Episode 125 with Andee Reardon

Can you defend yourself and your customers at work? What should you do when the police arrive? We discuss four new examples of armed defense. (23 minute audio)

I’m glad you found us. Welcome to episode 125 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Andee Reardon.

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working and shooting and enjoying some outdoor activities here in Maine.

Rob- Andee, how do you listen to the show?

Andee– I listen to it on my phone while I drive

Rob- That is how most people listen. Please put us in your pocket every week, and give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Please leave a comment to tell us what you liked about the show.

Andee- A listener left us a message about one of our stories where a couple who went to buy a camera and got mugged. He asks how many times you have to let your girlfriend be punched before lethal force is justified. Alone, she would easily be justified to use lethal force to defend herself, but can she really claim disparity of force while you’re standing right there?

Further, my girlfriend is a former UFC fighter. Does that mean I would have been disallowed to employ a firearm completely until the attacker produces a weapon?

Andee- It’s really important to know the laws in your state.

Our first story took place last week in Columbia, South Carolina.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you work behind the counter?

It is time to close up, clean up the restaurant, and go home. You look up from behind the cash register to see a man dressed in black clothes. He has a black mask over his face. He also has a black gun in his hand, and the gun is pointed at you. The robber says to open the cash register. You and your co-worker open the drawer and step back.

The robber reaches over the counter to grab the cash. That is when your co-worker reaches across the counter and grabs the robbers gun. You are armed. You present your firearm and shoot the robber as the two men struggle.

Now your attacker lets go of his gun. You and your co-worker run into the back room, but then come back out because you’ve left your customers unguarded. The robber is lying at the front of your store and you call 911.

Andee- Great that the defender had a gun on his body.

Rob- He didn’t have enough time to go back into the office where some store owners keep their gun. HE had his gun on him when he needed it.

Andee- Exactly, and our defender waited his turn. He was legally justified to use his gun as soon as he saw the robber threaten people with a gun. It met the legal standard of a lethal and immediate threat. Drawing right then leads to a gunfight. You’d rather wait until you get to shoot them and they don’t get to shoot you.

Rob- So he waited until the robber was involved with his co-worker, and the co-worker didn’t have to win the wrestling match with the robber.

Andee- All our defender needed was a fraction of a second head start so he could shoot the attacker first. His co-worker gave him the time he needed to draw his gun without being shot.

Rob- Do you think they had a plan?

Andee- I think he thought about it before it happened. He recognized the opportunity the instant the robber had his attention on struggling for his gun.

Rob- Anything else?

Andee- I like that they retreated to safety rather than chasing the robber. I also like that they worried about the rest of the customers.

You want to honor the witnesses.

Rob- What does it mean to honor the witnesses?

Andee- Tell the customers to get back away from the attacker so they are safe. The attacker might have another gun or an accomplice. If you can, you want the customers and staff to stay at the restaurant. Ask them if they are hurt. Have them there for the police to interview.

Rob- is there more?

Andee- This attack happened in South Carolina, so you don’t need a permit to carry behind the counter of your business. It would be foolish to survive an attack at your store, and then be attacked as you took the money to the bank. South Carolina is a shall issue state, so anyone who is legally eligible to own a gun is eligible to take the training and get a carry permit.

Rob- Good point. Do many of your business owners have their carry permits?

Andee- A lot of my students are small business owners.

Rob- Do you teach them how to draw a gun from a concealed holster?

Andee- I do. I feel it’s important to train for any possible scenarios. I’m a big advocate of carrying on the body, but that’s not enough. You need that muscle memory that comes from practicing your draw and firing on the range.

Our second story happened last week in Macon County, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story- Do you have a gun nearby when you’re asleep at home.

You hear someone inside your house. It is four in the morning. You roll out of bed and grab your gun. Before you can lock your bedroom door, the intruder is in your room and he’s pointing something at you.  It is a nail gun. You shout for him to leave.

Instead of leaving, the attacker drops the nail gun and draws a handgun from the waist of his pants. Now you shoot him. The attacker shoots back, but misses you. Your attacker falls down and you run from the room.  You call police.

The police say that the attacker used a ladder to get in an upstairs sliding glass door that was left open. The attacker was also carrying methamphetamine.

Andee- I talk about leaving doors and windows unlocked in my classes, it’s an intruder’s favorite way to enter- it’s easy and quiet. Balconies are often left unlocked because homeowners think they are hard to reach, ladders make it very accessible and often homeowners leave those outside. By securing your windows and doors, you’re creating an obstacle that an intruder can’t pass without making noise which will hopefully wake you. If you’re a sound sleeper, window and door alarms are fairly cheap and easy to install. Noise and time are your friend because they give you a chance to grab your gun and prepare.

Rob- The robber came in the bedroom and pointed a nail gun at the homeowner.

Andee- If you have your gun in your hand and are behind your bed, then you can yell at the robber to leave. A nail gun isn’t a lethal threat at that distance. A real firearm is a distance tool, and the homeowner defended himself when the robber drew a gun that presented an immediate and unavoidable threat.

Rob- So you have your gun pointed at the intruder. If they are at the other end of the house with a knife you can’t shoot them, but if they have a gun then you can?

Andee- and you should shoot because your life is being threatened right now, and if they are between you and the door then you can’t escape the threat.

Rob- Say that you’ve shot someone in your room. They fall down. What do you do now?

Andee- That is a hard question. You’d like to grab your phone and your clothes..but those might be back in the bedroom. Depending on where you live and the time of year, you might run out of the house to be safe.

Rob- Maybe run to a neighbor’s house and ask them to call the police?

Andee- Unless you live up here in Maine and it’s the wintertime. Everyone should make a plan ahead of time as to what they would do in different emergencies and let family members and people in the house know those plans also.

Rob- Do you talk about this with your students?

Andee- We talk a lot about planning ahead, muscle memory and how those thing are important when you’re under stress.

Our third story happened last week in Roanoke, Virginia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

It is three in the morning. You’re working at an all night gaming parlor. A stranger walks in, and before you know it, you hear a gunshot. Now the stranger yells for everyone to get down on the floor, and he fires his gun again.

You’re armed. You draw your gun and shoot the robber. He falls to the floor and drops his gun.

You take the criminal’s gun and call the police.

The police arrest the getaway driver.

Andee- I like that the defender was armed. Here is what I tell my students to do. First, if possible, take cover. Then shoot.

Rob- Why is that the first thing to do?

Andee- We want to cheat. We want to have the bad guy standing in the open and being a great big target, while we are hard to see, and even harder to shoot. It is pretty natural to drop behind a counter if you hear a loud noise.

Rob- Announcing yourself with a gun would make a lot of people jump, so everyone was probably moving and ducking down wouldn’t draw attention to you.

Andee- Again, honor the witnesses. Ask if they are hurt and need immediate help. Ask them to stay down, but to look around, see if anyone else is hurt or if there is anyone else with the attacker.

Rob- Should you disarm your attacker once they are down?

Andee- Yes, if you can do so safely. To protect others.

Call the police.

Give a short statement.

Clear lethal threat since the bad guy fired first.

Rob- lets go on to our forth story.

Andee- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and about 80 percent wanted a fourth story.

Andee- I deserve a pay raise. Our last story took place in Cleveland, Ohio.

Rob- Fourth story- Do you have a gun accessible when you’re asleep at home?

You’re pretty sure someone just broke into your house downstairs. It is 2:30 in the morning. You get out of bed and grab your shotgun. You listen, and there are sounds coming from the first floor. You walk to the top of the stairs and wait.

You see a man turn the corner. You shout, “I’ll shoot you.” The intruder runs away. You call police. The intruder broke your kitchen window to get inside.

Andee- See? A locked window is easier to hear! The homeowner heard the noise of the window being pried open with a screwdriver. The homeowner was 68 years old. He used his shotgun as his defense gun and kept it ready.

Rob- So he probably didn’t want to go hand to hand.

Andee- He did not go investigate. He waited in a position of advantage. (good view. Only one direction of approach. You’re behind the wall or the floor, and they are out in the open. They have to work extra hard to come up the stairs to get to you.)

Rob- Should the homeowner have turned on the lights and shouted that he was armed?

Andee- Turning on lights is usually an advantage to the intruder- You already know the layout of your home. A tactical flashlight can be very useful though to help you see and blind the intruder. The homeowner didn’t chase the intruder, he waited. Calling out to warn you have a gun is important in some states so know the laws in yours.

Rob- Does this sort of attack happen very often?

Andee- There are lots of home break-ins. About one out of 40 of us will be the victim of a burglary or property crime each year. About 6 thousand of us defend themselves with a firearm every day, but I don’t know how many of those are the result of a robbery when the victim is at home. Here in the US, would-be robbers tend to pick homes at a time when no one is there. That being said, as the drug problem increases, these break-ins while the homeowner is present are becoming more frequent.

Rob- Do your students practice what to do in this situation?

Andee- Follow your safety plan: Get your tools, defend. Call police. Put your gun away when the police arrive.

Let the police clear the house rather than you doing it in the dark.

Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- Find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name. EastCoastSOS_ar

Rob- We appreciate the feedback we’ve received on having four stories. Leave us a message with comments or questions on the podcast facebook page and we’ll answer them on the show.

Andee- We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network at sdrn.us

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 118 with Andee Reardon

Are you armed at home and at work? Firearms instructor Andee Reardon brings us three new self-defense stories. (13 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 118 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Andee Reardon with us as co-host.

Hi, Andee.  How have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been teaching and training. Over the weekend I was at the Women Who Shoot retreat here in Maine. We had an awesome group of women who came and we had a blast shooting together.

And you?

Rob- I went to a three day training course for school teachers. Defending kids is deadly serious business and there is a lot to learn.

Andee- I love it! I hope more schools begin to do this and become open to the thought of arming teachers and staff.

Rob- Andee, please let our new listeners know what they’ll learn here.

Andee- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. Were they lucky, or were they well trained? What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Triadelphia, West Virginia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re behind the bar at the First and Last Shot Cantina. It is after midnight when you look up to see a stranger walk through the door. This stranger has a gun in his hands. You draw your handgun and point it at the robber. The robber turns and runs. You don’t shoot, but you do call police. Police dogs tracked the robber back to his car, but the robber wasn’t there.

Andee- on body or behind the counter? The story doesn’t say but I like to think he was carrying on body. You never know when you’ll need your pistol and the last thing you want is for it to be out of reach.

Rob- What would have happened if you were at the other end of the bar serving customers when a man walks in and presents a gun. Now the robber gets both the money AND your gun.

Andee- Please carry on body if you can. There are so many options for holsters out there, there aren’t many reasons not to carry on your person.

Andee- Sometimes just having a gun and being confident that you know how to use it is enough. The bartender quickly changed the scene when he drew his gun causing the robber to flee. I’m a firm believer that you shouldn’t carry unless you are prepared to shoot but often that isn’t even necessary..

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?

It is late at night and you’re getting ready for bed. You hear someone knock on  your front door. Then they ring the bell. They are banging on the door really hard, so  you look out the window. You see a strange man sitting in a car in your driveway and a strange woman beating on your door.

You grab the shotgun that you and your husband keep for defense. The strange woman walked around to the side of the house and began trying to open your side door. The intruder breaks the glass and you walk around the corner with your shotgun leveled at her.  The intruder sees you and your gun. Her hands go up in the air, she turns around and walk back to the car. Both the burglar and her getaway driver head down the road. You call police.

Andee- It’s so important to be armed at home with a gun and a plan. This women never had to fire a shot. She showed she was armed and willing to protect herself and that was enough for the would-be robbers. Criminals often work together. I’m glad the homeowner didn’t just open the door because she saw a woman outside. She looked around and noticed the man waiting in the vehicle parked outside.

Andee- What if the gun was on the other side of the house so the homeowner had to fight her way to her shotgun? Keeping your firearm accessible is important and if you don’t carry in your home, make sure you have staged weapons where you can easily grab one if needed.

Andee- Something I did notice that I wanted to point out was the homeowner put the barrel of the shotgun through the window. This is something you don’t want to do, it would give the intruders a chance to grab the gun and take it from her. Always keep that “reactionary gap” open so you have time and space to react to what is going on. Luckily everything went well for the homeowner and she is safe thanks, to owning a firearm.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Phenix City, Alabama.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re restocking the refrigerator case at a convenience store. It is 11 at night and a customer comes in with a gun in his hands. He tells you to give him the money in the register. That is exactly what you do.

Next, the robber tells you to get down on your knees and the robber puts a gun in your face. The robber turns away to grab some cigarettes. You grab your gun and shoot the robber three times in the chest. Then you call police. They transport the robber to the hospital and take the robber’s gun.

News reports said your gun was a 45.

Andee- This is another case showing why on the body carry is so important. The store clerk most likely wouldn’t have had a good opportunity to draw his gun had it not been on his body. He waited for the right moment to draw, when the suspect was distracted with grabbing some cigarettes. If someone has a gun aimed right at you and you try to draw, chances are you’ll be shot. Keep calm and wait for the right moment.

Andee- wait your turn.

Andee- Something I really took from this story was the clerk did not want to harm the man but was given a choice of shooting or the possibility of losing his own life. The media often portrays gun owners as bloodthirsty people who wish for the opportunity to use their gun. This man’s testimony shows he did not want to shoot and he even prayed for the man he shot, hoping he would be ok.

Exit-  Rob- And that wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 110 with Andee Reardon

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Andee Reardon brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (14 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 110 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Andee Reardon as co-host.

Hi, Andee.  How have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been good and running several classes this weekend.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What would you in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Ocala, Florida. This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You got a call from your mom. She is out of town but the security cameras noticed some motion in the front yard and called her smartphone. She recognized her ex-boyfriend creeping around her house and your mom called police. She also called you. The police came out, but didn’t find her ex-boyfriend.

Later, you hear a crash from the front of the house. You walk into the hallway to see mom’s ex-boyfriend heading for the bedroom where your younger brother and sister sleep. You shout and shoot the intruder. Now he runs.

You call police..again. They catch the intruder a few blocks away and take him to the hospital.

Andee- Many women who come to me for training want to carry a gun because they are worried this will happen to them.

Rob- How do you help them?

I was pleased to see she had a gun in the home and security cameras.  These are two things I always recommend in this type of situation.

Rob- Talk about access to firearms for your family.

Andee- It’s a good thing her son was there and was armed. Abusive relationships never end well and often the abuser will remain angry long after they seperate. He may have been looking for his ex girlfriend or wanting to take revenge on her children. Thankfully he was never given that chance.

Rob- You train families. How old do children be to be included in self-defense plans..and family problems like a violent boyfriend?

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Dallas, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

It is early in the morning and your shop is already open. A customer walks up and puts a bag on the counter. Then he demands the money from the cash register. You back away and the robber tries to pick up the entire cash register. That doesn’t work and the robber pushes you. There are other customers in the store.

You draw your gun and shoot the robber. Now he runs outside. You call police.

They find the robber sitting at a nearby gas station. He is arrested and taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg.

Andee- I wish we knew more about this story. The first thing I take from it is a man working at a store which is a typical target for robberies was ready and had a pistol for protection.

Rob- Do you have a larger requirement not to get hand-to-hand if you’re carrying a firearm?

Andee- Sounds to me like the cashier waited until things got physical before defending himself.

Rob-When can we defend yourself?

You can’t just shoot someone because they put a bag on the counter and demand money. If someone demands money, you have to make a choice to either comply or get away. Once they threaten physical harm, produce a weapon or physically attack you, you’ll need to protect yourself and quick.

Our third story happened last week in Roanoke, VA

 

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you sell your motorcycle?

You don’t ride any longer, so you want to sell your motorcycle. You find a buyer and agree to meet at a nearby parking lot just after work. It is still light out. You meet the buyer and his friend. Both men are in their early 20s. They like the bike. You ask for the cash before you sign over the title and bill of sale.

That is when the buyer draws a handgun and demands the keys. You draw your gun and shoot the robber in the neck. He drops his gun and falls to the ground. The other robber runs. You call police.

The robber is transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. Both robbers are charged with aggravated assault and aggravated robbery.

Andee-  This is why I teach to make sales and transactions at your local police department.

Andee-The man selling the bike was lucky his reaction was quicker than their action. Having a gun already drawn on you is a bad time to try to unholster. My guess is the would-be robbers thought he would be an easy target and underestimated him. He was outnumbered and a bit older than them. Guns are the great equalizer.

Rob- What would you do, and what would you tell your students to do?

It’s important to practice drawing your gun. You can do this in your home with your pistol checked and unloaded. Practice clearing your clothing and drawing from the holster. You should start out slow and get good muscle memory of how you will draw, then add speed. Drawing your gun should be quick and smooth but reholstering should be slow and deliberate.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 101 with Andee Reardon

Can you defend yourself at home? Firearms instructor Andee Reardon brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves and those they love. (15 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 101 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Andee Reardon as co-host this week.

Hi, Andee.  How have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  

It’s been busy, We are still digging out from the last snow storm and preparing for another one tonight!

 Two days ago I held a concealed carry clinic for women at a local gun shop! We packed the room with women and had a great time.

Rob- That is good to hear. Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- Each week at Self Defense Gun Stories we study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Our first story took place last week in Corpus Christi, Texas.  Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’re at home at 1:30 in the morning. You hear glass breaking at the front of your apartment. You also hear voices. You grab your gun you see your ex-boyfriend in your front room. He sees your gun and runs away. You follow him out the door. You shoot at him. Your neighbors tackle him, but he gets up and runs away. Now you call police.

After the police arrive, someone points out your ex-boyfriend’s car in the parking lot. He’s come back. Now the police chase him until he crashes his car.

Your ex-boyfriend was arrested on suspicion of burglary with intent to commit another crime, evading arrest, evading arrest in a vehicle and resisting arrest. He is in jail waiting to make his at $37,000 bail.

Andee- I wouldn’t want to wake up and get into a physical fight at 1:30 in the morning. I’m glad the homeowner was armed.

Rob- I don’t want that fight, and I’m a guy over 6ft tall.

Andee- That is why a plan is important. The moment the attacker started to run, the victim should have stayed in a safe area and waited for police. Most states don’t see it as self defense if the attacker is running away and you chase them.

Rob- You talk to your students about what to do if they are attacked? It is a legal jeopardy if you chase your attacker.

Andee- It is more than that. You’re also putting yourself in danger not knowing if he is running to retrieve a weapon or if there are more suspects outside with him. You’re inviting trouble and giving up the advantage you hold. By leaving the house you’re losing your use of cover.

Rob- It is pretty easy to stay in your bedroom and defend your doorway. It is harder to protect yourself when you’re out on the street.

Andee- One more thing, the time you spend chasing the bad guy is time your wasting when you could call the police and get help on the way.

Rob- Is there more?

Andee- A lot of my students were in abusive relationships. Women are at their greatest risk while leaving or just after leaving a relationship with an abuser. This man was so intent on hurting her he was willing to come back even when police were present. This is why I’m such a big advocate for gun rights, I want women to have the ability to keep themselves safe.

Rob- You talk to your students about that issue?

Andee- Yes, I’ve helped women make safety plans, install alarms and cameras and trained them in self defense and firearms. It’s a very dangerous time for them. I do what I can to keep them safe and teach them what to do if things get worse.

Our second story happened last week in Bunker Hill, West Virginia.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home in the morning.

You hear your dogs bark. Whatever is going on, they sure don’t like it. A second later you hear glass breaking at the back of your home. You grab your 9mm handgun and investigate. You see someone standing in your kitchen. You fire a warning shot into the floor and tell him to lie down. He comes toward you and you shoot again. You shoot him in the leg and he lies down. You call police.

They arrest the robber and take him to the hospital and then to jail. He’s being held on a 100 thousand dollar bond.

Andee- Aren’t dogs great? I teach my students to be aware of their dogs behavior and utilize them as alarm systems. Who knows what would have happened if this family did not own a dog.

Rob- I’ll have to buy an alarm instead.

Andee- Who knows what would have happened if they did not have a gun in the home. I’m glad they did but I did notice a few things that could have been done better.

Rob- What’s that?
Andee- The first thing was the warning shot. Using verbal commands and pointing your gun at the intruder should be all warning they need. You are responsible for every round you shoot. When you feel your life is being imminent danger, that is when you shoot.

Rob- Good idea. No warning shots.

Andee- The homeowner shot the man in the leg. I don’t know if that was intentional, the fact that he fired a warning shot makes me think it may have been. When you shoot in self defense it’s important to fire at what we call “center mass” which is the chest area. You need to stop the threat as quickly as possible. Shooting at the leg may not stop the attacker and under stress would be easy to miss altogether.

Rob- A gun is a lethal tool. Don’t use it or threaten to use it unless you’re facing a lethal threat.

Andee- There is an idea that being shot in the leg isn’t lethal. It is. Some of your largest arteries are down there. A gunshot can be lethal no matter where you shoot, and it is always considered as the use of lethal force.

Rob- Give me one more comment before we go on to our last story.

Andee- Two people lived in the home. If you can then grab your gun, close your door, and call the police. If there are two of you, then one can defend while the other one handles communications. Believe it or not, but you can’t talk and shoot at the same time. Protect yourself first.

Rob- That is the plan we talked about.

Andee- Exactly. Our third story happened last week in Austin, Texas.

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Rob- Third story- Do you have a gun nearby when you are in your bedroom?

You and your wife are asleep in your bed. You wake up when your wife nudges you. You thought it was your son talking to you, but you look up to see a stranger standing at the foot of your bed with a knife in one hand and a stick in the other.

The stranger says, ‘hey man . . . my wife is under the house and Chuck Norris is waiting for me and I’m having a hard time.’

You slowly reach for your gun and point it at the intruder. You dial 911.

The homeowner said the intruder never lunged toward him but appeared mentally disturbed. “If he’d had a gun rather than a knife I would have fired.”

Andee- I told you that dogs were a good idea. This man said his german shepherd would have torn the intruder apart but wasn’t in the home that night.

They are extremely lucky, if the intruder was able to stand over them while they were sleeping he could have killed them. Maybe they always depended on the dog to alert them and because the dog wasn’t home they didn’t wake up.  I wonder how he got in. Were the doors locked? Make sure an intruder has to break in rather than walk in. Even a simple alarm would help in a situation like this.

Rob- Should the homeowner have used his gun?

Andee- He did use it, but he didn’t need to press the trigger. He may have had the legal justification to shoot the intruder, but the homeowner did not see an immediate threat. He re-evaluated the situation and decided not to shoot.

Rob- What else?

Andee- The couple was in their bedroom so they could have used teamwork. One on defense. The other on the phone.

Rob- That is our theme for this episode.

Andee- There’s one more thing I want to know….

Did anyone find out what Chuck Norris was doing when this was happening??

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  Blake wrote in and said he was surprised. Everyone says that carrying a gun is uncomfortable, but Blake doesn’t find it so. He carries a Glock 19 in the appendix position inside the waistband. He says the only time he notices the gun is if he has to bend over to tie his shoes.

Andee- It is great to hear from you, Blake, and thank you for carrying. Finding the right gun and holster for you can be challenging. It’s even harder for women! That’s why I started doing the concealed carry clinics for women, it’s a great way to learn what others like and dislike and try some out before you buy.

Rob- We carry concealed and so can you.

Andee- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 94 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (17 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 94 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host. This is Andee’s second podcast with us. We talked about a month ago. Happy birthday, and how have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been very busy! December is usually a slow month for teaching classes but this December I was overwhelmed by requests for private and group lessons. It was awesome to see so many people taking training as a serious part of concealed carry and personal safety. I taught a mother and her teenager, a group of homeschoolers, a group of moms and a few mixed classes with husbands and wives as well as a few others. I also saw an increase in people purchasing gift certificates for their loved ones to take classes which is great.

Rob- That is great. We have some feedback that our podcast sounds scripted. Yes, it is. I’m here every week, but our instructors are only with me once every few months. We record for about a half hour, and then cut it down to 15 minutes. I could play 15 minutes of jokes and bloopers, or we could talk about self-defense. Thank you for the comment and we are both becoming more relaxed with practice.

Andee, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- We talk about three recent examples of armed defense each week. Our first story took place last week in Snellville, GA. This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re in your car?  

It is the season. The new cell phones are out and it is after Christmas. Many people are selling their old phones. You put an ad on Craigslist. The buyer agrees to meet at a Walmart parking lot. You park under a light and wait for the buyer to arrive. Two men walk up. One of them asks if you have the phone for sale. The other man one pulls a gun out of his pocket and demands your phones..and your wallet.

You are a licensed concealed carrier. You’re armed. You jump out of your car. You keep moving and shoot the armed robber closest to you. Your two attackers run to a waiting car. You run inside the Walmart and call police.

Police arrest all three men when they seek treatment at a local hospital. They are in jail charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault, possession of firearm during the commission of a felony and obstruction of justice for lying to police about what happened.

Andee- be armed

Rob- Three robbers approach you as you sit in your car. Those are bad odds.

Andee- They are, but we can make them better. Have your seatbelt off so you can move.

Rob- What else do you notice?

Andee- The defender shot the robber three times in the arm that held the gun. It’s possible he was either flinching while pulling the trigger or focusing on the gun in the robber’s hand. We often focus on the gun even when we should aim for high-center of the chest area. It takes training to overcome that habit. It’s a natural instinct to focus on the weapon because it poses the greatest threat. It helps to use realistic targets of a person with a gun or a knife.

Rob- What are realistic targets? We’re not practicing shooting at real people, are we?

Andee- Silhouette targets vs picture of people.

That way we learn to recognize the weapon and, at the same time, practice shooting at the center of mass. We also tend to practice on stationary targets from the same position at the same distance.  Most armed defense happens between 5-15 feet feet and it happens very fast. That isn’t how we practice.

Rob- When you try that with your students at the range, what do you see?

Andee- Most people practice at about 30-50 feet and at a slow pace. Shooting at further distances gives us the impression that we have more time to react. I want us to practice drawing and shooting at close targetes. A great training tool is a shot timer. It applies a little stress and also measures our progress.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Andee- We don’t know why he exited the vehicle, it may be easier to draw the pistol because drawing from a sitting position in a vehicle can be a challenge.  I wonder if he could have driven away, but we don’t know the whole story.   He may have turned his vehicle off or the robbers could have blocked him in. This is where a vehicle tactics class can be very helpful in knowing what to do in different situations.

Finding a training class that offers shooting on the move, moving targets and vehicle tactics can really help you. I help teach a force-on-force class with Simunition (which is a plastic bullet shot through real firearms often used by law enforcement and military training). In this type of class we test people on how they would react to different scenarios a lot like this one. Even though you know it’s just acting and the bullets won’t kill you, your adrenaline builds up and the stress becomes real when you are engaging with someone who’s acting as though they want to hurt you. I highly recommend this type of training to learn your own capabilities and see where you need improvement, and it’s a LOT of fun!

Rob- Wow. That is a lot to learn. How much training and practice would you need before you took a force-on-force class?

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?  It is getting dark as you arrive home. You’re stepping off the street when a young man hurries up and asks you what time it is.  His hands come out of his pockets and he has a gun pointed at you. He demands your wallet. You hand over everything you have. You’re almost. You’re a licensed concealed carrier and you’re armed. The robber is stuffing his pockets as you draw your firearm. Your first shot misses. Your second shot hits your attacker in the head. You get your keys and your phone and call police. The police take the robbers gun.

Andee-Great that he was armed. That is a problem in Chicago since so many places in the city demand that victims be disarmed.

Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country yet they are one of the highest ranking cities for gun crimes. I’m thankful to live in a state where our gun laws let us carry and the percentage of gun related crimes are very low. Criminals don’t usually like to take chances. They chose targets that they see as weak.

Rob- For example, people are often attacked as they get off public transportation.

Andee- This man in his 50s was seen as an easy target by the 23 year old who tried to rob him. This victim was prepared and thankfully he carried his gun with him while traveling to and from his home. He was approached by the would-be attacker and was threatened. The victim drew his gun and fired. Speed was an essential so he could defend himself before the attacker could shoot him. This is why practice is important, you may only have a second before your life could be taken from you, under stress you rely on muscle memory and that comes from practice.

I want you to carry everyday. Recently, a friend of mine was coming out of his work, a man came out of nowhere and jumped him. His gun was in his car. Thankfully, he was also well trained in self defense. He quickly took control of the situation leaving with a few bumps and bruises and leaving his attacker in a lot worse state. But his lesson was learned: ALWAYS carry your gun.

It would be great to know your neighbors so you didn’t have to touch the robber.

Rob- What do you mean?

Andee- The robber might have had the man’s cell phone.

Rob- Right.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Oregon

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

It is closing time. You’re behind the counter at U-Haul. You have another employee and a customer in the store when a second customer walks in. He shouts for everyone to hand over their money. He draws his gun and points it at you. You’re armed too. You step behind the cash register and open the till.  You also turn to the side. You draw your gun and shoot the robber. He drops his gun, turns and falls. You shout for everyone to follow you and you step back out of the store into the back room. You call police.  The police  interview the other witnesses and look at the security camera videos.

Portland [OR] Police Bureau spokesman Sgt. Chris Burley said “..we..realize that if you feel like your life is in danger or someone else’s life is in danger, a person may need to protect themselves.”

Andee-  Protect yourself..and others. Some people have this thought that if you’re being robbed you should just give up your valuables. While this makes sense, as your life is more important than your valuables, you don’t know whether the robber is willing to leave witnesses or even if the robber is thinking clearly. Sometimes robbers get upset when you are unable to give them what they are looking for and will shoot you even if you follow their commands. When someone is pointing a gun at you, they are making a threat to take your life and that threat is enough to justify using your firearm to keep yourself and those around you safe.

Rob- Does that mean the clerk was justified in shooting first?

I think it’s important to note the man behind the counter didn’t just jump into action by drawing his pistol immediately. That would have most likely gotten him shot. He acted like he was going to give the gunman what he was demanding and got behind the cash register. He used that cover and distraction to draw and fire his gun taking the gunman off guard. This may have saved our defender from injury or death. It’s important to keep calm and use our brains before drawing our guns.

Rob- You expect me to think when someone points a gun at me?

Rob- What do you tell your students who want to know more about the laws regarding self-defense.

Andee- Go to the laws for concealed carry online or talk to your lawyer.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You’re collecting donations for some people who NEED training. Andee- https://www.thrivenewengland.org/

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 89 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (13 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 89 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Andee.  Welcome to the show.

Andee- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Andee- Rob, our first story took place last week near Hillsboro, Ohio. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are an older couple.  It is a few minutes before 7 on a Friday morning. You’re getting out of bed when you hear a loud crash from the back of your home. Someone has broken through the back door. Both of you grab your guns. You walk toward the sound and shout for the intruder to leave. The intruder has a rifle in his hands, and you shoot him.

He turns to leave, and so do you. You call police.

Andee- The first thing that stands out to me is the couple both armed themselves and went together to investigate. I think it’s important to have a plan in place ahead of time and for couples to work together as a team, it’s much safer that way.
 The second thing that stood out to me is the use of vocal commands, which is great. In many states you need to warn the person or ask them to leave before using lethal force, unless warning the intruder poses a greater risk. Verbal commands such as “Get out of my house, I have a gun!” are a good way to stop many criminals who wish to avoid a risky confrontation.

 

Andee- Our second story happened last week on the border between Texas and Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive?

You and your wife are driving into Texas.  You notice lights and sirens behind you.  You pull over onto the shoulder and stop your truck. A car pulls up behind you. The car appears to be on fire.  The driver of the car opens his door and then jumps into the back of your truck. Now the police cars are pulling to a stop all around you. Your wife is still in the seat beside you. You get out of your truck, present your firearm and hold the fugitive for the few seconds until police arrive.

The is arrested for evading arrest in a motor vehicle,aggravated kidnapping, assault on a police officer and for traffic violations.

Andee- Ok, my first thought is something I teach in my self defense and situational awareness classes: ALWAYS lock your car doors and if something doesn’t seem right, get away. Distance equals reaction time. Thankfully, the gang member fleeing from the police jumped into the bed of the truck and the husband in the truck was armed and quickly get control of the situation.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Rockledge, Florida.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re working in a auto shop. You hear shots coming from the parking lot behind the shop.  You’re carrying. So is your manager.  Your manager goes into the back lot and shoots at the attacker. Now the attacker chases the manager back into the store. You shoot at your attacker and place two shots on target. The attacker stops.

Other employees are injured.  One is killed.  Neither you nor your manager are hit.

Andee- Thankfully these two men were carrying at work. When the manager went to investigate the gunshots, he saw his employees being shot at and immediately began defending them with his pistol.

The worker and the manager responded quickly to assess the threat. They were both prepared for to protect themselves and others. Had they kept their pistols locked in their car this story could have ended with more fatalities and injuries.

I think in this situation there were signs the shooter was showing mental and emotional problems. It’s important to take note when someone is acting out of place and things in life aren’t going well, such as the loss of a job.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. We’re also available on Google Play Music, and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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