Episode 55 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 55 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 55 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

We‘ve been busy.  We were at the  tactical conference last week in Little Rock, Arkansas.  It was good to see you there.  We also took a MAG 40 class.  I have the Florida State Shoot for The Well Armed Woman next week.    I’m lucky to see old friends and make new ones at these classes.  Speaking of old friends, welcome back to our regular listeners, and hi to our new listeners.

On this podcast, we report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Louisiana.

Rob- First story- Are you armed at home when you answer the doorbell early in the morning?  You’re asleep in your home in Breaux Bridge, Louisiana.  You wake up as someone rings your doorbell again and again.  It isn’t easy to wake up at 3 in the morning.  Half awake, you are about to answer the door when your spouse tells you to take your gun with you.  You see one man standing outside your back door.  The stranger said his car broke down and he needed help.  The strange man turns his head to one side as he speaks.  You open the door a crack and look in the same direction.  There you see a man dressed in black clothes standing by your rose bushes.  The second stranger is wearing a mask and carrying a rifle.  You slam the door closed and yell a warning to your family.  The robber kicks in the door.  You take two steps back and shoot your attacker.  He was the man carrying the rifle.  You move the rifle away from the robber who is now laying on the ground.  You and your family are uninjured, but you’re sure shaken up.

Police arrest both the injured robber at the scene, and they arrest the second injured robber a few miles away.  Both were taken to a local hospital in critical condition.  Both suspects are wanted for an armed robbery and shooting that occurred in Baton Rouge the day before.  In that incident, the homeowner was shot.  Both robbers have a criminal record.  No charges will be filed against you.

Robyn – Prevention – harden your home – Now is the time to do everything that we can to prevent an attack and to make ourselves as safe as possible if we are attacked.

  •        A gate around the property if possible – keep people off your property
  •        Motion sensored lighting
  •        Cameras – interior and exterior
  •        Camera doorbells – limited field of view but you can see and talk from a distance
  •        Trim shrubbery – eliminate “hiding” places or blind spots
  •        Fortify the locks – deadbolts etc.
  •        Alarm systems – some have panic buttons and sirens
  •        Use the locks and alarms!  I am amazed at the number of people who leave the doors unlocked and only set the alarm when the go on vacation

Attackers don’t want to be seen or heard.  If you are too much of a “problem” for them there are so many others that they can go rob or attack.  No guarantee but I want to do everything that I can to prevent it.

It seems obvious that our homeowner was already behind the curve when the door bell is ringing over and over and our sleepy homeowner is heading down to the door.

Rob- This homeowner was really lucky that his spouse stopped him from opening the door unarmed.

Robyn – It is important to have the gun close, preferable in a holster, in case the homeowner needed it.

Rob – So this homeowner did something right.  He had a gun

Robyn – Yes, and he had already decided to protect his family if they were threatened.  That is great.  Now imagine how much better this scenario could have been if the husband AND the wife had both had a gun and were prepared to work together.   Working together is a huge force multiplier.

Rob- I need a solid door.  My wife and I need to be armed.  What else can we learn from this couple’s experience?

Robyn – Do NOT open the door not even a crack!

  •         That is why I like the new doorbells – you can see and talk to someone on the outside without opening the door.  You could be upstairs in a relatively safe room with your loved ones while you are instructing the person at your door to leave.  It would be great if another family member was on the phone with 911.  That would get help on the way and the 911 recording would document that you tried to get them to leave.
  •        You have to train your spouse, housemate and children not to open doors for strangers.
  •       Sometimes they use a decoy to get the door open and then the real attack begins.  In this case the bad guy at the door did not appear too threatening (someone unprepared might open the door to help him) but his accomplice in the rose bushes with a rifle and a mask (I don’t think even an unprepared person would have opened the door to help him.
  •       Schedule some time to train your housemates.  

Rob- You can do that tonight.

Robyn – In this case the bad guy said that the car was broken down and he needed help.  I am pretty skepticism about car broken down story – almost everyone today has a cell phone.  They can call for help.

Robyn – If I decided to talk to them through my doorbell camera/speaker, I don’t know how to fix a car.  I could offer to call 911 for them.  I imagine that they robbers would not be likely to hang around if I tell them that I have already called 911 and help is on the way.

Robyn – Sometimes they know to see if someone is home – if not burglary is easier

       Sometimes they want someone home

– use to open safes, get valuables

– might just want to attack

In either case if they know that police are on the way.  The clock has started on this attack. They don’t want to be around when the police arrive.

Robyn- Slammed door and yelled for the family.  

Do they know what to do? Come to him, hide, run??    

Family discussions and drills.

Robyn – I noticed that the homeowner took 2 steps back   If the robber with a rifle was advancing toward the homeowner, the robber could go much faster going forward than the homeowner could go backward. The robber would have his sights on the homeowner.  The homeowner would have to be careful not to trip.  If possible, work toward an angle.  If there was time, the homeowner should try to put a barrier between like furniture or a couch.  I imagine this happened very fast once the bad guys decided to enter the house.

Robyn – The homeowner shot the man with the rifle first.  Good job that robber was the most immediate threat.

Robyn – After the robber was shot and had fallen to the ground, the homeowner kicked the rifle away.  If the homeowner could safely get the weapons away it is a good idea.   

Robyn – As soon as it is safe to do so call 911.  Get the police and an ambulance on the way.

Rob- The Bureau of Justice Statistics said that almost half of us will be victims of a violent crime sometime in our lifetime.  The average hides more than it reveals.  Your chance of being attacked depends on where you live and what you do.    Some of us are less likely to be attacked, and some of us are more likely.

Robyn – Tom Givens says that it is not the odds but the stakes that is important.  You are not very likely to lose your family tonight, but who wants to take that chance.

Rob- Good point.  Let me say thank you to all our listeners who own a gun and are trained to use it.

Robyn- Our second story took place in Missouri.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed when you work at a kid’s party store?

You own a party store in North Saint Louis.  The room is filled with rubber balloons, helium balloons and mylar balloons.  You’re busy preparing the next  order when a teenage customer walks in at 11 o’clock in the morning.  The customer looks around the store and selects the balloon he wants.  He brings it to the cash register. Instead of reaching for his wallet,  the teenage boy pulls back his coat and shows you the grip of a gun that is tucked into his pants.  “Give me the money,” he says.

You’re armed.  You see a lethal threat.  You grab the handgun that you keep behind the counter and fire one time.  The robber turns and runs from the store.  You check, and neither you, nor your customers, nor any bystanders are hurt.  Then you call the police.  The police say they will charge the teenage robber when he gets out of the hospital.  You won’t be charged.

Robyn- obvious that the store owner understood that this could happen.

Rob- So the store owner made a decision and had a gun?

Robyn – He was physically prepared – he had a gun at work.  He was mentally prepared to use lethal force to defend himself.

Rob- What if the robber had been talking to the owner and they were both standing in the middle of his store when the robber drew his gun?  Then the store owner would have been disarmed even though the robber still has a gun.

Robyn- You don’t have a gun if it is out of reach.  On body carry would have been better for the shop owner.  Also, call the police as soon as possible.

Rob- So this store owner had a gun.  Maybe some of our listeners are shop owners.  I bet your students ask you this question all the time.  What should someone do if they are not familiar with firearms and they want a gun for personal protection?

Robyn- Go shooting with an instructor or a trusted friend.  Take a class, because knowing what to do and how to do it is much more important than the particular hardware you use.

Rob- If you want to get somewhere, you need a map.

Robyn- Right.  It will take a few trips to the range before you find the gun that is right for you.  Gun owners need to know how to safely operate their firearm and they need to learn how to shoot.

Get some scenario based training too.  That is a fancy way of saying you want to act out your self-defense training with other people.  You put your skills and training to the test without the possibility of injuring anyone.  That way we can safely look at each action to see what went well and what we could improve.

Rob- You told me you used to use these stories with your students so they could brainstorm solutions.  Do you still do that?

Robyn- I do.  I had a meeting last night.  We ran through the scenarios to brainstorm ideas and consequences of our action choices.  Great discussion.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Georgia.

Rob- and we’ll hear about being armed in Georgia after this brief message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  Your job is pretty simple.  They call, and you come fix their problem.  You’re a maintenance man for a chain of sandwich shops in Acworth, Georgia.  You arrive early  in the day so the customers wouldn’t see you working on the cooling and washing equipment during the lunchtime rush.  You are almost finished with this repair and it is only 10:30 in the morning.  You hear shouts from the front of the store near the sandwich counter.  You turn and see a 20 year old standing behind the counter with a gun. You know the employees, and he isn’t one of them.  This thug is pointing his gun at the clerk.  You draw your own weapon and shoot the thug once in the chest.  The attacker turns and runs from the store.

Police say a getaway car dumped the injured robber at a local urgent care clinic.  The robber will be charged once he gets out of the hospital.  You are not facing charges.

Rob- You’re a third party to the robbery.  Should you be a good witness or get involved?

Robyn- As a third party you have no duty to intervene.

Robyn – Take some time now to make a mental list of people and situations where you’re going to use lethal force to defend someone.  Intervening in a third party dispute means that you are risking your treasure and your freedom and your life to defend that person.

Robyn – People should be responsible for their own safety.  It is not our duty as gun owners to defend someone who has neither training nor a gun.

Rob- Some adults chose to be disarmed.

Robyn-  Right, but kids didn’t have a choice.  Now is the time to make the moral decisions about what you would do, not in the moment of the attack.

Rob- You won’t have time to think, but you will have time to execute the actions you already considered.  The maintenance man decided he would protect some people he knew if a stranger threatened them with a gun.  That was his plan.

Robyn- When you’re protecting a stranger, you have to be sure of the details from beginning to end.  In this case, the entire robbery took place in front of the defender.

Rob- So the defender had a plan on when he would use deadly force for personal protection.  Did he have a plan on when to stop shooting?

Robyn- Yes.  The maintenance man only fired one shot.  Good discipline – as soon as the threat stops, so does the justification to use lethal force.  Those simple rules allow us to act quickly and to stop quickly.

Rob- What is the next step?  What is the next simple rule we want to know?

Robyn-  Make sure you’re safe, then call 911. This not only gets help on the way, it is the beginning of the next fight.  That is the potential legal battle.

Rob- Exit- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  They can also contact us on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 46 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories where we talk to people who think they might want a gun for self-defense.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  How have you been, Robyn?

Robyn – Hi, Rob.  We have been very busy with classes and range events. We have a night shoot coming up.  This gives our students a chance to train in daylight, twilight and in the dark.  It is important to prepare for any lighting situation. We are conducting training classes prior to the event to prepare the students.  We are using blue guns to teach them the skills that they will need. This  training allows them to learn the skills, practice dry fire at home, participate in supervised drills and scenarios at the range. Great opportunity.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners from the Self-Defense Radio Network.  We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  A convenience store clerk saw two men walk into his store at 3:30 in the morning.  Even at that early hour on a weekday, there were 5 people playing video games in the back of the store in Cartersville, Georgia.  The two visitors were wearing masks and carrying guns.  The clerk’s name was James, and he ran back to the office room behind the counter.  This room has a solid door and is where most stores keep and count their money.  The robbers were right behind him.  As James tried to close the door, the robbers struggled to push it open.

James reached around the door and shot the closest robber.  The robbers fired back as they ran.  The wounded robber was left behind by his two partners.  The robber died by the time police arrived.

Robyn – Avoid gas stations after dark or in sketchy areas (tank management)  

Rob- James stopped mass murder. (6 potential victims.)

Robyn – 5 people playing video games at 3:30 am.  Distracted!.

Robyn – Training video – run, hide, fight.  James did just that.  Glad James planned ahead for the fight and had a firearm.  Previsualization – had a plan.

Rob- James had a lot to think about, and probably more to handle than he could think about at the time.

Robyn – Situational awareness gains time to retreat and to get the response plans started.

Robyn – retreat to back room might be a good idea – less likely to hurt what you can’t see.  Construction of “safe room” is important.  Quality, construction materials, contents

Robyn – when I see the clerks encased behind the bulletproof glass I think good for them, how bad is this neighborhood and how quickly can I get out of here.

Robyn – James did not get to room quick enough to get the door shut and secured.  Two armed men within a foot of each other staring eye-to-eye.  Depending on the construction of the door either one could have shot through the door.  

Robyn – James reaching around the door.  How secure was his grip? Potentially disarmed.

Rob- And James faced three attackers.

Robyn – James defended his life so good for him.

Robyn – After the event was over there were a few problems.

Robyn – Don’t try to count the shots.  Leave details for the investigators.

Robyn – Don’t get interviewed by reporters.

Robyn – Save your statement for your lawyer.  Be prepared to give a statement to the police after you have had an appropriate amount of time.  Police have time (around 48 hours) for a sleep cycle and to dump all the additional adrenaline.  Be prepared for effects of stress and adrenaline on the body.    

Robyn –  Since he was carrying a firearm for self-defense, I hope that he is a member of an organization like the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

Robyn – Important to prepare for the physical battle and the potential legal battle.  We are hosting Andrew Branca again this year.  Law of Self Defense seminar.

Robyn – Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home?  A homeowner was in the back of his house at about 7:30 on christmas morning.  He heard an unusual sound of a door closing.  It is an ordinary sound, but this homeowner lives alone, and santa uses the chimney.  The homeowner grabbed his gun and opened the door to his bedroom.  That is when the homeowner saw a stranger wearing a santa hat.  The homeowner raised his gun and santa ran out the garage door, the way he’d entered.  Police found the intruder nearby.

Robyn – Probably the last thing he expected at 7:30 in the morning on Christmas.

Rob- How many gun owners have an unloaded gun and think they are protected.  

Robyn- If that is how you store your gun, then I want you to time yourself.  How long does it take to lock your door, get your gun, your ammunition, and load your weapon?  Let us know, and we’ll post the times on this podcast.  I bet it takes you over a minute.

Robyn – Shame on him for leaving his garage open.  Make your home a hard target that is not worth the risk or effort.

Robyn – Homeowner was prepared.  He had a firearm to protect himself.

Robyn – Homeowner stayed in control.  He evaluated the intruder and decided to give verbal command to get out of his house.  It worked so no shots were fired.  He let the police do their job.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Alabama, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Third story- Do you carry a firearm with you when you’re driving you car and need to stop for gasoline?  

A man stopped to get gas in Heflin, Alabama.  The customer paid for his purchase inside the store and was walking out when he ran into an unavoidable problem.  It was about 11 at night, and there stood a man dressed in black from head to toe and wearing a mask.  Then the man in black pulled a gun and said “Don’t leave, stay where you’re at or I’ll kill you guys.”  This was a robbery.

The customer was armed.  He drew his own firearm and shot at the robber twice.  The robber drove off.  The armed customer followed him outside.  The robber drove toward the armed customer, and the customer shot at the car.

Robyn – Back at a gas station at night.

Robyn – Police said that the armed robbers watched the establishment from a parked car.  If you see something that concerns you call the police.  Situational awareness, evaluation and decision making are all important.

Robyn – Compliance does not guarantee safety.

Robyn – Customer tried to get away told to stay or would be killed.  He had fulfilled the elements to be justified to defend himself.  He was prepared.

Robyn – After the armed robber left the store, I would prefer it if the customer would have let him go and called the police.  

Robyn – shooting at the car could endanger bystanders, bullets may not react as expected when they hit a car.  A vehicle defense class is very eye opening experience.

Robyn – In this case, the car was used as a weapon against our good Samaritan.  He needed to move to get objects between himself and the oncoming car.  Concrete posts on parking spots in from to the convenience store or the building itself.

Robyn – If the good Samaritan had stayed inside and called the police, the second confrontation may not have occurred in the parking lot.  As soon as you can safely call the police do it.  Let them track down the bad guy.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  We have a night shoot on January 7th and we have Andrew Branca coming to town to teach the law of self-defense on the 28.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 39 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 39 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction-  Rob- Welcome to episode 39 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is proud to be a member of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by instructor Robyn Street.  Hi, Robyn.  You had a Glock Range Day at the Louland Gun club in Naples Florida.  How did that go this year?

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Robyn – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in South Carolina.

First story-  Are you armed when you stop to buy gasoline?  The victim was buying gasoline at a convenience store in Aiken, South Carolina.  It was shortly after 6:30 in the morning.  An armed robber came up beside the victim and demanded money.  The victim gave the robber the $15 he had in his wallet.  The robber then ordered the victim to get in the car.  The robber started shooting, but it isn’t clear if that was inside the car or outside.  The victim reached into his car, grabbed the gun he kept there, and shot the robber several times.  The victim ran inside the store and called police.   The robber died at the scene.

The robber appears to be a drug addict.  He was out on bond for a burglary in one county, and for shoplifting in another county.

Robyn

  • Gas stations are very dangerous places.
  • So, I tell my students to plan-ahead.  I advise them to always have at least half a tank of gas.  That gives them some cushion room so that they can plan to get gas at a relatively safer times and at safer places.

Rob- This was 630 in the morning, but a druggie needs drugs when a druggie needs drugs.

 

  • Be careful not to lose your situational awareness at the pump.
  • Distracted by getting out our wallet to pay and putting it away.  Robbers like to get our wallets and while we are at the pump be careful that your wallet is out as little as possible.
  • Don’t tempt the bad guys by keeping your wallet out where it can be seen.
  • Our victim had let his guard down.  Don’t let people get that close.  Scan your environment!
  • If you see something that makes you uncomfortable, say something like “Stop, that is close enough.”  That is great advice from John Farnam.  We need to get over worrying about appearing to be rude.  That simple statement lets the person know that you are aware the they are there and that you are not going to be an easy target.  
  • Your action may also draw the attention of others. Potential witnesses.
  • The victim gave the robber $15.  Compliance does not guarantee safety.  
  • In this case the robber told the victim to get in the car.  My advice would be never get in the car.  Fight for your life where you are.   
  • We don’t know why the robber started shooting.  But once it starts happening why really does not matter.
  • The victim reached in his car to grab his gun. It would have been much better if he had been wearing his gun.
  • After he had shot the robber, the victim went inside to call the police.  That was the right thing to do. He ran inside where there would more witnesses.  As soon as the call can safely be placed.  Call 911 and get police and medical assistance to your location as soon as possible.  Then prepare for their arrival. “Officer thank God that you are here.  I am the one that called.  This man tried to murder me…
  • I think that this is a great story.  We all go to gas stations.
  • You won’t have time to think if this happens to you.  That is why we need to think ahead.  We need to run through what if plans all the time so that we create mental pathways and plans for our brain to fall back on if a horrible event occurs. Instead of suffering from either analysis paralysis or denial, we need for our brain to say well I knew this might happen.  Here is what I need to do and get on with it.
  • Scenario training is so critical in our self-defense plan.  

Robyn – Our second story took place in West Virginia.

Second Story-  Are you armed when you answer the door at home?  A man was at home early on a weekday morning with his wife and child.  He answered a knock at the door.  As he unlocked the door, two armed and masked men pushed their way inside.  They hit the male homeowner in the head.  The homeowner grabbed a gun he had in the home and shot both robbers.  The robbers limped away.  One or the robbers was shot in both knees.  Police took one of the robbers to a local hospital.  They later arrested the second robber and his female getaway car driver.

  • This just goes to show you that we need to be prepared at all times.
  • not a time when we think that we will be attacked but this proves that you never know.
  • First of all, I would suggest installing a camera or at least a peep hole so that he could see who was at his door.  You should not open your door for a stranger.
  • Here we see that he was overpowered by two armed robbers.  The armed robbers hit the man in the head.
  • He was lucky that he was able to get to his gun.  There is no guarantee that he would have been able to get to his gun.  That is why a good rule is pants on gun on (POGO).  
  • Lucky for the family that he was able to get to his gun.  If they had been victorious over him.  They would have turned their attention to the wife and the child.
  • This is why we encourage families to train together. If the wife would have been prepared to defend her family she could have helped to protect her husband.  Working as a team is a force multiplier.
  • Another benefit of working as a team is that during the planning stages, each person will become more situationally aware and their communication skills will improve.
  • Good the homeowner prevailed, but we certainly do not train to make knee shots.  His shot placement was suboptimal but it worked so in this case, good for him.
  • As soon as the imminent threat is over and he could safely call the police, he needed to get that done.  
  • The police did a great job and caught the two robbers and their getaway driver.  

Robyn- Our third story took place in New Mexico.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home in the morning?  It was about 11 in the morning when five young men kicked in a front door of this Las Cruces, New Mexico home.  The robbers were armed with knives and a hatchet.  The homeowner was struck on the head and stabbed several times before he was able to grab his firearm.  He then shot at the robbers.  The robbers ran from the home.  One of the robbers was shot in the leg and left on the driveway.  The other four robbers drove away in a gray car.

Neighbors heard the shots and called police.  They arrested the robber lying on the drive way, and had emergency medical techs transport both the homeowner and the robber to hospitals for treatment.  The robber was arrested for two felonies and a misdemeanor.  The homeowner is expected to fully recover.

Robyn- This is our carry all the time episode, isn’t it.

Rob- Seems to be.

  • This is even worse than the last story.  Now we have five young men kicking in the door.
  • They were armed knives and hatchets.  If we had made that up in a training scenario the participants would have thought that we were being silly and that this could never happen.  Well, surprise, here it is in real life.
  • We were told that the homeowner grabbed his gun.  I hope that he had it in a holster on his body.  After being hit in the head with a hatchet and stabbed several times he would not have had much of a chance to go get to his gun.
  • I am so glad that he did not give up.
  • This reminds me of a watch repair man, Lance Thomas.  He had been targeted as a victim several times.  In an interview about one of the attacks, the reporter asked Lance how he kept going even after he had been shot?  Lance looked at the reporter and simply stated that he was not out of ammunition and he was not dead yet.
  • This homeowner was literally fighting for his life – outnumbered and injured he prevailed.  Never give up! Never surrender!
  • He only shot one of the attackers but it was enough to convince the robbers that it was time to get out of there.  Good for our victim but we cannot count on that to work every time.

Rob- Most of the time, the robbers stop when the homeowner presents his gun.  That is the rule, and the homeowner only has to shoot one time out of 12.  In this case, a gun scared away 4 of the 5 robbers.

  • The neighbor called the police.  It would have been better if our victim would have been able to make the call first.  It is best to be the first one to get to make that call.  Get your side of the story told first.
  • In this case, he may have been too injured to make the call.  If that is the case, thank goodness that a neighbor stepped up to make the call.  It is great if you have a good relationship with your neighbors.  You can look out for each other’s safety.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn – If these examples gave you something to think about, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 31 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 31 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- We’re back with episode 31 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and I’m joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  How have you been, Robyn?Robyn Street

Robyn – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you love.

Our first story took place this month in Florida.

First story-  Are you ready to protect the people you love at home after dark?  Three men broke into a home in Port Richey, Florida just before 9 at night.  At least one of the three robbers was armed.  The armed robber pointed a gun at the male homeowner and ordered him to the ground.  The robbers then went through the man’s pockets.  The female homeowner went to her bedroom and retrieved her gun.  She returned to the living room where her husband was being held face down on the floor.  She told the robbers not to move.  The armed robber turned toward the armed homeowner and she shot the robber once in the shoulder.  All three robbers ran.  The male homeowner tackled the armed robber as he was leaving.  The homeowner and a neighbor held the wounded robber until police arrived.

Robyn – Illusion of being “safe” at home.  

Robyn – She had to go to the bedroom to get her firearm.  

Rob- I’d ask our listener to conduct an experiment and time themselves.  You have to do this safely without pointing a loaded gun at your family.  If you have a gun for self-defense, then set your cell phone in the middle of your house and start it timing.  Go from the middle of your house and get your gun.  Make it ready to fire.  Then, walk quickly back to your cell phone and read the time.

Robyn- You could do this with dummy ammunition rather than live rounds.

Robyn – We train couples to consider splitting apart.  

Robyn – she shot him in the shoulder

Robyn – she had no duty to tell them not to move

Robyn – husband chased the robbers as they were running away.

Robyn – Our second story took place in Kentucky.

Second Story-  If your teeenagers are old enough to be left alone, are they old enough to have access to your firearms?  A sixteen year old boy heard someone in his house Saturday morning.  He wondered if it was his sister who usually works weekends.  Then the teenager heard the intruder’s voice, and it definitely was not his sister.  The teenager grabbed his gun.  He looked out his bedroom door into the hallway and saw an intruder with a knife.  The teenager told the intruder to drop the knife.  The armed intruder said, “No.”  That is when the armed teen pointed his gun at the intruder.

The intruder backed up, dropped the knife, and ran.  The teen called police.  Police were already familiar with the intruder.  This looks like a case of mistaken identity in a drug deal gone wrong.

Robyn – This brings up a question that we often hear…How old is old enough to train children about firearms.

Robyn – The teenager grabbed his gun. You would have to check state law to find out what the requirements are to determine if the teenager should have had access to the gun.

Rob- there is a difference between a found gun and a gun they handle under supervision.

Robyn –  The teenager told him to drop the knife … NO … he pointed the gun at him and he ran away.

Rob-What happens next?

Robyn – After the event it is so important to be the first one to call the police.

Robyn – The intruder mistakenly thought he was involved in a drug deal gone wrong.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Illinois.

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Third story-  Are you armed in your car?  A concealed carry holder in Granite City, Illinois dropped off a friend late at night after work.  One report says the driver was in the car.  A second report says the two men were standing next to the car when a stranger walked up to them.  The stranger presented a gun and announced a robbery.  The concealed carry holder drew his firearm and shot the robber.  This is where the news reports start dropping details.  We do know that the local prosecuting attorney praised the victims for defending themselves.

Robyn- If you are in a car and you can get away.  Get away!

Robyn- If he was outside of his car (second report), he needed to be using his situational awareness skills.  

Robyn- Evidently all the prior material had failed.  The driver had a gun pointed at him.  

Rob- Why was the victim justified in using lethal force?

Robyn- Get insured.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Robyn –  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  and on Facebook.  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

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Robyn – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

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Episode 23 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 23 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 23 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse and I’m helped by firearms instructor Robyn Street.

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Robyn-  Hi, Rob.  Hello new listeners, and welcome back for our regular listeners.  Each week we report and analyze examples of civilian defense.  Our first example took place last week in North Carolina

First story-  Rob- A man walked into the Lumberton, North Carolina mini-mart at 11 pm.  The customer then presented a gun and pointed it at the store clerk’s head.  The thief demanded money.  What the thief didn’t see was another store employee.  This second employee saw a gun being pointed at the clerk’s head, and the employee presented a handgun of his own.  He shot the thief.  The thief ran.  Neither store employees nor customers were injured.  Police used a K-9 unit to find the thief a few blocks away hiding in some bushes.  The thief is in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

Robyn-  This one really points out the importance of training.

Rob- how so?

Robyn- First, for the clerk with the gun pointed at his head.  Knowledge of pre attack indicators might have prevented the thief from getting so close with his gun out.

Often clerks are told to give the thief what they are asking for.  The problem with that theory is that after you give the thief what he wants, you are still at his mercy.  The thief gets to decide is he wants to go ahead and hurt you.  Compliance does not guarantee safety.

The employee actually had the gun pointed at his head.  The clerk could have benefitted from disarm training.

Rob- it is hard for clerks to keep customers away from them.

Robyn- Thank goodness for the second employee.  He was prepared.  He had his pistol with him.  The thief had time to prepare and gather the tools that he was going to use in the robbery.  The employees had to react and they only had the tools that they were carrying with them at that particular moment.

The second employee had a gun and the training to use it.  He shot the thief but he did not injure the store employees or customers.  He had to be aware of the violent criminal actor and all of the innocent people in the store.  He obviously did a good job.

The final thing that they did right was to let the thief run away.  They let the police find him and deal with him.  When the threat of attack from the thief was no longer present they no longer had a reason for self-defense.

Rob- You mean they didn’t shoot at a running man or chase him outside the store?

Robyn-  Our next story took place in Leitchfield, Kentucky at 9:30 in the evening.

Second Story-  Rob-  A woman had taken out a restraining order on her ex-boyfriend.  Unfortunately, the boyfriend lived next door.  The woman’s court order was ineffective when her ex-boyfriend started pounding on her windows and doors.  The woman retrieved her pistol and called police.  The ex-boyfriend broke down her front door and walked inside.  The woman shot the intruder, and he ran.  The woman said she feared for her life and the life of her 11-year-old son, who was in the home at the time.  The ex-boyfriend’s criminal history includes burglary, rape, kidnapping and assault.

Robyn-  When seconds are all that you have the police are still minutes away.  It is not their fault.  We have to call for them.  They have to get dispatched and travel to our location.  We are our own first responders.  That is a very important mindset.

Rob- We are on our own.

Robyn- We are on our own until the police arrive.  Domestic violence is such a problem.  The victim obviously knew that her ex-boyfriend was potentially going to give her trouble.  She did the right thing by documenting her fear and getting a restraining order.  The problem with criminals and other bad guys is that they don’t respect the laws or restraining orders.

I am glad that she was prepared.  Rather than going to retrieve her pistol, I would have preferred that she had it with her.  You never know how long you will have to go get your self-defense tools.  I am glad that it worked out for her.

She said the she was in fear for her life.  Based on the fact that he was pounding on windows and broke down the front door and she knew about his criminal history of burglary, rape, kidnapping and assault.  I don’t blame her for fearing for her life, but I gotta wonder what she saw in this man to begin with.  Be careful of the company that you keep.

Rob- at least she can bring his history into evidence to explain her actions.

Robyn- I am glad the she called the police not only to get help on the way but to document the event.  911 calls are recorded and can be used as evidence if there is a trial.  If you call to get help keep that line open to document what occurs.  You can put the phone down if you have to but they are still recording.

Robyn-  Our third story took place near Louisville, Kentucky.

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Third story-  Rob-  A 65 year old man lived with an older man who owned the home.  The 65 year old heard noises outside the home and went to investigate.  He didn’t find anyone outside.  As he walked inside, he found a 39 year old man fighting with the older homeowner.  The 65 year old shot their younger attacker.  The attacker is in stable but serious condition at a hospital.   

Robyn- Don’t go looking for trouble.. Because you might find it.  What item outside the house was worth risking his personal safety?   When you hear noises secure yourself inside your home or whatever safe position is available.  This is the time that you make final preparations for a potential attack.  Call the police and let them investigate for you.  It would have been great if he would have had motion sensor lights or manually turned on the exterior lights.  Perhaps that might have helped persuade the attacker to leave.

Do whatever you can to make your home a hard target – lights, cameras, alarms etc.  If he would have had exterior cameras set up, he could have investigated without leaving the safety of his home.  Now is the time to make preparations like installing cameras and lights.  Then use it to your advantage to provide safety for you and your loved ones.  

Unfortunately that is not what this man decided to do.  He left the relative safety of his home and unfortunately he did not secure his house when he went outside to investigate the noises.   This allowed the much younger attacker to enter his home.  He returned to a disparity of force situation.  The older man would have every right to believe that the 39 year old attacker would be able to overpower them and hurt them.

The 65 year old man must have had his gun with him.  But shooting at two men fighting is not an easy task.  He had to make sure that he did not hurt the older man.  There is a lot of movement and the potential to hurt his friend.  I am glad that it worked out for him.

Rob- I’ve had some of that training, but it is too advanced for this show.

Robyn- It is important that our listeners know the training is out there.

We know that the attacker is in the hospital.  That means either after being shot he decided to leave the residence or he was unable to get away and the gentlemen called for the police and an ambulance.

We have to be prepared to deal with the possibility that the attacker may be in your house until help arrives.  How will you make sure that the attacker no longer poses a threat or that the attacker does not have accomplices in the area?

Now is the time to use stores like our self defense gun stories to help us mentally prepare for these situations.  We can learn from what happened to other people.  Going through these exercises helps us to determine  and fix weaknesses in our own self defense plan and opens our eyes to possibilities that we may not have considered.

 Thank you Rob for finding these stories each week and bringing them to our attention.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Thank you for helping me today, Robyn.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  and on Facebook.  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

Rob- Our listeners can leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 15 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 15 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

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Rob- Welcome to episode 15 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Robyn Street.

Robyn- Hi, Rob, Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Our first example took place last week in Monticello, Georgia.

First story-  Eddie Smith was home alone at 9 p.m. Eddie doesn’t get out much.  He is a 69 year old Vietnam war veteran and confined to a wheelchair.  Eddie heard someone force their way into his home through the back door.  Eddie rolled in that direction to investigate.

Eddie found an intruder standing in his home and the intruder lunged toward Eddie.  In his wheelchair, he couldn’t retreat fast enough.  Eddie presented his firearm and shot the intruder in the chest.  The intruder ran away and collapsed about 100 yards from the residence. Both Eddie Smith and his neighbors called 911.   The intruder later died at a nearby hospital.

Robyn- The intruder did not expect a Eddie to be able to defend himself.  In contrast, Eddie planned and trained for a potential break in.

Eddie could not retreat fast enough so he presented his firearm and shot the intruder in the chest.  If Eddie did not have time to retreat to get away, he also did not have time to retreat to get his firearm.  Eddie was prepared to defend himself.  In a way the intruder had an advantage at the beginning of the event.  The intruder knew that he was going to break into the house.  He had time to gather tools and plan the event.

Eddie was in his own house behind closed doors.  Home is where we think we’re safe.  The intruder forced his way through the door so it appears that Eddie had locked and secured his house.

After 9 p.m. with the doors locked most people feel secure in their home and let their guard down.  Eddie did not have time to gather tools and plan for an attack.  He had to recognize a threat and deal with it.  Thankfully Eddie had a firearm with him.  That brings up a very important point.  If Eddie had locked the firearm inside a safe, he probably would not have been able to get to his firearm in time.  Eddie’s story shows us how important it is to keep our firearm loaded and on our body.  Gun owners need to find holsters that are as comfortable as possible so that they will be willing to wear their gun whenever possible.  

Bad guys are not looking for fair fights they are looking for fights that they can win.  Eddie was in a wheelchair and the intruder was nimble enough to force his way in the door and to run away.  This was not a proportional threat.  Predators pick people that they feel they will be able to overpower. Perhaps that is why this intruder chose Eddie’s house. If Eddie had not presented his firearm it does not appear that things would have gone will for him. I image the intruder was shocked by Eddie’s reaction to the attack.  

Eddie went to investigate the sound of someone breaking in through the back door.  It might have been better if Eddie would have retreated to a safe defensible position.  He could have given himself an advantage of concealment or cover.  In this case Eddie was able to defend himself even in the close proximity.  Good for him.

Eddie did another thing right.  He shot the intruder in the chest and stopped when the intruder decided to run away.  It is important to know that people do not react to a gunshot like we have seen on TV or the movies.  They do not necessarily fall to the floor instantly dead or get thrown to the wall.  In this case the intruder ran away.  He had enough strength to run 300 feet before he collapsed.  If the intruder had the strength to run, he also had the strength  to continue the attack.  After he was shot, the intruder was still an imminent threat until he turned to run away.

Eddie obviously realized this and did not shoot the intruder in the back.  Good for Eddie.  He was in control of the situation and was constantly evaluating the threat.   

Finally, Eddie did the right thing when he called the police.  Overall, good job Eddie.

I think that does it for our first story.  Our next example took place in Oklahoma.

Second Story-  This second story starts at 9:30 on a Sunday night.  A homeowner was shocked when she heard two young men crash into the front door of her Tulsa home.  She ran to her bedroom and grabbed her gun.  The two men pursued the homeowner down the hall toward her bedroom.  She fired three shots as they advanced toward her.  She shot one suspect in the chest.  The suspects ran, but were later found at a local hospital.

Robyn – Another home invasion fairly early in the evening.  This reinforces how important it is to be prepared to defend ourselves even when we are in our home.  In this case the woman retreated to her bedroom and grabbed her firearm.  I think that going to a predetermined place is a good idea.  It is a good idea to evaluate our homes prior to attacks to determine areas that provide concealment or cover.  In this case from her bedroom she could see the two intruders proceeding down the hallway toward her.  She gave herself an advantage by choosing that location.  

Rob- What if the victim was on the other side of the house and away from her safe room?

Rob- What does it mean to stack your opponents?

Robyn –  The hallway forced the intruders to stand one behind the other.  That means only one intruder at a time could attack the homeowner.  This allowed the female homeowner to prioritize which intruder that she needed to address first.  The first one down the hallway was her imminent threat. She could turn her attention to the next intruder after she dealt with that first threat.

We also learned that she fired three shots striking one of them in the chest.  This is why all of us need need to spend time at the range training.  We need to be able to accurately place rounds in moving intruders while we are in a very stressful situation.  The time to train and prepare is before the attack occurs.  You never hear anyone say “man I wish I had not spent so much time at the range” after they have been attacked. If possible find a place where you can use reactive targets like a star, programmable targets or simulators. So often at the range we shoot paper targets that are 21 – 30 feet in front of us. The targets don’t move or turn, and we have plenty of time to shoot.  Real life is a dynamic situation and time is precious. We need to train that way when we can.

In this case the intruders fled after the woman fired shots at them.  She had the discipline to stop shooting as they ran away.  It is so important to stop shooting after the threat no longer exists.  

She also called the police.  That was the right thing to do.

Robyn – Our final story takes place in Tampa, Florida

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Third story- A thief first tried to rob a man standing behind a Tampa Bay Liquor store.  The 24 year old robber was wearing a bandana and carrying a 9mm handgun.  The victim said he didn’t have any money.  The thief then pushed the victim into the store and tried to rob the two employees sitting in the store’s back office.  One of the employees had a concealed carry license and was armed at work.  The employee shot the robber several times until the robber dropped his gun.

The robber had a significant record of criminal convictions for grand theft, for burglary, and an arrest for conspiracy to commit murder.

Robyn- I think we have all seen workers stepping out a back door during their break.  The employees don’t think about compromising the building security when they are just stepping outside for a break.  I am imagine that there were employees aware of everyone entering the store from the front door, but they were not prepared for someone entering from behind.  If there is a door or a gate, it needs to be locked whenever possible.

Rob- The employee who was probably smoking in the alley put the rest of the employees at risk because he was unarmed.  He was an easy hostage.

The man who had stepped outside is very fortunate that the armed robber did not hurt him.  Instead, it appears that would be robber used the man on his break to enter the building and to lead him to the office.  Thank goodness that the employee were prepared.  Once again, we see an attacker that has had time to gather tools and prepare for this attack.  He already had his gun out.  The concealed carry holder in the office had to immediately react to the situation presented.  He was swift, decisive and accurate.  He did not waste anytime stuck in a denial loop or trying to figure out why it was happening to him.  He recognized a threat and immediately took action to stop it. His swift reaction also tells me that he had spent some time training to present his firearm. Even though they were in close proximity, he had to be accurate.  If he had missed, he could have injured an employee or customer.  That is why we all need to train with our firearms and other self-defense tools.  Accuracy is critical.  

This story could have had a much different ending if the employee had not made the decision to get his concealed carry license.  Beyond that, he had made a commitment to adjust his lifestyle to carry the firearm with him.  The planning and training before the attack probably saved their lives.  

The business owner called the police and asked for an ambulance for Torres, the intruder.  It is important to get help on the scene as soon as possible.

Rob- You practice that phone call with your students, don’t you?

Robyn- Yes we do.  It is important for the students to prepare so that they will have some idea what to the tell first responders and what part they need to share with their lawyer in similar situations.

Exit- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

Rob- We had two messages from listeners-  One asked about our show notes.  We post transcripts with web links at Self Defense Gun Stories Dot Com.  Some pod-catchers also include those transcripts along with each podcast.  We always have the stories in the transcripts.  We don’t always have the comments.

Robyn- We’ll include the instructor comments if our listeners ask for them.  So please let us know what you want.

Rob Morse smallRob- One listener objected when I used the term “old man” during one of our stories.  I am a gray haired old man, so no offense intended.  I’ll call them elderly.

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Episode 7 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 7 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Welcome to episode 7 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  Hello, Robyn.  

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I was struck by the similarities and differences of the three stories this week.

Rob, So you looked ahead.

Robyn, I did.  Let’s talk about these examples before we start.

Similarities: All three of these news stories took place in common places that we go every day.  (work, home and a parking lot).  We need to realize there is risk wherever we are.  We need to be prepared wherever we go.  We can do our best to minimize our risk but we cannot eliminate the risk.  We have to be prepared at all times.

In every scenario they all had quick access to their gun.

Just because you made the decision to buy a gun does not make you safe.  It is one step of many in your self defense journey.

If the attack is imminent.  The attacks are occurring right now.  If you need a gun to defend your life, you don’t have time to go home and get it out of your safe.  In each of these scenarios the people had made the decision to have quick access to their firearm.

As far as Differences: One of them actually fired the gun and the other two did not.  Once the gun was presented the attackers “changed their mind.”

I am so impressed that these armed citizens had the presence of mind and self-discipline not to shoot after the threat no longer existed.

We can’t count on the attackers changing their plan and leaving but we need to be prepared for it. (no shoot scenarios)

Rob- So you teach your students to shoot a gun.. And to not shoot a gun.

Robyn- Yes, they really need to learn both if they want to be safe AND responsible.  The attackers are proactive – they have a plan.  They had time to prepare.  As innocent individuals we are reactive – we have to quickly analyze what is happening, make a plan and enact our plan.  When seconds count … mindset training, increased awareness and that can buy us precious time.

 When we teach our classes we focus on mindset, legal issues and firearm skills.  We also encourage our students to get as much medical training as possible.  Today I really want to try to stay focused on the mindset.

We are very fortunate because we have a facility that includes a video simulator we use with our students.  The training is invaluable.

The participants are faced with real life scenarios.  They involve real life people acting out potentially dangerous situations at home, at the office, at the mall or in parking lots.

This helps our students realize that dangerous situations can occur anywhere.  They always need to be prepared.  These simulations also reinforce how little time that an armed civilian has to make decisions and gather self-defense tools.

We have had students stand and watch the entire scenario play out without moving at all.  Several of them have had the actors fire a potentially lethal shot at them.  I am telling you this not to point out their failure but to highlight how important this aspect of training is.

Rob- You want to make those mistakes in a training environment.

Robyn- Everyone in class learns from those sort of mistakes.  Those students were like a deer in car headlights.  Startled and incapable of comprehending what is occurring.  It is such a great learning tool.  Their mind did not have a parking spot for such a violent episode.  Their brain was forced to deal with a novel stimulus.  So they were stuck in a loop of this cannot be happening to me, why is this happening.  In reality it does not matter why you, why now.  It is happening and you will have to deal with it.

From that moment on they start looking at their environment very differently.  They understand the importance of awareness.  They practice making if – then decisions as they go throughout their day.

Athletes use previsualization to mentally walk through scenarios.  We need to use it too, and we can.  We can work through scenarios using a training simulator, when we watch the news, when we listen to blog episodes like this, as we just go throughout our day.  It gives us a mental workout.  Training our brains increases our awareness, it can buy us time and it lets us consider  more options on how to deal with a violent encounter.

You can’t stay in denial or panic.  You have to stay in control, make decisions, plan and act.

I also think that it is important that we practice and analyze some shoot and some no-shoot scenarios.  It is important to train with the realization that I am only going to present my firearm when I am in fear of death or great bodily harm of myself or my loved ones.  But just because I have made the decision to present my firearm does not mean that I am going to fire my gun.  It is incredibly important to stay in charge of the situation.  You have to make a critical decision, incredibly quickly in a very tense situation.

Finally, we also focus on what they need to do after the scenario.  We talk about what steps they need to take to access whether or not they are still in danger and calling the police ( if they haven’t already done so.)  We have they call the police and we interact with them in the role of the 911 operator and first responder.  We need to practice what we need to tell them and what we should not talk about until we have discussed it with our attorney.

We are incredibly fortunate to have access to the facility but you can visualize scenarios and potential decisions with a little imagination or by analyzing scenarios have occurred.  That is why I would like to focus on mindset as we look at the three scenarios today.

First story-  A man attacked in his jewelry store

Rob-  Our first example took place this month in a Los Angeles area jewelry store.  The owner was attacked after he buzzed a new customer through his locked security door and into the store.  The customer turned robber drew his firearm once he was inside.   The robber threatened the owner with a gun, but the jewelry store owner was armed as well.  The owner shot the thief.  The owner called police and remained on scene for the police to arrive.

Robyn –  I think that this shop owner had already allocated some time training his brain.

First of all, if this is a shop had he had to buzz people in.  I think that the shop owner had already decided that he was in a potentially dangerous situation.  He needed to control and be very aware of who entered his store.

You described him as being friendly.  What a great way to get a reading on who has entered the store.  While warmly greeting the person. He was free to analyze their demeanor, verbal and physical reactions.

Violent criminal actors have to be very good at selecting their victims.  They develop good skills of reading people.  We have to be committed to being equally good at reading everyone we encounter so that we can recognize when we are in danger.  You can think about it like “interviewing” everyone we encounter.

We don’t have to greet people with a suspicious interrogation.  He would not be in business very long if he did.  But we can be focused on gathering potentially crucial information while we are offering a friendly greeting.  That is good for business too.

I believe that is what allowed the shop owner to switch so quickly from being a “nice guy” to using lethal force to defend his life.

He was able to react so quickly to the bad guys proactive attack, the store owner must have had quick access to his firearm.  Its sounds like he was carrying his firearm in a holster on his body.

He had analyzed the situation, probably worked through similar scenarios and he had a gun with him.  He also had the skills necessary to safely present the firearm without hurting himself.  He was accurate enough that his first shot hit the bad guy.  We don’t know how effective his shot placement was.  But you did indicate that the bad guy was shot.

As soon as possible he needed to call 911.  (ambulance and cruiser)

So that wraps up the first example.

Second Story-  A woman attacked in her home.

Rob- In our second story, a woman was attacked in her home.  Two men in their late teens to early twenties rang the bell at her front door.  The homeowner didn’t know the men so she didn’t answer or open the door.  The two men went around to the back of the house.  They entered her screen porch and then kicked in her back door.  They intruders met the owner who was standing inside her home with her pistol pointed at the two intruders.  They ran.  Several homes were entered in a similar manner that week.

Robyn- I want to point out how important it is to make changes to your house to make it a “hard target.”  Motion sensor lights, shrubbery trimmed, locked doors etc.  Just like video training, and visualization buy us time so do locked doors.

It appears that the homeowner had thought about this.  The bad guys had to kick in the door to enter.  To me that means that she had the door locked.  Good for her.

I like the fact that she did not answer or open the door when she did not recognize them.

We don’t know how long it took for them to move around to the back door.  We do know that it was long enough for her to have her gun in hand.

You said that when they kicked in the back door she was standing there with a gun pointed at them.

If she had time to prepare, I would certainly would have suggested that she call 911. If she had even set the phone down there would be a recording of the event.  Officers would be on the way.  She would be in charge of the immediate situation but law enforcement would be on their way.

If she had time I would have suggested that she positioned herself somewhere in the house when she would have concealment or cover.  I would prefer that she position herself in a corner if possible so that no one could sneak up on her from behind.

Since we are doing down the trail of if. I would also like for her to turn off the lighting where she was and use a flashlight to illuminate the intruders.  At our house we have motion sensors on the light fixtures near the entry points.  Anyone that comes in is illuminated.  It is important to verify who is there.  If she was hidden in the dark, she could illuminate the intruders and offered verbal challenges.  Something like “The police are on their way and I have a gun.  Get out now.”

In this case, when the intruders saw the firearm they decided to change their plans.  I am glad that she was in control of the situation and did not fire a shot since the threat no longer existed.

Often we say avoid the attackers, so we ask why she didn’t run out the other door.  As you recall she was already apprehensive of the guys at the front door.  She had no idea what she would be running into. In this case, staying put and calling the police was the right thing to do.

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Third story-  This happened to a 22 year old woman crossing a parking lot on the way to her car.

Robyn- Did it happen at night?

Rob- A twenty two year old woman was walking from the store to her car. Yes, Robyn, it was late at night.  A man walked up to this woman  and demanded her purse.  Two other men crossed the parking lot and the three men surrounded her.  She presented her firearm from her purse.  The three men ran.  She called police.

I am so glad we are talking about this one. Tom Givens, recently told us that parking lots are some of the most dangerous places we go.  Think about all the people that you see walking to the car with their arms full of packages or worse yet using their phone while they are digging for their keys.  Those people are completely oblivious about what is going on around them.

To be proactive I would have suggested that she could ask a store employee (security guard etc.) to walk her to her car.  Since she didn’t do that, we have a young lady walking by herself at night in a parking lot.  She was unaware of the people around her.  You said that the young man walked up to her.  Right there I think that she allowed him to get too close to her.

Rob- Ask for a grocery clerk to give her an escort to her car.

We tell people to carry a flashlight for a variety of reasons.  Even if there are lights in the parking lot a flashlight allows us to gather even more information.  It also sends a message that we are aware of our environment.  As an added bonus, for most criminals the only people they have ever seen carrying a flashlight are police officers.  Remember they were watching “interviewing” other people in the parking lot.  We want to fail their interview.  Distracted unaware people make it easier for the robbers to succeed.

If she had noticed the robbers approaching her, there is nothing wrong with giving them a strong “That is close enough with your arm extended.”  The robbers don’t want to draw attention to themselves.  If you are wrong, some stranger thinks you are a little crazy, but if you are right you might fail this interview and change their mind.

It seems obvious that did not happen since we know a man walked up to her and eventually she had three men surrounding her.  At that point she was in a terrible situation.

She did have the firearm in her purse.  As you can see this happens quickly.  She did not have time to go get anything.

When she presented the firearm they ran away.  Again, we can’t count on that reaction but when it occurs the threat no longer exists.  She had the discipline not to shoot.

It is very important that she called the police.  She needed to tell the police what happened and what she had to do.  She needed to tell the police her side of the story before someone else called them.  Other people, including the bad guys, may call with incomplete or incorrect information about the attack.  She wants to be the victim rather than the suspect when the police arrive.

There is so much to learn from each scenario but I hope that focusing on the importance of mindset and visualization will encourage our listeners to train their brain and be prepared.  Mindset is such an important component to living a prepared lifestyle.

Rob: Exit- That wraps up this episode.

Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  

Rob: Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find us at Step by Step Gun Training.com  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

Rob- That reminds me.  Listeners can leave a comment and on our facebook page.  We received some feedback.  A listener from San Diego asked for the references for each of the stories we talk about.  If you listen to us on your cell phone, those references are included in the published cell notes on the next page of the podcast.  The links are also on our web page at self defense gun stories dot com,

I’m Rob Morse and please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.