Episode 58 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 58 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jenna Meek joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do in their situation?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 58 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.

Hi, Jenna.  How have you been?

Jenna- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy as usual!  ‘Tis the season to get back to the range after a long winter break, which has been great!  Lots of private classes on the calendar and we’re excited to host John Farnam of Defense Training International at the end of the month!

Rob- One of our listeners wrote in.  Greg said,

“for those who forgot to lock the front door or just like the added feature of it, about a year ago we had to replace our front door lock, so we went with the auto locking deadbolt by Schlage, it automatically locks after 30sec and beeps if someone fiddles with the door.

I’m always Armed at home or out for that matter, and that is from Greg.

I posted a link to that lock in our show notes- http://consumer.schlage.com/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?ModelNumber=FE575%20PLY%20619%20FLA

Jenna- Locks have to be set, alarms have to be turned on, and guns have to be worn or they aren’t much good.

That tip is from a regular listener, Greg.  Let me take a minute to say hi to our new listeners.  We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Jenna- Our first story took place this month in Ohio.

First story-  Is your gun accessible late at night when you’re at home? It is almost midnight on a Friday night in Cleveland, Ohio. You’re in your room upstairs when you hear someone else in your house.  You hear them opening and closing the drawers and the closet doors downstairs.  You grab your handgun and walk downstairs.  You see an intruder, and tell him not to move.  He moves.  You shoot him.  The intruder runs to your ground floor bathroom and locks himself inside.  The robber opens the bathroom window and climbs out.  You recognize the robber as a young man who works in a local pizza parlor.  You call the police.  The police open the bathroom door, but the robber is gone.  He bled all over the bathroom and the police are looking for him.

Of course you had your gun.  You have your Ohio Concealed Carry permit.  You used to work at a barbershop, and the owner required barbers to get their concealed carry licenses for their own protection..

Jenna- Locks?  We just talked about the importance of locking your doors.  Were the doors to this home locked?  How was the gun stored?  It sounds like it was easy enough to get to, so that’s half the battle.  Why go downstairs unless you have children or people with bedrooms down stairs and maybe you thought that the other family members might be the ones going through stuff down there.  In that case, maybe the homeowner was going to see who was up and about late at night…  We all know how much I love the option of sheltering in place and calling for help, I will reiterate, that is always the best option if it is practical for your particular situation.  

Rob- If the robber is armed, you just walked into a gunfight.  You could lose.

 

Jenna- Our second story took place in Arkansas.

Second Story-  Are you armed on the street. You’re walking down a residential street in a small housing subdivision about 30 miles north of Little Rock.  You hear someone shout and you turn to see them.  Two men are fighting.  One of them falls to the ground.  The other one, he isn’t hitting him.  He is stabbing him.  You yell for the attacker to stop.  You draw your firearm and point it at the attacker.  You call police.  The police arrest the attacker and EMTs take the wounded man to the hospital.

You wonder if you should have gotten involved. You’re a Lieutenant in the United States Air Force Reserves stationed in Little Rock.  You wonder what your commanding officer might say.  The Austin police chief said your actions saved a life. The Lieutenant is a perfect example of a responsible concealed carry permit holder.  He acted heroically in the face of extreme danger and avoided a tragedy.”  You hope your CO believes the chief.

Jenna- Protecting a third party is physically and legally dangerous. I have hundreds of hours of professional training under my belt and I would have to think long and hard before I were to jump in the middle of a situation like this.  Not to be harsh, but I carry to protect myself and those that I love.  Risking my liberty for a third party could very likely hurt me and my family.  I am all for helping others, but at what expense?

Rob- Police tell us again and again that they stop a family fight, and then the victim refuses to testify.

Jenna-  I also need to know the ENTIRE situation before I am going to jump in.  We’ve heard of countless examples of cases of mistaken identities and third parties getting involved when they should not have.  For example the undercover officer taking down a drug dealer.  In this situation the cop was almost shot because of mistaken identity.  Not something I want on my conscience.

 

Jenna- Our third story took place in Iowa.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  It happened before when you were away.  People broke into one of your family homes.  Now, you’re sleeping in the home a few nights a month.  Tonight you’re sleeping in the basement bedroom where it is cool and comfortable in Des Moines.  You hear someone come downstairs.  It is just before midnight, and you grab your gun and turn on the lights.  There is a woman standing in your house and she is wearing a headlamp and gloves.

You tell her to get out and push her upstairs.  You’re 71 years old.  When you’re outside, the woman turns on you and starts to choke you.  You shoot her once in the abdomen.  Then you call police.

Jenna-  Locks?  This seems to be a common theme this week.  Please lock your doors, people.  

Rob- Where did he keep his gun while he slept downstairs?

Jenna- I have to think that a woman wearing a headlamp and gloves is up to no good shortly before midnight in a house that she should not be in.  

Rob-  Yes, but is she a threat?

Jenna- I like that the homeowner started off with a degree of force that he felt necessary to protect himself, physically removing the woman by pushing her.  Maybe he should not have gone outside with her at that point.  I also believe that by the time he was being choked that deadly force was an appropriate response.  I am also guessing that there was enough disparity of force (woman was much younger and maybe also more physically sound) to warrant deadly force at that point.

Rob- Should we call police first?  I don’t know.  I was never trained to point a gun at someone as I walked through my house and forced them upstairs.  Are they a threat at that point?

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jenna- Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 48 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 48 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jenna Meek joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 48 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for the many people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.

Jenna- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We’ll report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Oklahoma.

First story-  Are you armed at home early in the morning?  Two homeowners were surprised at 6:30 in the morning on New Year’s eve.  They opened their door to find an armed stranger standing in their hallway.  We don’t know if the homeowners in Norman Oklahoma had ever seen the intruder before, but they sure didn’t expect to see him in their home at that hour.  One of the occupants confronted the strange intruder.  The intruder had studied martial arts, and the two men fought.  The second homeowner grabbed a gun and shot the intruder one time.  The intruder broke away from the homeowner and collapsed.

The homeowners called police.  Police said the intruder had a record of criminal convictions including burglary, robbery and domestic abuse-assault and battery.

Jenna- Luckily for the homeowners they outnumbered the bad guy.  It also seems like the physical altercation gave the 2nd homeowner time enough to get a gun into the fight, if they were not already armed.  I think that was a good call since things had gotten physical and the intruder had some martial arts training under his belt.

Rob- It doesn’t say if this was a break in.  Was the door locked?

Jenna- Not sure that the door being locked or not makes a difference.  “Castle Doctrine” laws differ from place to place.  My best advice is know what you are legally allowed to do and act within those boundaries a manner that you can morally live with.  The big point is that you need to be able to explain why you did what you did.  No matter if the door is locked or not. This is just one of the reasons that training on the law is so important!

Rob- I figured a broken door is a poor man’s intruder alarm.

Jenna- Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?  A homeowner in Tanglewood, Texas woke to the sound of breaking glass.  At 4:30 in the morning he didn’t expect that sound.  He got out of bed and grabbed his gun.  Then the armed homeowner opened his bedroom door.  He saw a man climbing in his livingroom window.  The homeowner fired once and the burglar ran.

Police arrested the intruder a few houses away.

Jenna- Having a gun nearby seems to be key in this scenario.  Sounds like the homeowner was able to diffuse the situation before it was able to get worse.  Do we know if he was struck by the shot that the homeowner fired?

Rob- The homeowner watched the intruder enter his home.  The intruder was several steps inside when the homeowner fired.  The homeowner said it took him that long to be sure the intruder wasn’t someone he knew.

Jenna- The only other way this may have been better is for the homeowner to barricade where he was with his gun and call 911.  However, we don’t know if there were family members in the house (kids) to worry about and it seems like keeping the intruder from getting inside might have been a better option.  Either way, it does not sound as if anyone was hurt in this scenario.  

 

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Jenna- Our third story also took place in Texas.

Third story- Are you armed at home in the evening.  A 74 year old grandmother was watching the evening news.  She stood up from her chair and a robber surprised her and put a gun in her face.  Grandma reached for a gun she keeps next to her chair.  She pointed the gun at the robber and the robber ran.

Jenna-  I love hearing stories about Grandmas defending themselves!  So glad she had quick access to that firearm.  I do wonder if she had such quick access and the intruder was already in the house how she managed to keep the gun away from him though.  Do we know how the gun was kept?  Holster etc…

Rob- It was sitting on a table, so the intruder could have grabbed it as easily as grandma.

Rob- Who explains how to carry a gun for defense.

Jenna- I lead that discussion.  The new students don’t know what they don’t know.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jenna-  I instruct in Castle Rock, Colorado.  

Rob- That is between Denver and Colorado Springs?

Jenna- Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.
I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 40 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 40 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 40 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is proud to be part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and this week we are here with self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.  Hi, Jenna.Jenna Meek

Jenna – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in Kentucky.

First story-  I’ve heard people say that they will only wear their firearm if they go someplace where they’d be at risk, so are you armed at home on an ordinary Friday afternoon?  A homeowner heard someone trying to get into her house.  The thieves tried to open the front door for several minutes.  They made plenty of noise even though it was three in the afternoon in a tree lined a Louisville, Kentucky suburb.  Then  the thieves went to the back door and tried again.  The homeowner grabbed the gun she’d bought last year.  It seemed like hours, but was actually less than 30 minutes until the robbers concluded no one was home and broke the window on the back door.  The female homeowner shot the intruder as he entered her home.  He died at the scene.  His accomplice was arrested for armed burglary and murder during the commission of a felony.  There is no mention if the homeowner calling police before the break in.

Jenna – I am glad that the homeowner is ok.  I also can’t help thinking that if she had 30 minutes warning that I hope in that time frame she had called the Police.  

Jenna- Our second story took place in Oregon.

Second Story-  Are you armed at your camp site in the woods?  A couple returned to their campsite after dark.  The man was driving.  He parked their truck at the remote campsite outside of Butte Falls, Oregon.  That is when a man approached them out of the darkness.  Their attacker alternately pointed his pistol and flashlight at the man and woman.  Then he shot at the man, and missed.  The male victim ran to the passenger side of the car.  The female victim retrieved a loaded rifle from the truck and handed it to her male companion.  Both of them moved into the darkness away from the truck.  Their attacker pursued them.  The male victim shot the attacker as he walked around the corner of the truck.  The armed attacker was shot in the chest and shoulder.  He died at the scene.

The attacker was an ex-boyfriend of the woman.  The attacker was convicted of multiple violent  felonies, including manslaughter and possession of a weapon by a prohibited person.

Jenna- In this situation, other than the female victim handing off the rifle, I think the victims did it right.  They tried to get out of the situation and took action when plan “A” failed.  

Jenna- Our third story took place in Georgia

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Third story- Is your gun with you when you’re at home taking a nap?  A 78 year old grandmother was sitting down for an afternoon nap.  Then she heard someone banging at her front door.  That isn’t how friends come calling in Coweta County, Georgia, so grandma grabbed her pistol and loaded it.  As she stepped into the hall, she saw two strangers standing in her house.  They looked at her and saw a woman with a gun in her hand.  The two robbers ran.  Grandma called the police.

The two men and their female getaway car driver were arrested nearby.   Police found evidence of prior burglaries in the car including a stolen gun.  One of the robbers was a convicted felon and so an unlawful possessor of the firearm.

Jenna-  Quick thinking by grandma.  It’s not easy to have a clear mind when being awakened suddenly, by anything, let alone a bang on the door.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Jenna-  Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 26 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 26 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 26 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse.  This week I’m joined by self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.  Hi Jenna.

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Jenna- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and inspire you to defend the people you love.  Our first story took place last month in Pennsylvania.

First story-  A Pittsburgh, homeowner heard glass breaking at 2AM.  The homeowner grabbed his gun and walked toward the sound.  He saw two robbers in his kitchen and yelled for them to leave.  The two robbers left the way they had come, through his kitchen window and back down a fire escape.  No shots were fired.

Jenna- Not a lethal force incident, so no shots fired.

Also, good for the homeowner for reacting.  We don’t believe the first sound we hear.  We listen for confirmation.  Don’t lay there in bed when you hear a sound.  Grab your gun.  Grab your flashlight.  Grab your phone and grab your family.

Sleep inertia makes us idiots.  That is why you want to have the reaction routine committed to practiced memory.  If you have a gun for self-defense, then please practice getting your gun, your light, your phone and your family in the daylight.  Rehearse it as you would a fire drill.

Please do me a favor and learn to use a flashlight with your firearm. It is way too easy to get your support hand in front of your gun.  Work these things out with an instructor in the daylight.

Rob- What is the proportion of your students who are interested in handgun as opposed to using a long gun for home defense?

Second Story-  A couple were house sitting for a friend while she was out of town.  The slept in the house at night.  One night, a stranger entered the home and then kicked in the bedroom door.  The man shot the intruder.  The intruder fled.  The house sitters called police.  They picked up the intruder nearby.  He was the ex-boyfriend of the homeowner.  He wounded intruder was taken to a local hospital for treatment of non-life threatening injuries.

Jenna-Flashlight, Low light, Gun near you, Cell phone.  Do you know your address so you can call the police?

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Third story-  A delivery driver and his wife were delivering bread to a local market.  They walked out of the market to find someone taking bread from their truck.  The driver told the robber to stay back.  The robber put his hand into his pocket and walked towards the driver.  The driver presented his firearm and shot the robber.  The driver has his carry license and he called the police.  The police transported the robber to the hospital and to jail.  The police released the driver to finish his deliveries.

This isn’t about baked bread, is it.

Jenna- Threat to property vs threat to your live and your loved ones.

Know what to say to the police.

Know what not to say to the police.

Have a lawyer you can call.

Have you practiced drawing your gun so you know how much time and distance you need to stop a threat?  Is it 10 feet or is it 500 feet?  Do you know what that distance looks like?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna Meek, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jenna-  Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna- If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 19 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 19 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.


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 Rob- Welcome to episode 19 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.

Jenna- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Our first example took place this month in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

First story-  Several months ago, a young woman was deliberately hit in the head by her boyfriend.  Police issued a warrant for his arrest.  He was not arrested, and he continued to threaten the woman and her child.  The woman felt safer after she and her daughter moved in with her 76 year old father.

Early on a weekday morning last week, the ex-boyfriend broke out the family room window of their new home.  The ex-boyfriend was armed.  So was the woman’s father.  The father shot the armed intruder several times in the legs.  That stopped his advance.  The ex-boyfriend will be arrested when he is released from the hospital.

Jenna-  How long would it take you to get your gun at night?

Can you shoot accurately when it is dark and you can’t see your gunsights?

The next story takes place in Peoria, Arizona.

Second Story-  Two robbers came into a Peoria smoke shop at 5 in the evening.  One of the robbers was carrying a handgun and had his face covered with a bandana.  They demanded money from the cash register.  The store clerk was giving them the money when another store employee in a back room saw what was happening.  The second employee grabbed a gun and started firing.  Both robbers fled.  The robbers shot back, but no one was hit.

Jenna-  Can you shoot accurately and make your first shot count?

The next story takes place in Everett, Washington.

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Third story-  They had trouble before when the house in Everett, Washington had been burglarized and a firearm stolen.  This time, two masked and armed robbers kicked in the front door just before 5 in the morning.  The robbers held the residents at gunpoint and sprayed them with pepper spray.  A room mate heard the attack, and came out of his room with his gun drawn.  He saw his roommates held at gunpoint, and fired.  He killed one of the robbers, but the second robber escaped.

Jenna-  Again, how long would it take you to get your gun at night?  Can you shoot in the dark or the dim?

Do you have a solid bedroom door that would slow down an intruder?

Do you know the criminal history of your property?

Jenna- Rob, I think we’re confusing two different things with our stories this week, and I want our listeners to know the truth.  We should carry a gun where we are at risk.  We can be attacked anywhere and at anytime, but most people are attacked outside their home and at night.  We’re reporting our stories based on where most people are armed rather than where they are attacked.  Unfortunately, most people leave their guns at home.  I want them to carry all the time.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jenna- Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts on the podcast facebook page.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 9 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 9 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Welcome to episode 9 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse back with self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.  Hello, Jenna.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Jenna – I noticed that each example has the armed victim having to shoot.  Usually the attacker will stop when a firearm is presented, but not always.  These attacks evolved too quickly for the attacker to change his mind.

Our first example took place last month at a home in Nashville, Tennessee.

First story-  A woman heard someone loudly banging at the front door of her apartment.  The resident looked through the peephole in her door, and didn’t recognize the man on the other side.  She did not open the door as the man continued to knock.  Instead, she got her gun, her phone, and retreated to her bedroom closet.  She was on the phone with police when the man broke through her front door and entered her apartment.  He then opened her bedroom door and her closet door.  That is when she shot him.  The intruder ran from the apartment and checked himself into the hospital where police were waiting for him.  The intruder was out on bond from an earlier charge of felony theft.  Police said this was clearly a case of self-defense.

Jenna- I love that the resident did not answer the door for a stranger!  She gets bonus points for retreating to the closet with a phone, and a gun and not looking for trouble.  I also wonder what might have happened if she has called out that the police were on the way before she retreated to the closet is the bad guy may have fled instead of entering the home.  Although, that seems unlikely to me since he went straight to where she was hiding instead of grabbing valuables.

Rob- turn on the porch light

Jenna- If the closet is dark, then you can see him well before he can see you.

She used a revolver so there is little chance of the firearm malfunctioning because it was caught against the coats in the closet.

(Jenna’s add: this may not actually be true, the cylinder can in fact get caught up on stuff, such as fabric and that could impede the action from working properly. We’ve seen this happen in purses with the lining getting caught in the cylinder)

The robber gave her time, thank you.  Many robbers now use a smash and grab robbery where you will only have what you carry.

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Second Story-  Bertha Tate lives in Chicago, and has been a victim before.  Her husband was shot and killed during a home invasion robbery that happened 65 years ago.  She has been a gun owner ever since.  She’s seen friends and relatives killed since then.  This time her son was sitting in an overstuffed chair as someone tried to break through the front window of her apartment.  The family gun was tucked into the cushions of that chair.  Anthony Tate, Bertha’s son, shot the intruder as he came through the window.

The police followed the trail of blood as the intruder ran to his getaway car at the end of the block.  They followed him as the robber check himself into the hospital emergency room with a gunshot wound to his arm.  The 36 year old criminal was expected to recover from his gunshot wound while sitting in the Cook County jail.

Jenna- Good son.  A gun not under personal control.  Bad homeowner.  Again, a 22 revolver was enough gun at that distance.

I am a big fan of using whatever you have to get the job done.  If that means you have a .22 revolver, then I suppose that is better than nothing and it seemed to stop the threat in this case.  I don’t know of any bad guys who stare down a gun and ask the defender hey, what are you about to be shot shoot with.  I am pretty sure bad guys don’t want to meet any resistance, let alone get shot with any type of gun.  Does that mean I carry a .22?  Of course not, but again, it would be better than nothing at all.

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Third story-  A 60 year old Seattle man stopped by his local 7-11 convenience store.  He nodded to the store clerk, a man about his own age, and then went off fix a cup of coffee as he did many mornings.  The customer at the coffee counter was surprised by a masked man who walked into the store and swung a hatchet at him without saying a word.  The attacker then turned his attention to the store clerk and swung at him.  The clerk was slightly injured before the coffee drinking customer drew his handgun and shot the attacker.  The customer has a licence to carry his handgun concealed.

Police spokeswoman Cindi West said  “This could have been disastrous. Had this guy not shot, who knows what would have happened? We might have a dead clerk right now, and instead we have a dead bad guy.  We consider the gun owner to be a Good Samaritan.  We do not see any wrongdoing on the part of the customer. In fact, he probably saved lives in this case.

The police had photographs of the attacker on file, so he had a police record.

Jenna, I don’t think I’ve see a hatchet used in a training example before.

Jenna- This one is pretty cut and dried.  I think is was a very good thing that permit holder was on site *and* the he was armed.  It sounds like this was his normal routine to go get coffee. I shudder to think what may have happened to the clerk if the armed civilian had decided to leave his gun behind that day for some reason.  Like we can sometimes do.

Also, we get questions from students all the time about acting on behalf of an unknown third party with deadly force.  My standard answer is that they have to know the whole story of what is going on before making the decision to act.  In this case, I think acting was the proper course of action.  Sometimes though appearances can be deceiving and we may not know the whole story.

Jenna- More likely to be attacked outside our home.

Rob- I like it that my home is a relatively safe refuge.

Jenna- I agree, but we still carry at home.

Exit- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Jenna- They can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- That reminds me.  Listeners can talk to us on our facebook page.  We post transcripts and links to these stories on our web page at self defense gun stories dot com.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 1 with Jenna Meek

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 1 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Jenna Meek.  Hi, Jenna.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Jenna- Our first example took place last month in Alaska.

1 First story- Concealed carrier saves security guard (and stops mass murder)-  

Rob- 22 year old Matthew Willhite had never drawn his gun in public.  Come to think of it, most of us who carry concealed haven’t done so either.  Matthew was carrying concealed as he does every day.  This day he was with his girlfriend as she went shopping in a local mall.  It was an ordinary day.. until a mall security guard approached another man and told him to stop.  The man was being detained for shoplifting.  The shoplifter was armed and the shoplifter drew his gun and pointed it at the security guard.  The guard pushed the gun away and the two men struggled.

Matthew Willhite heard the security guard yell “Gun, gun, gun!” and then yell for help.  Willhite pulled his own firearm and pointed it at the armed thief.  In Willhite’s own words, “I yelled that I had a gun and he should drop it, and he eventually saw (the .45).  Once he dropped the gun, the security officer handed me the gun, so I kicked it behind me and kept (my gun) on him until the security officers put handcuffs on him.”  Willhite said he had his gun at “an angle where he could see me, but nobody else was going to get hurt.”

Jenna, what do you think of that?

JENNA comments-  Techniques- ?Does your wife or girlfriend hold your strong hand as you walk? Do you carry bags or packages in your strong hand?

Are you willing to move so you have a clear shot before you put your finger on the trigger?

Results- Think about this. The thief had more than four cartridges.  There were more than four people in the mall.  I think this armed young man stopped mass murder!

2- Store clerk saves employees and customer..again (and stops mass murder)

This incident started with a loud bang.  The convenience store owner didn’t have time to react before the masked robber drew a gun, stepped past customers and started shooting.  The store owner and another employee grabbed guns that were hidden behind the counter at Snappy’s Convenience Store in Deerfield Beach, Florida.  The owner and employee fired back .. several times.  The store owner’s gun jammed, and by the time he secured a third gun that he had hidden behind the counter, the thief was down and out of the fight.  Surveillance video confirms the owner’s story.  Both victims were shooting.  Police pronounced the thief dead at the scene.  The thief had a criminal history of drug trafficking and was out of jail on probation.

This was the third time the store owner faced an attempted armed robbery.  They had six firearms kept hidden around the store.  This was the third time they fought back and prevailed. 

JENNA comments- Physical- Loose guns get ignored, get dirty, and jam. Also, the best place for a defensive firearm is ON YOUR PERSON.

They ducked behind the counter and moved. Counter was probably not actually adequate cover from bullets. Consider the materials; would it have stopped bullets?

Two defenders versus one attacker.

Have you ever practiced with your spouse or co-worker to walk to the household guns and defend the family?  It took us over a minute to get a loaded gun in hand.  Presentation from concealed carry takes 1 second. I keep a gun on my person, even at home.

Was there time to call the police?

The thief didn’t ask for cash, he started shooting.

Results- There were three employees and at least one customer in the store.  A mass murder is four or more people killed in a single incident.  I’m sure it felt like self-defense, but the store owner stopped mass murder.

point blank range

 

3- Concealed carry while you get your haircut (and stop mass murder)

Two masked and armed criminals pushed their way into a crowded Columbia, South Carolina barbershop filled with men, women and children.  One of the men carried a long gun and the other had a handgun.  The two thugs demanded money and repeatedly threatened everyone with violent death.  They told the customers to put their hands up, and one by one, to empty their pockets.  Fortunately, two of the victims had concealed carry permits.. and they were armed.  The barber told the thief that his money was behind the barber chair.  The barber and another store customer started shooting when the thief turned.  Their shots struck one of the robbers several times.

The two criminals ran from the barbershop. One escaped, the other dropped to the street.  He died in a nearby hospital. None of the customers or employees in the barbershop were injured.

Investigators determined that the suspect’s weapons was stolen from a South Carolina home back in 2012.  Police examined surveillance video and ruled the incident as self-defense.

JENNA comments- Physical-  Would this have worked at all with off body carry, say a woman had her gun in her purse while she was having her hair done? This is a big problem with off body carry.

Mental- Is a barbershop where you expect to be robbed?  It isn’t a nightclub.  It isn’t a convenience store next to the highway late at night.

The robbery victims were armed.  They did not present their weapons and fire as soon as they saw the threat.  They waited for an opportunity when the robbers were looking away.

Lots of screaming, crying and moving people.  This is not like our square shooting range. The robbers were shot and still ran away. 87 percent of handgun wounds are not lethal. Results- Another mass murder that didn’t happen because of a good buy with a gun.

Exit- Jenna Meeks, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?

Jenna- They can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  Here is my new book “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.