Episode 124 with Robyn Street

Can you protect your family and your neighbors? How about treating the injured until help arrives? Here are four new examples of armed defense.

Rob- Introduction- I’m glad you found us and welcome to episode 124 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  I see that you’ve been busy with clinics on the weekend and your women’s group during the week.

Robyn- Hi, Rob.

Rob- Robyn, how do you listen to the show?

Robyn- I listen to it on my iPhone on the apple podcast app

Rob- That is how most people listen. Please put us in your pocket and give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Please leave a comment to tell us what you liked about the show. Now that we’ve talked about how to listen, tell our new listeners what to expect.

Robyn- We’re looking at several new stories of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation, but were they lucky, or did they have a good plan? What should we do if we were in their place, and how would we learn those skills?

Our first story took place last week in Spanaway, Washington.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home early in the morning?

You and your mom hear a scream from across the street. The sun is just coming up. You get dressed and go next door to see what is going on. Your neighbor had been attacked by her ex-boyfriend. The neighbor already called police.

You and your mom walk back to your home and notice that the power is off. That seems suspicious. You grab the family gun. You are only 16 years old, so you can’t carry in public. A few seconds later the ex-boyfriend forces open your back door and attacks you with a knife. You push him away and fire your gun. Now he runs.

Your mom calls police. They arrest your attacker. He is charged with first degree assault,  burglary, and domestic violence.

Robyn- I would have preferred that the mother and daughter have called the police when they heard the scream.  There was also a vandalized car. Both of these are clues that it is time to plan for our own safety.

Rob-  We tell people to stay at home and call police, but the police had been called several times and were unable to stop the threat.

Robyn – They left the relative safety of their home to go to see what was going on at the neighbors house.  It does not appear that they had any plan to protect themselves or the neighbor when they went to check on the neighbor.  Lots of warning bells should be ringing in their head. I would prefer that they had stayed home planning for their own security.

Robyn – Domestic situations are very dangerous.  Highly emotionally charged. We are not sure, but perhaps that is why the ex-boyfriend attacked their house.  Perhaps he felt that they were interfering or preventing him from succeeding with his ex-girlfriend.

Robyn – I also imagine that it was quite possible that he was under the influence of alcohol or drugs.  Lots of variables were in place to make this a very dangerous situation.

Robyn- If they were worried, I think that they should have called the police and then called the neighbor to check on her welfare.  That would have been much safer for the mother and the daughter to stay in the relative security of their home.

Robyn – I have several questions about the 16 year old grabbing the family gun.  Where is it stored? Why didn’t the mother grab the gun? What training did the 16 year old have?  Did they have a plan on what to do if a bad situation was unfolding?

Robyn – the daughter heard a noise coming from the back door and saw the suspect standing in the doorway.  I hope the noise occurred because the door was locked and he had to break into the house. Now is the time to install study locks like dead bolts and to use them all the time.  It is also helpful to lengthen and strengthen the screws used to hold the door frame in place. This would discourage less motivated intruders, slow down the motivated intruders and make noise to provide a warning for the homeowners.

Robyn – I would also advise the mother and daughter to position themselves in a position the provided concealment and cover.  A place where they could see what was happening in the doorway and where they would not be close enough for the intruder to start cutting the 16 year old with his knife.  A firearm is a distance tool. She could have protected her family without being in close proximity to the intruder.

Robyn – the intruder told the 16 year old that she was going to die and cut her several time with his knife.  That is a tough young lady. She was not going to let him kill her.

Robyn – I am happy that one shot was enough to convince the intruder that he needed to leave.  He had not prepared for his intended victims to fight back. It certainly sounds like without the pistol this story would have had a very different ending.

Robyn –  I am glad that the police found the ex-boyfriend and I hope that this situation will be enough to keep him away from his ex-girlfriend and the neighbors for a long time.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?

Robyn- I like for families to have plan about how to handle situations.  I wish the young woman’s mom would have been the one that was armed. She should have been the responsible adult protecting her child.  But we do not know all the details of their lives. I am glad the mother was at least on the phone with the police while the daughter was defending the family.  They needed to get help there as soon as possible!

Robyn- Our second story happened last week in LIncoln, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you answer the door at sunrise?

It is just about dawn. You hear a crash from the front of your house. Before you could go outside to investigate, there is a crazy man rattling your door knob. Fortunately, the door is locked. You yell for him to go away. He breaks the side window and tries to reach inside. You shoot at him and  he runs away. You call police.

Police report that a madman has broken car windows and front doors all along your street.

Robyn – Here we go again.  Please harden your home. Strengthen your locks and use them.  I know that side windows can be pretty but not the best idea from a security point of view.  It does not take much money or effort but in a bad situation, you will be thankful that you have done everything that you could do to ensure your security.

Robyn- Don’t open the door.  Don’t go outside to investigate.  Stay inside and use cameras to gather information.  Call the police and let them come investigate. Until the police arrive, stay on the phone with 911 and put your self-defense plans into action.  Prepare for the worst situation and hope that the police arrive before you are forced to enact your plan.

Robyn – That brings up a good point.  You need to make plans now. It is easy to come up with plans and evaluate them and improve them while we are calm.  Planning also helps to eliminate the time that can be lost from the denial/justification loop. Planning also our brain to stay in control.  It is helpful for the brain to stay in a rational state and to say “well, we know this could happen let’s put that plan into action and protect ourselves.”

Robyn-  Have your tools with you and position yourself where you are prepared to protect and defend yourself.  

Robyn- That includes your phone, flashlight, other defense tools and medical supplies.

Robyn- Don’t fire through a door or window. If the door is in the way, then the intruder is still outside. Let the doors and windows do their job and keep the intruder outside.

Robyn- We replaced our windows with hurricane glass.  If flying trees aren’t going to break through, hopefully that would keep the brick from breaking the glass.  It can’t hurt and at least we tried.

Robyn- As long as the intruder is still outside there is still time to avoid firing the gun.  But it is certainly time to prepare in case the situation demand it.

Rob- We include links to these news stories in the transcript of the show. That is on our website, and some podcast applications put it in your phone as well.

Robyn -Our next story happened last week in Palm Beach, Florida.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed as you run errands with your children?

You ran an errand while your 12 year old son was getting a haircut. Your 5 year old daughter is asleep in the backseat of your car. You park at the curb right in front of the barbershop. This is South Florida in September, so you leave your car running as you walk in to pick up your son and pay for his haircut. As you’re walking in, you hear a car door slam behind you. Someone is trying to take your car. You run to the passenger window and yell for him to stop. The car starts to move with your daughter still inside.

You have your concealed carry permit. You’re armed. You draw your firearm and shoot the kidnapper. Then you open the passenger door and guide the car to a stop.

Your attacker had a record of breaking into cars and not showing up for his court dates. Two days later the police say they will not file charges against you.

Robyn- I know it is inconvenient to wake a sleeping child but please don’t leave your child in the car.  

Rob- This happened very fast.

Robyn – So many things are going wrong.  The child is unattended in the car, the doors must not have been unlocked and the car was running for a quick get away.  Oh my…this is not good.

Robyn – I am glad that the father had his firearm on his body.  There was no time to go get it. Imagine if he had been storing the gun in the car.  When a bad situation develops you have the tools that you have at that moment and nothing else.

Rob- Was dad justified in using lethal force against a car thief?

Robyn- No. Dad was justified in using lethal force against a kidnapper.

Rob- What else?

Robyn- I like the line that said that he father drew his gun and ordered the kidnapper to stop.  But I have trouble with the next statement that he then opened fire. How many times did he shoot?  What was he hitting? Were any bystanders injured. Was the child injured? So many things could have gone wrong.

Robyn –  He slipped into the car and prevented it from crashing.  Brave and determined father stayed in control of the situation after things had gone terribly wrong.

Robyn – As soon as it was safe he needed to call 911 to get police and medical help to the scene.

Robyn- Our fourth story took place in Garland, Texas.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed as you meet someone to buy a camera?

You and your girlfriend are waiting outside someone’s home. You found a camera for sale, and you want to see it. The seller said he’d be there in a moment. That is when a stranger comes up and demands your money. You say you don’t have any. You attacker then pushes you and your girlfriend and says he knows you have money. You try to stop the attack on your girlfriend. Your attacker hits you. You draw your firearm and shoot him once.

Now you can withdraw and call police?

Preliminary reports indicate that the person selling the camera was the same person who tried to rob you.

Robyn- I hope that our listeners know better than to do this. Tell your friends not to do this any longer. Make sales at the police station.

Rob- A firearm is lethal force. I have to ask again if lethal force was justified.

Robyn- Best plan is to avoid this type of situation.  Planning might also have prompted you to have other tools to defend yourself – OC spray might have changed the attackers mind.   

Robyn – Protecting someone else is a bit more complicated.  In this case, he was confident that the girlfriend was innocent and was certainly in danger of death or grave bodily harm.  How many punches can his girlfriend absorb before she is incapacitated and lying defenseless on the ground? One? Two? This had to be stopped.

Rob- It is harder to run away if you have a partner with you. Do you talk about defending a friend, a spouse, a child with your students?

Robyn- We help families and friends develop plans about how to best defend themselves in bad situations.  It is very helpful to honestly evaluate the skills and limitations of each person. Each person needs to know how the other person will react to situations.

Robyn- Sometimes it is as simple as having a code word to let others know this is unacceptable and I need you to do exactly what I am saying or we need to enact our plan now.

Rob- Is there more?

Robyn – Call 911 to get police and medical help on the way as soon as possible.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn Street, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- I’m at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. (Ladys weekday at the range?) Leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 115 with Robyn Street

Have you prepared your home? Can you yourself on the street? Firearms instructor Robyn Street brings us three new stories of armed defense. (14 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 115 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Robyn Street with us as co-host.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been good. We have been working on strengthening our self defense tool box.  We have been working on enhancing our situational awareness, self defense and knife training.  I would like to avoid ever being attacked, but if I am attacked, I want a robust set of skills to escape and to protect myself.  I am really enjoying learning and refining my skills. I also got to shoot black powder muzzle loaded rifles with my friends. It was really fun but my friends just kept saying if I had been a soldier back in the old days, I would not have lasted very long.  I was not very fast loading the rifle. My primary focus was on safety.

Rob- And speaking of safety tools, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Robyn- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Fresno, California.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It is well after dark when you hear someone knocking on your front door. You check your doorbell camera and don’t recognize the woman standing on your porch. The stranger says her friend lives there. The strange woman is obviously confused, and she also sounds increasingly angry as she demands to be let in. You call police. The strange woman rips the screen door off your entryway and the screens off your windows. Your doors and windows are locked. The intruder throws herself an your door over and over, then starts banging on your windows.

You tell her you have a gun and to go away. Police arrive a moment later and arrest her. The intruder is a 30-years-old and she was drunk. She faces charges with vandalism.

Robyn- The homeowner, a retired police officer, had a gun and was mentally prepared to use it to defend herself.  This was something that our homeowner had already envisioned as a possibility. She had done a good job of hardening her home.  The doors and windows were locked and secure, camera was installed and operating, phone was charged and in hand, gun was available and ready to use.  Hooray.

Robyn – I love the fact that she had installed a doorbell camera.  She could identify the person at the door without compromising her security..  I am not sure if the camera had a speaker but regardless she also issued clear verbal commands to leave.

Robyn – She did so many things right.  She called the police and got them on the way. A further benefit to calling 911 is that they can give you updates on the position of help on the way, you can keep them updated on the location of the threat and on your location.  Finally, it is recorded in case any legal action is required.

Robyn- She was frightened..and she is a retired police officer.  She did a great job of analyzing the threat as it was unfolding. I think it is important for us to mention how upset she was sharing how  close she was to shooting the woman. Perhaps she had drawn the red line at crossing the threshold of the house. She was prepared and stayed in control.  She had police on the way but they were not there yet. She was her own first responder. If we find ourselves in a similar situation this would give us a good mental map to follow.

Robyn- No shots fired.  I wish that every self defense scenario was like this one.  The preparations were sufficient to keep her potential attacker away.  Good job! Our second story happened North of Daytona Beach.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work

You work in a pizza restaurant. It is almost time to close the store for the day. A man walks in and you look up. The customer wears a mask and before you know it he hit you with a wooden post. You duck and the post breaks on the counter. The stranger pulls out some scissors and tries to stab you. You draw your firearm and shoot him several times.

You call the police. The video shows the robber waiting outside and then attacking you. There are no other witnesses, and the police find your attacker behind the store wearing a clown mask.

Robyn- Our defender got a late start. There is a lot to do as you close a restaurant. You’re cleaning up from today and getting ready for tomorrow. No wonder the employee was paying attention to clean-up and prep rather than the stranger coming in the door.

Rob- So the first clue is that you’re getting hit with a fence post.

Robyn-I understand that the worker was probably anxious to get home, but if possible he should have waited to do clean-up until after the doors were secured.

Robyn- This is a situation where he had to earn his draw.  The attacker was already attacking him at close range before he defended himself.  This is where the skills I am working on this summer might have come in very handy.  Avoid getting hit, block and work for your counter movement

Robyn-Thank goodness that he was armed.  He was able to defend his life with the tool he had. He was mentally and physically prepared to do whatever to took to get home to his family.

Robyn-He stayed in the fight until it was over.  But when the threat no longer existed he stopped.

Robyn- He did a good job calling the police and letting them do their job.  They found the attacker behind the store.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

It is still dark outside when you hear someone in your basement. You tell your wife to call police and you grab your gun. You go downstairs and tell the intruder not to move. Police arrive a few minutes later.

The intruder is charged with second-degree burglary and the police think he is responsible for several other break-ins.

Your wife and children are unhurt.

Robyn- Wife and kids in the home. Do you shelter in place or investigate the noise in the basement?

Rob- Is there only one way up from the basement? How do I know there is only one intruder?

Robyn – That is one of the reasons that we have cameras in our house.  I can search my house via my phone. If you can see them you can give good information to the police and you can to a better job evaluating the threat and planning your defense.

Robyn- If you had not installed cameras, the first thing that popped into my mind was to barricade the basement door.  If there was indeed an intruder or intruders in my basement they could take any of the basement stuff they wanted but they were not allowed to hurt me or my family.  Single entry up a staircase through a door is relatively easy to defend. Let the police come investigate who is in the basement. My job is to keep them away from my family until the police arrive.  

Robyn-I like the team effort.  The wife called 911 to get the police on the way.  That freed her husband to protect the family.

Robyn- I would suggest getting set up in a defensible position and issuing verbal commands.  “The police are on the way.” “Get out of my house.” It would also be nice to illuminate them and or record them.  Many people can turn on lights remotely. Criminals do not want to be seen or filmed.

Robyn- I am glad that the husband had the gun and had it accessible at the time of the break-in   I am also glad that the wife had access to the phone and it was charged.

Robyn-I am not sure what people are thinking when they go off to investigate.  That is very dangerous. He held the intruder until the police arrived. He was lucky that it was a single intruder and that the intruder complied with his command.  This could have very easily turned out much different for the homeowner. I am glad that it worked out for him and his family. I would suggest letting the police do their job.  They can search, they can decide what to do with the criminals that they find. My job is to stay as safe as possible until they arrive.

Robyn- Police arrived in four minutes.  That is a very good response time but I imagine it felt like an eternity to the homeowner.

Exit-  Rob- I had a good time talking with you.  That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We offer custom training courses as well as group classes. Leave us a message on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 107 with Robyn Street

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Robyn Street brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (18 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 107 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we have firearms instructor Robyn Street as co-host.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy. Lots of training for myself and for my students.  How have you been doing?

Rob- I’ve been to the range several times, sometimes for my training and sometimes with new students.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Robyn- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they good?  These stories also document cases when an armed citizen was able to defend themselves. We often hear about firearms when they are used to commit violent acts, but we do not often hear when armed citizens survive potentially deadly attacks because they are armed.  Next time you are asked “why do you need a firearm” share one of these stories. Our first story took place last week in Iredell County, North Carolina. Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It is sunrise on Sunday morning. You hear your dog bark. Your wife and two young kids are asleep, so you pad downstairs to see what is bothering the dog. A man is standing inside your screen porch trying to get into your house. You grab your 22 rifle and walk out the side door. You enter your porch and tell the man to lie down. He does. You call police.

The policeman fights with the suspect to take him into custody. The intruder faces charges of breaking and entering, possession of a Schedule IV controlled substance, possession of drug paraphernalia and resisting a public officer.

Robyn- Not a time or place we would think of being at risk.  We need to be prepared at all times.

Rob- Your back porch on a Sunday morning is usually a place to relax and read the paper.

Robyn- Dogs are a great alarm system.

Rob- Dogs vs electronics?

Robyn- If the intruder is not in the house, then stay safe inside.  Harden your home now so that it can provide the most amount of protection possible.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this case?

Robyn- Have a plan, gather your family in the most defensible location.  Call 911 and get help on the way. 911 is recorded and can be used as evidence if necessary.

Rob- Gun, family, phone..In what order?

Robyn-a 22 rifle might not be the best caliber choice but it beats not having anything.  Several of the people that shoot with us are using 9mm carbines. Some of the carbines even use the same magazines as their pistols.

Rob- What do you like about them?

Robyn – I am glad that it worked out for the homeowner, but it is not our job to hold someone until the police arrive.  The robber was rummaging through his pockets and producing drug paraphernalia. What if he would have had a weapon in his pocket?

Rob- Say more about that.

Robyn- If our homeowner had more training, he would not have held the intruder. If the intruder moved to take something from the intruder’s pockets, the homeowner should have shot him. That is tough to explain in court, and is why we don’t hold suspect for the police.

Robyn- The homeowner mentioned that he did not want to shoot anyone, but that he would if that is what it would take to defend his family.  We need to make that decision now to lessen the likelihood of hesitation if we have to protect ourselves or our family.

Rob- Our homeowner hesitated, but he was safe this time.

Robyn- This  homeowner was lucky, but we can’t count on luck. Our second story happened last week in Tucson, Arizona.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go shopping?   

It is dark outside. You finished your shopping and walk to your car. You set your purse and packages inside. You try to close your car door, but a man has grabbed the door. He tells you to get out of your car and give him the keys. He shouts at you. You grab your gun from your purse. You step out of your car and point your gun at your attacker. He has a hatchet in his hand. You tell him to leave. He raises his hand and you shoot him once in the center of the chest. He falls. You keep your gun on him and shout for people coming out of the store to call police.

Robyn- Don’t hesitate to ask mall security officers or grocery store employees to escort you to your car.  You are less likely to be attacked if you are not alone.

Rob- We hear about that during the Christmas shopping rush, but it happens all the time.

Robyn-If it is “dark” outside have your flashlight in hand and scanning the environment.  It sends a message that you are aware of your environment. Added bonus, the bad person has probably only seen police officers using a flashlight.

Rob- The light says you’re not their usual victim.

Robyn-It appears that the victim was distracted when transitioning to the car.  The attacker was close enough to grab the car door. Be aware and prepared. As soon as possible. Lock the doors, start the car and get out of the parking lot.

Rob- What should we do if we see someone standing in the parking lot and they are not moving towards their car?

Robyn- It would have been better is she could have been the first to call 911.  As I was reading the story, it was mentioned that she held the attacker until the police arrived.  It is not our job to hold the attacker. In most cases, I would say that the victim should get away from the attacker.  The police can catch them later.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Saint, Louis Missouri.

 

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re in your bedroom at the back of the house. It is 9:30 at night when you hear shouting from the front door. Then you hear gunshots and you hear one of your housemates shout in pain. You grab your gun and walk toward the noise. An older man who lives at the house is on his knees and looks hurt. A stranger is standing in the front room yelling that he wants his money. The stranger raises his gun and you shoot the intruder. Now he runs. You call police and EMTs.

The police arrest the wounded robber and take him to the hospital.

Robyn- That did not turn out as the robber had planned.  Harden your home to make it difficult for a bad person to get to you.  Keep the doors locked.

Rob- Seconds count. How should we have our gun?

Robyn- I am glad the friends of the victim had immediate access to their firearm.  They did not suffer from disbelief and denial. The situation was bad and they took immediate action to stop the situation.

Rob- This all happened very fast.

Robyn- In this case after the attacker was shot in the leg, the attacker decided to run away.  As he was running away, he was still firing his gun. Another neighbor started to fire at the attacker.  This is very troubling. We are responsible for every round that we fire. You have to know your target, what is around it, behind it and beside it.  Luckily no other bystanders were hit in this exchange. My advise, if the attacker is running away, let him go. As so as it is safe to do so, call the police.  Get help on the way. The police can find him later.

Robyn- The first victim was shot.  This highlights the importance of medical training and medical kits.  You are the first responder for yourself, your family and your friends.

Robyn-We need to train to have good situational awareness, plan for what ifs and worst case scenarios, study the laws, maximize our physical fitness and practice with our firearms to become as proficient as possible.  

Robyn- These stories are a great training tool.  They actually happened to someone else. We know what they did.  What would you do?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 90 with Robyn Street

Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

 

 

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 90 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us as to co-host this week..

Robyn, please introduce us to our new listeners.

Robyn- We discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense each week. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments. Our first story took place last week in San Antonio, Texas. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re out to eat with your family?

You and your family are eating at Popeye’s Chicken. Actually, you’re waiting for two of your children to finish washing their hands in the bathroom. It is after 8 in the evening when a man walks up to the cash register and demands money. He is wearing a mask. Now you realize that the store is being robbed. The employees run out the back of the store. The robber turns to you as you and your family. You ask if you can leave. He says no. He demands your money. Then the robber waves his gun at you and your children. The robber looks back at the cash register for a moment. You present your handgun and shoot the masked robber several times. You and your family run from the restaurant. You can barely talk and someone else calls police for you.

Robyn- So glad he was armed.  Be aware of alternate exits when you enter a room.  There is a tactical advantage to seating placement and type.

Rob- It isn’t like our defender could run away and leave some of his family behind.

Robyn- Give the robber your wallet..even if it is empty.  But remember that compliance does not guarantee safety.

Rob- Your wallet..or the store cash register is something else for the robber to think about; something besides shooting you. Is it appropriate to shoot the robber in the back if he turns away from you?

Robyn- You said that the father was waiting for two children to go wash their hands.  He was facing a very difficult scenario.  The father had his family separated with the bad guy in between them.  The father also had to be very aware of the innocent bystanders.

Rob- That doesn’t answer my question. The robber pointed his gun at the children. Now, he looks away, maybe at the cash register. Can I shoot him, even if it is from behind?

Robyn- Our armed dad was patient. He waited until he had time to act. He had it concealed in such a manner that it was a surprise to the armed robber.  Also, he was not frozen in fear or uncertainty. He saw his opportunity and he acted.  I think our defender had practiced presenting his gun from under his clothing so he knew how much time he needed. Good for him.  The story would have been much different if he had not had a gun with him.

Rob- He waited. He recognized an opportunity when it came, and then he acted.

Robyn- Talk to your family members so that they know what to expect from you and you know what to expect from them.  Family members can be a help or a hindrance.  It is best if you can work as a team.  Consider having a special word that means you need to do what we discussed and follow all of my commands without question.

Rob- is there more?

Robyn- If possible be the first person to call 911.  The witnesses are important. If you’re a stranger in the area and there are a gang of robbers, they can all say you started it. The call to the police helps establish that you are the victim and they are the criminals.

Rob- What do I say to the police when I call?

Robyn – I recommend the say little approach.  As we train to use a firearm we also need to train concerning legal issues.  What is legal, where is it legal and what is justified.  We need to prepare for the physical battle and for the potential legal battle.

Rob- Let’s go on.

The second story happened last week in Saint Louis, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you deliver pizza?

You are delivering a pizza late at night. It is dark. You get out of your car and walk up to the address with pizza boxes in hand.  Two men run from around the building. One of them has a gun. You raise your hands and one of them hits you on the head with his gun. You run to your car. The two men start shooting at you. Now you’re behind your car. You draw your pistol and shoot back. The robbers run. You drive away and call police.

Robyn – Pizza delivery is very dangerous.  Pizza drivers are traveling to unfamiliar places.  They have money.  Potential attackers have the advantage of knowing where and when they are summoning their potential victim.  In this case, it was a group of bad guys that were prepared to ambush the pizza delivery man.

Rob- So delivery drivers should be armed..and I hope trained.  What else?

Robyn- This is another example of the parking lot problem. Our hands are full when we leave the grocery store, and this pizza delivery driver had his hands full when he walked up to a strange building.

Rob- We’ve tied ourselves up with packages. He had his hands full of pizzas.

Robyn –  Be prepared to drop or throw all unnecessary items and get to business defending yourself.  I hope that he threw the pizzas as soon as he saw them running toward him.

Rob- What else should he do

Robyn – This encounter occured at night at an unfamiliar location.  I encourage people to carry a flashlight.  Flashlights are good for general safety and also let others know that you can see and identify them.  In some cases people attribute a sense of authority with the flashlight.  Police carry flashlights, that might be the only person that the criminals have seen using a flashlight.  It might be enough to get them to change their plan.  The pizza delivery man had his hands full but he could get the flashlight that attaches to the bill of a hat.  Hands free and he would be able to see.

Robyn- I don’t know what the front of the building looked like. Maybe running was a good idea, or maybe this driver wasn’t as confident about how much time he needed to present his concealed firearm.

Robyn – I would hope that all pizza delivery men have their head on a swivel, aware of their environment and at the first sign of trouble be prepared to leave the environment.

Rob- The driver shot back after he was being shot at. Did he need to wait, or was it justified to shoot first?

Robyn- As soon as the delivery driver was in fear of death or great bodily harm, he was entitled to self-defense.  In this case, he was being ambushed by multiple attackers that were armed with a gun.  He could most definitely articulate why he was in fear for his life.

Rob- The driver drove away before he called police. Is that a problem?

Robyn- Get to safety first. Then call the police.  I would advise to make that call as soon as possible. Our third story happened last week in Dawsonville, Georgia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you stop for gas?

You’re a middle aged woman. You’re filling up your gas tank in the middle of the afternoon. You see a sheriff’s deputy pull up to the gas station with someone in the passenger seat.  A moment later, the stranger is hitting the deputy. You hear the deputy cry for help. The shouts continue. You step to the passenger side of the patrol car and shoot the attacker. The attacker gets out of the car and runs across the street. There, he attacks an elderly lady. A group of people tackle the attacker and hold him until police arrive.

The deputy, the suspect, and the elderly woman were taken to a local hospital for treatment. The armed good samaritan was questioned and released.

Robyn- This is the second story this week where our defender is protecting other people.

Rob- Yep. It’s your lucky week, Robyn.

Robyn- It can be hard to tell who the bad guy or bad gal is in a domestic dispute. It is obvious when a robber is threatening our little children. It is also an easy situation to figure out when you see someone hitting a police officer and the attacker trying to take the officer’s gun. The officer was yelling for the homeless person to stop.

Robyn – A situation like this happened near us.  A man was attacking a police office along side the road.  A citizen stepped in and saved the police officer.

Rob- The attacker was able to run away after he was shot.

Robyn- The homeless attacker chose to run away rather than continue the attack and be shot again. We call that a psychological stop. A physical stop is when the attacker is unable to continue the attack even if he wanted to. Most gunfights end with a psychological stop.

Robyn – Can you believe that even after being shot and running away from a fight  the attacker ran across the street and attacked and elderly woman.  Obviously, he had not learned his lesson yet.  Luckily there was a group of people that tackled the attacker and held him until the police arrived.  

Rob- This happened in the daytime. There are other people around, and you are pumping gas next to a cop car. This doesn’t seem like a dangerous place.

Robyn- True. It is safer than a dark alley in the middle of the night, but it is never completely safe. We need to be aware of our environment at all times.  This woman had a gun on her body. She was prepared to help the police officer in a fraction of a second. She could have helped herself or her family that quickly too.

Rob- What training do your students go through so they can present a firearm that way?

Robyn- Safety, license or permit to carry, range practice so students have the skills to deal with the situation, mental practice so you recognized the situation, legal knowledge to know the rules of engagement and to understand the potential legal aftermath.   Lots of people saw the police officer being attacked. This woman recognized the problem and knew she could help and that she should help. She was mentally prepared as well as physically prepared.

Rob- Where do your students become mentally prepared like that?

Robyn- We talk about self-defense situations. We brainstorm what they could do and what they think they should do. We discuss what to look for in our environment.  This mental training reduces the likelihood that that we will freeze or panic.  Scenario based training increases the likelihood that we will be able to stay in a rational state and make good decisions.  We need to be able to analyze a fluid situation, make appropriate plans and take action.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, I enjoy it every time you’re with us. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 81 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 81. Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 81 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm to protect themselves.. and for those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Robyn Street is with us this week.

Hi, Robyn.  You went through the eye of a Hurricane since we talked.  Does all that prepping stuff really work?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

 

  • Grateful for the time we spend preparing

Comfort and health

Training and materials to defend ourselves if necessary

Training and materials to take care of medical issues

  • More than a few days with no power and no means of communication
  • We would not only be our own first responder, we would be our only responder
  • We live in an affluent community that become rather third world like in a few hours
  • You are preparing for a storm now.  Are you ready?

 

Rob- I hope so. We did some dry practice in the dark and worked with a flashlight.

Robyn, That is good practice. Let me say hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Today we’ll look at three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your self-defense exercise program. If you have any comments, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Robyn- Our first story took place last week in Hammond, Indiana.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are in your room, but you hear a crash at your front door.  There are voices and then shouts.  You hear a stranger order your three roommates to go down to the basement. The robber says he has a gun. You duck back into your room and grab your own gun.  You wonder if you should go downstairs to help your friends.  A few moments later, you see your roommates coming back up the stairs with the armed robber behind them.  You shoot the robber several times.  He drops the gun and all of you run outside.

You call police.

Robyn, was our defender lucky or was he prepared?

Robyn – Crash at the front door.  It sounds like the door was locked

Rob- A locked door is a poor man’s burglar alarm, and it works.  

Robyn- Thank goodness that our good guy was not in the room with his friends.  If they had all been rounded up together, who would help them?

Rob- It sounds like our defender was in his bedroom where he kept his gun.  What if he’d been in the bathroom at the other end of the house?

Robyn- Our good guy is lucky that he had the time and ability to get to his gun.

I’m glad he had a gun, but imagine how much better this could have been if the homeowners were carrying on body.  

Rob- So that is some homework.  He can get a carry license and carry on body.  What else did he do correctly?

Robyn – I was particularly worried when the robber moved everyone down stairs.  Don’t go with him.  In this case, there were multiple friend and one robber with a gun.  They were at the mercy of the armed robber.

Rob- Why is that a danger sign if a robber wants to move you?

Robyn- Your situation as the selected victim rarely improves if you are taken to a second location that your attacker get to select.  Often, that means the robber wants to kill you out of sight.

Robyn- I would not have suggested that our armed homeowner to have tried to work his way to the basement. Doors are hard to go through with a gun. Stairs are even harder.

Robyn- I would have preferred that the good guy barricade himself in relative safety or even exit the house to get to safety.  Once he was safe, he could call the police to get help on the way.

Robyn- In this case, our armed good guy was able to save his friends.  In this case, he shot their attacker until the robber dropped his gun and the threat went away. After that, they did a good job.  They got to a place of safety and then called the police.

Rob- So once he got his gun and stayed upstairs, he did pretty well.  Anything else?

Robyn- That is enough for now.  Our second story happened last week in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed at church late at night?

You are driving around the grounds of the Grand Strand Baptist Church. It is dark, and a man waves you down.  He asks if you have change for a 20 dollar bill.  You get out of your car and start to make change.  That is when the stranger draws his gun and points it at you.  He demands your money.

You hand over your wallet.  As the robber walks away, you draw your own handgun.  The robber turns and shoots at you. Fortunately, he misses.  You fire back and wound the robber.

It isn’t clear who called police.

Robyn – Even at church we need to stay focused on self-defense. The criminal was conducting an interview with the conversation.  Fail that interview so that the bad guy goes to look for an easier target.

Rob- How do we fail that interview.

Robyn-  The answer is no.  No, I don’t have a match.  No, I don’t have the time, or have change.  In a dark parking lot all alone, the answer is no.

Rob- Unfortunately, our good got out of his car and showed some cash.

Robyn- Right.  That is when the robber produced a gun and demanded the wallet.  Remember that compliance does not guarantee safety.  At first it looked like the robber only wanted the wallet, but then the robber turned around and shot at the victim rather than run away with the money.

Rob- What should we do as a robber walks away.

Robyn – I am glad that the victim was focused on his safety after the robbery.  He had his gun ready to defend himself.  If possible, carry your gun on body.  You probably will not have time to go get anything.  You have what you have and that is it. Our victim fired after he was fired upon.

Rob- What do we do next?

Robyn- Run to safety, and then call the police.  If you can, find witnesses.

Rob- I’m noticing a pattern here. Like in the first story, we stop the threat, move to safety, and call police.

Robyn- That is the plan.  Our third story happened last week in Stanley, North Carolina

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re at home with your two small children.  It is 10:30 in the morning when you hear strange sounds coming from your back door.  Two men have entered your back porch and are prying at the back door to your house.  You step back and grab your handgun.  Then you walk towards the intruders and yell for them to get out of your house.  The intruders run. You call police.

Robyn – Locked doors slow the criminals down, force them to make noise.  Beyond that, this is a very common story.  The victim had a gun and the criminal ran. Even better, she had her door locked.

Rob- This could have been a very different story if the back door was open.

Robyn- The locked door gave her time to get her gun.  I would rather she had her gun on her.  Find a good holster (secure and comfortable) to increase the likelihood that you have your gun with you when you need it.

Rob- 10:30 in the morning seems like a safe time. She showed that her home was occupied and that she was armed.  Should she do that, or should she retreat to the kids room with her firearm and call police?

 

Robyn- That is a tough call.  She could have been shot in a gunfight if the criminals were armed.  She didn’t shoot through her back door.  That is good.

Rob- When do your students learn to make those decisions?

Robyn- Using these stories is a great way to practice the decision making process.  Thinking about what happened to other people lets our brain compare different plans. That takes away some of the element of surprise if it happens to us.  

We want our brain to say “well we knew this might happen and this is the best reaction to this situation, so get to work.

Mental rehearsal helps to reduce the likelihood of the startle freeze or time wasted in the denial loop.

Rob- You talk about these examples with your students?  Are you teaching again after the hurricane?

Robyn- They come up with great ideas as we talk about these stories.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and you can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.

Robyn- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 71 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 71. Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you react in their situation? (18:16 )

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 71 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  I know you were busy last week.

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Robyn- Our first story took place last week in Dothan, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at church late on a Sunday night?

You’re working late.  It’s 10:30 at night and you’re preparing for a youth field trip that starts in a few hours.  Almost everyone has left the church and gone home.  You hear someone outside your office.  A few seconds later, a 26 year old man with a knife comes through your door and tells you to hand over your money.  You’re armed.  You stand up.  You reach for your wallet with one hand and reach for your firearm with your other hand.  You shoot the robber once in the chest.  The robber runs before you can shoot again.  Then, you call police.  The police find the robber in the parking lot.  They say the robber attacked someone else in the church a few minutes before he attacked you.  The robber was a convicted violent felon.

Robyn- Secure your environment – lock the doors at home and at the office

Rob- Churches have an open door policy.

Robyn- Was it a pattern to stay late and alone before a trip.

Rob- large churches have security.

Robyn- Initial advantage went to the bad guy.

Robyn- But…Good guy had a gun and successfully reacted to the situation.

Robyn- Good discipline to stop after the threat no longer existed.  After only 1 shot that would be difficult to determine.

Robyn- Psychological stop but it worked.

Rob- What if the church was a gun free zone?

Robyn- Go find another church.

Robyn- Our second story happened last week north of Spokane, Washington.

Rob- Second story- Do you have to call your dad to ask if you can use one of his guns?

You’re a 17 year old girl sitting in your room late on a monday morning.  You live out in the country with your mom and dad.  Your boyfriend calls to tell you he saw a lot of police on the nearby roads.  The police are looking for a fleeing felon in your area.  You call your dad and explain what is going on. You ask if you can borrow one of his guns..the one you have have shot many times before.  He says yes, so you load his revolver and put it near your bed.

A few minutes later you hear the sounds downstairs of someone opening the back door.  You hear someone walk across the wooden floor and start up the stairs.  Your mom and dad are at work, so you grab your dad’s gun and slide into a corner away from your bedroom door.  A stranger opens your door and sticks his head inside your room.  He is looking down the barrel of your gun.  You yell, “Get out of my house!”  The robber leaves.  You slowly follow him as he leaves the way he came.  You call police, but it takes them quite a while to get to your house.

They show you a picture, and you identify your intruder as their fleeing felon.

Robyn – I am so glad to hear that the father had been working with her. She was familiar with it and respected it.

Rob- A single action, long barrel, 22 revolver?

Robyn- I would not be my first choice but if that is what she had and what she knew how to use.   It obviously was sufficient in this case.

Rob- Old enough to be left alone, then old enough to protect themselves.

Robyn- Again I am going to start with lock your doors and windows.

Robyn- Just because heard someone in the house target identification is so important.  She “knew” her mom and dad were at work.  But what is one of them had come home to be with her or if her boyfriend had come over to protect her?

Robyn- I am glad that she decided to position herself so that she was a small target in a corner away from the door.

Robyn- Again this was a psychological stop.  In this case she did not even have to fire a shot.  Great discipline on her part.

Robyn- I would make sure that there was plenty of distance between them as she followed the felon out of her house.

Robyn- Great job calling the police.

Robyn- I hope that she locked the doors after he was gone.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Rancho Cucamonga, California.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home just after dawn?  

You’re at home on a Saturday morning, a day when most of us can sleep in.  You’re woken up by a strange sound from your garage.  You hear it again.  You get up and grab your gun.  You open the back door to see someone sitting in your car.  You yell for him to leave.  He does.  He gets out of your car..and then starts walking toward you with a large knife in his hand.  You shoot him twice in the chest.  Now he runs to a waiting get-away car.  You call police.  They arrest him at the hospital and find narcotics in his car.  The robber has a criminal history and is out on parole.

Robyn- OK once again harden your environment.  Lock your office, lock your house and lock your garage.

Robyn-  If the robber is in the garage and you are in your house.  I would suggest staying in your house and calling the police.  Position yourself to defend yourself if necessary.  By opening his door to investigate what was going on in his garage the bad guy had the ability to physically get to the homeowner.

Robyn- When the robber was coming at the homeowner with a large knife, that was a deadly threat.

Robyn- Thank goodness our homeowner had his gun with him.

Robyn- The homeowner shot him twice and that was enough to stop the threat.  Good for him to have the control to stop.

Robyn-Be prepared to take additional shots to defend yourself in case the robber changes his mind or his accomplices decide to continue the attack.  If the robber can run, he can still attack.

Robyn- Great job calling the police.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-   We share this podcast with you for free, and ask that you share it with a friend.  Please give us a rating on ITunes.  The podcast is also available on Google-play and on stitcher.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 55 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 55 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 55 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

We‘ve been busy.  We were at the  tactical conference last week in Little Rock, Arkansas.  It was good to see you there.  We also took a MAG 40 class.  I have the Florida State Shoot for The Well Armed Woman next week.    I’m lucky to see old friends and make new ones at these classes.  Speaking of old friends, welcome back to our regular listeners, and hi to our new listeners.

On this podcast, we report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Louisiana.

Rob- First story- Are you armed at home when you answer the doorbell early in the morning?  You’re asleep in your home in Breaux Bridge, Louisiana.  You wake up as someone rings your doorbell again and again.  It isn’t easy to wake up at 3 in the morning.  Half awake, you are about to answer the door when your spouse tells you to take your gun with you.  You see one man standing outside your back door.  The stranger said his car broke down and he needed help.  The strange man turns his head to one side as he speaks.  You open the door a crack and look in the same direction.  There you see a man dressed in black clothes standing by your rose bushes.  The second stranger is wearing a mask and carrying a rifle.  You slam the door closed and yell a warning to your family.  The robber kicks in the door.  You take two steps back and shoot your attacker.  He was the man carrying the rifle.  You move the rifle away from the robber who is now laying on the ground.  You and your family are uninjured, but you’re sure shaken up.

Police arrest both the injured robber at the scene, and they arrest the second injured robber a few miles away.  Both were taken to a local hospital in critical condition.  Both suspects are wanted for an armed robbery and shooting that occurred in Baton Rouge the day before.  In that incident, the homeowner was shot.  Both robbers have a criminal record.  No charges will be filed against you.

Robyn – Prevention – harden your home – Now is the time to do everything that we can to prevent an attack and to make ourselves as safe as possible if we are attacked.

  •        A gate around the property if possible – keep people off your property
  •        Motion sensored lighting
  •        Cameras – interior and exterior
  •        Camera doorbells – limited field of view but you can see and talk from a distance
  •        Trim shrubbery – eliminate “hiding” places or blind spots
  •        Fortify the locks – deadbolts etc.
  •        Alarm systems – some have panic buttons and sirens
  •        Use the locks and alarms!  I am amazed at the number of people who leave the doors unlocked and only set the alarm when the go on vacation

Attackers don’t want to be seen or heard.  If you are too much of a “problem” for them there are so many others that they can go rob or attack.  No guarantee but I want to do everything that I can to prevent it.

It seems obvious that our homeowner was already behind the curve when the door bell is ringing over and over and our sleepy homeowner is heading down to the door.

Rob- This homeowner was really lucky that his spouse stopped him from opening the door unarmed.

Robyn – It is important to have the gun close, preferable in a holster, in case the homeowner needed it.

Rob – So this homeowner did something right.  He had a gun

Robyn – Yes, and he had already decided to protect his family if they were threatened.  That is great.  Now imagine how much better this scenario could have been if the husband AND the wife had both had a gun and were prepared to work together.   Working together is a huge force multiplier.

Rob- I need a solid door.  My wife and I need to be armed.  What else can we learn from this couple’s experience?

Robyn – Do NOT open the door not even a crack!

  •         That is why I like the new doorbells – you can see and talk to someone on the outside without opening the door.  You could be upstairs in a relatively safe room with your loved ones while you are instructing the person at your door to leave.  It would be great if another family member was on the phone with 911.  That would get help on the way and the 911 recording would document that you tried to get them to leave.
  •        You have to train your spouse, housemate and children not to open doors for strangers.
  •       Sometimes they use a decoy to get the door open and then the real attack begins.  In this case the bad guy at the door did not appear too threatening (someone unprepared might open the door to help him) but his accomplice in the rose bushes with a rifle and a mask (I don’t think even an unprepared person would have opened the door to help him.
  •       Schedule some time to train your housemates.  

Rob- You can do that tonight.

Robyn – In this case the bad guy said that the car was broken down and he needed help.  I am pretty skepticism about car broken down story – almost everyone today has a cell phone.  They can call for help.

Robyn – If I decided to talk to them through my doorbell camera/speaker, I don’t know how to fix a car.  I could offer to call 911 for them.  I imagine that they robbers would not be likely to hang around if I tell them that I have already called 911 and help is on the way.

Robyn – Sometimes they know to see if someone is home – if not burglary is easier

       Sometimes they want someone home

– use to open safes, get valuables

– might just want to attack

In either case if they know that police are on the way.  The clock has started on this attack. They don’t want to be around when the police arrive.

Robyn- Slammed door and yelled for the family.  

Do they know what to do? Come to him, hide, run??    

Family discussions and drills.

Robyn – I noticed that the homeowner took 2 steps back   If the robber with a rifle was advancing toward the homeowner, the robber could go much faster going forward than the homeowner could go backward. The robber would have his sights on the homeowner.  The homeowner would have to be careful not to trip.  If possible, work toward an angle.  If there was time, the homeowner should try to put a barrier between like furniture or a couch.  I imagine this happened very fast once the bad guys decided to enter the house.

Robyn – The homeowner shot the man with the rifle first.  Good job that robber was the most immediate threat.

Robyn – After the robber was shot and had fallen to the ground, the homeowner kicked the rifle away.  If the homeowner could safely get the weapons away it is a good idea.   

Robyn – As soon as it is safe to do so call 911.  Get the police and an ambulance on the way.

Rob- The Bureau of Justice Statistics said that almost half of us will be victims of a violent crime sometime in our lifetime.  The average hides more than it reveals.  Your chance of being attacked depends on where you live and what you do.    Some of us are less likely to be attacked, and some of us are more likely.

Robyn – Tom Givens says that it is not the odds but the stakes that is important.  You are not very likely to lose your family tonight, but who wants to take that chance.

Rob- Good point.  Let me say thank you to all our listeners who own a gun and are trained to use it.

Robyn- Our second story took place in Missouri.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed when you work at a kid’s party store?

You own a party store in North Saint Louis.  The room is filled with rubber balloons, helium balloons and mylar balloons.  You’re busy preparing the next  order when a teenage customer walks in at 11 o’clock in the morning.  The customer looks around the store and selects the balloon he wants.  He brings it to the cash register. Instead of reaching for his wallet,  the teenage boy pulls back his coat and shows you the grip of a gun that is tucked into his pants.  “Give me the money,” he says.

You’re armed.  You see a lethal threat.  You grab the handgun that you keep behind the counter and fire one time.  The robber turns and runs from the store.  You check, and neither you, nor your customers, nor any bystanders are hurt.  Then you call the police.  The police say they will charge the teenage robber when he gets out of the hospital.  You won’t be charged.

Robyn- obvious that the store owner understood that this could happen.

Rob- So the store owner made a decision and had a gun?

Robyn – He was physically prepared – he had a gun at work.  He was mentally prepared to use lethal force to defend himself.

Rob- What if the robber had been talking to the owner and they were both standing in the middle of his store when the robber drew his gun?  Then the store owner would have been disarmed even though the robber still has a gun.

Robyn- You don’t have a gun if it is out of reach.  On body carry would have been better for the shop owner.  Also, call the police as soon as possible.

Rob- So this store owner had a gun.  Maybe some of our listeners are shop owners.  I bet your students ask you this question all the time.  What should someone do if they are not familiar with firearms and they want a gun for personal protection?

Robyn- Go shooting with an instructor or a trusted friend.  Take a class, because knowing what to do and how to do it is much more important than the particular hardware you use.

Rob- If you want to get somewhere, you need a map.

Robyn- Right.  It will take a few trips to the range before you find the gun that is right for you.  Gun owners need to know how to safely operate their firearm and they need to learn how to shoot.

Get some scenario based training too.  That is a fancy way of saying you want to act out your self-defense training with other people.  You put your skills and training to the test without the possibility of injuring anyone.  That way we can safely look at each action to see what went well and what we could improve.

Rob- You told me you used to use these stories with your students so they could brainstorm solutions.  Do you still do that?

Robyn- I do.  I had a meeting last night.  We ran through the scenarios to brainstorm ideas and consequences of our action choices.  Great discussion.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Georgia.

Rob- and we’ll hear about being armed in Georgia after this brief message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  Your job is pretty simple.  They call, and you come fix their problem.  You’re a maintenance man for a chain of sandwich shops in Acworth, Georgia.  You arrive early  in the day so the customers wouldn’t see you working on the cooling and washing equipment during the lunchtime rush.  You are almost finished with this repair and it is only 10:30 in the morning.  You hear shouts from the front of the store near the sandwich counter.  You turn and see a 20 year old standing behind the counter with a gun. You know the employees, and he isn’t one of them.  This thug is pointing his gun at the clerk.  You draw your own weapon and shoot the thug once in the chest.  The attacker turns and runs from the store.

Police say a getaway car dumped the injured robber at a local urgent care clinic.  The robber will be charged once he gets out of the hospital.  You are not facing charges.

Rob- You’re a third party to the robbery.  Should you be a good witness or get involved?

Robyn- As a third party you have no duty to intervene.

Robyn – Take some time now to make a mental list of people and situations where you’re going to use lethal force to defend someone.  Intervening in a third party dispute means that you are risking your treasure and your freedom and your life to defend that person.

Robyn – People should be responsible for their own safety.  It is not our duty as gun owners to defend someone who has neither training nor a gun.

Rob- Some adults chose to be disarmed.

Robyn-  Right, but kids didn’t have a choice.  Now is the time to make the moral decisions about what you would do, not in the moment of the attack.

Rob- You won’t have time to think, but you will have time to execute the actions you already considered.  The maintenance man decided he would protect some people he knew if a stranger threatened them with a gun.  That was his plan.

Robyn- When you’re protecting a stranger, you have to be sure of the details from beginning to end.  In this case, the entire robbery took place in front of the defender.

Rob- So the defender had a plan on when he would use deadly force for personal protection.  Did he have a plan on when to stop shooting?

Robyn- Yes.  The maintenance man only fired one shot.  Good discipline – as soon as the threat stops, so does the justification to use lethal force.  Those simple rules allow us to act quickly and to stop quickly.

Rob- What is the next step?  What is the next simple rule we want to know?

Robyn-  Make sure you’re safe, then call 911. This not only gets help on the way, it is the beginning of the next fight.  That is the potential legal battle.

Rob- Exit- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  They can also contact us on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 46 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories where we talk to people who think they might want a gun for self-defense.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  How have you been, Robyn?

Robyn – Hi, Rob.  We have been very busy with classes and range events. We have a night shoot coming up.  This gives our students a chance to train in daylight, twilight and in the dark.  It is important to prepare for any lighting situation. We are conducting training classes prior to the event to prepare the students.  We are using blue guns to teach them the skills that they will need. This  training allows them to learn the skills, practice dry fire at home, participate in supervised drills and scenarios at the range. Great opportunity.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners from the Self-Defense Radio Network.  We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  A convenience store clerk saw two men walk into his store at 3:30 in the morning.  Even at that early hour on a weekday, there were 5 people playing video games in the back of the store in Cartersville, Georgia.  The two visitors were wearing masks and carrying guns.  The clerk’s name was James, and he ran back to the office room behind the counter.  This room has a solid door and is where most stores keep and count their money.  The robbers were right behind him.  As James tried to close the door, the robbers struggled to push it open.

James reached around the door and shot the closest robber.  The robbers fired back as they ran.  The wounded robber was left behind by his two partners.  The robber died by the time police arrived.

Robyn – Avoid gas stations after dark or in sketchy areas (tank management)  

Rob- James stopped mass murder. (6 potential victims.)

Robyn – 5 people playing video games at 3:30 am.  Distracted!.

Robyn – Training video – run, hide, fight.  James did just that.  Glad James planned ahead for the fight and had a firearm.  Previsualization – had a plan.

Rob- James had a lot to think about, and probably more to handle than he could think about at the time.

Robyn – Situational awareness gains time to retreat and to get the response plans started.

Robyn – retreat to back room might be a good idea – less likely to hurt what you can’t see.  Construction of “safe room” is important.  Quality, construction materials, contents

Robyn – when I see the clerks encased behind the bulletproof glass I think good for them, how bad is this neighborhood and how quickly can I get out of here.

Robyn – James did not get to room quick enough to get the door shut and secured.  Two armed men within a foot of each other staring eye-to-eye.  Depending on the construction of the door either one could have shot through the door.  

Robyn – James reaching around the door.  How secure was his grip? Potentially disarmed.

Rob- And James faced three attackers.

Robyn – James defended his life so good for him.

Robyn – After the event was over there were a few problems.

Robyn – Don’t try to count the shots.  Leave details for the investigators.

Robyn – Don’t get interviewed by reporters.

Robyn – Save your statement for your lawyer.  Be prepared to give a statement to the police after you have had an appropriate amount of time.  Police have time (around 48 hours) for a sleep cycle and to dump all the additional adrenaline.  Be prepared for effects of stress and adrenaline on the body.    

Robyn –  Since he was carrying a firearm for self-defense, I hope that he is a member of an organization like the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

Robyn – Important to prepare for the physical battle and the potential legal battle.  We are hosting Andrew Branca again this year.  Law of Self Defense seminar.

Robyn – Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home?  A homeowner was in the back of his house at about 7:30 on christmas morning.  He heard an unusual sound of a door closing.  It is an ordinary sound, but this homeowner lives alone, and santa uses the chimney.  The homeowner grabbed his gun and opened the door to his bedroom.  That is when the homeowner saw a stranger wearing a santa hat.  The homeowner raised his gun and santa ran out the garage door, the way he’d entered.  Police found the intruder nearby.

Robyn – Probably the last thing he expected at 7:30 in the morning on Christmas.

Rob- How many gun owners have an unloaded gun and think they are protected.  

Robyn- If that is how you store your gun, then I want you to time yourself.  How long does it take to lock your door, get your gun, your ammunition, and load your weapon?  Let us know, and we’ll post the times on this podcast.  I bet it takes you over a minute.

Robyn – Shame on him for leaving his garage open.  Make your home a hard target that is not worth the risk or effort.

Robyn – Homeowner was prepared.  He had a firearm to protect himself.

Robyn – Homeowner stayed in control.  He evaluated the intruder and decided to give verbal command to get out of his house.  It worked so no shots were fired.  He let the police do their job.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Alabama, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Third story- Do you carry a firearm with you when you’re driving you car and need to stop for gasoline?  

A man stopped to get gas in Heflin, Alabama.  The customer paid for his purchase inside the store and was walking out when he ran into an unavoidable problem.  It was about 11 at night, and there stood a man dressed in black from head to toe and wearing a mask.  Then the man in black pulled a gun and said “Don’t leave, stay where you’re at or I’ll kill you guys.”  This was a robbery.

The customer was armed.  He drew his own firearm and shot at the robber twice.  The robber drove off.  The armed customer followed him outside.  The robber drove toward the armed customer, and the customer shot at the car.

Robyn – Back at a gas station at night.

Robyn – Police said that the armed robbers watched the establishment from a parked car.  If you see something that concerns you call the police.  Situational awareness, evaluation and decision making are all important.

Robyn – Compliance does not guarantee safety.

Robyn – Customer tried to get away told to stay or would be killed.  He had fulfilled the elements to be justified to defend himself.  He was prepared.

Robyn – After the armed robber left the store, I would prefer it if the customer would have let him go and called the police.  

Robyn – shooting at the car could endanger bystanders, bullets may not react as expected when they hit a car.  A vehicle defense class is very eye opening experience.

Robyn – In this case, the car was used as a weapon against our good Samaritan.  He needed to move to get objects between himself and the oncoming car.  Concrete posts on parking spots in from to the convenience store or the building itself.

Robyn – If the good Samaritan had stayed inside and called the police, the second confrontation may not have occurred in the parking lot.  As soon as you can safely call the police do it.  Let them track down the bad guy.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  We have a night shoot on January 7th and we have Andrew Branca coming to town to teach the law of self-defense on the 28.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 39 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 39 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction-  Rob- Welcome to episode 39 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is proud to be a member of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by instructor Robyn Street.  Hi, Robyn.  You had a Glock Range Day at the Louland Gun club in Naples Florida.  How did that go this year?

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Robyn – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in South Carolina.

First story-  Are you armed when you stop to buy gasoline?  The victim was buying gasoline at a convenience store in Aiken, South Carolina.  It was shortly after 6:30 in the morning.  An armed robber came up beside the victim and demanded money.  The victim gave the robber the $15 he had in his wallet.  The robber then ordered the victim to get in the car.  The robber started shooting, but it isn’t clear if that was inside the car or outside.  The victim reached into his car, grabbed the gun he kept there, and shot the robber several times.  The victim ran inside the store and called police.   The robber died at the scene.

The robber appears to be a drug addict.  He was out on bond for a burglary in one county, and for shoplifting in another county.

Robyn

  • Gas stations are very dangerous places.
  • So, I tell my students to plan-ahead.  I advise them to always have at least half a tank of gas.  That gives them some cushion room so that they can plan to get gas at a relatively safer times and at safer places.

Rob- This was 630 in the morning, but a druggie needs drugs when a druggie needs drugs.

 

  • Be careful not to lose your situational awareness at the pump.
  • Distracted by getting out our wallet to pay and putting it away.  Robbers like to get our wallets and while we are at the pump be careful that your wallet is out as little as possible.
  • Don’t tempt the bad guys by keeping your wallet out where it can be seen.
  • Our victim had let his guard down.  Don’t let people get that close.  Scan your environment!
  • If you see something that makes you uncomfortable, say something like “Stop, that is close enough.”  That is great advice from John Farnam.  We need to get over worrying about appearing to be rude.  That simple statement lets the person know that you are aware the they are there and that you are not going to be an easy target.  
  • Your action may also draw the attention of others. Potential witnesses.
  • The victim gave the robber $15.  Compliance does not guarantee safety.  
  • In this case the robber told the victim to get in the car.  My advice would be never get in the car.  Fight for your life where you are.   
  • We don’t know why the robber started shooting.  But once it starts happening why really does not matter.
  • The victim reached in his car to grab his gun. It would have been much better if he had been wearing his gun.
  • After he had shot the robber, the victim went inside to call the police.  That was the right thing to do. He ran inside where there would more witnesses.  As soon as the call can safely be placed.  Call 911 and get police and medical assistance to your location as soon as possible.  Then prepare for their arrival. “Officer thank God that you are here.  I am the one that called.  This man tried to murder me…
  • I think that this is a great story.  We all go to gas stations.
  • You won’t have time to think if this happens to you.  That is why we need to think ahead.  We need to run through what if plans all the time so that we create mental pathways and plans for our brain to fall back on if a horrible event occurs. Instead of suffering from either analysis paralysis or denial, we need for our brain to say well I knew this might happen.  Here is what I need to do and get on with it.
  • Scenario training is so critical in our self-defense plan.  

Robyn – Our second story took place in West Virginia.

Second Story-  Are you armed when you answer the door at home?  A man was at home early on a weekday morning with his wife and child.  He answered a knock at the door.  As he unlocked the door, two armed and masked men pushed their way inside.  They hit the male homeowner in the head.  The homeowner grabbed a gun he had in the home and shot both robbers.  The robbers limped away.  One or the robbers was shot in both knees.  Police took one of the robbers to a local hospital.  They later arrested the second robber and his female getaway car driver.

  • This just goes to show you that we need to be prepared at all times.
  • not a time when we think that we will be attacked but this proves that you never know.
  • First of all, I would suggest installing a camera or at least a peep hole so that he could see who was at his door.  You should not open your door for a stranger.
  • Here we see that he was overpowered by two armed robbers.  The armed robbers hit the man in the head.
  • He was lucky that he was able to get to his gun.  There is no guarantee that he would have been able to get to his gun.  That is why a good rule is pants on gun on (POGO).  
  • Lucky for the family that he was able to get to his gun.  If they had been victorious over him.  They would have turned their attention to the wife and the child.
  • This is why we encourage families to train together. If the wife would have been prepared to defend her family she could have helped to protect her husband.  Working as a team is a force multiplier.
  • Another benefit of working as a team is that during the planning stages, each person will become more situationally aware and their communication skills will improve.
  • Good the homeowner prevailed, but we certainly do not train to make knee shots.  His shot placement was suboptimal but it worked so in this case, good for him.
  • As soon as the imminent threat is over and he could safely call the police, he needed to get that done.  
  • The police did a great job and caught the two robbers and their getaway driver.  

Robyn- Our third story took place in New Mexico.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home in the morning?  It was about 11 in the morning when five young men kicked in a front door of this Las Cruces, New Mexico home.  The robbers were armed with knives and a hatchet.  The homeowner was struck on the head and stabbed several times before he was able to grab his firearm.  He then shot at the robbers.  The robbers ran from the home.  One of the robbers was shot in the leg and left on the driveway.  The other four robbers drove away in a gray car.

Neighbors heard the shots and called police.  They arrested the robber lying on the drive way, and had emergency medical techs transport both the homeowner and the robber to hospitals for treatment.  The robber was arrested for two felonies and a misdemeanor.  The homeowner is expected to fully recover.

Robyn- This is our carry all the time episode, isn’t it.

Rob- Seems to be.

  • This is even worse than the last story.  Now we have five young men kicking in the door.
  • They were armed knives and hatchets.  If we had made that up in a training scenario the participants would have thought that we were being silly and that this could never happen.  Well, surprise, here it is in real life.
  • We were told that the homeowner grabbed his gun.  I hope that he had it in a holster on his body.  After being hit in the head with a hatchet and stabbed several times he would not have had much of a chance to go get to his gun.
  • I am so glad that he did not give up.
  • This reminds me of a watch repair man, Lance Thomas.  He had been targeted as a victim several times.  In an interview about one of the attacks, the reporter asked Lance how he kept going even after he had been shot?  Lance looked at the reporter and simply stated that he was not out of ammunition and he was not dead yet.
  • This homeowner was literally fighting for his life – outnumbered and injured he prevailed.  Never give up! Never surrender!
  • He only shot one of the attackers but it was enough to convince the robbers that it was time to get out of there.  Good for our victim but we cannot count on that to work every time.

Rob- Most of the time, the robbers stop when the homeowner presents his gun.  That is the rule, and the homeowner only has to shoot one time out of 12.  In this case, a gun scared away 4 of the 5 robbers.

  • The neighbor called the police.  It would have been better if our victim would have been able to make the call first.  It is best to be the first one to get to make that call.  Get your side of the story told first.
  • In this case, he may have been too injured to make the call.  If that is the case, thank goodness that a neighbor stepped up to make the call.  It is great if you have a good relationship with your neighbors.  You can look out for each other’s safety.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn – If these examples gave you something to think about, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 31 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 31 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- We’re back with episode 31 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and I’m joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  How have you been, Robyn?Robyn Street

Robyn – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you love.

Our first story took place this month in Florida.

First story-  Are you ready to protect the people you love at home after dark?  Three men broke into a home in Port Richey, Florida just before 9 at night.  At least one of the three robbers was armed.  The armed robber pointed a gun at the male homeowner and ordered him to the ground.  The robbers then went through the man’s pockets.  The female homeowner went to her bedroom and retrieved her gun.  She returned to the living room where her husband was being held face down on the floor.  She told the robbers not to move.  The armed robber turned toward the armed homeowner and she shot the robber once in the shoulder.  All three robbers ran.  The male homeowner tackled the armed robber as he was leaving.  The homeowner and a neighbor held the wounded robber until police arrived.

Robyn – Illusion of being “safe” at home.  

Robyn – She had to go to the bedroom to get her firearm.  

Rob- I’d ask our listener to conduct an experiment and time themselves.  You have to do this safely without pointing a loaded gun at your family.  If you have a gun for self-defense, then set your cell phone in the middle of your house and start it timing.  Go from the middle of your house and get your gun.  Make it ready to fire.  Then, walk quickly back to your cell phone and read the time.

Robyn- You could do this with dummy ammunition rather than live rounds.

Robyn – We train couples to consider splitting apart.  

Robyn – she shot him in the shoulder

Robyn – she had no duty to tell them not to move

Robyn – husband chased the robbers as they were running away.

Robyn – Our second story took place in Kentucky.

Second Story-  If your teeenagers are old enough to be left alone, are they old enough to have access to your firearms?  A sixteen year old boy heard someone in his house Saturday morning.  He wondered if it was his sister who usually works weekends.  Then the teenager heard the intruder’s voice, and it definitely was not his sister.  The teenager grabbed his gun.  He looked out his bedroom door into the hallway and saw an intruder with a knife.  The teenager told the intruder to drop the knife.  The armed intruder said, “No.”  That is when the armed teen pointed his gun at the intruder.

The intruder backed up, dropped the knife, and ran.  The teen called police.  Police were already familiar with the intruder.  This looks like a case of mistaken identity in a drug deal gone wrong.

Robyn – This brings up a question that we often hear…How old is old enough to train children about firearms.

Robyn – The teenager grabbed his gun. You would have to check state law to find out what the requirements are to determine if the teenager should have had access to the gun.

Rob- there is a difference between a found gun and a gun they handle under supervision.

Robyn –  The teenager told him to drop the knife … NO … he pointed the gun at him and he ran away.

Rob-What happens next?

Robyn – After the event it is so important to be the first one to call the police.

Robyn – The intruder mistakenly thought he was involved in a drug deal gone wrong.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Illinois.

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Third story-  Are you armed in your car?  A concealed carry holder in Granite City, Illinois dropped off a friend late at night after work.  One report says the driver was in the car.  A second report says the two men were standing next to the car when a stranger walked up to them.  The stranger presented a gun and announced a robbery.  The concealed carry holder drew his firearm and shot the robber.  This is where the news reports start dropping details.  We do know that the local prosecuting attorney praised the victims for defending themselves.

Robyn- If you are in a car and you can get away.  Get away!

Robyn- If he was outside of his car (second report), he needed to be using his situational awareness skills.  

Robyn- Evidently all the prior material had failed.  The driver had a gun pointed at him.  

Rob- Why was the victim justified in using lethal force?

Robyn- Get insured.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Robyn –  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com  and on Facebook.  We design custom training as well as offer standard group classes.

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I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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