Episode 72 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 72. Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 72 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.   Happy Birthday.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been teaching and training.  We’re working both indoors and out.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Rob- Jeff, we have some listener feedback.  Clayton wanted to let us know that in this world of iPhones, Siri can call 911! I teach my students to practice calling 911.  You can gain experience by calling 911 when you see something suspicious as you drive.  

I’ve tried “Siri call 911/the police/the cops” and they all worked. Siri gives you a five second countdown to cancel if you didn’t mean to do it.

I’m not saying Siri is 100% reliable, but it’s another tool on your belt when you are in various situations when you don’t want to take your eyes off of. Like operating a vehicle, or holding someone at gunpoint!

Thank you, Clayton.

Jeff- You can use these stories to practice your 9111 calls.

Our first story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re standing behind the counter of your jewelry store.  It is three in the afternoon when three men burst through the front doors.  They have guns.  They start shouting for your money, so you back up towards the cash drawer.  One of the thugs hits you in the head with his pistol.  You stumble behind the counter and come up with the gun you keep there.  You shoot your attackers.  All three of them run.

You call for help.  EMS bandages the back of your head and neck.  The police tell you that one of the robbers went to the hospital.  One was dumped by the side of the road and died.  The police are looking for the third attacker.

 

Jeff- No remote door lock

3 men in a jewelry store is suspicious even without bursting in.

He had lots of time before this ever happened to mentally map possible scenarios.

No POGO

He bought a gun and stashed it.  The gun is a magic talisman to ward off evil.

He encountered a problem that was greater than he had prepared to handle.

He lost the distance initiative

He may have been able to issue a verbal challenge

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Columbia, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?

You’re sleeping at home with your girlfriend and your young son.  You hear someone break into the front of your house.  You grab a hammer and walk toward the sound.  You fight with the two intruders.  Then you run outside to your car and grab your gun.  You run back inside and shoot your two attackers.  They run.  Your son and girlfriend are shocked, but not hurt.  Your two attackers were arrested and taken to the hospital.

Jeff- this man had to run out of his home to get his self-defense tool..and then run back inside.  This man was lucky. I train my students to do a better job.

Rob- how was he lucky?

Jeff-He is lucky he survived a two-on-one attack.  What would have happened if he failed and the attackers had reached his girlfriend and child?

The front door was locked

Hammer as a defensive tool against 2 attackers

A Car is not a holster (guns used in crimes often times were stolen from parked cars).

He had to leave his loved ones with the attackers still in the house.

Gun with you

lock the door to your bedroom.

Girlfriend call the police.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Sarasota, Florida

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re working at your fast food job?

You’re working behind the counter at Pizza Hut.  It is late in the evening on a Tuesday night.  Two men wearing masks walk in and demand the money in the cash register.  You are armed.  One of the thugs points his gun at you.  Another one of the robbers starts hitting one of your co-workers.  You step behind the cash register as you draw your gun.  You shoot the nearest robber three times.  The other robber is running away before you can point your gun at him.

Police arrest the two robbers and their two accomplices when they went to the hospital seeking medical treatment.

Jeff- Problems get easier when you are properly prepared

Step to the side and draw shot the closest threat 3 times and the other threat left.

As soon as real resistance was shown our hero was in control.  

Our defender was only 22

We teach students that are too young to apply for their CCWL in FL

Jeff- Good that he had a gun on his body, and the defender was only 22 years old.

Rob- What skills do your students need to defend themselves like this?

Jeff-  safety, accuracy, presentation, movement, awareness and recognition,

Rob-  that is more than one class.

Jeff- several classes, and practice.  How well do you want to do in the real world exam?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com in Naples, Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  We share this podcast with you for free, and ask that you share it with a friend.  Please give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 62 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 62 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do in their situation?

Introduction- Rob- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 62 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

It’s great to talk with you again, Jeff.  What have you been up to?

 

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to exercise your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Jeff- Our first story took place last week in Decatur, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work? You work on the back dock of a roofing supply company.  You’re around construction and material handling equipment all day long as you move materials and set up customer’s orders.  It isn’t unusual to yell so you can hear each other over the noise of the equipment, but this yelling is different.  One of your customers is yelling at one of your co-workers.  You stop to see what is happening.  You see the customer pull a firearm and point the gun at one of your co-workers.  He isn’t showing off the gun, he is threatening to hurt your co-worker.  You draw your own gun and fire twice at the attacker.  Then you’re the one doing the shouting as you yell for someone to call the police.

Jeff, what would you tell your students if they were in this situation?

 

Jeff- This may be an example of involving yourself in the conflicts of others.   We don’t know all the details.  Was the employee the only one threatened by the customer?  How well do you know the involved coworker?  Are you willing to put your life in danger for them?  Can you assist without putting other coworkers in greater danger?

Rob- What do we need to know before we get involved?

Jeff- You need to figure these things out ahead of time.  Make a list of the people you would be willing to die for or spend the rest of your life in jail for.  My wife Robyn is on that list.  The world will miss her more than me.  Putting myself in jeopardy for someone else will potentially deprive my wife of me.

Rob- Should you protect strangers in a movie theater, but not in the mall?  Should you protect your mother in law, but not your brother in law?

Rob- What did the responder do correctly?

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in La Porte, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home in the evening?  Your daughter wanted to buy a cell phone.  She found a used one at a price she wanted to pay.  She agreed to meet the buyer at a public place.  The police have an area of their parking lot set up with cameras for trades like this.  They seller was late, so your daughter agreed to meet the seller at your home.

Your daughter asked to see the phone and make sure it worked before she handed over the money. Your wife was standing nearby, and the buyer grabbed your wife.  He grabbed your wife  by the hair and demanded the money.  Your wife yelled and you looked from inside your house.  Your daughter yelled that she’d go get the money from inside the house.  You saw the stranger with a gun pointed at your wife’s head.  You walked to the front steps and leaped at the buyer, knocking him away from your wife.  Rather than run away, the attacker again demanded the money.  You said you’d get it.  You walked inside and grabbed your handgun.  The attacker raised his gun as you came outside.  You shot him once in the low- center chest.  Now the attacker ran away.  The driver waiting in his car sped away with the injured attacker.  Now you call police.

Jeff- Late buyer should be a red flag.  We never invite strangers to our home.  Would have been better is someone involved in the exchange on the good guy side of the balance sheet had been armed.  

Rob-  When is lethal force justified, when is it necessary, and when is it advantageous?

Jeff- The criminal was armed.

Rob- That shows he threatened us with lethal force.  When should we shoot?

Jeff-  Low center chest was not an instant stop shot.  At that point. our violent criminal actor was convinced that retreat was a good option.   

Rob- I like it that he went hand to hand rather than stand there when his wife was threatened.

 

 

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you walk to your car?  

You had to get something from your car.  It is parked on the street.  It is almost noon, and two men approach you as you reach for the door.  One of the men has a gun.  They demand your car keys and wallet.  You are licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Chicago.  You’re armed.  You reach for your keys and then present your firearm.  You shoot the armed robber.  He drops his gun.  Both men run away.  You stop firing and call the police.

Jeff-  When approaching your car, you should give an extra look around.  Maybe they would not have selected you.  This is Chicago and they most likely believe that you are not armed.  I will not ever live in Chicago or any other gun unfriendly city.

Rob- What if he saw them.  What should he do next?

 

Jeff- Distraction worked.  Reaching into your pocket for the keys or putting them on the car might have diverted their attention and slowed their reaction time.  That gave the defender more time to act.

Rob- It sounds like only one of the attackers had a firearm.

Jeff- Notice that in the last case and this one both perpetrators were not immediately immobilized from a handgun wound (like in the movies).  Calling the police is very important.  We recommend the say little approach.  In order to accomplish the say little approach I recommend vigorous listening to SDGS and thinking about what you would tell 911, the arriving police, and your attorney after the fact.

 

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  My wife and I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can learn more about us at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as weekly group classes.  Our listeners can also find us on Facebook.

Rob- Please leave your comments and questions on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend.  It has been a couple months since we received a rating on on I-Tunes, so we can use your help.

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Episode 54 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 54 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction– Welcome to episode 54 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Ohio.

Rob- First story- Are you armed as you arrive home?  You’re a young woman and you are walking back home at 7:45 in the morning.  A man walks up beside you as you approach your apartment door.  He’s wearing a mask.  He has a gun.  You’re being robbed, right in front of you apartment in Cleveland, Ohio.  The robber tells you to open the door or he’ll shoot you.  He forces you inside.  He takes your purse, your keys, and your phone.  Then he walks upstairs.  He tries to rob the man living upstairs.  They fight.  The man living upstairs in the apartment grabs the robber’s gun and and shoots him several times.  The robber stumbles down stairs and falls to the floor.

The defender then calls for police and medical first responders.  The defender walks outside the apartment and waves to police.  He guides them to the crime scene. Police pronounced the robber dead at the scene.  The police say the robbers was using a stolen gun.

The two young children living in the apartment were not hurt.

Jeff- Walking home Awareness Looking Aware Flashlight

Be ready to drop or throw what is in your hand

She was forced let him in.  The robber was able the enter the building unannounced (except for noises made by the initial struggle outside the building.

The Defender grabs the robbers gun and uses it against the robber.  The repeated phrase “if you have a gun it will be used against you” comes to mind.  In reality guns are taken away from robbers and criminals by victims most often, not the other way around.  Law enforcement get their guns taken more often than non-LEOs because they have to get so close to criminals.

The gun was stolen.  Keep your guns on you or locked up.

Jeff- Our second story took place in Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you stop for gasoline at night?  It’s only 8:30 in the evening.  You pull into the gas station in Houston, Texas to buy gas and get a drink.  You’re walking up to the office when a stranger comes around the corner of the building.  He pulls a gun out of his pocket and points it at you.  He wants your wallet, your phone and your keys.  You fumble for a few seconds while the robber points his gun at you.  You step to the side and present your own firearm.  You shoot the robber several times.  The robber is shooting too.  The robber falls to the ground and you run back to your car.

Police arrive a few minutes later.  Your gun is back in its holster.  You walk up to them and say you defended yourself.  You have a permit to carry concealed.

Jeff- be the first person to call the police.  You want to make sure to say that you’re the victim and tell them what you look like.  This is really important in this situation.  What if someone else sees you shoot the robber and they give the police your description as the bad guy?  If the robber has your cell phone, then go inside the business and ask them to call the police.

Side step worked.  Corner of the building is dangerous.  Usually the doors are in the middle of the building.  Try to have a direct rout but avoid traps.

Just because your being shot at or shot doesn’t give you permission to give up.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Alabama.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home and at work?  You live where you work at your small boat store in Foley, Alabama.  With thirty to forty boats sitting outside, you need to be close by.  People come by at all hours looking for repair parts as well. That’s fine.  You have lots of regular customers after being here for ten years.

You were upstairs when you heard someone smash through the front of your store.  It’s dark outside so you can’t see what’s happening.  You stayed upstairs and grabbed your gun.  You retreated to your bedroom were looking for your cell phone.  Some big guy with an ax starts chopping his way through your bedroom door.   The intruder breaks down the door.  He is wearing a black bandana over his face.  You’re 77 years old, so you’re not going to wrestle with this guy.  The attacker comes toward you and you fire.  Your gun is really loud inside the small room, but you keep firing until the attacker stops.

Then you call police.  It is hard to dial the phone because your fingers are shaking.  It is hard to hear what the police say because it is hard to hear anything after shooting your gun indoors.

The police say your attacker died at the scene.  They pick up his two partners.  One was acting as a lookout, and the second was waiting in their getaway car.  The police admit you acted in self-defense.

Jeff- Motion sensor lights inside.  Cameras outside.  Cell phone always in familiar spot.  Electronic ear pro by the bed.  Silencer on defensive tools at home.

Jeff- Late at night.  Break in.  Where is your gun?

Rob- Should you turn on the light?

Rob- Exit- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  (any upcoming classes?)

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.


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Episode 45 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 45 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction Rob- Welcome to episode 45 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.  How have you been, Jeff?

Jeff – Hi, Rob.  Anything new in your gun/training world?

Rob- Jeff.  Finally got tax stamps for suppressors we bought 9 months prior.  We are already using the 22 suppressors for training.  

Jeff- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed on your way to the airport?

An Uber driver picked up an early morning fare and started on his way to the Fort Lauderdale airport.  There aren’t many cars on the road at 5:30 in the morning.  Their small car was cut off by a Dodge Caravan.  The larger car slammed on their brakes, and the two occupants got out of the Caravan.  The driver was armed, and walked toward the Uber driver.  This was a robbery, and the robber demanded the driver’s wallet, phone and keys.  The driver was a licensed concealed carry holder in the state of Florida.

News reports are not clear if the Uber driver remained in his car or if he got out.  The driver shot the armed robber four times.  That is when the robber fell to the ground.  The other robber ran, and the armed victim stopped firing.  The surviving robber drove away.  Neither the driver nor the passenger were injured.

The robbery vehicle was an overdue rental car.  The two robbers had robbed someone else an hour earlier.

Jeff These are talking points.  I will elaborate in conversation.

  1. Stay in your car.  Drive away.  Blast your horn. Call 911.  Push the panic button on your key fob.  Emergency Flashers.  Side windows with protective film.
  2.  Have you practiced drawing your gun from a seated position.  Do you own a blue gun?  How to deal with a seat belt.  
  3. Why get out of the car?  

Jeff- Our second story took place in New Mexico

Second Story-  Do you have a firearm nearby when you’re in bed?  A naked man tried to break into several Albuquerque homes late at night.  The intruder broke the bedroom window of an elderly couple’s home.  The couple was asleep in their bed.  The male homeowner grabbed a gun he keeps near the bed and shot the intruder several times.  The intruder ran.  He jumped several fences before neighbors saw him and reported him to police.

The intruder was captured and taken to a local hospital for treatment.  He had been drinking and was out on parole.  

The elderly homeowner had difficulty answering the police because he couldn’t hear their questions.

Jeff- These are talking points:

  • Our homeowner shot the intruder several times.  Then the intruder jumped several fences.  Getting shot in this case was only a deterrent.  Our homeowner was lucky.  We call that a psychological stop.  He was shot several times with better training maybe our homeowner would have better shot placement and less shots needed and a physical stop.
  • Flash light.
  • Team tactics.
  • Harden your home to help deter criminals and slow them down.  Window film, alarm system, lighting, door locks, security cameras, bolt your safe to the floor.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Georgia, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you are shopping or at work?  It is the holiday season.  A nail salon was very busy this evening with 10 employees and many customers.  Two armed robbers entered the store located in a strip mall west of Atlanta.  The robbers presented their firearms.  They threatened the employees and the customers.  They demanded money and other valuables.  One of the store employees was armed.

He shot one of the robbers.  Both robbers ran.  One drove away and left his wounded accomplice in a stand of trees.  Police dogs found the robber and his gun.  He was arrested and police are looking for his accomplice.

Rob- Will complying with the robber and giving him your money buy your safety?

 

  • You don’t get to know that.  What you get to know is that the criminal has threatened you with serious bodily injury or death.  Compliant people are murdered every year.
  • Now accurate shooting is more important.  You don’t have time to miss and you can’t afford to hit an innocent bystander.  Get with a trainer that can get you  to a competent level of speed and accuracy.
  • Blue guns are great for training to shoot from a seated position.  You probably don’t want to stand up and then draw your gun as you will draw attention to yourself.  In a case like this it would probably be ok if the 1st clue the criminal has that you are armed is the criminal getting shot.
  • Team tactics training for employees.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff Our listeners can contact me at

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff- If you like this podcast, then please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 34 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 34 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 33 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  The network includes the polite society podcast, handgun world, and modern self protection, and gun freedom radio.   I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by my friend and self-defense instructor Jeff Street.  What have you been up to, Jeff?Jeff Street

Jeff – Hi, Rob.  It was great to meet you and your wife at the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  I met so many people that I’ve read, listened to trained with.  Now I saw them face to face.  Everyone should go to GRPC if they can.  It is in Dallas next September.

I have to say, hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in Maine.

Rob- First story-  Can you protect your family in the middle of the night?  A woman and her two children were asleep in their home.  They live in Waterboro, Maine.  The woman’s 6 year old daughter was having trouble sleeping, so the young girl climbed into bed with mom.  Her 5 year old son was asleep on the couch.  Just after midnight, the woman was woken up by a stranger shining a flashlight in her face.  Her first reaction was to say, “I have a gun and I’m not afraid to use it and you need to leave.”

The woman pulled her children into her bedroom and grabbed her gun.  With her gun in her hand, she pushed the man out of her house.  That is when she realized that the man wasn’t a stranger, but was her neighbor.  Her neighbor is mentally disturbed and this night was drunk.

The woman call the sheriff.  While she was on the phone, the neighbor tried to enter the back door and cut himself.  The drunk neighbor then entered the front door that he’d kicked in a few minutes before.  Fortunately, the deputies arrived before the woman had to use lethal force.

The neighbor was arrested and taken into custody and charged with trespass and criminal mischief for breaking into the home.

Jeff-  This woman performed well considering the circumstances.  I’m really glad that she did not shoot her neighbor.  We need to practice our verbal commands short clear and with authority.

Rob- She did more than use words.  She got in a shoving match while she had a gun in her hand.

Jeff-  She got very close to him and may have been overpowered.

Her 1st clue was a flashlight in her face.  She didn’t have a gun or a flashlight at that time.  You need your gun near you at night.  It needs to be ready to be attached to your body.  We stage fire extinguishers we carry our guns and keep them close to us at all times.  You also need to have a quality flashlight to make sure it is not your kids or somebody else who does not need to get shot.

We can learn from this and create better circumstances for ourselves.

1st harden the target.  Low budget hooks and cowbells on the doors and windows.  Bigger budget steel doors, dead bolts, motion sensor lights inside and outside, alarm system, cameras, dog that will bark.

Slow the invader down, cause the invader to make noise.  Lock your bedroom door.  Have your Flashlight, Gun, and phone handy.  Try to get set up such that before you see the intruder you know its an intruder and you can call 911.

She escalated her response in stages.  She tried her words.  She said she had a gun and told the intruder to leave.

Rob- I noticed that she got her gun, but still didn’t shoot.  She pushed the man out of her house.

Jeff- You’re getting ahead of me.  She had a gun.. And a phone.  She did what she could.  She grabbed her children and retreated to her bedroom.

Jeff- She recognized a threat and called police.

Rob- She took care of her physical security first, and then used her phone.

Jeff- Right.  The threat was not lethal, so she didn’t use lethal force.  Good for her.  I wish she had an alarm and a good lock on her solid bedroom door.

Rob- This is a good example because it shows how reluctant most of us are to use lethal force.  She stopped the threat without having to fire her gun.  We only pull the trigger about ten percent of the time, but most of those incidents don’t make the news.

Jeff – Our second story took place in Illinois.

Rob- Second Story–  Can you protect yourself as you walk in the park?  A retired 72 year old man was walking in the park early in the morning.  He walks almost every day.  This was an ordinary day until he left Eckersall Park on Chicago’s South Side.

That is where a robber drew a gun on the 72 year old man.  We don’t know what they said to each other.  We do know that the robber fired first.  The 72 year old man was shot in the arm.  That is when the 72 year old retired police officer drew his gun and fired back.  He hit the robber in the leg, and the robber ran.  Emergency medical services also took the wounded man, a retired deputy police chief, to the hospital.  Doctors are waiting to see if the gunshot may have damaged the nerves in his arm.  The wounded robber was arrested by police a short distance away and taken to the hospital.  The robber had a criminal record and was not a legal gun owner.

Jeff-  This story represents a Gun Fight, as opposed to a shooting where only 1 person discharges a firearm.

Our victim is a retired police officer.   He is tough and did not give up because he was shot.  As we get older we look more like prey.  Police are used to getting close to suspects and people in general.  If you are a retired police officer, you need to learn how to be a regular citizen.  You need to get some new training.  As a regular citizen you are not an investigator.  You do not need to get close to people.  Distance is your friend and your firearm works best at protecting you with appropriate distance.  You need to be aware of your environment (who is around me and what are they doing).  There is always the possibility that you will be injured.  Get some medical training and carry at least a tourniquet.  I recommend a SOFTT SOF Tourniquet as it is easier to carry.  Why improvise a tourniquet when manufactured tourniquets are not expensive and work so much better?  Win the race to 911.

Rob- Interesting that the chief was never shot in the line of duty, but was shot as a civilian.

Jeff-  Criminals aren’t stupid.  They target ordinary citizens, preferably the old and defenseless.  Thugs are going to have dozens of victims before the meet the police.  We are their usual victims, not the cops.  

Rob- That’s why we should be armed.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Pennsylvania.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you go to a concert at church?  Pastor Robert Cook and his family were leaving a concert at church.  It wasn’t his church, but  a church in Philadelphia.  The family was approached by an armed robber near the parking lot of Saint James Lutheran Church.  The robber carried a rifle and demanded the minister’s wallet.  The minister reached for his pocket, but the robber wasn’t satisfied.  The robber hit the minister in the head with rifle butt.  The minister staggered back a step.

Stephanie Cook said, “Once he backed off from my husband and my son, it might have been a foot, two feet or something like that, but he still had the gun in his hand, he wouldn’t drop it.  As long as he had that gun in his hand, I knew he was a threat.”  Before the robber could advance again, the minister’s wife drew her firearm and shot the robber.  The robber dropped his gun and ran.  Police found him seeking treatment at a local hospital.

The minister was bruised, but his wife and son were unharmed.

Jeff- Even though our victim is cooperating our victim is physically assaulted.  To be physically assaulted in this manner the distance must be close.  Work to put objects between you and the potential criminal.  Keep your distance it is your friend. The Violent Criminal Actor had a rifle.  Perhaps it looked like an umbrella from a distance.  Even if it looks like an umbrella avoid it as it costs you nothing to do so.  We teach a team family concept.  When something happens everyone has a role.  Remember the Brady bunch fire drill?  Family gets out of harm’s way. Mom with a gun moves to the criminal’s 7 or 8 o’clock position.  If things get too life threatening mom shoots criminal in the back or head to stop the attack.  Don’t touch the rifle when it falls on the ground as it is evidence.

We have a theme today.  Armed civilians usually don’t shoot.  When they do, the shots are not immediately fatal.  That was true for the retired police chief in the first story.  It is true for the robber in that story and also true for the robber in this story.

Rob- I noticed that Stephanie Cook was armed, but not the minister.

Jeff-  Let’s give them credit that one of them was armed.  Robbers prefer to attack women walking alone, so it makes sense that the woman had a gun.  It would have been best if both the man and women were armed, but since they were traveling together, it is better for the woman to be armed.  When a man and woman are walking together, criminals will attack the man first since the man is considered a greater physical threat.  That means the criminal focuses on the man, in this case the minister.  That let his wife and son step to the side.  She probably presented her firearm before the thief even knew what was happening.

Rob- So criminals suffer from tunnel vision the same way we do?  It doesn’t say who called police.  The report does say that the minister chased the thief.

Jeff- Let the police chase the bad guy.  Your job is to protect yourself and your family. Stephanie Cook did that.

Rob- Your next job is to call for help?

Jeff- That is the hard part.  We want to fight or run when we’re attacked.  We have to train ourselves to use the phone.  It isn’t easy to do when your adrenaline is flowing after a fight.

Rob- How do you train your students to call for help after they defend themselves?

Jeff- We try and incorporate after action motions and calls for help into every exercise.  You can always take a class.

Rob- The Self-Defense Radio Network includes Armed Lutheran Radio.  I hope the minister and the entire congregation is listening now.

Jeff-  Me too.

Rob- Exit-  That wraps up episode 34. Thank you for helping me today.  Jeff Street, where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- I teach in Naples, Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We give customized self-defense training as well as standard group classes.  You can also reach us by leaving a message on the my step by step gun training facebook page

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on ITunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 24 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 24 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- We’re back with episode 24 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

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Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  We want to inform you about the news, and inspire you to defend the people you love.  Our first story took place this month late at night in Detroit.

First story-  A 37 year old man stopped his car at a traffic light when he noticed the car next to him.  The passenger in that car had a gun.. And the gun was pointed at our 37 year old driver.  He was being carjacked.  The armed robber told the driver to get out of his car.  The victim did.  He waited for the robber to get out of his car as well.  That is when the victim drew his legally concealed firearm and shot the armed robber.  The robber and his driver fled.  The victim called police.

Jeff- There are a lot of details we don’t know here.  So we are going to give him the benefit of doubt, atta boy.  It says he got out of his car, but it does not say why he got out of his car.  If you are in your car when threatened and you can drive away then that is the best defense.   

A friend of mine was forced off the road in a road rage incident.  The driver of the other car got out and was pounding the windshield of my friends car with his fists.  My friend popped his car in reverse and made his escape.

Someone tried to carjack me once late at night. I was stopped at a red light with no other traffic at all.  My car doors were locked.  The suspect walked off the curb and started to reach for my door handle.  I looked in my rearview and saw no cars, so I backed up and away from the suspect.  He walked back to the curb.  I drove back to the light.  He walked back to my car. I backed up again. Finally the light turned green and I went home.

In our story, our armed defender got out of his car.  If he got out of the car when he could have driven away, then it might look to a prosecutor like a mutual combat situation.  This would be akin to 2 guys in a bar saying let’s go outside and settle this.

Rob-  What else can we do to avoid being a target when we drive.

Jeff- I try to stop so I can see the bottom of the rear wheels of the car in front of me.

That might aid in evasion.   Even if i was boxed in a tiny bit of reverse would change my shot angle to my advantage.   Honking the car horn may offer a distraction and draw witnesses or help.

We assume the armed defender was carrying his gun in a holster.  He was probably very close to the attacker when he had to present his firearm and shoot.  Carrying your gun in front of you, called appendix carry, offers the fastest draw.  There might be a better option.  If you carry your gun at your side then you could turn your body slightly and get your hand on your weapon before your attacker even knows  you’re drawing a gun.  

Then, our defender needs to get his gun up to eye level and make some some fight-ending shots.

Time is everything in this situation.  In the words of firearms instructor John Hearn “If you can make your opponent think about what you are doing to him instead of what he needs to do to you, then you have largely won the fight.”

Our second story took place near Atlanta, Georgia.

Second Story-  A couple were sleeping in their bed at 4 in the morning.  They heard a strange noise which woke them up.  The husband got out of bed and called the police.  He also retrieved his legally owned handgun.  The sounds grew louder, and the husband shot an intruder as the intruder climbed into their master bathroom through a second story window.  The intruder retreated the way he’d come.

Police did not find the intruder, but they saw the ladder the intruder used to get onto a first story roof.  The police found the intruder lying dead on the roof.  The victims did not know the intruder.

Jeff- Again without more details this one gets an atta boy.  We can do a little better by getting our handgun 1st  and calling 911 2nd.  Shot placement looks like it was good in that it quickly ended the fight.

This situation is common enough that we’ve learned to keep ladders in your garage not in your yard.

Let’s eliminate some really bad advice.  The perpetrator fell outside the window after being shot. The horrible advice is that if the perpetrator falls outside the window pull the body inside so that it will look like you shot them inside.  Wow!  Don’t do it.  Talk about tampering with evidence.

Rob- Gun store myth.  Mantle of innocence. Cops deal with liars all day long. Don’t be one.

Jeff- Our third story takes place early morning in Kentucky.

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Third story-  An elderly Kentucky homeowner heard a woman knocking on his front door and crying for help.  It was about 5 in the morning.   Even though this homeowner had just gotten out of bed, he was thinking already.  He had been robbed before, so this time he answered the door with his gun in hand.  As soon as he turned the doorknob, a young man pushed the door in and pointed his gun at the homeowner’s head.  The homeowner raised his gun and fired four shots.  The robber dropped to the ground and never moved.  The female decoy was also shot in the arm.  She fled.  The victim called police.  The decoy and the female getaway driver were arrested at the local hospital.

Jeff-  This is another go team moment.  I recommend a surveillance camera.  I have them and use them so I would have seen that there was more than 1 person outside.  Cameras are so cheap now.  If your camera is all of the sudden out of order don’t open the door.  Call 911 and yell through the door that the police are on the way.  Even when i’m expecting company I check the cameras before answering the door.  If I ever felt the need to answer the door for a stranger, my gun would already be in my hand.

Rob- Close quarters.  Dim light.  The door gets pushed in.  You have fractions of a second to see and recognize a gun and multiple attackers.  That is a lot to deal with.  If you’ve never thought about it happening to you then you won’t have time to solve it in the moment.  

Jeff- You have time to prepare today.  Yeah, this attack is typical and what we should expect.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff Street, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- I teach in Naples, Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We provide customized training as well as standard group classes.  You can also reach us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Rob- You can also wish Jeff a Happy Birthday on our facebook page.  If you liked our discussion of the news, then please share our podcast with a friend and rate the podcast on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 16 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 16 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

SelfDefenseGunStories_Header_v2-2Introduction- Welcome to episode 16 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m your host Rob Morse.  This week we’re joined by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  Our first example took place last month in Oklahoma.

First story-  A woman called the Tulsa police because a man was acting very oddly.  The stranger was rolling around in her yard and then knocking on her door.  A second neighbor called police because the strange man was hiding in her bushes.  She thought the stranger was intoxicated.  A 70  year old man was working in his yard when the intoxicated stranger hit the homeowner from behind.  The stranger hit the homeowner in the head again, knocking the homeowner down.  The strange man then sat on the homeowner’s chest and continued to beat him.  The homeowner drew his gun.  He shot the stranger, and the stranger stopped beating the 70 year old homeowner.   Police arrived within minutes.  The victim was not charged with a crime.

Jeff- The neighbors that called 911 and stayed in their homes were wise.  I want all my neighbors the be well trained, then maybe they can stop the Violent Criminal Actor before I have to. Our elderly man was wearing a gun but unaware or in denial of the potential danger.  He probably hasn’t had much training.  If he had he most likely would have noticed the odd behavior and avoided it by going inside.  The elderly and disabled are a special class.  Much more likely to be believed as victims.  I don’t dye my hair, partly because my grey hair makes me more believable as a victim and more likely to be shown respect by authorities. This case looks similar the the final moments of the George Zimmerman incident.   Very clearly justifiable as self defense.

Our next story takes place in Florida.

Second Story- A man and a woman were were sitting in their car outside a bar in a Plant City, Florida.  The man was sitting behind the wheel when a 19 year old male got out of his truck, and pointed a gun at the couple. The couple did not know their attacker.  The male driver drew his own firearm and shot the robber.

Jeff-  Who is going to be the designated armed driver tonight?

In Florida you are not allowed to carry a gun in a bar.  We don’t know where this fellow had his gun.  He was able to get to it quickly. Probably had the widow down.

Looks like hormones and alcohol were at play. John Farnam says don’t hang out in stupid places with stupid people at stupid times.  This may have qualified as a trifecta.

John Farnam also teaches a vehicle defense class which when done right by someone like John is very valuable.  Sometimes I need to talk to clients from my parked car. I always back in so I can see better and I am able to drive away.  My doors are locked.  My windows are up and my car is running.  Not great for gas milage but life is precious.

In Florida you are not allowed to carry a gun in a bar.  We don’t know where this fellow had his gun.  He was able to get to it quickly.

Our next story takes place in Indiana

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Third story-  A 19 year old thief ran into two armed victims.  In the first incident, the thief tried to rob a woman as she walked up to her home.  The thief presented his gun, and the intended victim presented a gun of her own.  The thief ran.  The intended victim called police.

A few minutes later, a homeowner confronted the same thief as the thief entered his home uninvited.  Again, the thief presented his gun, and the intended victim presented his gun in defense.  The thief ran.  Kokomo police found the suspect, along with a stolen handgun and stolen property.

Jeff- Looks like the 1st woman had her gun on her as she was about to enter her home.  We tell our students to stay in condition yellow all the way into their home until they have cleared it and locked it back up for the night.  Don’t forget to turn on the Alarm.

The second homeowner probably was wearing his gun at home.  In neither case did anyone get shot.  Authorities often tell us (not as much as they used to) to cooperate with the attacker.  They say that you can’t win against a drawn gun.  Without proper training people win quite often.  With proper training their odds go up enormously.  

There is a podcast, maybe you have heard of it?  Its called the Polite Society Podcast.  If every law abiding citizen  was properly trained and armed at all times I think we would live in a Polite Society.  

Exit- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Jeff- I teach in Naples, Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

Rob- Listeners can talk to us on our facebook page.  

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 8 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 8 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Welcome to episode 8 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Jeff Street.  Hello, Jeff.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Jeff- Our first example took place last week in Indianapolis.

First story-  A female homeowner heard glass breaking just after noon.  She called her husband, grabbed her gun, and walked towards the sound which was coming from her baby’s room.  That is when an armed intruder came out of the child’s room with a gun in his hands.  The intruder fired two shots.  The homeowner returned fire and hit the intruder several times.  The entire event was over in seconds.  From there, the news isn’t clear if the intruder ran or was incapacitated at the scene.

Jeff- Why studying DGUs is so important.  Novel stimuli will get you killed because don’t have time to ponder what is happening.

Horse and rider, rider is the rational mind, and the horse is your emotional or instinctive mind.  Emotional mind vs Rational mind.  Example: when driving a car it feels unnatural to steer into a skid.

Second Story-  A male apartment resident was at home with his eight month old son.  It was just after 9pm when the occupant heard someone banging on the door and trying to get into the apartment.  The resident got his firearm and called police.  The apartment occupant repeatedly told the intruder to leave.  The occupant shot the intruder when he broke out a window and started to climb into the apartment.

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Third story-  An escaped murderer attacked a father and his 5 year old son as the two were getting into their car at four in the morning.  The attacker forced them back into their home.  The murderer tied up the husband and wife.  The husband fought with the intruder.  The husband was stabbed in the shoulder.  The wife got the family firearm from another room, returned, and shot the intruder.  The wife untied her husband.  He shot their attacker again as he moved towards them.  The couple grabbed their child and fled into the street.  Police entered the home and found the murderer dead at the scene.

Jeff: Train by relating at an emotional level and putting yourself in their position.  Then put yourself in their position with your skills and tools.  Think about how you handle the aftermath, 911. Re-holster. Arriving police. CYA can you articulate? Then think about avoidance. Civilian ROEs vs Police, Home ROE vs outside, Pre vs Post Shall issue CCW Home vs Public

Exit- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?Jeff Street

Jeff- I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find us at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

Rob- That reminds me.  Listeners can talk to us on our facebook page.  We post transcripts and links to these stories on our web page at self defense gun stories dot com,

I’m Rob Morse.  For guests and the entire crew, please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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