Episode 134 with Jeff Street

Rob- Introduction- I’m glad you found us and welcome to episode 134 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who are curious about having a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Jeff Street.

Jeff Street

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working, and shooting and instructing.

Rob- I’m looking for a bilingual podcaster to make a spanish version of Self-Defense Gun Stories. If you know someone, then please ask them to contact us.  Until then, Jeff, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners in English.

Jeff- These stories of self defense recently happened to real people.  These stories will give you a better understanding of current criminal tactics so that you will be able to recognize danger sooner. We give tips on avoiding and handling the attack and the aftermath.  I really want to help our listeners develop their own skills of analysis.

Our first story took place last week in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home in the evening?  

Your husband ran out to buy some groceries for tomorrow’s breakfast. He comes back home at about 9pm. You hear his keys in the lock and then two men run onto the porch and push your husband inside. The attackers are wearing masks and have a gun. Your husband is fighting with them. The attackers shoot your husband. You yell that you’ll get them some money and run to the kitchen. That is where you grab your gun out of a drawer. You shoot the attackers and they run away.

You call for EMTs and the police. You husband is taken to the hospital in serious but stable condition. You stay home with your two small children.

Jeff – The robbers were masked and armed. The robbers waited until the door was unlocked, this would effectively defeat any motion detector, lights and the lock. If they had an alarm that was turned on it may have helped.

Rob- Do home invasions happen very often, or is this unusual?

Jeff- When I go out for supplies at night I’m wearing my gun.  My wife also is wearing a gun when i get home.

Rob- This happened in Indiana. You live in Florida, so the answer might be different, but how long did it take to get your carry permit?

Jeff- Her husband was wounded. Shots to the leg can be fatal. I have a tourniquet in my pants pocket. We have full medical kits at home and individual first aid kits in our cars.

Rob- I imagine that when your husband is bleeding on the floor is the wrong time to open the first aid kit and start reading the instructions.

Jeff- Just like a gun, first aid takes training and practice, but we enjoy it.  Also, a gun in a drawer with 2 small children in the home is a not acceptable. Our guns are locked up away from children or on our bodies.

Jeff- What did our defender do correctly?

Jeff- Glad she had a gun.  She shot rather than talked. She didn’t chase the robbers, but stayed and called police.

Rob- What could they have done better?

Jeff- Situational awareness might have helped, but it might not have been enough.

Jeff- It is straightforward to get your carry permits in Indiana. I wish that both of them were armed.

It is better to use your own gun than have to fight your attacker and try to take theirs.

I also wish they both had their firearms carried on their body rather than kept in a drawer.  She might have dashed into the kitchen to shoot from cover, but that way she would have been able to respond much faster.

Rob- Anything else?

Jeff- First aid. Does she have a tourniquet? That is enough for now.

Our second story happened last week in Columbia, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story- Do you have a firearm near by when you’re asleep at night?

You’re asleep in bed. You’re startled out of your sleep by a loud crashing sound. You grab your gun as you get out of bed. A stranger walks down the hall towards your bedroom. You shoot him. The stranger falls down. You retreat to your bedroom and call police.

Your robber was an escaped convict from a nearby jail. He and his accomplice overpowered two jail guards. He was walking toward your bedroom with a foot long metal sharpening rod he took from your kitchen. EMTs pronounced him dead at the scene.

What do you notice?

Jeff- The loud crash was enough to wake up our victim.  That is good, we want to force the attacker to make noise because that gives us a warning. We want to slow them down so we have time to prepare.  When the glass is replaced i would recommend 3m security film added to all the windows. http://www.goadvantagefilms.com/safety-window-tinting/

The attacker picked up his kitchen tool to use as a weapon. Our defender shot him once in the head.  This resulted in immediate incapacitation of the threat. Being able to do that as you wake up at 3am is evidence of her practicing and knowing what she could accomplish on demand with her firearm. She thought about this situation ahead of time.  She knew what position to get in and how far to shoot from.

Rob- How did she shoot in the dark?

Jeff- This happened very quickly. Our homeowner had her concealed carry permit. I think that make a huge difference. She had a defensive mindset.

Rob- Why do you say that?

Jeff- She had seconds to wake up and defend herself. The only way to do that was to have already considered what to do. I could hear a crash in the middle of the night. I might need my gun. I have to decide if self-defense is justified when an intruder breaks into my home. Should I defend myself and is lethal force necessary? She had all of those decisions made ahead of time, because she had neither the time, now was she in the proper condition to figure it out at 3 in the morning.

She also stopped the intruder with one shot to the head..at night.  I think she practiced.

Rob- Where do students learn all that?

Jeff- Basic class to learn the different types of firearms.

Firearms safety

Rent and shoot.

Concealed carry class

Carry permit

Self defense class

Regular practice.

Our third story happened last week, again in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re making a burger run for your family?

You’re family is hungry late at night, so you said you’d drive to a nearby fast food restaurant and pick up something. It is almost 10 at night, as you’re sitting in the drive through lane waiting to place your order. A stranger walks up to the passenger side of your car. The stranger opens the door, and puts a gun in your face. The robber demands your keys and your wallet. You’re being robbed.

You hit the gas and drive over the curb. You try and close the passenger door by driving next to a few trees.

The robber is now inside your car. You slam to a stop, grab the robber, and drag him out of your car.

You fight with the robber to turn his gun away from you. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker in the arm.

Jeff- As soon as i shut my car door i lock the car.  Then i get the car moving and buckle up in the parking lot.

Someone attempted to car jack me once.  My doors were locked. I was armed. I was able to avoid the carjacking by driving the car away from the attacker.

Drive throughs are scary. Often times there is no way to get your car out  if things go wrong. You are blocked in from all sides. In this instance he had a little room to maneuver the car.  Even though this went sideways our victim did not give up.

Jeff- Wow, lots of things to talk about here.Rob- What do you see?

Jeff- Door was unlocked.

He tried to drive away.

He fought with the attacker rather than running away.

He had a gun.

He used his firearm.

He remained at the scene and spoke to the police.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?

Jeff- Lock your doors, drive away, escape if you can.

Our forth story took place last week in Fort Worth, Texas.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed at work at 4 in the morning?

You’re working at a convenience store. It is early in the morning and people are coming in for their cup of coffee, a breakfast burrito, and a full tank of gas. A customer walks in and demands money. You look again, and the man has a gun pointed at you. You’re being robbed. You draw your gun, shoot your attacker, and move. The robber shoots at you. Your attacker runs from the store. You’re shaking, but you put your gun away and call the police.

The police find your attacker nearby. He was taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. He had a criminal record including aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, robbery, burglary and drug possession.

Jeff- Convenience store clerk Practicing moving while shooting is important.  For very close fast shooting, practicing gun frame aiming is useful. As you are drawing and attempting to get your sights aligned you see the frame of your gun in your peripheral vision and it is aligned on the target so your 1st shot does not need the usual sighted fire.  It’s still sighted fire your just using a cruder sighting system.

Jeff- On body carry. Move and shoot. You might get shot, but you should not depend on mercy from the merciless.

Rob- In most states, you don’t need a permit to carry at work.

Jeff- But you do need training. We show our students different holsters. We demonstrate how they are used to present a firearm. We safely walk our students through it. We correct their mistakes and suggest alternatives as they demonstrate the technique.

Rob- How hard can that be?

Jeff- There are lots of things that might work..eventually. We can show you what we’ve found to be very quick and efficient. Then, we can start to add movement as you draw and shoot.

Rob- That sounds like several classes.

Jeff- It is several building blocks. You have to practice each new skill and refine the older skills.

Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- I’m at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide group classes as well as custom training. Leave us a message on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Jeff- We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- Listeners can contact me on the podcast facebook page. This podcast is part of the Self-defense radio network at sdrn.us

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 124 with Robyn Street

Rob- Introduction- I’m glad you found us and welcome to episode 124 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who are curious about a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already own one. I’m your host, Rob Morse. We’re joined this week by self defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  I see that you’ve been busy with clinics on the weekend and your women’s group during the week.

Robyn- Hi, Rob.

Rob- Robyn, how do you listen to the show?

Robyn- I listen to it on my iPhone on the apple podcast app

Rob- That is how most people listen. Please put us in your pocket and give us rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. Please leave a comment to tell us what you liked about the show. Now that we’ve talked about how to listen, tell our new listeners what to expect.

Robyn- We’re looking at several new stories of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation, but were they lucky, or did they have a good plan? What should we do if we were in their place, and how would we learn those skills?

Our first story took place last week in Spanaway, Washington.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home early in the morning?

You and your mom hear a scream from across the street. The sun is just coming up. You get dressed and go next door to see what is going on. Your neighbor had been attacked by her ex-boyfriend. The neighbor already called police.

You and your mom walk back to your home and notice that the power is off. That seems suspicious. You grab the family gun. You are only 16 years old, so you can’t carry in public. A few seconds later the ex-boyfriend forces open your back door and attacks you with a knife. You push him away and fire your gun. Now he runs.

Your mom calls police. They arrest your attacker. He is charged with first degree assault,  burglary, and domestic violence.

Robyn- I would have preferred that the mother and daughter have called the police when they heard the scream.  There was also a vandalized car. Both of these are clues that it is time to plan for our own safety.

Rob-  We tell people to stay at home and call police, but the police had been called several times and were unable to stop the threat.

Robyn – They left the relative safety of their home to go to see what was going on at the neighbors house.  It does not appear that they had any plan to protect themselves or the neighbor when they went to check on the neighbor.  Lots of warning bells should be ringing in their head. I would prefer that they had stayed home planning for their own security.

Robyn – Domestic situations are very dangerous.  Highly emotionally charged. We are not sure, but perhaps that is why the ex-boyfriend attacked their house.  Perhaps he felt that they were interfering or preventing him from succeeding with his ex-girlfriend.

Robyn – I also imagine that it was quite possible that he was under the influence of alcohol or drugs.  Lots of variables were in place to make this a very dangerous situation.

Robyn- If they were worried, I think that they should have called the police and then called the neighbor to check on her welfare.  That would have been much safer for the mother and the daughter to stay in the relative security of their home.

Robyn – I have several questions about the 16 year old grabbing the family gun.  Where is it stored? Why didn’t the mother grab the gun? What training did the 16 year old have?  Did they have a plan on what to do if a bad situation was unfolding?

Robyn – the daughter heard a noise coming from the back door and saw the suspect standing in the doorway.  I hope the noise occurred because the door was locked and he had to break into the house. Now is the time to install study locks like dead bolts and to use them all the time.  It is also helpful to lengthen and strengthen the screws used to hold the door frame in place. This would discourage less motivated intruders, slow down the motivated intruders and make noise to provide a warning for the homeowners.

Robyn – I would also advise the mother and daughter to position themselves in a position the provided concealment and cover.  A place where they could see what was happening in the doorway and where they would not be close enough for the intruder to start cutting the 16 year old with his knife.  A firearm is a distance tool. She could have protected her family without being in close proximity to the intruder.

Robyn – the intruder told the 16 year old that she was going to die and cut her several time with his knife.  That is a tough young lady. She was not going to let him kill her.

Robyn – I am happy that one shot was enough to convince the intruder that he needed to leave.  He had not prepared for his intended victims to fight back. It certainly sounds like without the pistol this story would have had a very different ending.

Robyn –  I am glad that the police found the ex-boyfriend and I hope that this situation will be enough to keep him away from his ex-girlfriend and the neighbors for a long time.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?

Robyn- I like for families to have plan about how to handle situations.  I wish the young woman’s mom would have been the one that was armed. She should have been the responsible adult protecting her child.  But we do not know all the details of their lives. I am glad the mother was at least on the phone with the police while the daughter was defending the family.  They needed to get help there as soon as possible!

Robyn- Our second story happened last week in LIncoln, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you answer the door at sunrise?

It is just about dawn. You hear a crash from the front of your house. Before you could go outside to investigate, there is a crazy man rattling your door knob. Fortunately, the door is locked. You yell for him to go away. He breaks the side window and tries to reach inside. You shoot at him and  he runs away. You call police.

Police report that a madman has broken car windows and front doors all along your street.

Robyn – Here we go again.  Please harden your home. Strengthen your locks and use them.  I know that side windows can be pretty but not the best idea from a security point of view.  It does not take much money or effort but in a bad situation, you will be thankful that you have done everything that you could do to ensure your security.

Robyn- Don’t open the door.  Don’t go outside to investigate.  Stay inside and use cameras to gather information.  Call the police and let them come investigate. Until the police arrive, stay on the phone with 911 and put your self-defense plans into action.  Prepare for the worst situation and hope that the police arrive before you are forced to enact your plan.

Robyn – That brings up a good point.  You need to make plans now. It is easy to come up with plans and evaluate them and improve them while we are calm.  Planning also helps to eliminate the time that can be lost from the denial/justification loop. Planning also our brain to stay in control.  It is helpful for the brain to stay in a rational state and to say “well, we know this could happen let’s put that plan into action and protect ourselves.”

Robyn-  Have your tools with you and position yourself where you are prepared to protect and defend yourself.  

Robyn- That includes your phone, flashlight, other defense tools and medical supplies.

Robyn- Don’t fire through a door or window. If the door is in the way, then the intruder is still outside. Let the doors and windows do their job and keep the intruder outside.

Robyn- We replaced our windows with hurricane glass.  If flying trees aren’t going to break through, hopefully that would keep the brick from breaking the glass.  It can’t hurt and at least we tried.

Robyn- As long as the intruder is still outside there is still time to avoid firing the gun.  But it is certainly time to prepare in case the situation demand it.

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Robyn -Our next story happened last week in Palm Beach, Florida.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed as you run errands with your children?

You ran an errand while your 12 year old son was getting a haircut. Your 5 year old daughter is asleep in the backseat of your car. You park at the curb right in front of the barbershop. This is South Florida in September, so you leave your car running as you walk in to pick up your son and pay for his haircut. As you’re walking in, you hear a car door slam behind you. Someone is trying to take your car. You run to the passenger window and yell for him to stop. The car starts to move with your daughter still inside.

You have your concealed carry permit. You’re armed. You draw your firearm and shoot the kidnapper. Then you open the passenger door and guide the car to a stop.

Your attacker had a record of breaking into cars and not showing up for his court dates. Two days later the police say they will not file charges against you.

Robyn- I know it is inconvenient to wake a sleeping child but please don’t leave your child in the car.  

Rob- This happened very fast.

Robyn – So many things are going wrong.  The child is unattended in the car, the doors must not have been unlocked and the car was running for a quick get away.  Oh my…this is not good.

Robyn – I am glad that the father had his firearm on his body.  There was no time to go get it. Imagine if he had been storing the gun in the car.  When a bad situation develops you have the tools that you have at that moment and nothing else.

Rob- Was dad justified in using lethal force against a car thief?

Robyn- No. Dad was justified in using lethal force against a kidnapper.

Rob- What else?

Robyn- I like the line that said that he father drew his gun and ordered the kidnapper to stop.  But I have trouble with the next statement that he then opened fire. How many times did he shoot?  What was he hitting? Were any bystanders injured. Was the child injured? So many things could have gone wrong.

Robyn –  He slipped into the car and prevented it from crashing.  Brave and determined father stayed in control of the situation after things had gone terribly wrong.

Robyn – As soon as it was safe he needed to call 911 to get police and medical help to the scene.

Robyn- Our fourth story took place in Garland, Texas.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed as you meet someone to buy a camera?

You and your girlfriend are waiting outside someone’s home. You found a camera for sale, and you want to see it. The seller said he’d be there in a moment. That is when a stranger comes up and demands your money. You say you don’t have any. You attacker then pushes you and your girlfriend and says he knows you have money. You try to stop the attack on your girlfriend. Your attacker hits you. You draw your firearm and shoot him once.

Now you can withdraw and call police?

Preliminary reports indicate that the person selling the camera was the same person who tried to rob you.

Robyn- I hope that our listeners know better than to do this. Tell your friends not to do this any longer. Make sales at the police station.

Rob- A firearm is lethal force. I have to ask again if lethal force was justified.

Robyn- Best plan is to avoid this type of situation.  Planning might also have prompted you to have other tools to defend yourself – OC spray might have changed the attackers mind.   

Robyn – Protecting someone else is a bit more complicated.  In this case, he was confident that the girlfriend was innocent and was certainly in danger of death or grave bodily harm.  How many punches can his girlfriend absorb before she is incapacitated and lying defenseless on the ground? One? Two? This had to be stopped.

Rob- It is harder to run away if you have a partner with you. Do you talk about defending a friend, a spouse, a child with your students?

Robyn- We help families and friends develop plans about how to best defend themselves in bad situations.  It is very helpful to honestly evaluate the skills and limitations of each person. Each person needs to know how the other person will react to situations.

Robyn- Sometimes it is as simple as having a code word to let others know this is unacceptable and I need you to do exactly what I am saying or we need to enact our plan now.

Rob- Is there more?

Robyn – Call 911 to get police and medical help on the way as soon as possible.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn Street, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- I’m at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. (Ladys weekday at the range?) Leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Let us know what you think. Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 107 with Robyn Street

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 107 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we have firearms instructor Robyn Street as co-host.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy. Lots of training for myself and for my students.  How have you been doing?

Rob- I’ve been to the range several times, sometimes for my training and sometimes with new students.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Robyn- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they good?  These stories also document cases when an armed citizen was able to defend themselves. We often hear about firearms when they are used to commit violent acts, but we do not often hear when armed citizens survive potentially deadly attacks because they are armed.  Next time you are asked “why do you need a firearm” share one of these stories. Our first story took place last week in Iredell County, North Carolina. Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It is sunrise on Sunday morning. You hear your dog bark. Your wife and two young kids are asleep, so you pad downstairs to see what is bothering the dog. A man is standing inside your screen porch trying to get into your house. You grab your 22 rifle and walk out the side door. You enter your porch and tell the man to lie down. He does. You call police.

The policeman fights with the suspect to take him into custody. The intruder faces charges of breaking and entering, possession of a Schedule IV controlled substance, possession of drug paraphernalia and resisting a public officer.

Robyn- Not a time or place we would think of being at risk.  We need to be prepared at all times.

Rob- Your back porch on a Sunday morning is usually a place to relax and read the paper.

Robyn- Dogs are a great alarm system.

Rob- Dogs vs electronics?

Robyn- If the intruder is not in the house, then stay safe inside.  Harden your home now so that it can provide the most amount of protection possible.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this case?

Robyn- Have a plan, gather your family in the most defensible location.  Call 911 and get help on the way. 911 is recorded and can be used as evidence if necessary.

Rob- Gun, family, phone..In what order?

Robyn-a 22 rifle might not be the best caliber choice but it beats not having anything.  Several of the people that shoot with us are using 9mm carbines. Some of the carbines even use the same magazines as their pistols.

Rob- What do you like about them?

Robyn – I am glad that it worked out for the homeowner, but it is not our job to hold someone until the police arrive.  The robber was rummaging through his pockets and producing drug paraphernalia. What if he would have had a weapon in his pocket?

Rob- Say more about that.

Robyn- If our homeowner had more training, he would not have held the intruder. If the intruder moved to take something from the intruder’s pockets, the homeowner should have shot him. That is tough to explain in court, and is why we don’t hold suspect for the police.

Robyn- The homeowner mentioned that he did not want to shoot anyone, but that he would if that is what it would take to defend his family.  We need to make that decision now to lessen the likelihood of hesitation if we have to protect ourselves or our family.

Rob- Our homeowner hesitated, but he was safe this time.

Robyn- This  homeowner was lucky, but we can’t count on luck. Our second story happened last week in Tucson, Arizona.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go shopping?   

It is dark outside. You finished your shopping and walk to your car. You set your purse and packages inside. You try to close your car door, but a man has grabbed the door. He tells you to get out of your car and give him the keys. He shouts at you. You grab your gun from your purse. You step out of your car and point your gun at your attacker. He has a hatchet in his hand. You tell him to leave. He raises his hand and you shoot him once in the center of the chest. He falls. You keep your gun on him and shout for people coming out of the store to call police.

Robyn- Don’t hesitate to ask mall security officers or grocery store employees to escort you to your car.  You are less likely to be attacked if you are not alone.

Rob- We hear about that during the Christmas shopping rush, but it happens all the time.

Robyn-If it is “dark” outside have your flashlight in hand and scanning the environment.  It sends a message that you are aware of your environment. Added bonus, the bad person has probably only seen police officers using a flashlight.

Rob- The light says you’re not their usual victim.

Robyn-It appears that the victim was distracted when transitioning to the car.  The attacker was close enough to grab the car door. Be aware and prepared. As soon as possible. Lock the doors, start the car and get out of the parking lot.

Rob- What should we do if we see someone standing in the parking lot and they are not moving towards their car?

Robyn- It would have been better is she could have been the first to call 911.  As I was reading the story, it was mentioned that she held the attacker until the police arrived.  It is not our job to hold the attacker. In most cases, I would say that the victim should get away from the attacker.  The police can catch them later.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Saint, Louis Missouri.

 

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re in your bedroom at the back of the house. It is 9:30 at night when you hear shouting from the front door. Then you hear gunshots and you hear one of your housemates shout in pain. You grab your gun and walk toward the noise. An older man who lives at the house is on his knees and looks hurt. A stranger is standing in the front room yelling that he wants his money. The stranger raises his gun and you shoot the intruder. Now he runs. You call police and EMTs.

The police arrest the wounded robber and take him to the hospital.

Robyn- That did not turn out as the robber had planned.  Harden your home to make it difficult for a bad person to get to you.  Keep the doors locked.

Rob- Seconds count. How should we have our gun?

Robyn- I am glad the friends of the victim had immediate access to their firearm.  They did not suffer from disbelief and denial. The situation was bad and they took immediate action to stop the situation.

Rob- This all happened very fast.

Robyn- In this case after the attacker was shot in the leg, the attacker decided to run away.  As he was running away, he was still firing his gun. Another neighbor started to fire at the attacker.  This is very troubling. We are responsible for every round that we fire. You have to know your target, what is around it, behind it and beside it.  Luckily no other bystanders were hit in this exchange. My advise, if the attacker is running away, let him go. As so as it is safe to do so, call the police.  Get help on the way. The police can find him later.

Robyn- The first victim was shot.  This highlights the importance of medical training and medical kits.  You are the first responder for yourself, your family and your friends.

Robyn-We need to train to have good situational awareness, plan for what ifs and worst case scenarios, study the laws, maximize our physical fitness and practice with our firearms to become as proficient as possible.  

Robyn- These stories are a great training tool.  They actually happened to someone else. We know what they did.  What would you do?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 71 with Robyn Street

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 71 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  I know you were busy last week.

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Robyn- Our first story took place last week in Dothan, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at church late on a Sunday night?

You’re working late.  It’s 10:30 at night and you’re preparing for a youth field trip that starts in a few hours.  Almost everyone has left the church and gone home.  You hear someone outside your office.  A few seconds later, a 26 year old man with a knife comes through your door and tells you to hand over your money.  You’re armed.  You stand up.  You reach for your wallet with one hand and reach for your firearm with your other hand.  You shoot the robber once in the chest.  The robber runs before you can shoot again.  Then, you call police.  The police find the robber in the parking lot.  They say the robber attacked someone else in the church a few minutes before he attacked you.  The robber was a convicted violent felon.

Robyn- Secure your environment – lock the doors at home and at the office

Rob- Churches have an open door policy.

Robyn- Was it a pattern to stay late and alone before a trip.

Rob- large churches have security.

Robyn- Initial advantage went to the bad guy.

Robyn- But…Good guy had a gun and successfully reacted to the situation.

Robyn- Good discipline to stop after the threat no longer existed.  After only 1 shot that would be difficult to determine.

Robyn- Psychological stop but it worked.

Rob- What if the church was a gun free zone?

Robyn- Go find another church.

Robyn- Our second story happened last week north of Spokane, Washington.

Rob- Second story- Do you have to call your dad to ask if you can use one of his guns?

You’re a 17 year old girl sitting in your room late on a monday morning.  You live out in the country with your mom and dad.  Your boyfriend calls to tell you he saw a lot of police on the nearby roads.  The police are looking for a fleeing felon in your area.  You call your dad and explain what is going on. You ask if you can borrow one of his guns..the one you have have shot many times before.  He says yes, so you load his revolver and put it near your bed.

A few minutes later you hear the sounds downstairs of someone opening the back door.  You hear someone walk across the wooden floor and start up the stairs.  Your mom and dad are at work, so you grab your dad’s gun and slide into a corner away from your bedroom door.  A stranger opens your door and sticks his head inside your room.  He is looking down the barrel of your gun.  You yell, “Get out of my house!”  The robber leaves.  You slowly follow him as he leaves the way he came.  You call police, but it takes them quite a while to get to your house.

They show you a picture, and you identify your intruder as their fleeing felon.

Robyn – I am so glad to hear that the father had been working with her. She was familiar with it and respected it.

Rob- A single action, long barrel, 22 revolver?

Robyn- I would not be my first choice but if that is what she had and what she knew how to use.   It obviously was sufficient in this case.

Rob- Old enough to be left alone, then old enough to protect themselves.

Robyn- Again I am going to start with lock your doors and windows.

Robyn- Just because heard someone in the house target identification is so important.  She “knew” her mom and dad were at work.  But what is one of them had come home to be with her or if her boyfriend had come over to protect her?

Robyn- I am glad that she decided to position herself so that she was a small target in a corner away from the door.

Robyn- Again this was a psychological stop.  In this case she did not even have to fire a shot.  Great discipline on her part.

Robyn- I would make sure that there was plenty of distance between them as she followed the felon out of her house.

Robyn- Great job calling the police.

Robyn- I hope that she locked the doors after he was gone.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Rancho Cucamonga, California.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home just after dawn?  

You’re at home on a Saturday morning, a day when most of us can sleep in.  You’re woken up by a strange sound from your garage.  You hear it again.  You get up and grab your gun.  You open the back door to see someone sitting in your car.  You yell for him to leave.  He does.  He gets out of your car..and then starts walking toward you with a large knife in his hand.  You shoot him twice in the chest.  Now he runs to a waiting get-away car.  You call police.  They arrest him at the hospital and find narcotics in his car.  The robber has a criminal history and is out on parole.

Robyn- OK once again harden your environment.  Lock your office, lock your house and lock your garage.

Robyn-  If the robber is in the garage and you are in your house.  I would suggest staying in your house and calling the police.  Position yourself to defend yourself if necessary.  By opening his door to investigate what was going on in his garage the bad guy had the ability to physically get to the homeowner.

Robyn- When the robber was coming at the homeowner with a large knife, that was a deadly threat.

Robyn- Thank goodness our homeowner had his gun with him.

Robyn- The homeowner shot him twice and that was enough to stop the threat.  Good for him to have the control to stop.

Robyn-Be prepared to take additional shots to defend yourself in case the robber changes his mind or his accomplices decide to continue the attack.  If the robber can run, he can still attack.

Robyn- Great job calling the police.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-   We share this podcast with you for free, and ask that you share it with a friend.  Please give us a rating on ITunes.  The podcast is also available on Google-play and on stitcher.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 68 with Ben Branam

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 68 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

Hi, Ben.  I know you’ve been instructing in Illinois.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I got to teach in Illinois with Bob Mayne.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week near Mobile, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home in the early afternoon? (and here)

You hear a knock at your front door.  You look through the glass side panels and see three people standing outside.  They see you too.  They shoot you with a shotgun.  You step back and reach behind a cabinet.  You grab the handgun you keep there.  You open the door and shoot your attackers striking all three of them as they try to shoot you again.  You’ve met them before.

You’re a veteran of the marine corps.  Some young kids broke into your house last month.  You caught them.  They threatened you if you reported them to the police.  Now they are lying wounded outside your door.  You call police and ask for medical assistance.

Ben- Our second story happened last week in Salt Lake City.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work in the evening?

You work in a sandwich shop.  It is about 6pm when two man and a woman walk into the store.  One locks the front door, and the others pull out guns.  You see this from the back storage area and you push the door shut to keep them out. The female robber throws her body against the door to get to you.  The door opens a few inches.  You grab your firearm and shoot your attacker around the door.  The other robbers run. You and your co-worker call the police and medical personnel.  Neither of you are hurt.

 

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Las Vegas

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

You run your own store selling phones and accessories.  It is almost closing time and a strange man walks in.  You’ve seen him on the streets before.  The stranger doesn’t look up, but walks up to the counter and kicks in the glass on the display case.  You walk to the cash register and grab your gun.  The robber looks up and then turns away.  He walks out of your store with his hands in the air.  You don’t shoot.

You took a class last week.  You never had your finger on the trigger because the robber had not threatened your life.

 

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-  If you liked this show, please share it with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

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