Episode 121 with Ben Branam

Can you defend yourself at your office, as you drive, at home and where you work? Instructor Ben Branam brings us three new stories of self-defense. (23 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 121 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already a firearm.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have self defense instructor Ben Branam with us as co-host.

Hi, Ben.  I know you’ve been working on physical conditioning as well as shooting in the last few weeks.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working out and shooting..and my website was hacked by a shoe store.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Ben- We will study several examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation, but were they lucky, or did they do the right thing? Our first story took place last week in Princess Anne, Maryland.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  

You own and operate a pharmacy. You ate lunch and are working in your office on some paperwork. You hear shouts from the front of the store. You step out of your office to see two large men wearing ski masks over their faces. They have a rifle pointed at your employees and your customers at the check-out line. You grab your handgun out of your drawer and shoot at the robbers. They run. None of your employees or customers were hurt.

Ben- The pharmacist had a gun.  Good for him.

Rob- Both of the robbers were over six feet tall, and they had a rifle.

Ben- The attackers had an preponderance of force. There were two of them and only one armed defender. They told people to get down on the ground. They posed a lethal threat with their rifle. That is why lethal force was justified, and necessary, to save innocent lives.

Rob- You need to recognize the situation when you see it. You can ask yourself, if I see this, am I justified in protecting myself and others.

Ben- Our good guy had thought that part through. He did not think about his self-defense enough. He did NOT carry a gun on his body. He had his gun in a drawer in his back office. That means he was  lucky to be in his office when the attack happened. If he had been at the drug counter.. A place where he spends a lot of time each day.. then the thieves could have taken the money, the drugs, the gun, and perhaps their lives as well.

Rob- Is this a common crime and a common response?

Ben- The bad news is that people are robbed tens of thousands of times a day. The good news is that we defend ourselves with a gun, in situations just like this, thousands of times a day.

Rob- You’ve trained small business owners. What do you tell them to do?

Ben- The pharmacist recognized a problem. He faced a lethal threat and he acted. He shot at his attackers. When it is time to press the trigger, opening your mouth and talking makes it much more likely that you’re going to get shot.

Rob- he understood that this could happen to him.

Ben- Right. I’m betting that either he was robbed before, or someone he knew was robbed. Most people don’t listen to this podcast, so they don’t know.

In this case, there were three gang members who came in to do harm. That is why I want all the adult staff to be armed, not just the sore owner. There were times when the pharmacist wasn’t at his desk with his gun. He might go out for lunch. He might run to the bank or go to the post office box. He might be in the back of the store accepting a shipment that was being delivered. That means he won’t be there to protect his staff.

I want the assistant pharmacist armed because they are at risk.

I want the cashire and the stocking clerk armed because they are at risk.

Rob- The pharmacist missed his attackers when he shot at them.

Ben- A gun is not a magic wand. You have to practice until your first shot hits your target.

Another good thing that the pharmacist did is he did not chase after the robbers. I want you to stay behind a wall so you don’t give that bad guys a target to shot at.

Also, there was a getaway driver waiting for the criminals to come out. You don’t want to run out the door and get shot by their accomplice. So, good job there. The police arrested all three of the bad guys and they are now in jail.

Rob- Anything else?

Ben- That is enough for now. Our second story happened last week in Old Iron Town, Utah.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?   

You’ve finished lunch and are at home with your spouse. You’re both retired and have some disabilities. You hear a crash from the front of your house. A naked man broke through your front door. You shout at him to get out. You also grab your gun. The stranger walks toward your spouse and you shoot the intruder. Now the intruder turns around and leaves.

You call police.

Police find the intruder sitting in front of your house. He fights with the police and has to be tazed several times.

Ben- This is the carry your gun on you all the time episode.

Rob- How so?

Ben- Suppose you and your spouse were on opposite sides of the house when the intruder breaks in. You might have to fight your way to your gun while your spouse is being attacked, and then get back to the fight while the attacker is now holding your spouse. That’s a very hard problem to solve. That is a nightmare. You’re in your 60s or 70s and a 24 year old man is beating up your wife or your husband.

Suppose you were watching your grandkids that day. Maybe then you can’t get to your gun and you all become victims. Let’s plan ahead so we face a problem we can solve.

Rob- Lots of people imagine they will have time to get their gun.

Ben- We’ve asked our listeners to find out for themselves. If you have a gun in the other end of the house, have a friend start clapping slowly. As they clap, you have to go to your gun and then come back to your friend. Each clap was a time your friend was hit by an attacker. Do you want to wait that long? I don’t.

Rob- Wow.

Ben- Again, our good guys used verbal commands. “Get out of here.” and then they used self-defense when those commands didn’t work. Good job. Again, they called police and did not chase the crazy naked man. Leave that for the cops.

Rob- I noticed that both our first story and our second story took place in the middle of the afternoon.

Ben- Our third story happened last week outside of Pittsburg, Pennsylvania.

Rob- Fist this message from Doctors for responsible gun ownership.

Ben- Hey, I know them.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving?

You delivered food to an address after midnight. You’re walking back to your car when a stranger comes out of the darkness.

The stranger has a knife and demands your money and keys. He stabs you. You retreat to your car and grab your gun. You shoot your attacker. Now he stops attacking you.

Neighbors come outside and call police. You’re taken to the hospital for stab wounds to your back, shoulder, and head.

Ben- I just talked about being able to save your friend because you had your gun on you. The friend you save might be yourself. Good that our defender had a gun. Better if he had it on his body so he could get it when he needed it. This happened in Pennsylvania, so the driver could have a concealed carry permit and carry in public.

Rob- I bet he will once his wounds heal.

Ben- Yeah, but some wounds don’t heal. I want us to learn from his situation rather than wait until it happens to us or someone in our family.

And another thing, wearing a holster gives you a place to put your gun after you’ve defended yourself. The police won’t try to stop your bleeding until they have your gun put away. Witnesses are also reluctant to help you when you have a gun in your hands. Wear a holster if you can. We can show you how to use it. Honest. Millions of people carry concealed today..but you don’t see them..because, well, its concealed.

Rob- Yeah. We don’t advertise. Let’s go on to our fourth story.

Ben- Forth story? We usually do three stories.

Rob- Our listeners left us a message on the podcast facebook page and asked for a fourth story. If you like more stories, then let us know. If you want a shorter podcast, then let us know that as well.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed when you’re working construction outside?

You and your partner are working to repair an underground cable. It is an emergency repair and it is late at night. You’re both standing at the bottom of an excavated hole. Two strangers walk up to your work site. They point their gun at you and demand your money and your tools.

You draw your gun and shoot the robbers. They run away. You call police. They find one of the injured robbers at the end of the street.

Ben- I’m so glad he had a gun because it is really scary to have people pointing a gun at you when you’re down in a hole and can’t run away.

A gunfight is when the bad guys shoot at you and you shoot back. You don’t want to be in a gunfight. Good tactics mean you get a turn to shoot and they don’t. Use good tactics so you’re involved in a shooting where you stop the threat and they don’t get a chance to shoot you.

Rob- How do we change a gunfight into a shooting?

Ben- I’ve worked construction. You’re wearing a tool belt. You have keys and wallets and guns in your pockets. Just like at home when you undress, it takes time to pull all that out and complete the pocket dump.

Wait until the robber is watching your partner or reaching down for your wallet before you reach for your gun. In fact, the robber won’t recognize when you’re reaching for your gun because he expects you to be reaching into your pocket for your wallet.

“Easy, man. Here are the keys, and phone, and wallet. Take ‘em.”

Rob- So wait your turn.

Ben- Know how much time you need to present your gun and take a shot. Act when you see that opportunity. That said, don’t hesitate. You’re looking at a person who threatened to kill you. Don’t talk when it is time to press the trigger.

The good news is that you’re in a hole and under cover. That means that you’re hard to shoot once the bad guys step back a few feet. I like that a lot.

Once you defend yourself, grab your cell phone and call the police. Don’t jump out of the hole and chase the bad guys. You did a good job and didn’t get shot so far, now don’t go and spoil your good work.

Speaking from experience, you probably have to get out of the hole and get a drink of water and pee after the attack. If the scene is safe, then put your gun away and stay there until the police arrive.

Rob- We’ll be back after this message from the Second Amendment Foundation.

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Exit-  Rob- that wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- Look for me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Do you like the longer podcast with four stories? Do you want more personal news from our instructors? Let us know what you think by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  We have an inbox there if you don’t want to leave your message in public.

Ben-  We share this podcast with you for free.  All we ask is that you share the podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 112 with Ben Branam

Can you protect innocent victims at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Ben Branam brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (14 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 112 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse and Ben Branam is our co-host. Ben, how have you been?

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy moving into a new house and teaching classes.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Ben- We study three recent examples of armed defense. These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. Ask yourself what you would do in their place.

Our first story took place last week in Jacksonville, Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you go shopping?  

You’re sitting in your car at Walmart when a man runs up and pulls open your driver’s side door. He has a knife in his hands and tells you to get out of your car. You put up your hands and are cut on your hands and arms several times. You slide toward the passenger side, and pull your gun from under the seat. Now your attacker runs away.

The attacker runs to a car waiting in a nearby drive-through lane. This time the woman in the car slides out of the car and grabs her gun from under the seat. Again, the criminal runs away.

Police arrest the criminal as he hid in a nearby bathroom. The criminal had robbed the Walmart a minute before the first assault.

Ben- lucky versus good practice

Ben- Have a gun.

Ben- Pogo. lock your car doors. Practice drawing your firearm when you’re seated.

Our second story happened last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?

You drive up to your house and notice that the door is open. You hear your dog barking. You walk inside and see two young men. They see you and pull handguns from their pockets. You dive for your front closet and take out a rifle. It is loaded and your shoot both of your attackers. Now you back out of the house and call police. You show the police your surveillance tapes. That shows the break in and you defending yourself.

Both robbers die at the scene.

Ben- This homeowner was lucky rather than smart.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

Ben- He had a video system. Add a simple alarm system to it. That way he would have known not to enter his home.

Rob- Call the police. Let them chase the bad guys.

Rob- So avoid the avoidable gun fight so you don’t get shot.

Ben- I am glad he had a rifle for self-defense. That works.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Cape Coral, FloridaGive a listen at http://www.armedlutheran.us/

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?

You work at a roofing company. One of the employees is upset. There is an argument in the front office and you walk over to see what is going on.  The employee threatens you and says he’s going to get even. He storms out of the building. You have other employees outside. You follow him. The angry employee grabs a gun from his truck. You tell him to put the gun down. He points the gun at you. You are carrying concealed. You draw and shoot your attacker. You go back into the building and call police and EMTs.

The police take your attacker to the hospital. You show police your security video. They identify the employee as a convicted felon, so he shouldn’t have had a gun in the first place. Your attacker faces charges of possession of a weapon by a convicted felon and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Ben- This time the defender had a gun on him.

Ben- He could have locked the office doors, but that would have left the people in the parking lot on their own to face an armed attacker.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us today. Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 103 with Ben Branam

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and as you drive? Firearms instructor Ben Branam brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (15 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 103 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. Firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us as co-host.

 

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Ben- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. What should we do if we were in this situation? Our first story took place last week in Travelers Rest, South Carolina.  Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?

You’re at home at 10 in the evening. You hear someone breaking the back window of your home. You grab your gun and investigate. You see a stranger standing in the back of your home. He has a knife. You shout for him to leave. He shouts back. You shoot. Now he runs.

You call police.

The police find the robber next to your home and take him to the hospital. Your attacker was arrested for burglary and drug possession. He is out of state prison on parole.

 

 

Ben- Our second story happened last week in Avondale, Arizona.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive with your children?   

You were attacked by your boyfriend. You want to stay with your family for a few days, so you drive to your home to get some clothes. Your boyfriend appears from around the corner of the house. He orders you inside. Your child is in the car and you say you have to drop him off first. Your kidnapper gets in the car. He turns away and talks to the child. You grab his gun and get out of the car.

The kidnapper runs and you shoot at him. You call police and they find your attacker nearby. He is charged with aggravated assault, kidnapping, and possession of a weapon by a prohibited person.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Aurora, Colorado.

Give a listen at http://www.armedlutheran.us/

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re a barber. You are at work in your shop when you hear gunshots coming from the small grocery store next door. You look outside and the glass at the front of the grocery store shatters. You get against the wall. A man runs out of the store and continues to shoot into the building the store owner chases him. The robber continues to shoot and you see that your neighbor is hit. You draw your firearm and shoot the robber. Now he runs. The Indian woman who owns the store in injured and you go to help her. Someone calls police.

Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 97 with Ben Branam

Can you protect yourself away from home? Learn how. Ben Branam brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected other people. (16 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 97 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who have one and want to learn more.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Ben Branam as co-host this week.

Hi, Ben.  How have you been?

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been really busy with my day job.  We had fun with Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio. (Starting here)  On this podcast, we study three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re walking on the street?

You’re a woman in your thirties. It is mid-morning and you’re walking down the street. You hear a woman scream. You see a man attacking the woman who delivers your mail. The attacker has the mailwoman down on the ground and is pulling at her clothes. You yell for him to stop. He won’t. You step near the attacker, draw your gun, and shoot into the ground. Now the man stops attacking the woman.  He stands up and runs at you. You shoot into the ground in front of him. He stops and runs away. You turn back to the victim of the sexual assault and ask her if she is ok. She is shaken. The police arrive in minutes and tell you to put the gun down. You follow their instructions. The police find the attacker in a nearby alley.

Ben- Great that our defender was armed. She had a gun on her so she could help herself and other people who clearly needed it.

Rob- How do we know the mail carrier needed help?

Ben- She was mounted with a larger attacker on top of her. The mail carrier faced a lethal threat or great bodily harm. Rape is considered great bodily harm.

Rob- And that is the legal justification for using lethal force?

Ben- Yes. If someone is trying to kill you, you can shoot them to defend yourself. If someone is trying to choke you unconscious or rape you, you can shoot them to defend yourself.

Rob- But they weren’t attacking me or the armed defender.

Ben- Right. You have the right to use lethal force because the sexual assault victim had that right. You are doing it for her. You’re acting like a bodyguard and you get your legal justification from the rights of the victim.

Rob- Because the mail carrier had the right to defend herself, I have the right to defend her?

Ben- Exactly. I wish that this defender had been in my class because we talk about that. She would have known that she could shoot the attacker rather than shoot near him.

Rob- Could you say more about that?

Ben- Not right now. We’ll talk about warning shots later. I want to go back to what the defender did correctly. She followed the instructions that the police gave her. They said put the gun down. She complied immediately and didn’t argue. That is not the time to explain that you’re the good person. Drop your gun so the police don’t shoot you.  They are going to secure the scene before they do anything else. The faster you comply the faster the police can help the sexual assault victim.

Rob- Is there more.

Ben- Lots more, but I’ll save some of it for the next story. Our second story happened last week in Actworth, Georgia.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you are out to eat?

It is very early Saturday morning. You’re having breakfast at a restaurant. You look up as two men enter in hurry. They are wearing hoodies..and have guns drawn. They demand the money from the cash register. They are pointing their guns at the clerk behind the counter. You’re armed. You draw your firearm and shoot at the robbers. They run. You check on the clerk and call police.

Ben- Good he had a gun. Draw from a seated position at a table. Similar to presenting when you’re in your car.

Why miss? Don’t send warning shots. Justified or not. Civilians can’t use a firearm as a tool of intimidation.  That is what the bad guys do.  We don’t do that.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Springville, Utah.

Rob- First this message GFR

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving your car?

You’re driving on Main Street just after noon. This has to be the safest place in the world at the safest time of day. You look over and see a police car with its light flashing. The officer is on the ground and another man is on top of him hitting the police officer. You stop your car and get out. You have your carry permit. You’re armed. You shout for the attacker to stop. He doesn’t. You draw your gun and then the attacker stops. He runs away. Police arrive and you put your gun away.

The injured police officer was taken to the hospital with broken bones in his face. The attacker was arrested and has a lengthy police record..

Ben- This is the week for stories about helping a third party.

Rob- I knew you could handle it.

Ben- We have an unarmed mail carrier. A clerk in a waffle house, and an armed cop.

Rob- And more.

Ben- That’s right. Each of the victims were at risk of death or great bodily injury.

Rob- and no one died in each case, so what is going on here?

Ben- Remember how we get our justification from the victim? We’re betting our freedom that the person we think is the victim didn’t start the fight. The mail carrier didn’t start the fight. The clerk behind the counter at Waffle house didn’t start the fight. Here, the police officer didn’t start the fight. The presumption of innocence is pretty strong in this case. That might not be true for your uncle Bob.

Rob- Was our armed responder justified in shooting and perhaps killing the attacker?

Ben- Being on your back and being hit means the attacker has a disparity of force.

Exit-  Rob- Ben, that wraps up this episode. Thank you for helping us today. Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 87 with Ben Branam

Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 87 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Ben. I know you’ve been through a lot since we talked last time.

Ben- Hi, Rob. Classes for church staff.

Rob- Ben, please introduce our show.

Ben- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments. Our first story took place last week in Miami, Florida.

Rob, tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  

You own and operate a small barbershop. You opened the shop a few hours ago. You’re the only one working when someone comes into the shop. It is a customer you’ve seen a few times. The customer stabs you. You push him away, but he tries to stab you again. You grab a gun from the back counter and shoot your attacker. Your attacker stumbles away. You call 911. EMTs take you both to the hospital.

What did our defender to correctly, and what could he have done better.

He had a gun near him. He defended himself.

Ben- What if he’d been attacked away from the drawer where he kept his handgun?

Rob- What if the gun he needed had been under a pair of barber scissors.  That could have cost him a second and he could have gotten stabbed again.

Ben- Our second story happened last week, not far from me, in Schertz, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive to work?

You own a self-service car wash. You When you drive up this morning, you notice that there is already a car parked behind the spray bays. The car door is open, and so is the door to your office. Someone has broken in. You get out of your car and walk toward the door. You see the robber trying to break into the room behind your office. You yell for him to stop. He walks toward you with a pry bar in his hands. You yell for him to stop again. Then you shoot. Now the robber runs away. You call the police.

Ben- Did right. He was armed. He gave a warning. He decided to defend himself. He drew and fired.

 

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Alexandria, Louisiana.

Give Lloyd a listen at http://www.armedlutheran.us/

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re standing behind the counter?  

You and your brother own and operate a small general store. The place isn’t very big, but it feeds your families and provides supplies to the families in the area. It is Sunday night when three young men enter the store dressed in dark clothes, hoodies, and one of them is carrying a gun. The start yelling and demand the money from the register. You’re armed, but the armed robber has a gun pointed at you. You brother moves toward the cash register and distracts the robber. You draw your gun and start shooting. You shoot the nearest robber in the stomach. The next robber is shot in the arm. The third one is out the door.  All three robbers drive away. The  police arrest them at the local hospital.

Ben- I see that I got the armed at work episode.

Rob- Some instructors get all the luck.

Ben- Armed, patient, his partner created an opportunity for self-defense, great teamwork.

Rob- Anything he could have done better?

Ben- I want them both to be armed. What if they had been standing in different places in the store, then one of them could have been shot and the other would have been unarmed and unable to help.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 80 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 80. Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (22 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 80 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for the people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

I know you volunteered to do some Hurricane cleanup with your church.  You were down in Rockport, Texas.  Thank you.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I drained the savings account, bought supplies, and took the truck down to the coast.  That is what we do.

Rob- Two of our instructors went through the eye of hurricane Irma. Jeff and Robyn Street live in Naples Florida. They prepared well and did well. They have water and power, so they have air conditioning, but they don’t have phone or internet yet. Best wishes to Jeff and Robyn.  

Ben- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week near Seattle, Washington.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home in the middle of the day?  

You’re at home with your mom and your kids.  Your older kids are at school, but your young ones are at home taking a nap.  You’re not expecting visitors, but you hear someone knocking on your front door.  Before you can answer it, you hear a tearing sound coming from your children’s bedroom.  You grab your gun and run to your kid’s room.  A man has torn out the window fan and is climbing through the window next to your kids.  Another man is standing next to him with his hands on the sill ready to jump in.  You shoot him the nearest intruder.  Both men run away.  You call police.

Ben- That isn’t exactly what happened.  You don’t “get your gun”.  Those few words hide something that can take half a minute.  Let’s be realistic.  You have more time to fight a fire in your kitchen than to fight an intruder in your childrens’ bedroom..and I keep a fire extinguisher on the kitchen wall.  Please have a gun with you.

Rob-  Why did this man need a gun?

Ben-  he was outnumbered and his children were in immediate danger.  Our armed citizen had an intruder in his home within feet of his kids and another intruder next to him.

Whew.  I’m a dad, and that gets me excited.

Let me explain.  You had intruders break into your home by force and without your permission.

They had immediate access to your children.

You were outnumbered.

Rob-  You don’t have many options.

Ben- Not any good ones..and you don’t have time to think.  You have seconds to act, and you put your children in danger if you delay.

Rob- So what did our dad do right?

Ben- He grabbed the tool he needed.  He used it.  He stopped using it.  He probably took care of his screaming kids, because I’m sure they were freaked out by the break in.  Then, someone got their brain back online and called the police.

Rob-  That sounds so simple.

Ben- Yeah, it does, but it isn’t.  You have to break it down to really simple steps, because even doing simple things is hard when your family is at risk and you’re going a little crazy inside yourself.

Rob-  Wow.  Keep breathing.  I’m getting wrapped up in it, and it’s only a story.

Ben-  Yep, breathing helps.  Having a plan helps a lot.

Rob- You call it a plan.

Ben- A checklist.  Have your tools with you.  Recognize an immediate threat.  Defend the people you love.  Treat the injured.  Call the police.  There are not a lot of moving parts.  Just a few steps.

Rob- Have a plan.

Ben- Yep, have a plan, and ready or not, our second story happened last week in ALBUQUERQUE, N.M

Rob- Ok, Ben.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re a mother with two children and you’re working in a Circle-K gas station.  A customer tells you that a nearby 7-11 has just been robbed af few minutes ago.  You’re concerned, so you walk to your car and get your gun.  You don’t have a carry permit, so you open carry with your legally owned gun in your pocket.  You also lock one of the side doors to the convenience store.

It is the usual busy time at 4 in the afternoon.  There are several customers in the store and at the gas pumps.  A man walks in wearing a ski mask, carrying a bag, and holding a gun.  He screams that everyone is to get down on the ground.. except you.  He waves his gun at the customers, and then points the gun at you.  The robber tells you to put the money into the bag.  You do.  You hand him the bag, and draw your gun.  You shoot him once in the chest.  The robber drops his gun and runs from the store.  Police find him behind the building.  They are looking at the surveillance video to see if he robbed the other store as well.

Ben- Good for her.  The first lesson is to be armed.  

Rob- she was.

Ben- Better yet, spend the $100 for a permit so you can concealed carry.

Rob- Why is that important?

Ben- You want to act when you have the best chance to win.  There is no advantage to communicate that you’re armed in this situation.  I don’t want this young lady to be shot if the robber sees her gun.

Rob- at least she was armed in time.

Ben- Yes.  Once you have your gun, then, I want you to have tactical patience.  I want you to cheat.  Don’t get into a fast-draw contest if you can avoid it.  I’m fast, but I want all the good guys to cheat if they can.  If you are in a “fair fight” you did something wrong.

Show some tactical patience until you have an advantage.  Then act as violently as you can.  Surprise, Speed and Violence of action will win all the time.

Rob- Really?  Be as violent as you can?

Ben-  Is it the life of your spouse, your child, or your friend that is on the line?  They don’t deserve to die.  You don’t deserve to die either.  Do as much as you can to stop a lethal threat.  Keep going until the threat isn’t there.  Is that running away, or emptying your magazine and reloading?  I don’t know.  I won’t be there.  That is why I’m begging you to do your mental homework now.

Rob- But Ben.

Ben- But nothing.  This woman was terrified because she thought she was going to die.  She didn’t start the fight.  She didn’t want the fight.  When the fight comes to you, then fight for your life.  This woman saved the life of her customers.  I hope she waved the bag in front of her.  Set the bag on the counter, and then drew her gun and fired as she stepped to the side.

Rob- And..

Ben- And if the bad guy runs away, then stop.  Starting is hard.  So is stopping.  Maybe stopping is even harder.  It is hard to tell.  The clerk was pretty shaken up, but call police if you can.

Rob- There is more to say.  There is, but that is enough for now.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You and your wife are at home in your apartment on a Saturday afternoon.  You’re both in your late 70s.  Your wife answers a knock at the door, and she is thrown back into the room as two young men smashed their way inside.  Before you know what is happening, the two intruders start beating you with a club.  You fall down, but you grab the gun in your waistband as you fall.  You roll to the side and shoot the attacker standing over you.  Both attackers run.  You call police and EMTs.  You and your wife go to the hospital.

Ben-  The man was an army veteran.  He had a gun on him, at home, on a sunny weekend afternoon.  And he needed it.

Rob- He was on his knees with two attackers beating  him, and he won.

Ben-  He had the physical tools and he had the mental tools to use them.

Rob-  Down but not out of the fight.

Ben-  He wounded one attacker.  They ran.  That stopped the attack on him and his wife.  Great job.

Rob- What would you tell your students?

Ben- He did a great job, but I wish he could have avoided the fight.  I ask my students to buy an electronic doorbell so they can see who is outside.

Rob- That would have kept the bad guys outside?

Ben- It would have bought our good guys more time as the thugs had so smash their way into the house.

Rob- Anything else?

Ben- I wish that they had  both been armed because I don’t want either one of these nice old people beaten up.

Rob- That would make a difference?

Ben- If they were both armed and had worked together even a little bit, then these two young guys wouldn’t stand a chance.

Rob- Really!?  Even if it were two guys in their 20s against a couple in their late 70s?

Ben- You know how hard it is for one person to fight off two attackers.  Now imagine how hard it is to hurt two people who can defend themselves at a distance.  It is so much of an advantage that it makes the bad guys look silly. I talk about it on my podcast.  The male homeowner yells.  The bad guys move toward him, and his wife has all the time in the world to stop the problem.  She can draw slowly and aim..and she’ll own them.

Rob- If they work together and have a plan.

Ben- And if they are both armed.

Exit-  Rob-  Thank you, Ben.  That wraps up this episode. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Please donate to Ben’s Hurricane fund by Paypal at Ben@modernselfprotection.com Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- Our download numbers are headed up, so that you for sharing the podcast with your friends.  I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Ben- No we won’t.

Rob- We won’t?  Oh, that’s  right.  Next week, Ben and I will be in Dallas at the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  This will be my 7th conference.

Ben- And this will be my first one.  I hope to see our listeners there.

Rob- See you there, and we’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 74 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 74. Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 74 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

Hi, Ben.  How have you been?

 

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’m getting ready to teach in Ohio with Bob Mayne and Paul Carlson.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week in Blytheville, Arkansas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re working at Domino’s pizza and it’s late at night.  A middle aged man walks up to the counter and asks to speak with the manager.  The manager arrives, and then you see the customer draw a gun and demand the money from the cash register.  You’re armed.  Your co-worker is being held at gunpoint, so you draw your own firearm and shoot the robber.  The robber drops his gun and stumbles away.  The rest of you run to the back room and call police.

Ben- Just an ordinary evening..until everything changes and your life is at risk.  The armed defender saved his life and his co-workers life.  Good for him.

Rob-  How did that happen?

Ben-  His head was up and out of his phone.

He was armed at work.

The gun was accessible, and not stuffed in his backpack in the trunk of his car.

He knew how to present a weapon when it is concealed under his clothing.

He saw an opportunity when the robber’s attention was focused on the manager.

He shot the robber until the threat stopped.  Then, the victim stopped shooting.

He ran for safety and called the police, and remained on the scene.

No surprise, but the robber had a criminal record.

Rob- When do your students learn to do all that?

Ben- Our second story happened last week in Detroit, Michigan.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you stop for coffee?

You’re a 61 year old man.  You work as a musician.  This morning you stop for coffee as you pass a gas station.  You are standing in line when a 16 year old notices that you’re carrying a gun.  The 16 year old draws his gun and pushes in into your back.  He demands you hand over your gun and your wallet.  You say, OK, and as you start to turn around you draw your gun and shoot your attacker in the stomach.  The robber drops his gun and you escape to call police.

The robber picks up his gun and limps outside. He is arrested and charged with assault with intent to murder, carrying a weapon with unlawful intent and a felony firearms violation.

Ben- Good that you had a gun.

Rob-  Ben, I’ve heard you say we have to know our limitations.  Some gun owners are so fast that they could out-draw an attacker.  This victim waited until his gun was away from his attacker to draw and shoot immediately.

Ben-  Old age and treachery beats youth and inexperience.

I don’t know why our gun owner was open carrying.  Maybe he didn’t know how to draw from concealment.  It would have even been better for the victim if his firearm was concealed.  I teach that to my students every day.

Please get some training before you carry.  Safely grabbing a loaded gun in a hurry takes practice.  When you draw, you will have to get your clothes out of the way to get a good grip on your gun.  Let us show you how to do it.

Rob- What would you ask your students to do in a situation like this?

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Puyallup, Washington.

 

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

It is late at night.  You’re at home and you hear someone pounding your apartment door.  You look through the window and you think you see that the stranger is armed.  You go grab your gun and you don’t open the door.  The robber breaks down the door and enters your apartment.  You’re waiting and you shoot him.  You call police.

The robber runs and is arrested at the hospital.

Ben-  Good that you had a loaded gun at home.  Our victim was also lucky.

Rob- How was he lucky?

Ben-  Our intruder gave the victim time to respond.  What if the first sound he’d heard had been the sound of the robber crashing through the door and entering the home.  He would have been an unarmed man facing an armed attacker.  What if you were on the other side of your house when the robber broke in. You’d have to fight your way past an armed attacker to get to your gun.  See why you don’t want to be that guy?!

You bought a gun, now carry it.  You’re carrying it, now get training.  You’ve been trained, now practice at home and at the range.

Rob-  Yes, dad.  Anything else?

Ben- You get to buy a new front door.  It would have been much cheaper to put an automatic light outside your front door so the light goes on and sounds a chime when someone walks onto your porch.

Rob- Cheap insurance.

Ben- And put long screws into your front door.  That will buy you another 15 seconds to wake up and react.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 68 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 68. Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do in their situation? (16 minutes )

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 68 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

Hi, Ben.  I know you’ve been instructing in Illinois.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I got to teach in Illinois with Bob Mayne.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week near Mobile, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home in the early afternoon? (and here)

You hear a knock at your front door.  You look through the glass side panels and see three people standing outside.  They see you too.  They shoot you with a shotgun.  You step back and reach behind a cabinet.  You grab the handgun you keep there.  You open the door and shoot your attackers striking all three of them as they try to shoot you again.  You’ve met them before.

You’re a veteran of the marine corps.  Some young kids broke into your house last month.  You caught them.  They threatened you if you reported them to the police.  Now they are lying wounded outside your door.  You call police and ask for medical assistance.

Ben- Our second story happened last week in Salt Lake City.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work in the evening?

You work in a sandwich shop.  It is about 6pm when two man and a woman walk into the store.  One locks the front door, and the others pull out guns.  You see this from the back storage area and you push the door shut to keep them out. The female robber throws her body against the door to get to you.  The door opens a few inches.  You grab your firearm and shoot your attacker around the door.  The other robbers run. You and your co-worker call the police and medical personnel.  Neither of you are hurt.

 

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Las Vegas

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

You run your own store selling phones and accessories.  It is almost closing time and a strange man walks in.  You’ve seen him on the streets before.  The stranger doesn’t look up, but walks up to the counter and kicks in the glass on the display case.  You walk to the cash register and grab your gun.  The robber looks up and then turns away.  He walks out of your store with his hands in the air.  You don’t shoot.

You took a class last week.  You never had your finger on the trigger because the robber had not threatened your life.

 

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-  If you liked this show, please share it with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

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Episode 59 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 59 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do in their situation?

 

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 59 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

How have you been, Mister Branam?

Ben- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to exercise your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Our first story took place last week in Petersburg, Virginia.

First story-  Do you have a gun nearby when you are sleeping in your bedroom?  It’s late in the morning, and you’re lying in bed.  The first thing you hear is someone smashing in your front door.  A few minutes go by and then a man pushes into your bedroom with a mask over his face and a gun in his hand.  You roll out of bed and grab your purse.  You point your gun at the intruder and fire one shot.  He lurches to the side and runs out the door.  You call police.

Ben- The front door was locked.  That is good.

Rob-  The sound of the breaking door acted as an alarm.  Why didn’t the victim do something after they heard their door broken in?

Ben- They had a gun.  That’s good.  But they didn’t have a plan.

Rob- What should they have done?

Ben- I teach my students to lock the door, grab their gun and their phone and call police.

Rob- Good plan.

Ben- The homeowner did take action.  She moved when her bedroom door was opened.  I want our listeners to be ready before that happens.

Rob- It is hard to make a plan the first minute you wake up.

Ben- We act smart in the minute because we thought about the situation ahead of time.

Ben- Our second story took place last week in Lawton, Oklahoma.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home? This is scary.  You’re sleeping in your bed.  You wake up to find your ex-boyfriend standing at the food of the bed.  He’s holding a gun in his hand and threatens you.  You reach under your pillow and grab your handgun.  You point the gun at the intruder and press the trigger.  Then you roll out of bed and call the police.

Ben- It doesn’t say if her attacker fell down, or if he ran.  The first thing to do is to get to a safe place.  That might mean to lock the door and hide behind the bed.  It might mean to run to a neighbor’s house.

Rob- It would be great to think about that now and share your plan with your family.

Ben- Good on this lady for having a gun with her.

Rob- Did she out-draw her attacker?

Ben- That, or tactical patience.  That means she might have waited until she had an advantage.  Better yet, if she locked her front door, her bedroom door, and if she had an alarm.  If she had enough money for a gun then she had enough money for an alarm.

Ben- Our third story took place last week in Tacoma, Washington.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  You’re sleeping at home in your bed when you hear someone outside.  You grab your gun and investigate.  Someone broke into your porch.  You shout for them to leave.  The intruder breaks into your home.  You shoot him and call the police.  There were two other people in the home at the time. No one else in the house was injured.

Ben-  A third of us will be victims at some time.  This homeowner was prepared, but he needed a little more training.  When someone invites you to a fight, don’t.

Rob- Where should we put a gun when we sleep at night?

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in two weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

Episode 51 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 51 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 51 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

How have you been?

Ben- Hi, Rob. Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Ben- Our first story took place this month in Pennsylvania.

First story-  Are you armed at work late at night?  You’re a small Laotian woman.  Your three teenage girls are at home. But you, you manage a laundromat about 15 miles west of Philadelphia.   It is early in the morning and you are at work.  You have the night shift tonight..and every night, seven days a week.  You’re mopping the floor at this hour.  A man walks into your laundromat with his gun drawn.  You’ve been robbed at gunpoint before.  This robber pushes you back toward the back and demands money.  You don’t have any.  Then the robber tells you to strip off your clothes.  He pushes you into a back room.  This time you fight.  You grab his gun and fire.  He leans away from you for a moment and you run.  You don’t stop running until you reach the all-night convenience store across the street.  That is when you notice that you still have your attackers gun in your hand.  The convenience store employees call police.  They arrest your attacker a few blocks away.  His left arm is shattered.  He has a police record.

Ben- Good for her.   It would have been better if she had a gun of her own rather than having to take her attackers gun.  Philadelphia is anti-gun.  But this wasn’t in Philadelphia.  The victim could carry at work.

Rob- You can get a permit in most Pennsylvania counties. They cost some money, but you can get them.  

Ben- What bothers me is the cost.  Some counties make it expensive.  This woman was working hard to support her family by working seven days a week.  Maybe she couldn’t afford a class, and registration, and permits.

Rob- She fought hand to hand.

Ben- Our second story took place in Maryland.

Second Story- Are you armed at home?  You and your husband are at home this morning.  You live in a well to do rural neighborhood about 16 miles east of Washington, DC. You hear someone at your front door.  You turn around and a stranger is standing inside your home.  You ask him who he is, and then tell him to leave.  He doesn’t.  You yell, and then your husband comes toward the front of the house.  He pushed the intruder towards the front door.  The intruder pushes back.  They fight.  Your husband shoots the intruder once in the leg.  The intruder staggers, then grabs a metal bar and tries to attack your husband again.  Your husband shoots his attacker in the head.  The attacker runs from your home.

The attacker is arrested 300 feet from your home.  Police say your attacker is wanted for a number of break ins in the area.  There is a warrant waiting for him when your attacker is released from the hospital.

Ben- Some Maryland counties issue.  Some don’t.  The male homeowner used to work for the FBI, so maybe he was able to get a permit.  He was armed at home in any case.

Rob- It sounds like his wife wasn’t armed.

Ben- (teams vs single attacker)

Rob- This story is unusual in what it didn’t say.  It didn’t say the robber broke in and the homeowners were alerted by the sound.

Ben-  The door was unlocked.

Ben- Our third story took place in Philadelphia.

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Third story- Are you armed when you make deliveries late at night?  You have kids at home, and you’re trying to make ends meet.  You’re delivering pizza at 7 at night.  It is dark at that hour given the time of year.  You get out of your car and three strangers step from the shadows around the building in front of you.  One of them already has a gun pointed at you.  They demand your money and the pizza.  You drop the pizza and run.  You’re shot in the arm and the bullet then hits your hip and the gun in its holster.  You have your permit and are carrying legally.  You duck behind your car.  You make your arm work.  You’re able to draw your firearm.  Fortunately, your gun still works, and you shoot your armed attacker.  All three of them run.

You drive yourself to the hospital and ask the staff to call police.

Ben- Three on one.  They chose the time and place, so they have their guns out.

Rob- He moved, rather than present a standing target.

Ben- (movement)

They would have killed the driver for a couple of pizzas and the 80 dollars he had from his earlier deliveries.  These thugs don’t care about us.

Rob- They would commit murder for a few hours pay.  Do you talk about that to your students?  What is your student’s attitude toward their attackers?  Does their attitude change after the class?

Ben- Sometimes you have to see it to believe it.  I’ve seen it.  I saw it overseas.  We have selfish people here too.  They don’t think of us as human.  We’re insects to these bad people.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.  

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