too.

Rob- Exit-  That wraps up episode 34. Thank you for helping me today.  Jeff Street, where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- I teach in Naples, Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We give customized self-defense training as well as standard group classes.  You can also reach us by leaving a message on the my step by step gun training facebook page

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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