Episode 94 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (17 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 94 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host. This is Andee’s second podcast with us. We talked about a month ago. Happy birthday, and how have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been very busy! December is usually a slow month for teaching classes but this December I was overwhelmed by requests for private and group lessons. It was awesome to see so many people taking training as a serious part of concealed carry and personal safety. I taught a mother and her teenager, a group of homeschoolers, a group of moms and a few mixed classes with husbands and wives as well as a few others. I also saw an increase in people purchasing gift certificates for their loved ones to take classes which is great.

Rob- That is great. We have some feedback that our podcast sounds scripted. Yes, it is. I’m here every week, but our instructors are only with me once every few months. We record for about a half hour, and then cut it down to 15 minutes. I could play 15 minutes of jokes and bloopers, or we could talk about self-defense. Thank you for the comment and we are both becoming more relaxed with practice.

Andee, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- We talk about three recent examples of armed defense each week. Our first story took place last week in Snellville, GA. This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re in your car?  

It is the season. The new cell phones are out and it is after Christmas. Many people are selling their old phones. You put an ad on Craigslist. The buyer agrees to meet at a Walmart parking lot. You park under a light and wait for the buyer to arrive. Two men walk up. One of them asks if you have the phone for sale. The other man one pulls a gun out of his pocket and demands your phones..and your wallet.

You are a licensed concealed carrier. You’re armed. You jump out of your car. You keep moving and shoot the armed robber closest to you. Your two attackers run to a waiting car. You run inside the Walmart and call police.

Police arrest all three men when they seek treatment at a local hospital. They are in jail charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault, possession of firearm during the commission of a felony and obstruction of justice for lying to police about what happened.

Andee- be armed

Rob- Three robbers approach you as you sit in your car. Those are bad odds.

Andee- They are, but we can make them better. Have your seatbelt off so you can move.

Rob- What else do you notice?

Andee- The defender shot the robber three times in the arm that held the gun. It’s possible he was either flinching while pulling the trigger or focusing on the gun in the robber’s hand. We often focus on the gun even when we should aim for high-center of the chest area. It takes training to overcome that habit. It’s a natural instinct to focus on the weapon because it poses the greatest threat. It helps to use realistic targets of a person with a gun or a knife.

Rob- What are realistic targets? We’re not practicing shooting at real people, are we?

Andee- Silhouette targets vs picture of people.

That way we learn to recognize the weapon and, at the same time, practice shooting at the center of mass. We also tend to practice on stationary targets from the same position at the same distance.  Most armed defense happens between 5-15 feet feet and it happens very fast. That isn’t how we practice.

Rob- When you try that with your students at the range, what do you see?

Andee- Most people practice at about 30-50 feet and at a slow pace. Shooting at further distances gives us the impression that we have more time to react. I want us to practice drawing and shooting at close targetes. A great training tool is a shot timer. It applies a little stress and also measures our progress.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Andee- We don’t know why he exited the vehicle, it may be easier to draw the pistol because drawing from a sitting position in a vehicle can be a challenge.  I wonder if he could have driven away, but we don’t know the whole story.   He may have turned his vehicle off or the robbers could have blocked him in. This is where a vehicle tactics class can be very helpful in knowing what to do in different situations.

Finding a training class that offers shooting on the move, moving targets and vehicle tactics can really help you. I help teach a force-on-force class with Simunition (which is a plastic bullet shot through real firearms often used by law enforcement and military training). In this type of class we test people on how they would react to different scenarios a lot like this one. Even though you know it’s just acting and the bullets won’t kill you, your adrenaline builds up and the stress becomes real when you are engaging with someone who’s acting as though they want to hurt you. I highly recommend this type of training to learn your own capabilities and see where you need improvement, and it’s a LOT of fun!

Rob- Wow. That is a lot to learn. How much training and practice would you need before you took a force-on-force class?

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?  It is getting dark as you arrive home. You’re stepping off the street when a young man hurries up and asks you what time it is.  His hands come out of his pockets and he has a gun pointed at you. He demands your wallet. You hand over everything you have. You’re almost. You’re a licensed concealed carrier and you’re armed. The robber is stuffing his pockets as you draw your firearm. Your first shot misses. Your second shot hits your attacker in the head. You get your keys and your phone and call police. The police take the robbers gun.

Andee-Great that he was armed. That is a problem in Chicago since so many places in the city demand that victims be disarmed.

Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country yet they are one of the highest ranking cities for gun crimes. I’m thankful to live in a state where our gun laws let us carry and the percentage of gun related crimes are very low. Criminals don’t usually like to take chances. They chose targets that they see as weak.

Rob- For example, people are often attacked as they get off public transportation.

Andee- This man in his 50s was seen as an easy target by the 23 year old who tried to rob him. This victim was prepared and thankfully he carried his gun with him while traveling to and from his home. He was approached by the would-be attacker and was threatened. The victim drew his gun and fired. Speed was an essential so he could defend himself before the attacker could shoot him. This is why practice is important, you may only have a second before your life could be taken from you, under stress you rely on muscle memory and that comes from practice.

I want you to carry everyday. Recently, a friend of mine was coming out of his work, a man came out of nowhere and jumped him. His gun was in his car. Thankfully, he was also well trained in self defense. He quickly took control of the situation leaving with a few bumps and bruises and leaving his attacker in a lot worse state. But his lesson was learned: ALWAYS carry your gun.

It would be great to know your neighbors so you didn’t have to touch the robber.

Rob- What do you mean?

Andee- The robber might have had the man’s cell phone.

Rob- Right.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Oregon

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

It is closing time. You’re behind the counter at U-Haul. You have another employee and a customer in the store when a second customer walks in. He shouts for everyone to hand over their money. He draws his gun and points it at you. You’re armed too. You step behind the cash register and open the till.  You also turn to the side. You draw your gun and shoot the robber. He drops his gun, turns and falls. You shout for everyone to follow you and you step back out of the store into the back room. You call police.  The police  interview the other witnesses and look at the security camera videos.

Portland [OR] Police Bureau spokesman Sgt. Chris Burley said “..we..realize that if you feel like your life is in danger or someone else’s life is in danger, a person may need to protect themselves.”

Andee-  Protect yourself..and others. Some people have this thought that if you’re being robbed you should just give up your valuables. While this makes sense, as your life is more important than your valuables, you don’t know whether the robber is willing to leave witnesses or even if the robber is thinking clearly. Sometimes robbers get upset when you are unable to give them what they are looking for and will shoot you even if you follow their commands. When someone is pointing a gun at you, they are making a threat to take your life and that threat is enough to justify using your firearm to keep yourself and those around you safe.

Rob- Does that mean the clerk was justified in shooting first?

I think it’s important to note the man behind the counter didn’t just jump into action by drawing his pistol immediately. That would have most likely gotten him shot. He acted like he was going to give the gunman what he was demanding and got behind the cash register. He used that cover and distraction to draw and fire his gun taking the gunman off guard. This may have saved our defender from injury or death. It’s important to keep calm and use our brains before drawing our guns.

Rob- You expect me to think when someone points a gun at me?

Rob- What do you tell your students who want to know more about the laws regarding self-defense.

Andee- Go to the laws for concealed carry online or talk to your lawyer.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You’re collecting donations for some people who NEED training. Andee- https://www.thrivenewengland.org/

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 93 with David Cole

Instructor David Cole joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 93 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. Firearms instructor David Cole is our co-host this week. Hi, David.  How have you been?

David- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been…a little chilly.

Rob- One of our listeners asked us to post information about the type of firearms used in these examples. That is a great idea, and we will include that information when we can. David, please introduce our podcast.

David- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Putnam County, West Virginia. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’re a grandmother and a widow. You live alone. You’re asleep in bed.  It is after midnight when you hear someone trying to pry open your bedroom window. You walk to your dresser and grab your gun. You pull open the blinds and point your gun at the attempted robber. The robber falls over. You see him scramble to his feet and run away. You call police.

David- Sounds like this criminal was lucky to escape. We certainly can’t fault this woman’s mindset…she was definitely ready to do business.

Rob- She didn’t ignore the problem and hope it would go away. It looks like she kept her gun in a dresser drawer. Is that a good idea if she was a grandma with grandkids?

David- While she might want to consider different storage options for her firearms (check out the video) it was great that she challenged the suspect verbally. She didn’t have to kill anyone, and this would prevent a tragedy in a case of mistaken identity. A good flashlight could help, too. It’s also good that she called police, even though the suspect ran away.

Rob- The intruder was only feet away when she surprised him.

Rob- Do you talk about this situation with your students?

David- Our second story happened last week in Akron, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

You’re a pharmacist. You own and operate your own store. It is 9 in the morning and you unlock your front door.  You’re behind the counter when you see three men dressed in black rush inside. Two of them jump over your counter. They pull out bags and start grabbing drugs. One of them shouts for you not to move and reaches for his pocket. So do you. You shoot at the two attackers closest to you. The three men run from the store. You call police.

You give your address and a description of the get-away car. Police arrest one man when he goes to the hospital for treatment of gunshot wounds.

David- Good job in a difficult situation…three on one. Good thing he had a gun handy.

Rob- People sore guns lots of places. The company safe or the cash drawer wouldn’t have worked if there were already guns pointed at you.

David- It would be easy to say that it would be better had he acted before two of them got behind the counter, but it sounds like it happened very fast. He tried cooperating until he felt they may try to harm him, but then acted decisively.

Rob- We talk about tactical patience. That means you wait until you have time to act.  That assumes you’ve practiced so you know how much time you need. Did our defender simply run out of options so he went for it against three robbers?

David- Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when walking on the street?

It is the day after Christmas. You walk out of a store on the southside of Chicago.  It is a little after 6pm, and it is already dark and cold. A man walks up to you. He pulls a gun out of his jacket pocket and tells you to hand it over. You reach into your pants pocket and grab your wallet. Your wallet contains your Illinois Firearms Owners Identification Card. It also contains your Concealed Carry License. You’re armed.

You hand the robber your wallet. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker in the chest. The attacker drops his gun, and you step back inside the store to call police.

David-  This is a tough one, mostly for the decision the citizen had to make. Good thing he was prepared to make it.

Rob- Why was this a hard decision?

David- On one hand, the robber had the wallet, and some might say it is over at that point, and you should just let him leave. On the other hand, the news story doesn’t indicate that the robber had shown any inclination to leave, although he had pulled a gun on his intended victim. Personally, I would not trust that person not to harm me, and it appears our victim felt the same. I don’t blame him.

Rob- We’re depending on a robber to be honest and keep his part of the bargain. Is that a good plan?

David- We’re hearing more self defense gun stories out of Chicago these days. That’s good.

Rob- Giving the robber the wallet was a distraction. What do your students have to learn before they can quickly and confidently present a loaded firearm from inside a winter coat?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

David- Our listeners can find me at Black Man With A Gun and on my Aegis Solutions Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 92 with Elizabeth Hautman

Instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 92 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman is our co-host this week.

Hi, Elizabeth. I hope you had a great vacation, a happy Christmas, and a happy new year.

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been enjoying time off with my family.  This is the best time of the year.  I feel like I can reset  and hit the ground running for 2018.

Rob- Elizabeth, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Elizabeth- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week near Wilmington, North Carolina. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Do you have a firearm nearby when you sleep at night?  

You live in a mobile home by yourself. You hear a crashing sound early in the morning. At least you thought you heard it. It was loud enough and it shook the whole building. Did you imagine it? Now you hear voices outside. Someone has broken into your home. You grab your firearm and move from your bedroom toward the sound. You see two strangers in your home. You shout for them to get out. One of them shoots at you. You shoot back. Both men run. You back up to your bedroom and call police.

The police tell you that your attacker was a three time felon who had a gun.

Elizabeth- Good that he locked his doors. An alarm would be even better.  I really believe that at a crazy hour in the morning, it is difficult to recognize a threat.  Our homeowner, got over his/her disbelief and accessed their firearm.

 Good that he had a gun, knew where it was, and what condition it was in, ready to fire.

Elizabeth- This is why the castle doctrine is so important. These robbers were armed. You don’t have to announce yourself to a team of armed robbers as you’re standing there in your underwear. That is bad planning. I tell my students to get their gun, call the police, and then wait in their bedroom so you force the robbers to come to you!

Rob- It seems like a pretty vulnerable position if you walk out of your bedroom and yell at a bunch of armed robbers while you’re standing in the middle of your kitchen in your underwear.

Elizabeth- A pre thought out plan may have kept the homeowner safer when bullets were flying.  In my home, there is nothing besides me and my family worth bleeding over.  If someone wants the 10 year old television, I am not going to risk getting in their way.  So my plan is to stay between bad guys and the kids, no more.  I set up a defensive position and wait.  If I had not planned or thought about this in advance, it would be easy to chase people through my house, possibly exposing my family to danger.

 

Rob- If you stay in your bedroom, are you justified in shooting them as they come through your bedroom door?

Elizabeth- You forced them to come through your doorway. You don’t have to announce where you are.  That is up to you.  If bad guys are entering my bedroom, through that fatal funnel, the doorway, I will be ready.

Our second story happened last week near Houston, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home when you’re up late at night?

You are up late at night. You’ve put your three month old daughter to bed. Your husband is out of town, and you can’t sleep. It is just after midnight when you hear your alarm sound. You’re suddenly wide awake and you hear the back door open. You grab your gun and move toward the sound. You see a stranger standing in your kitchen. You raise your firearm and yell for him to leave. Your dog runs toward him barking. The man leaves the way he came.

Now you lock the doors and call police. She says she’d practiced getting her gun before.

Elizabeth- Lock the back door.

Rob- The story could have been very different if she didn’t hear the alarm. It could have been much better if the robber

Elizabeth- Have your gun on you. What if they broke through the front door and your daughter and your gun were on the other side of the house?  Again, I would get between my daughter and the intruder.  I won’t chase a bad guy, I will let the intruder come to me.

Rob- It sounds like she needed to go get her gun.

Elizabeth- A dog is a good alarm, but a real electronic alarm doesn’t go off each time the mailman goes by.

Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  

Your family owns a small corner grocery. You also own a small cell phone store a few doors down the street. You have video cameras in both stores. You notice the motion and look up to see an armed robber walk into your brother’s store. He is pointing a gun at your brother an another employee. You run out the door and draw your gun. You brace yourself behind a concrete post and yell for the thief to drop his gun. He turns and shoots at you. You shoot back. You hit the thief in the shoulder and he drops his gun. You stand over him with your gun drawn while your brother calls the police.

You have your concealed carry permit. The police look at the videos. The teenage robber was out on parole. It was illegal for him to have a gun, and illegal for the robber to carry concealed firearm in public.

Elizabeth- I notice that criminals don’t obey gun laws.  As is often the case.

Rob- What else should we learn from this story?

Elizabeth- The store owner was alerted by a video camera.  That is great.  It was also great that the store owner had his gun on him because he didn’t have time to get it from a safe or a locked drawer.  

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this situation?

Elizabeth- Bad tactics in getting into a gun fight because you talked when you should have been shooting. Good tactics in hiding behind a concrete pillar.  Also marksmanship played a role in this scenario as well.  

Rob- When are we justified in using lethal force, and was it justified? The robber hadn’t shot anyone yet.

Elizabeth- There is a time to talk, and a time to shoot. It is a time to shoot when your brother and an innocent employee are facing a lethal threat. Keep shooting until the threat goes away.

Rob- What do you say to the police?

Say your family was attacked. The robber shot at you. You defended them. Let the video do the talking if you can. Contact your lawyer and say you’ll answer all their questions and help with the investigation after you’ve talked with your lawyer. You want to point out obvious evidence, but that is a slippery slope.  

Rob- Why is that a problem.

What you said may not be exactly what happened. The patrolman’s written record may not match exactly what you told him. Wait until you speak with your lawyer. Your lawyer will ask to see the tapes before he makes a statement to the police.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Elizabeth-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 91 with Jeff Street

Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 91 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Jeff Street is our co-host this week..

Jeff, please introduce our podcast.

Jeff- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Chicago, Illinois. Here is the story.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at a convenience store?  

You work at as a night clerk. Three young men enter your store shortly before midnight. All of them are wearing masks or bandanas over their face. One of them pulls a gun out of his pocket. He points the gun at you and demands the money from the cash register. You draw your gun and shoot the armed robber with the gun. Then, you aim at the robber nearest you, but he is running from the store with his other accomplice. You step into the back of the store and call police.

The same store was robbed last week. You (was it the same clerk?)  gave them your money and the robbers left. A clerk in North Carolina was murdered after he gave the robbers / thieves the money they demanded.

Jeff- These robbers were not expecting resistance.  Earlier when the store was robbed it was only one unmasked robber.

 In order to rob you there has to be an immediate  credible threat of death or serious bodily harm.  

These are the same requirements that justify your use of deadly force.

It was a gut shot, but it worked.  Don’t count on that.  In most cases a high center chest shot is what we are looking for.  

Our second story happened last week in East Chicago.

Rob- Second story- Are you armed at a cell phone store?

You work at a cell phone store.  The store is busy since it is early in the evening. A customer dashes up to the counter. You are are in the show area of the store and not behind the counter. Now you notice that the customer is wearing a mask and has a gun pointed at the clerk behind the counter. The robber demands the money from the cash register. The clerk complies and gives the robber the money. You shoot the robber and he falls to the floor. Several of you call police.

Jeff- Falling to the floor is a fairly good indication of compliance. This was a headshot by a security guard Not a security monitor.  I’m sure the Robber cased the the store before deciding to rob it.  Yet there was an armed guard?  Maybe the armed guard was in plain clothes?  Keep your Gun on him until you are absolutely sure that he is no longer a threat.  If you can move into a position where you can cover him without him being able to see what your doing and you can see his hands, then do so.  Then call 911.  Even if someone else already called you need your voice recorded calling 911.  As of now the robber is in the hospital and yet unidentified so im guessing he is in a comma.

Our third story happened last week in Chicago.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you arrive home?  

It is a few hours after midnight. You’re parking your car. As you stop the car in the parking lot, and stranger approaches you. You get out of your car and the stranger draws a gun and tries to rob you. You have your Illinois concealed carry permit. You’re armed. You present your firearm and shoot your attacker once in the chest. You run away and call police.

Jeff- Chest shot Great Shot Placement.  

Jeff- Parking lots are dangerous places even at home.  As i’m slowing my car to parking speed i unbuckle my seatbelt.  Whenever possible i back my car in.  With the doors still locked i take a look around using my mirrors and windows, before i turn off the engine.  If it’s at all dark i grab my flashlight before I get out of the car.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can wish us merry christmas on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can wish us a merry christmas on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories, and merry christmas to all.

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Episode 90 with Robyn Street

Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

 

 

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 90 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us as to co-host this week..

Robyn, please introduce us to our new listeners.

Robyn- We discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense each week. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments. Our first story took place last week in San Antonio, Texas. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re out to eat with your family?

You and your family are eating at Popeye’s Chicken. Actually, you’re waiting for two of your children to finish washing their hands in the bathroom. It is after 8 in the evening when a man walks up to the cash register and demands money. He is wearing a mask. Now you realize that the store is being robbed. The employees run out the back of the store. The robber turns to you as you and your family. You ask if you can leave. He says no. He demands your money. Then the robber waves his gun at you and your children. The robber looks back at the cash register for a moment. You present your handgun and shoot the masked robber several times. You and your family run from the restaurant. You can barely talk and someone else calls police for you.

Robyn- So glad he was armed.  Be aware of alternate exits when you enter a room.  There is a tactical advantage to seating placement and type.

Rob- It isn’t like our defender could run away and leave some of his family behind.

Robyn- Give the robber your wallet..even if it is empty.  But remember that compliance does not guarantee safety.

Rob- Your wallet..or the store cash register is something else for the robber to think about; something besides shooting you. Is it appropriate to shoot the robber in the back if he turns away from you?

Robyn- You said that the father was waiting for two children to go wash their hands.  He was facing a very difficult scenario.  The father had his family separated with the bad guy in between them.  The father also had to be very aware of the innocent bystanders.

Rob- That doesn’t answer my question. The robber pointed his gun at the children. Now, he looks away, maybe at the cash register. Can I shoot him, even if it is from behind?

Robyn- Our armed dad was patient. He waited until he had time to act. He had it concealed in such a manner that it was a surprise to the armed robber.  Also, he was not frozen in fear or uncertainty. He saw his opportunity and he acted.  I think our defender had practiced presenting his gun from under his clothing so he knew how much time he needed. Good for him.  The story would have been much different if he had not had a gun with him.

Rob- He waited. He recognized an opportunity when it came, and then he acted.

Robyn- Talk to your family members so that they know what to expect from you and you know what to expect from them.  Family members can be a help or a hindrance.  It is best if you can work as a team.  Consider having a special word that means you need to do what we discussed and follow all of my commands without question.

Rob- is there more?

Robyn- If possible be the first person to call 911.  The witnesses are important. If you’re a stranger in the area and there are a gang of robbers, they can all say you started it. The call to the police helps establish that you are the victim and they are the criminals.

Rob- What do I say to the police when I call?

Robyn – I recommend the say little approach.  As we train to use a firearm we also need to train concerning legal issues.  What is legal, where is it legal and what is justified.  We need to prepare for the physical battle and for the potential legal battle.

Rob- Let’s go on.

The second story happened last week in Saint Louis, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you deliver pizza?

You are delivering a pizza late at night. It is dark. You get out of your car and walk up to the address with pizza boxes in hand.  Two men run from around the building. One of them has a gun. You raise your hands and one of them hits you on the head with his gun. You run to your car. The two men start shooting at you. Now you’re behind your car. You draw your pistol and shoot back. The robbers run. You drive away and call police.

Robyn – Pizza delivery is very dangerous.  Pizza drivers are traveling to unfamiliar places.  They have money.  Potential attackers have the advantage of knowing where and when they are summoning their potential victim.  In this case, it was a group of bad guys that were prepared to ambush the pizza delivery man.

Rob- So delivery drivers should be armed..and I hope trained.  What else?

Robyn- This is another example of the parking lot problem. Our hands are full when we leave the grocery store, and this pizza delivery driver had his hands full when he walked up to a strange building.

Rob- We’ve tied ourselves up with packages. He had his hands full of pizzas.

Robyn –  Be prepared to drop or throw all unnecessary items and get to business defending yourself.  I hope that he threw the pizzas as soon as he saw them running toward him.

Rob- What else should he do

Robyn – This encounter occured at night at an unfamiliar location.  I encourage people to carry a flashlight.  Flashlights are good for general safety and also let others know that you can see and identify them.  In some cases people attribute a sense of authority with the flashlight.  Police carry flashlights, that might be the only person that the criminals have seen using a flashlight.  It might be enough to get them to change their plan.  The pizza delivery man had his hands full but he could get the flashlight that attaches to the bill of a hat.  Hands free and he would be able to see.

Robyn- I don’t know what the front of the building looked like. Maybe running was a good idea, or maybe this driver wasn’t as confident about how much time he needed to present his concealed firearm.

Robyn – I would hope that all pizza delivery men have their head on a swivel, aware of their environment and at the first sign of trouble be prepared to leave the environment.

Rob- The driver shot back after he was being shot at. Did he need to wait, or was it justified to shoot first?

Robyn- As soon as the delivery driver was in fear of death or great bodily harm, he was entitled to self-defense.  In this case, he was being ambushed by multiple attackers that were armed with a gun.  He could most definitely articulate why he was in fear for his life.

Rob- The driver drove away before he called police. Is that a problem?

Robyn- Get to safety first. Then call the police.  I would advise to make that call as soon as possible. Our third story happened last week in Dawsonville, Georgia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you stop for gas?

You’re a middle aged woman. You’re filling up your gas tank in the middle of the afternoon. You see a sheriff’s deputy pull up to the gas station with someone in the passenger seat.  A moment later, the stranger is hitting the deputy. You hear the deputy cry for help. The shouts continue. You step to the passenger side of the patrol car and shoot the attacker. The attacker gets out of the car and runs across the street. There, he attacks an elderly lady. A group of people tackle the attacker and hold him until police arrive.

The deputy, the suspect, and the elderly woman were taken to a local hospital for treatment. The armed good samaritan was questioned and released.

Robyn- This is the second story this week where our defender is protecting other people.

Rob- Yep. It’s your lucky week, Robyn.

Robyn- It can be hard to tell who the bad guy or bad gal is in a domestic dispute. It is obvious when a robber is threatening our little children. It is also an easy situation to figure out when you see someone hitting a police officer and the attacker trying to take the officer’s gun. The officer was yelling for the homeless person to stop.

Robyn – A situation like this happened near us.  A man was attacking a police office along side the road.  A citizen stepped in and saved the police officer.

Rob- The attacker was able to run away after he was shot.

Robyn- The homeless attacker chose to run away rather than continue the attack and be shot again. We call that a psychological stop. A physical stop is when the attacker is unable to continue the attack even if he wanted to. Most gunfights end with a psychological stop.

Robyn – Can you believe that even after being shot and running away from a fight  the attacker ran across the street and attacked and elderly woman.  Obviously, he had not learned his lesson yet.  Luckily there was a group of people that tackled the attacker and held him until the police arrived.  

Rob- This happened in the daytime. There are other people around, and you are pumping gas next to a cop car. This doesn’t seem like a dangerous place.

Robyn- True. It is safer than a dark alley in the middle of the night, but it is never completely safe. We need to be aware of our environment at all times.  This woman had a gun on her body. She was prepared to help the police officer in a fraction of a second. She could have helped herself or her family that quickly too.

Rob- What training do your students go through so they can present a firearm that way?

Robyn- Safety, license or permit to carry, range practice so students have the skills to deal with the situation, mental practice so you recognized the situation, legal knowledge to know the rules of engagement and to understand the potential legal aftermath.   Lots of people saw the police officer being attacked. This woman recognized the problem and knew she could help and that she should help. She was mentally prepared as well as physically prepared.

Rob- Where do your students become mentally prepared like that?

Robyn- We talk about self-defense situations. We brainstorm what they could do and what they think they should do. We discuss what to look for in our environment.  This mental training reduces the likelihood that that we will freeze or panic.  Scenario based training increases the likelihood that we will be able to stay in a rational state and make good decisions.  We need to be able to analyze a fluid situation, make appropriate plans and take action.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, I enjoy it every time you’re with us. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. We’re also available on Google Play Music, and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 89 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (13 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 89 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Andee.  Welcome to the show.

Andee- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Andee- Rob, our first story took place last week near Hillsboro, Ohio. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are an older couple.  It is a few minutes before 7 on a Friday morning. You’re getting out of bed when you hear a loud crash from the back of your home. Someone has broken through the back door. Both of you grab your guns. You walk toward the sound and shout for the intruder to leave. The intruder has a rifle in his hands, and you shoot him.

He turns to leave, and so do you. You call police.

Andee- The first thing that stands out to me is the couple both armed themselves and went together to investigate. I think it’s important to have a plan in place ahead of time and for couples to work together as a team, it’s much safer that way.
 The second thing that stood out to me is the use of vocal commands, which is great. In many states you need to warn the person or ask them to leave before using lethal force, unless warning the intruder poses a greater risk. Verbal commands such as “Get out of my house, I have a gun!” are a good way to stop many criminals who wish to avoid a risky confrontation.

 

Andee- Our second story happened last week on the border between Texas and Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive?

You and your wife are driving into Texas.  You notice lights and sirens behind you.  You pull over onto the shoulder and stop your truck. A car pulls up behind you. The car appears to be on fire.  The driver of the car opens his door and then jumps into the back of your truck. Now the police cars are pulling to a stop all around you. Your wife is still in the seat beside you. You get out of your truck, present your firearm and hold the fugitive for the few seconds until police arrive.

The is arrested for evading arrest in a motor vehicle,aggravated kidnapping, assault on a police officer and for traffic violations.

Andee- Ok, my first thought is something I teach in my self defense and situational awareness classes: ALWAYS lock your car doors and if something doesn’t seem right, get away. Distance equals reaction time. Thankfully, the gang member fleeing from the police jumped into the bed of the truck and the husband in the truck was armed and quickly get control of the situation.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Rockledge, Florida.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re working in a auto shop. You hear shots coming from the parking lot behind the shop.  You’re carrying. So is your manager.  Your manager goes into the back lot and shoots at the attacker. Now the attacker chases the manager back into the store. You shoot at your attacker and place two shots on target. The attacker stops.

Other employees are injured.  One is killed.  Neither you nor your manager are hit.

Andee- Thankfully these two men were carrying at work. When the manager went to investigate the gunshots, he saw his employees being shot at and immediately began defending them with his pistol.

The worker and the manager responded quickly to assess the threat. They were both prepared for to protect themselves and others. Had they kept their pistols locked in their car this story could have ended with more fatalities and injuries.

I think in this situation there were signs the shooter was showing mental and emotional problems. It’s important to take note when someone is acting out of place and things in life aren’t going well, such as the loss of a job.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. We’re also available on Google Play Music, and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 88 with Tony Simon

Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 88 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  We are scheduling our Training for 2018 including a once a quarter Safety/ Preparadness conference. Our last 2nd is for everyone : Diversity Shoot on Thursday night. Minuteman challenge Championship was a great success. Our sponsors CNJFO provided good and Modern Materiel provided AR15s.

Rob- Tony, please introduce our show.

Tony- Each week we talk about three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Baltimore, Maryland. Rob, tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are a 62 year old man. You’re at home in your apartment at 9 in the evening. You hear a crash as a strange man breaks through your front door. He has a knife and demands your money and wallet. You say it is right over here. You take your gun from a bedroom drawer and shoot your attacker once. The intruder runs.  You call police.

Tony- Having a gun in a knife fight is better than having fist in a knife fight. The gun turns the fight into a shooting.

Tony- Luck allowed him to get to his handgun.

Rob- How was our defender lucky?

Tony-  The defender was lucky that he was able you get to his firearm. He was also lucky that the bad guy ran away instead of continuing to attack him with the knife.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this situation?

Tony- A knife is as much or more of a threat than a gun, Knives don’t run out of bullets or jam. A firearm is a distance weapon. Don’t give up the advantage of distance.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at your mother’s house?   

You’re 29 years old. You’re helping your mom pack her things. Your mom is moving and your uncle doesn’t like it. Your uncle threatens your mom with a knife. She pushes him away, and he cuts her. You step between them. Now,  your uncle stabs you. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker. Now he steps back.  So do you and the rest of your family.

Your family call the police, and the EMTs.

Tony- Again with the knives. I’m glad the son was armed but he still ended up in the hospital.

Rob- Yep. Does an attacker with a knife have to be advancing toward you to be a lethal threat?

Tony- Knives are not a joke. Training with knives, you learn quickly that in a knife versus knife fight both parties are getting cut. Blades are lethal they have killed more people than handguns, they’ve been doing it longer.

Rob- presentation

Tony- How did the bad guy get so close to the victim? They were family. Your family members are just as deadly as strangers. The bad guy had already cut the victim’s mother and  grandmother.  The victim didn’t use his gun as a distance weapon,  he got close and in between the bad guy and his mom. That got him stabbed.

Rob- close quarters

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Denton, Texas.

DRGO

 

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving?  

You get a call from your step daughter. She already called police after her roommate stole her prescription medications. The roommate then ran over a stranger in the parking lot outside their apartment.

You arrive and you are armed. You help your step daugher back into her apartment. The roommate returns as well. He is carrying a hammer this time, and you tell him to stop where he is. He is yelling curses at you as he advances. You draw your handgun and again you tell the attacker to stop.  This time, he does. He runs away.  You call the police. The attacker is arrested and charged with assault causing bodily injury and for deadly conduct.

Tony- Good thing he had a gun. He took a drug addict seriously and carried his gun with him. P.O.G.O.

Tony- He was able to stop the attack with a firearm and a command presence. Having a gun may not be enough, at times you must give commands that will be followed.

Tony- Drug addiction makes people excellent liars. Having a witness to their criminal activity helps your case. Be the first one to the phone. Tell your story before someone paints you as a bad guy.

Rob- Is a man with a hammer a threat?

Tony-  A hammer is a lethal threat. It’s an impact weapon and is deadly. Thor carried one! LOL.  Hammers have been used as  combat weapon before and they are still deadly.

Tony- Our good guy didn’t chase the bad guy. He didn’t forget that his job is to protect his family not to punish bad guys.

Rob- Where would your students learn to present a firearm that is concealed under their clothes?

Tony- During our introduction to defensive pistol we have students practice drawing from concealment. We introduce the timer to add distress to the exercises along with having to be accurate.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony- http://diversityshoot.com/

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Episode 87 with Ben Branam

Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 87 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Ben. I know you’ve been through a lot since we talked last time.

Ben- Hi, Rob. Classes for church staff.

Rob- Ben, please introduce our show.

Ben- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments. Our first story took place last week in Miami, Florida.

Rob, tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  

You own and operate a small barbershop. You opened the shop a few hours ago. You’re the only one working when someone comes into the shop. It is a customer you’ve seen a few times. The customer stabs you. You push him away, but he tries to stab you again. You grab a gun from the back counter and shoot your attacker. Your attacker stumbles away. You call 911. EMTs take you both to the hospital.

What did our defender to correctly, and what could he have done better.

He had a gun near him. He defended himself.

Ben- What if he’d been attacked away from the drawer where he kept his handgun?

Rob- What if the gun he needed had been under a pair of barber scissors.  That could have cost him a second and he could have gotten stabbed again.

Ben- Our second story happened last week, not far from me, in Schertz, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive to work?

You own a self-service car wash. You When you drive up this morning, you notice that there is already a car parked behind the spray bays. The car door is open, and so is the door to your office. Someone has broken in. You get out of your car and walk toward the door. You see the robber trying to break into the room behind your office. You yell for him to stop. He walks toward you with a pry bar in his hands. You yell for him to stop again. Then you shoot. Now the robber runs away. You call the police.

Ben- Did right. He was armed. He gave a warning. He decided to defend himself. He drew and fired.

 

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Alexandria, Louisiana.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re standing behind the counter?  

You and your brother own and operate a small general store. The place isn’t very big, but it feeds your families and provides supplies to the families in the area. It is Sunday night when three young men enter the store dressed in dark clothes, hoodies, and one of them is carrying a gun. The start yelling and demand the money from the register. You’re armed, but the armed robber has a gun pointed at you. You brother moves toward the cash register and distracts the robber. You draw your gun and start shooting. You shoot the nearest robber in the stomach. The next robber is shot in the arm. The third one is out the door.  All three robbers drive away. The  police arrest them at the local hospital.

Ben- I see that I got the armed at work episode.

Rob- Some instructors get all the luck.

Ben- Armed, patient, his partner created an opportunity for self-defense, great teamwork.

Rob- Anything he could have done better?

Ben- I want them both to be armed. What if they had been standing in different places in the store, then one of them could have been shot and the other would have been unarmed and unable to help.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Episode 86 with Elizabeth Hautman

Welcome to episode 86. Instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 86 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a firearm..and for those who already have one. I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Elizabeth.  How have you been?

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I had five wonderful students. They knew how to shoot, but were brand new to armed self-defense.

Rob- Elizabeth, please introduce our show.

Elizabeth- We discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense to see what we can learn. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Elizabeth- Our first story took place last week in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Rob, set the scene for us.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re walking downtown at night?

You’re walking back to your car. It is late at night. A man comes up to you and says, “Give me your wallet.” You almost don’t believe it. You’re about to ask him to say it again when you notice the gun in his hand. You’re being robbed. You start to back up, and the robber raises his gun. You put your wallet in your left hand. Then you reach for your handgun with your right hand. You have a concealed carry permit, and your armed. You shoot your attacker. He’s startled, and you take that moment to run away.

Then you call police.

Elizabeth- Unexpected things happen. I’ve been out late at night when I didn’t expect to be. Some of my students want a gun for “when I need it”. This man didn’t know he’d need it until he already needed it. Unless you plan to live in your gunsafe, then carry so you’ll have your gun. Now that I’m done with my first sermon.. The first thing our gun owner did was carry a gun when he didn’t expect to need it.

Rob- He also presented a gun quickly, but cautiously. Did you notice that?

Elizabeth- He waited his turn, and then he acted with sufficient violence to stop the threat.

Rob- What are the milestones that a new student goes through so they can present a gun quickly?

Elizabeth- We take small simple steps. firearm safety, including how to store your guns. How to shoot. How to carry.  How to draw. How to move with a gun. And then they have to practice those things.

Rob- That sounds like a lot to learn, but you teach it every week?

 

Our second story happened last week in Los Angeles, California.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?

You’re in your room at your family’s home. It is 2am, and you hear yelling from the front door. A large group of men have broken into your home. They have guns pointed at everyone. You are still in the back hallway and you hear the robbers beating and threatening your family. You go back to your room. You grab your gun and move toward the front of the house. You start shooting as you round the corner. The robbers run.

Police report that eight men broke into your home.  The took two small safes as they ran.

What did our defender do correctly.

Elizabeth- He had a gun to protect his family. This is in Los Angeles County, so you can’t get a carry permit, but you can still have a gun at home. This man did when he was attacked by a large robbery team. That five shot revolver you were thinking of might not be enough gun.

Rob- What else.

Elizabeth- He was determined to protect the people he loved. He moved forward into the fight.

Rob- What could he have done better?

Elizabeth- We can teach you how to use cover. That means you don’t have to run into the middle of the family room and start shooting where the bad guys can shoot back at you. You can shoot out of the darkness and never be seen by your attackers. That means you have to learn low-light shooting too.

Rob- You teach that?

Elizabeth- Sure do. Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you walk down the street?

It is early in the morning when you finally arrive home. You park your car on the street. You walk up to your front door when a young man steps up behind you and points a gun at you. He demands your wallet, your phone, and your keys. You have your Illinois concealed carry permit. You’re carrying. You drop the bag in your hands. You step to the side and then draw your own firearm. You shoot several times. Then you run.

The  police picked up your attacker not far from your front door. He was shot in the abdomen, and in both legs. You are shaken, but you’re not shot. The police say your attacker’s gun was only a pellet gun. They take your attacker to the hospital.

Elizabeth- What did I say about our first story? Have your gun when you need it.

Rob- Wow. There was no time to “get my gun”. I was reading that over three millions of us carry concealed every day. I was disappointed that it is wasn’t more, but you have to start somewhere.

Elizabeth- Wait your turn. Know how fast you are, and then defend yourself.

Rob- How do people practice to draw a loaded gun.

Elizabeth- Dry practice. (What’s that?)

Get your permit.  Carry your gun.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Episode 85 with David Cole

Welcome to episode 84. Instructor David Cole joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 85 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor David Cole joins us as to co-host this week.

Hi, David.  How have you been?

David- Hi, Rob.  I got a new gun and am learning to use it.

Rob- David, please introduce our show.

David- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense to see what we can learn. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

David- Our first story took place last week in Dallas, Texas. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You hear music blaring from a car out on the street.  A few minutes later, you hear someone banging on your front door.  It is 5 in the morning. You answer the door and a stranger asks to come in. You tell him he has the wrong address and can’t come inside. The stranger seems confused and angry, but he leaves.

A few minutes later the stranger returns and kicks down your front door. You grab the gun from your nightstand and confront the stranger standing in your home. You shoot him several times. Then, the intruder runs away. Police retrieve him from your front yard.

David, what can we learn from this story?

David- It sounds like the man may have been on drugs, and I noticed that the police took samples from the intruder’s car for testing.

Rob- What did our homeowner do right?

David- The door was locked.

Rob- Why is that important?

David- They have to force their way inside.

David- The homeowner was armed.

Rob- How did the homeowner get his gun?

David- We don’t know.

Rob- How did the homeowner identify the intruder in the dark?

David- flashlight, or maybe the home lights were still on after the earlier visit.

Rob- Should the homeowner have called the police after the first contact even though no crime had yet been committed?

David- That’s a tough call, but it was definitely suspicious in my book. Could at least call non-emergency for extra patrol. I personally would not have opened the door at all. No one I know is going to come knocking without calling first, and you’re under no obligation to open the door to a stranger at 5 AM.

Rob- Anything else?

David- Get better door locks.

David- Our second story happened last week in Lancaster County, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed in the morning?

Someone rings your doorbell at 8 in the morning. You answer it. A stranger forces his way inside. You try to push him out and he pushes you away. You reach for your phone, and the stranger grabs it. You run to your room and get your gun. You shoot when they criminal follows you. Now the criminal runs away.

You identify your intruder. He has outstanding warrants for first-degree burglary, kidnapping and first-degree assault.

David- That says that the old saying..just call the police..is a lie. You won’t have time and you won’t have an opportunity until the criminal is done with you.

Rob- Let’s talk about our homeowner. What did she do right?

David- The door was locked. That meant the intruder couldn’t open the door and take her by surprise.  That is good…but when you voluntarily open the door to an unknown, the lock is no longer a factor.  Also, she tried to retreat and call the police, and she owned a gun. That is good too, but there is a lot we can learn. Better to have your gun on your person, where it is secure and immediately accessible.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

David- Carry all the time, and don’t open the door to strangers!

Rob- Should we talk through the door?

David- Yes. Try it some time. A common ploy is for the would be intruder to ask for help of some sort…their car is broken down, etc. Instead of opening the door, offer to make a call for them.

Rob- What else can we learn from her experience.

David- Have a gun on your body, preferably concealed. Practice with it so you can present it and hit your attacker with the first shot.

Rob- An unloaded gun would have been worthless to this woman. I wonder how she called the police. Did the criminal take her phone, or did he drop it after she shot at him.

David- Along with a gun, keep a cell phone on your person. Even your old flip phones will still call 911.  Have a plan for escape if necessary. Possibly meet your neighbors so you have some place to run. That way you can call the police from someplace safe.

David- Our third story happened last week in Keithville, Louisiana.

DRGO

 

Rob- Third story- Can you defend yourself at home?

You heard something. You looked through the porch windows to see four young men wearing hoodies and carrying backpacks on your porch. It is 10 in the morning and you’re armed. You answer the front door with your gun in your hand. That isn’t what this robbery crew hoped to find. They run away. A neighbor had already called the police. The four were arrested. The police found the hoodies, backpacks, and a large knife. They were booked for Simple Burglary, Possession of Burglary Tools, and Possession of Marijuana.

David- I’m glad she had a gun, but please don’t open the door.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

David- You are under no obligation to open your door to strangers. You don’t even have to speak to them, but if you choose to, you can do it through the door.

Rob- Was this homeowner well prepared, or was she lucky?

David- It sounds like she did not have her gun with her. She would have been overwhelmed if the robbers had broken in and she was away from her gun.

Rob- This story took place in Louisiana. It is an open carry state, so even if she didn’t have a carry permit, our homeowner could carry everywhere on her property. Suppose one of your students had never touched a gun before.  Walk us through it. How many classes would they usually take before the could carry and present a firearm to protect themselves?

David- The basics can be learned in a day, easily…and “super advanced” skills are just not necessary. The reason a firearm is such an effective defensive tool is because it is so easy to use. The very argument many anti-gun people offer against gun ownership is that it makes it too easy to do violence…but that is precisely what makes it so useful in self defense! Probably just as important is to know the law regarding use of force, and books like Andrew Branca’s “Law of Self Defense” or Massad Ayoob’s “Deadly Force” are great resources.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Dave- I teach in the Cincinnati area. You can find my company, Aegis Solutions on Facebook.  Also, my articles on gun rights are at Black Man With A Gun.

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