Episode 109 with Tony Simon

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Tony Simon brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. What would you do in these situations?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 109 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Tony Simon as co-host.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working on getting the 2A4E podcast on iTunes, Anchor, Pocket Cast, Overcast and Radio Public. Finding sponsors for our Minuteman Challenge events.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Tony- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What would you in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Trinity, Alabama.  Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You hear your back door breaking at 2 in the morning. You and your roommate go to investigate. There is an armed stranger in your home. You tell him to get out and he attacks both of you with a knife. You’re cut, but you run and get your gun. You run back to the fight. You start shooting when your roommate gets clear of his attacker.

You call police and ask for medical transport. You and your roommate go to the hospital to have your wounds treated. Your attacker is taken to the morgue. Only three days ago, your attacker was charged with assault, kidnapping and domestic abuse after he attacked his girlfriend.

Rob- What do you see, Tony?

Tony-  The door was locked and the intruder had to make noise breaking into the home. That alerted the residents that there was a problem. Too many people don’t lock their doors because they live in a “good “ neighborhood. Securing your door gives you time to react when a bad guy attempts to get into your home. Good locks, a solid door and a sturdy door frame means your home is harder to crack.

Rob- How much does it cost to buy myself another 30 seconds during a breakin?

Tony- The two roommates went to investigate what they obviously thought could have been a break in. “Plan for the worst and hope for the best.” isn’t just a old saying, it’s good advice. Take your defensive tool with you, in this case they should’ve taken the firearm with them. If it was a false alarm then walking around armed wouldn’t have been a big deal. Having to fight off a knife wielding bad guy is a big deal.

Rob- What about a flashlight?

Tony- Too many people feel a knife isn’t as deadly as a firearm and it’s “unfair” to shoot someone that’s only armed with a knife. A knife is a deadly close combat weapon that you don’t have to be very skilled with to be deadly, it’s as dangerous as a gun at close distances and it doesn’t jam or run out of bullets. When armed with a gun against a knife wielding attacker distance is your ally. If you can move behind something and create distance it’s going to be advantageous for you. A bad guy that has to run around furniture and down a hallway to stab you has a much higher risk of being shot multiple times than a bad guy that only has to take a couple of steps to stab you.

Our second story happened last week in Gainesville, Florida.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you walk home from the movies?

Your family is coming home from a late movie. While the car is parked, a stranger walks up and presents a gun. The robber demands your money and your car. The story isn’t clear if you got out of the car, but you shot the robber several times. The robber ran to a waiting car. The robber and his accomplis drove away and they crashed a few blocks away. The accomplice fled and the attacker died. Police recovered the attacker’s gun at the scene of the crime. Family members blame the robbery victims for the attacker’s injuries.

Tony, what should we do if a group of us are attacked?

Tony-  If your family or usual circle of friends know you carry concealed you need to tell them to not “out “ you as the “good guy with a gun”. You may or may not choose to use your firearm during an armed encounter. You may be able to de-escalate the situation, distract the bad guys or other options.

Tony- This bad guy was shot multiple times with a handgun and he ran away. Handgun wounds usually make people stop what they are doing and run away. Defenders need to be prepared to shoot until the bad guys stop attacking and then stop shooting as soon as they aren’t a threat.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you leave McDonald’s with your child?

It is the middle of the afternoon. You are walking out of the restaurant with your infant in your arms. Four men get out of their car and attack you. You defend yourself. You draw a gun and shoot your attackers. They drive away. All four were arrested for aggravated robbery. One of the robbers was charged for being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Tony-  This is a nightmare that no parent wants to face. Having to use a firearm while holding your child and facing multiple attackers. This requires skills that few people ever practice because they can’t imagine it happening.

Tony- As a armed parents this is a scenario that should be viewed as a possibility. Melody Lauer of Citizens Defense Research is one of the few instructors that teaches how to handle this exact scenario in her class “Contextual Handgun: The Armed Parent“.

Rob- I’ll put a link in the show notes.

Tony- Learning to shoot and move while hitting your target is important as is learning to fire accurately using one hand. These are skills that need to be practiced to become competent doing as an armed citizen.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- My website is Diversityshoot.com You can find me on Instagram and facebook at Simon Says Train and The 2nd is For Everyone.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 102 with Tony Simon

Can you defend yourself at home? Firearms instructor Tony Simon brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves and those they love. (12 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 102 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Tony Simon as co-host this week.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve designed a $10  2nd Amendment Rally Tee shirt that can be used at 2A rallies across the country.

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Rob- After that introduction, please explain our podcast to our new listeners.

Tony- Each week we study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Our first story took place last week in Jacksonville, Florida.  Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’re at home in your apartment around noon. You answer the knock at your door. Two men push their way inside. One of them has a gun. You back away and run upstairs. Your attackers follow you. You draw yours and fire. Both men run. They jump out the upstairs window. You call police. The police arrest one wounded robber a few blocks away.

Tony- Don’t open the door. It isn’t rude to talk to strangers through a door. Your door is the final layer of perimeter security keeping people outside of your home. This homeowner had to get into a foot race with two home intruders.

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Rob- What did our homeowner do correctly?

Tony- He didn’t give up. He backed up and that bought him time.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Washington County, Oregon.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed at home?   

You’re at home on a friday morning. You hear someone in your home. That doesn’t make sense, so you go look what’s happening. A man is standing in your kitchen. You yell at him. He grabs a knife from the kitchen counter. You draw your firearm and tell him to drop the knife and not move. You grab your phone and call police. You also take a picture of the robber. He runs, but is picked up the next day by police.

Tony- Please lock your doors. That makes most thieves go away. Your locked door also gives you more time to react.

Having your self defense tool on your body gives you options and opportunity that an unarmed defender won’t have. You have a purpose made tool for defensive use so you don’t have to search for an improvised weapon.

Tony- Let the thugs go..but I have to give our homeowner style points for taking a photograph.

Rob- Let the second home owner take a photo once he’s off the phone with police.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Fulton County, Georgia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home?

Your mom came by to take your son to the doctors. You are inside your house and your mom has your son loaded into the car. You hear your mom scream. You’re armed and you go outside to see what is happening. An armed man is pointing a gun at your mom. You shoot him several times. He runs to the waiting car and drives away. You check on your son, and then call police.

Tony- How long does it take to go to your back closet, get your gun, get your ammunition, load your magazine, put the loaded magazine into your gun, rack the slide and run to the front of the house.

Rob- too long.

Tony- exactly. Have a loaded gun on you because you won’t have time for anything else.

Rob- This isn’t as simple as it sounds. I have to defend my mom and my son while a robber and kidnapper is standing next to them.

Tony- We can practice being both fast and accurate. Go to the range and shoot a man sized target at 5 yards, and on out to 20 yards. The easy part is to notice how long it takes you to make those hits at the range. Then you have to give yourself the time you need even though your mom is facing a gun. That is the hard part.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- My website is DiversityShoot.com

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 95 with Tony Simon

Instructor Tony Simon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (18 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 95 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who already have one and want to know how to use it.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Tony Simon with us as co-host this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been at home sick. I’ve been getting our training schedule and the Diversity Shoot schedule ready for 2018. And building “Rob’s Rifle“ a AR15 especially dedicated to introducing new shooters to the rifle at our events.

Rob- Tony, please introduce our podcast.

Tony- Each week we study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Our first story took place last week in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story- Are you armed at home?

You are at home with your family. You’ve cleaned up after dinner. You hear your son shout. He says a stranger just came in and walked upstairs. You believe him. You say hide, and the kids scatter. You dash upstairs and get your gun. Then, you go door to door looking for someone who doesn’t belong here. You find him in your daughter’s room. The stranger took his clothes off. You order him to show his hands. His hands are empty. You order him to lie down and he complies. Your wife calls police. They arrive in minutes.

Police say the man has mental problems and had broken into several other homes.

Tony, what can we learn from this?

Tony- This is every parents nightmare. Good that he was armed with the mindset and tools to defend his home.

Rob- What would happen if dad didn’t have a gun?

Tony- Dad would have had to defend himself with his bare hands or a random item that he picked up as he searched his home for an intruder. That’s a horrible self-defense plan. He and his family seemed to have had a plan that was realistic. During the day his family was scattered throughout the home. The plan that you have for a midnight break in, when your entire family is in one part of the home, can’t be the same plan as when they’re in multiple areas.

Rob- So Dad had to go door to door to find the bad guy.

Tony- I think his son told him that the intruder went into his sister’s room.  There are a few things the family could have done better.

Rob- Tell me what do you see.

Tony-  Develop a culture of safety and security in your home. That starts with locking your doors. Many families have fire extinguishers that everyone knows how to use.  Some even practice fire drills. Locking the doors is the easiest step in keeping out unwanted guest. It may be a pain to have to keep unlocking the door with kids running around but imagine what could have happened if no one saw the stranger enter the home. He was nude and in the daughter’s room.

Rob- I think you’re right.

Tony- Also, POGO (Pants On, Gun On). Keeping your firearm on you should be a part of your security plan.  Here’s statistical data that’s easy to remember 100% of home invasions take place inside the home. Everyone chuckles when I  say that in classes but it is an obvious fact. There may not be a warning that a bad guy has entered your home. In this case dad would have to choose to leave his family with a dangerous naked man to go to get his firearm or stay and fight a naked man. I work in prison, even trained officers don’t want to fight the naked guy.

Rob- So dad was lucky.

Tony- Dad did a lot of the right things. We can learn from him and do even better.

Rob- Lots of people got guns for Christmas. Many of them made a new year’s resolution to learn self-defense. Talk to me about living with kids and guns in the same house.

Tony- Your self-defense guns should be loaded and on your body. If they are not on your body they should be secured in a quick access safe, secured in Concealment Furniture or secured so they can’t be picked up.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Amarillo, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

You’re the assistant manager at a small restaurant. It is late at night, but not that late. You’re usually open until 1AM. You hear one of your cooks shout from the back of the kitchen. You peak in and expect to deliver the usual lecture about horseplay. Instead, you see two strangers. One of them has ahold of one of your young cooks, and the second stranger is coming through the back doorway. They have a gun pointed at your cook. You’re armed. You shoot twice. The attacker lets go of your cook, but still has his gun. You shoot again. The robber drops his gun and falls to the floor. You look for the second robber, but he’s gone out the back door the way he came.

Tony- Not only did our good guy have a gun, he had it exactly when, where he needed it and had the skills needed to end a hostage situation.

Rob- So he carried. It wasn’t in the back office or on top of the safe.

Tony- Yes he carried and most likely he practiced.

Rob- Tell me more.

Tony- Many people hear this story and think it’s simple. See bad guy. Shoot bad guy. End of scenario. Not true at all. First the manager got his carry permit then carried the firearm on his person at all times. He truly believed that he needed to carry his life saving tool on him. I’m assuming that he got more training than a carry class because of how he handled himself. He heard “a shout” from the kitchen, that could have been anything, a hot pan burning someone or horseplay. He walked in the room to two bad guys and a hostage situation. He recognized that this was a life threatening situation, not a practical joke or a YouTube video. Drew from concealment, shot the bad guy,  accessed the situation, saw the bad guy was still was a threat and shot him some more.

Rob- that is a lot to think about.

Tony- Yes and it takes forethought and practice to be able to take in information, process that information, determine your course of action then perform that action. Along with  follow-up action if necessary.

Rob- And our manager did all that?

Tony- He did it like a champ. He shot an armed person that was holding another person hostage in a crowded kitchen. This wasn’t a range day or a class. This was his job. He had to snap into the correct mindset immediately.

Rob- That is what you teach your students?

Tony-  We teach using the crawl – walk- run method. After you leave class it’s up to them to practice what they learned. Dry fire practice and regular range practice helps develop the skills used by the manager.

Rob- Like driving a car or riding a bicycle. You practice until it becomes an unconscious reflex.

Tony- Exactly.

Rob- Let’s go on.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Jefferson, West Virginia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re around your home?  

You are 82 years old and you’re working in your garage. You hear a crash behind you. A young stranger broke through your garage window. He shouts at you to give him your keys and your wallet. You step back. You’re armed. Your attacker steps toward you. You draw your gun and fire. Now the attacker stops. You step into your house and call the police.

Tony-  A 24 year old man shouldn’t have a problem taking anything he wants from any 82 year old.  Colt firearms had an advertisement for the Colt Peacemaker in the 1870’s “God created all men, Colonel Colt made them equal”. An armed victim isn’t a  victim for long.

Rob- Why would an 82 year old man go armed in his garage early in the morning?

Tony- Because 100% of home invasions take place inside the home. By 82 most people have a good read on what they can and can’t do. Fighting off bad guys by hand is one of those things that will be on my “don’t do” list well before I’m 82.

Rob- Your garage early in the morning isn’t some place dangerous.

Tony- It was this morning.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train. My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram and at The Second is for Everyone.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Our number of downloads dropped over the hollicays, so please share this podcast with a friend. Leave us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 88 with Tony Simon

Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 88 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  We are scheduling our Training for 2018 including a once a quarter Safety/ Preparadness conference. Our last 2nd is for everyone : Diversity Shoot on Thursday night. Minuteman challenge Championship was a great success. Our sponsors CNJFO provided good and Modern Materiel provided AR15s.

Rob- Tony, please introduce our show.

Tony- Each week we talk about three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Baltimore, Maryland. Rob, tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are a 62 year old man. You’re at home in your apartment at 9 in the evening. You hear a crash as a strange man breaks through your front door. He has a knife and demands your money and wallet. You say it is right over here. You take your gun from a bedroom drawer and shoot your attacker once. The intruder runs.  You call police.

Tony- Having a gun in a knife fight is better than having fist in a knife fight. The gun turns the fight into a shooting.

Tony- Luck allowed him to get to his handgun.

Rob- How was our defender lucky?

Tony-  The defender was lucky that he was able you get to his firearm. He was also lucky that the bad guy ran away instead of continuing to attack him with the knife.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this situation?

Tony- A knife is as much or more of a threat than a gun, Knives don’t run out of bullets or jam. A firearm is a distance weapon. Don’t give up the advantage of distance.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at your mother’s house?   

You’re 29 years old. You’re helping your mom pack her things. Your mom is moving and your uncle doesn’t like it. Your uncle threatens your mom with a knife. She pushes him away, and he cuts her. You step between them. Now,  your uncle stabs you. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker. Now he steps back.  So do you and the rest of your family.

Your family call the police, and the EMTs.

Tony- Again with the knives. I’m glad the son was armed but he still ended up in the hospital.

Rob- Yep. Does an attacker with a knife have to be advancing toward you to be a lethal threat?

Tony- Knives are not a joke. Training with knives, you learn quickly that in a knife versus knife fight both parties are getting cut. Blades are lethal they have killed more people than handguns, they’ve been doing it longer.

Rob- presentation

Tony- How did the bad guy get so close to the victim? They were family. Your family members are just as deadly as strangers. The bad guy had already cut the victim’s mother and  grandmother.  The victim didn’t use his gun as a distance weapon,  he got close and in between the bad guy and his mom. That got him stabbed.

Rob- close quarters

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Denton, Texas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving?  

You get a call from your step daughter. She already called police after her roommate stole her prescription medications. The roommate then ran over a stranger in the parking lot outside their apartment.

You arrive and you are armed. You help your step daugher back into her apartment. The roommate returns as well. He is carrying a hammer this time, and you tell him to stop where he is. He is yelling curses at you as he advances. You draw your handgun and again you tell the attacker to stop.  This time, he does. He runs away.  You call the police. The attacker is arrested and charged with assault causing bodily injury and for deadly conduct.

Tony- Good thing he had a gun. He took a drug addict seriously and carried his gun with him. P.O.G.O.

Tony- He was able to stop the attack with a firearm and a command presence. Having a gun may not be enough, at times you must give commands that will be followed.

Tony- Drug addiction makes people excellent liars. Having a witness to their criminal activity helps your case. Be the first one to the phone. Tell your story before someone paints you as a bad guy.

Rob- Is a man with a hammer a threat?

Tony-  A hammer is a lethal threat. It’s an impact weapon and is deadly. Thor carried one! LOL.  Hammers have been used as  combat weapon before and they are still deadly.

Tony- Our good guy didn’t chase the bad guy. He didn’t forget that his job is to protect his family not to punish bad guys.

Rob- Where would your students learn to present a firearm that is concealed under their clothes?

Tony- During our introduction to defensive pistol we have students practice drawing from concealment. We introduce the timer to add distress to the exercises along with having to be accurate.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony- http://diversityshoot.com/

I also teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or atThe Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 83 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 83. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 83 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Tony Simon joins us this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  How have I been? Teaching new students. Diversity shoot. Minuteman Challenge.

Each week we report three examples of armed civilian defense.  Please use our discussion as part of your personal self-defense exercise program. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Moline, Illinois.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re shopping?

You’re a grandmother with three children and 11 grandchildren. You’re here in Illinois visiting family. You pull into a parking place at the Southpark Mall. You see a man waiting at a bus stop nearby. You’re getting out of your truck when the man is suddenly next to you. He has a knife and is threatening you. You kick him in the chest.  He cuts your arm. He climbs into the truck and drags you behind him. The armed stranger tells you to drive south of town. You stop your truck where he tells you. He is distracted for a moment and drops his knife. You use that moment to grab your gun from the center console. You climb out of the truck and point the gun at your attacker. Your attacker runs away. You drive yourself to the local hospital. The doctors need 23 stitches to sew up your arm.

The police find and arrest your attacker. He is in jail facing a half million dollar bail.

Tony- A car isn’t a holster. This grandma was visiting her family in Illinois from her home in Missouri. She had a Missouri carry permit but didn’t have a Illinois carry permit because she didn’t live there. Illinois doesn’t have reciprocity with its neighboring state  so she was restricted to having to keep her firearm in her vehicle. Due to ridiculous laws put in place by politicians she has no way to legally carry in Illinois if she doesn’t live in Illinois. Sadly in New Jersey she wouldn’t have been allowed to have her handgun loaded or in the passenger compartment of her vehicle.

Rob- Lack of reciprocity disarmed a law abiding grandmother, and almost cost her her life.

Tony- These laws just make victims of honest people. I’m no lawyer but I think it may have been illegal for the bad guy to attack her with a knife. It’s important that you know the laws in the states that you visit when it comes to armed self defense.

Rob- What did our defender do to save herself?

Tony- She didn’t give up. She didn’t panic, she kept her wits about her even after she was cut. She waited until she had a chance and then she defended herself.

Rob- anything else?

Tony- Once she was armed and out of the car, she had the bad guy at gun point and he ran away. She didn’t shoot him or chase him,  she jumped in her vehicle and got herself to the hospital. Once your life is no longer in danger you have to shift gears into get help mode. She did a good job.  

Rob- This is typical in that the defender did not have to use her weapon. Kidnapping is unusual.

Tony- It is usually bad when you are forced to go with a bad guy. They are moving you to a place where is more advantageous for them to victimize you further. If you can you have to fight hard where you are because they mean to do you harm when they take you somewhere secluded.

Rob- You talk about that with your students?

Tony- We talk about being aware of your surroundings. She saw the bad guy at the bus stop before he approached her but she didn’t pay any attention to him. When he appeared next to her with a knife out was the next time she saw him. I tell students to pay attention in transitional places like parking lots. We are usually not focused on threats in those areas and we should be. Keep your doors locked and windows up until you look around and assess the area.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Detroit.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you walk down the street with your cousin?

It is the middle of the day. You and your cousin are walking past a green light store. Crime is so bad in Detroit, that they designate certain stores and gas stations with a green colored light. Those stores have high definition cameras that run directly to the police station. The two of you walk past another man when the stranger draws a gun from his pocket and points it at you. You are closest, so you knock the gun out of the way.  You draw your gun as you step past your attacker.  You continue to move as you shoot him several times. You and your cousin run away. You were not shot, but your unarmed cousin and the robber were. EMT take both of them to the hospital.

Tony- There was no time to think about what to do. You only had time to do it. Action beats reaction and even though our good guy was behind the curve he was able to get his gun out and on target without getting shot.

Rob- Physical contact with the attacker. Drawing and shooting on the move. That is a sophisticated response.

Tony- It’s a lot to do at one time. If you practice those skills and take some type of situational training it cuts down on your reaction time to a threat. You would have wargamed confrontations like this and have had a predetermined plan.

Rob- In our first story, the defender had a gun in her car. This time the defender had a gun on him, and he needed it. I watched the video, and there was no place to hide from the attacker during the gunfight.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Fayetteville, Arkansas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re standing in your driveway on a Friday afternoon. A man runs up to you.  He is wearing a mask and carrying a gun. He orders you into your home. Once inside, he grabs your wife and demands that you give him your money. You say you don’t have a lot. He tells you to drive to the ATM and get more cash. He walks behind you as you go back to the driveway and get into your car. Your wife is sitting beside you and the kidnapper sits behind you. At one point, the kidnapper starts yelling and seems distracted.  You grab the gun out of the center console of your car. Your kidnapper attacks you, and starts biting your arm. You shoot him and throw him out of your car. You drive yourself to the hospital to have your bite marks cleaned and stitched. The kidnapper is arrested by police. He is taken to the hospital in critical condition.

Tony-  The car is not a holster. Arkansas is a constitutional carry state. Our good guy went through the expense of buying a gun and he wasn’t carrying it on himself. Due to him not having his firearm available he wasn’t able to stop his wife from being dragged into this deadly situation.

Rob- The story would have been so different if both victims were armed.

Tony- If both victims had been armed this entire incident may have ended on the front lawn. Having a firearm for emergencies means having it available for use quickly. Your car is not a holster and it’s not a gun safe.

It’s important for husbands and wives to work out self-defense plans. Team tactics really turn the tables on bad guys quickly. They never expect to have two trained “victims “.    Fayetteville is near the border of Missouri and Oklahoma.  The corner of Kansas is less than an hour away too.  Arkansas is a shall issue state.

Rob- That is what our homeowners could have done better. What did they do correctly?

Tony- Waited until he had an advantage. If you are going to have a firearm on your car don’t leave it there when you get out. Put it in your holster and take it into your home at night.

Rob- He stayed in the fight while his attacker was chewing on him.

Tony- When you get a permit, get one for both of you, both the husband and wife.  I bet they have theirs now.  We can learn from them without having to experience this ourselves.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 78 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 78. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 78 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy planning Diversity Shoots in New Jersey, volunteering at NRA Range Day as a shotgun instructor and introducing a new shooting event, The Minuteman Challenge.

Rob- I know you’ve been to the range to get in some practice of your own.

Tony- I started a Minute Man League.

Rob-  I went to the range and got in some life fire presentations.

Tony- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you exercise your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Elyria, Ohio.

Rob- First Story- Are you armed at home?   

You’re at home with two of your teenage daughters.  It is after dark on a weekday.  Your older daughter screams when she sees a stranger enter the home and stand next to your younger daugher.  There is something about that scream.  You grab your gun and run towards that area of the house.  You see your oldest daughter chasing a stranger.  You follow them out the front door and call your daughter back inside.  Then you try to call the police.  You have to catch your breath first..and to put away your gun.

Tony- Another reason to carry in a holster, Pants On Gun On. She heard the scream that told her immediately she needed to protect her family. There is very little time to come up with a plan during an emergency. Implementing the plan that you have may be all that you can do to save a life.

Rob-  So you’ll run with what you know?

Tony- Yep.  She got that right.

Rob- What should our listeners do better?

Tony- She followed the bad guy out of the house and pursued him after he was no longer a threat. Try not to do that, it could get you hurt or worse if he has accomplices outside that you are unaware of or he decides to fight you because you won’t let him get away.

Rob-  Our armed mom chased her 17 year old daughter outside.  Sounds like you should share your plans with your family.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Orlando, Florida.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed when you cut the grass?

You are mowing the lawn for one of your customers.  You maintain several houses in the area.  Three men stop their car as they drive by after noon.  They git out of their vehicle.  They walk up to you, and one of the strangers has a gun drawn.  You’re being robbed.  They demand your wallet, your phone, and your keys.  You present your firearm and shoot at the gunman nearest you.  All three men run.  Two of them drive away.  One runs through the neighborhood.  You and the neighbors call police.  None of the men show up at the hospital for treatment.

Tony- He was ambushed by multiple armed attackers and was correct in defending his life. Some people would say that he should give them whatever they want and they will go away. That theory has you depending on receiving mercy from the merciless and it could cost you your life without a struggle.

Rob- He was wearing a gun in the the rain and heat and sun of central Florida in the summer time.

Tony- He was wearing a gun while doing something as mundane as cutting the grass in the suburbs. There are no “safe places or times”, bad guys don’t have hours of operation or fixed locations. They are open 24/7 at a location near you.

Rob- Makes my excuses for not carrying look pretty pale.

Tony- You have no idea why someone will pick you but you should have the equipment, will and attitude to defend yourself.

Rob-  What would you tell your students to do in such a situation?

Tony- Shoot, move, call the police.  It sounds like our good guy did that.

Rob- Where can your students learn and practice shooting, moving, and calling the police?

Rob- Is there more?

Tony- Nope that does it?

Rob- Where are we headed next?

Tony- We’re headed back home to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Rob- but first this message.

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Rob- Third story- Do you have a gun nearby when you’re sleeping at home?  

You’re sleeping at home with your wife and two children.  You hear something that sounds like an animal clawing at the house.  You wake up your wife.  It doesn’t sound right, so she calls the police while you grab your gun and check on the kids.  Now you hear the sound coming from the back of the house.  You see someone outside.  As you approach your back door, you see that the stranger has a gun in his hand.

You shoot and the burglar runs away.  Police find two guns outside and are looking for the burglar’s accomplice.

Tony-  Know what you know without caring about how you know.

Rob- Say that again?

Tony- We talk ourselves into trouble.  I’m never robbed, so that sound can’t be someone breaking into my house.  Yes, it can.  Get out of bed, get your gun, call the police, and get your children.

Rob- It wasn’t a dream, or if it was, call the police anyway.

Tony- Exactly.  They get called for strange sounds every day.  It is their job.

This was also a textbook reason for Pajamas on Gun On. The bad guy was in the door with a gun in his hand. There were no timeouts left on the clock. It was go time, no formulating a plan, no time to practice your favorite range drill.

Rob- We won’t have a warning and time to warm up.

Tony- You must have knowledge of your defensive skills. Can you operate your gun, can you shoot your gun accurately without several practice shots. Does your gun even work? Does you defensive ammo have a track record of being a fight stopper or is it a new ammo that has lots of cool advertising online and in magazines but no history of use by LEO or armed citizens.

Tony- All of the stories in this week’s episode were about civilians that had their self defense firearm on their person or beside them when it was needed. POGO Pants On, Gun On shouldn’t be a cute saying that your favorite self defense podcasts use, it should be your self defense strategy.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 73 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 73. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 73 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

 

Tony- Hi, Rob.  We had the diversity shoot last week.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Marietta, Georgia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It’s a few hours after midnight when someone knocks at your door.  He asks to speak to your husband.  You say your husband isn’t home.  That is when the intruder pushes his way through your front door.  You yell for him to leave, but he doesn’t.  You step back toward your bedroom and grab your gun.  Your three children are in the back of the house so you move toward the intruder.  You shoot him.  He moves back toward the front door, the way he came.  You retreat and call police.

Your husband arrives a few minutes later..as do the police.

Tony- She did what needed to be done to save her children from being hurt by a threat in her home. She shot the bad guy, called the police and she isn’t going to be charged with a crime because she was able to articulate the threat that she faced to the police.

Rob- It isn’t unusual to be attacked in your own home.  She must have thought about defending her family before it happened in order to react so quickly.

Tony- Have a plan on how you will handle an emergency, be it a fire, a car accident or a home defense situation. Have that plan before the it happens.  That will cut down on the time it takes for you to start solving that problem.

Rob- Where do your students learn about this?

Tony- We teach having a plan in all of our classes from beginner class to our more advanced classes. I want students to leave any level of instruction knowing how to operate their firearm and to know they must be mentally prepared to use their firearm defensively if they need to.

Rob- What would your students do in this situation?

Tony- Any question from a stranger in the middle of the night can be answered through a locked door. These people were looking for her husband, her husband wasn’t home, she could tell them that through the door and not have compromised her security. If someone is knocking on your door after midnight you should have a means of protecting yourself from what might be on the other side. P.O.G.O. Pajamas On Gun On.

Rob- I’m imagining how slowly I think in the middle of the night.  We need a plan because we won’t be thinking clearly if someone knocks on our door in the middle of the night.  Our plan is to be armed and have our phone, turn on the outside lights, and talk to our visitor through the locked door.  There are some new camera doorbells that will let us talk to a visitor from our cell phone.

Tony- Now that is a plan.  Our second story happened last week in Waco, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work in the evening?

You work at a smoke shop and it’s almost midnight.  A customer walks in wearing a ski mask.  It is the middle of the summer, so that is a clue.  The robber also has a gun in his hand and demands your money.  You draw your firearm and shoot the robber several times.  The rubber runs, and no one else in the store is injured.

You call the police.

Tony- An easier example of a self defense shooting is hard to find. It like a Hollywood script. A bad guy enters wearing a ski mask and carrying a gun, at midnight, in Waco TX. in July. The criminal walks in looking like every bad guy target in every gun range in the country!

Rob- Are some of your students store clerks and business owners?

Tony- We have had students from many different walks of life. Students have been tradesmen, law enforcement, military, doctors and lawyers.

Rob- So you teach them how to “interview” a customer?

Tony- We tell people that they must pay attention to people and pick up on visual cues that people give off. Everyone has this ability but polite society has helped dull that ability by convincing people to be politically correct. It’s ok to look at someone and think “ He doesn’t look “right”, something isn’t right with him” and you move away from them.  You’re avoiding confrontation.  You’re giving yourself time to think and to start planning how you may have to handle contact with this person. This bad guy made it very easy to determine his intentions.

Rob- What should one of your students have done in this situation?

Tony- Move to the side.  Move behind cover or concealment if possible, draw and fire at the bad guy until he stops or goes away. Reload, lock the door, call the police.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed in your car?  

You’re a 72 year old man.  A young woman you know from the neighborhood asks you for a ride to her apartment to pick up some clothes.  You give her a ride, and as she asks you to stop the car, two men come out from behind the building.  One of these two men has a gun.  They demand your wallet.  They hit you in the head.  You grab your gun and shoot the closest attacker.

Both men run to a waiting car and drive away.

You call police.  It turns out your passenger has a long criminal record, as do her two accomplices.

Tony- The senior citizen brought his “A” game to a fight for his life. He was attacked but he had an option the bad guys didn’t expect. He used his firearm effectively against multiple attackers and won the fight for his life.

Rob- I think this robbery happened in broad daylight.  That is another reason to be off-guard.

Tony- Safety and security are feelings not facts. There is no completely safe place and no there is no safe time. Bad guys don’t have set working hours, they work 7 days a week 24 hours a day.  Oh and DON’T GIVE STRANGERS RIDES!

Rob-  The news story says the victim was agitated after the attack.

Tony- That is normal. He was physically attacked by two men after giving a lady a ride. He had to use his firearm to stop a disparity of force attack that could have cost him his life. The shock of being attacked and the adrenaline dump after the fight could cause people to faint, have heart attacks or other health issues.

Rob- What would you want your students to do it this situation.

Tony- Hopefully my students won’t put themselves in that situation but if they did they would have their windows up and doors locked if the car was moving. They should carry their firearm on them because it has to be within reach to be useful.

Rob- I’ve fired a gun from inside a vehicle.  The noise will surprise you.

Tony- Firing a gun inside an enclosure without ear protection is disconcerting to say the least. You must fight when your life depends on it and everything else becomes secondary.

Rob- What else did this man do right?

Tony- He was surprised, outnumbered and injured.  He didn’t give up.  He got his gun.  He pointed it at the attacker that was the greatest threat.  He pulled the trigger until the threat stopped.  He looked for other threats.  Then, and this is important too, the intended victim stopped shooting when the threats went away.

Rob- And your students learn to do that?

Tony- My students learn and PRACTICE that with me.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 70 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 70. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you react in their situation? (15:30 )

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 70 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?  I heard you on Lock and Load Radio.

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy getting the word out about our tee shirts that we are selling to raise funds for The 2nd is For Everyone: Diversity Shoots, getting classes ready for students and writing a new curriculum for a Home Hardening class that I am going to teach.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work in the afternoon?

You work in a convenience store.  A man comes in, grabs two beers, and heads to the door.  You shout for him to come to the counter and pay.  He shouts back that you can’t stop him.  He reaches for his waistband and tells you to stay where your are.  You think he has a gun.  He starts to turn toward you.  You draw and fire your sidearm.  The robber runs, but collapses outside.  You call police.  You know the drill.  The store has been robbed before.

Tony- This bad guy pretended that he had a gun to intimidate the victim. As Mas Ayoob says the attacker suffered a failure in his victim selection process. He got shot by an armed “victim”.

Tony- We here at the podcast always say that you need a plan when it comes to armed self defense. Once the bad guy has stated he intends to use deadly force, acts like he has a means to carry out that intent and advances on you as if he is going to harm you then you must use that plan without hesitation.

You must go with 100% effort to save your life. If he ends up not having a gun, like this thief, that is his fault that he got shot.The time it takes you to figure out if he was “serious” could cost you your life.

Tony- Like our first story, our second story also happened in Memphis, Tennessee

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed at home late at night?

You worked late and then ran some errands on the way home.  You live in a gated apartment complex.  You let yourself through the gate and drive to your parking place.  You get out of your car and grab your bags.  A man comes running at you out of the darkness.  He grabs your computer bag and your purse.  The strap is over your shoulder.  You hang on and scream for your boyfriend.  He comes running out of your apartment and tackles your attacker.  Your Ruger pistol falls out of your purse.  Now the three of you are scrambling to grab it.  You win, and shoot your attacker twice in the chest.  You and your boyfriend stand up and reach for your phones.

The police charged your attacker with aggravated assault and criminal attempted felony.  You go to the hospital for scrapes and cuts.

Tony- Security is a feeling, you must be aware of what is happening around you. Gated communities are not safe.  They may be less dangerous than a convenience store parking lot at 1 am but they are not safe.

On body carry is much better than carrying your firearm in your bag or purse. Your bag is the most likely target of the thief. When he grabs you by your bag he has all of the leverage and you end up holding onto the strap and getting dragged along for the ride.

Tony- I’ve followed people into secured office buildings and have had them hold the door open for me and give me directions to offices inside the building. Never assume you are completely safe because getting into your building requires a key fob.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Lumberton, North Carolina.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work very early in the morning?  

You’re working very late.  The front of your store is closed, and you’re sitting in the back of your store repairing your customer’s cell phones.  You hear a loud crash and the entire building shakes.  Five young men smashed their way into your store through the front windows and doors.  You grab your shotgun and walk out of the back of the store.  The robbers turn and run..except for one of them.  He keeps coming toward you.  You press the trigger and the thug drops to the ground.

You call police.  Unfortunately, the police take your shotgun as evidence.  Fortunately, you have another one.

Tony-  The victim was a 66 year old man and the attacker was a teen that had multiple partners breaking into his business.

Rob- Disparity of force.

Tony- Fighting off multiple attackers, alone, at night, isn’t something that comes easily. Especially if those attackers are determined to hurt you. Being able to operate your gun, move, hit multiple moving targets and keeping your gun loaded and in the fight isn’t something that you “figure out” during a fight. Taking defensive firearms training teaches you what you don’t know about armed self defense, your self, your firearm and your self-defense plan.

Rob- This man saved his own life, but his attackers could have overwhelmed him.

Tony- This was multiple people breaking in and attempting to steal as much as they can carry. If it came to a fight they were not going to “fight fair”. Criminals aren’t stupid.  They don’t want a fair fight. Neither should you, take the time to train to be a winner during a life or death confrontation.

Rob- So where do we learn?

Tony- Most ranges won’t allow you shoot at multiple targets, they won’t allow you to rapid fire, they won’t allow you to turn off the lights and they won’t allow you to move while you shoot. Going to a class on a range that is set up for this type of training is what we need to look for and where we learn these skills.

Rob- that sounds important.

Tony- It is, but first you have to know how to operate your firearm. One of the problems that I see most often in class and at the range is that some people don’t know how their gun operates on a instinctive level. You need to have intimate knowledge of the operation of your self defense firearm, that means taking it to the range and using it at least monthly not sitting it in the corner and letting it collect dust until you need it. One of my suggestions on how to get good operating your firearm is to take up a shooting sport ,at  a local range, using your self defense gun or the same type of gun as your self-defense gun. Shooting in a weekly event is fun. You will meet new people and learn to shoot under the stress of competition. Adding the stress in a non life threatening way allows you to see how you operate and learn what you need to work on.

Rob- The victim probably didn’t see the muzzle of his gun as he aimed it.

Tony- The victim most likely was looking at the threat not the front sight.  Once you have those basic skills at the unconscious level you will be better equipped to defend yourself.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony- Our listeners can find me at Simon Says Train on Facebook and also at SimonSaysTrain Instagram and the 2nd is For Everyone on Facebook. For a limited time we are selling a tee shirt to raise funds for our 2nd Amendment workshop, The 2nd is For Everyone: Diversity Shoot, on our website DiversityShoot.com stop by to see what we are about, make a donation or buy a shirt.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We share this podcast with you for free, and ask that you share it with a friend.  Please give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 65 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 65 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do in their situation? (17 minutes )

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 65 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  How have I been? I had ‘The Second is for Everyone’ diversity shoot a few days ago.  About 50 people came.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Selma, Alabama.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?  You and your wife arrive home just before midnight.  You park in your driveway and start to get out of your car.  A man runs out of the darkness and says, “give it up.”  He has a gun pointed at you.  You’re on the driver’s side and you reach for your gun.  The attacker shoots you, and then he runs toward the passenger side of the car.  You shoot him as he grabs your wife’s purse.  Then you call police.

You’re released from the hospital in a few hours.  Your attacker was a convicted felon.

Tony- Felons don’t obey gun laws so this guy got a gun and committed another armed robbery. You don’t know when you will become a victim of violent crime so follow the “Pants on-Gun on” motto

Rob- so what should we do?

Tony- Let’s put motion sensor lights on the house so the driveway lights up when you come home. Cut back bushes and shrubs from your house. If the bad guy doesn’t have the cover of darkness or a hiding place he has no location from which to launch an ambush. Bad guys won’t likely stand in the middle of a empty, well lit lawn.

Rob- I see.  It is better to avoid the fight than win one.

Tony- You can’t lose a fight that you never showed up to be in.  Also, if you and your spouse are armed the two of you being armed is 10 times more effective than one of you being armed. Two sets of eyes scanning for bad guys is more effective than one set.

Rob- My wife and I took training together.  But we have to practice.

Tony- You have to practice together.  You can do it as you’re walking down the street together, or walking at the mall. During this year’s NRA annual meeting in Atlanta my wife and I stayed alert and kept our heads on a swivel. We were effective because we do this no matter where we are going. Being aware of your surroundings  at all times should become a goal.

Rob- OK, so now I’ve got homework.

Tony- We all have homework.  The next thing is to have your gun on you.  This victim had to reach for his gun as if it were not on his body.  It could have been located in a bag or in a compartment inside the car.

Rob-  Getting a gun from his bag took time he didn’t have.

Tony-  He might have had the time later, but he didn’t have it right then.  What if the robber took whatever his gun was in or saw it inside of the car before the victim could reach it?

Rob- Yikes.  What do you mean he didn’t have time right then?

Tony- The robber had moved on to the other side of the car and his attention was elsewhere when the driver got his gun into the fight. Using a term that I learned from Ben Branum, the driver used “tactical patience” and attacked when the situation favored him. The victim was justified in going for his gun, but it is still our decision when we do it.  

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Wichita, Kansas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive for Lyft?  You’re driving for Lyft.  It’s late at night on memorial day, and you think you’ll just take some people home after they have been partying too hard and too late.  You pick up two passengers who say they want to go to the zoo..in the middle of the night.  That sets off some alarm bells.  You drive them back to where you picked them up and a third man, one of their friends gets in the car as well.  That is when they start asking inappropriate questions.

You’re a married mom, and it sounds like they are looking for something else entirely.  One of the men grabs your breast.  You yell for him to stop and get out of the car.  He doesn’t move fast enough so you draw your firearm.  Now he moves.

You call police.

Being a stay at home mom seems like a better idea than driving for Lyft.

Tony- Could she have avoided the problem by letting her passengers out in front of a police station, or a major well-lit motel that has porters standing outside.  The staff will walk up to your window and ask if you want them to park your car.  That means you have a witness, and that alone will stop a lot of criminals.

Rob- she was in the driver’s seat..in more ways than one.

Tony- Right, but she didn’t have a plan of what to do if she had aggressive passengers.  Most gun owners don’t carry.  Most of the carriers only took enough training to get their license.  Thinking these things through helps you make better choices.

Rob-  Do you have students who drive a cab, or work for Lyft or Uber?

Tony- I have not had any students but both my Father-in Law and Mother-in- law drive and drove cabs for years. You should never take on fares by yourself.  Have a plan to get police to you or to get yourself to the police.

Our third story happened last week in Burlington, North Carolina.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you wash your car?  You’re washing your car early in the morning.  You see another car cruise by, and then it parks a few stalls away from you.  It’s an old car with lots of patches and half painted repairs.  Odd that they want to wash their car in the middle of the night.  You’re worried, so you grab your gun from your car.

A man steps around the concrete barriers between stalls.  He has a bandana over his face and he points his gun at you.  He says to give him your money.  You raise your gun and fire.  Your attacker runs away.  You’re not injured.  You call police.

Tony, what did the victim do right?

Tony- Rob, the victim was aware of his surroundings, he wasn’t distracted by having his earphones on and his head down.

Rob- He would have been disarmed if he hadn’t seen them coming.

Tony- And please have your gun on your body.  What if you were washing the passenger side of your car while the gun was over on the drivers side.  When you need a gun, you really need a gun. If it isn’t on you, you may spend the rest of your life trying to reach your defensive firearm.

Rob- again, that was time the victim didn’t have.

Tony- you know you said that before.

Rob- Well we make the same mistakes over and over.  Next week I’ll try and find new mistakes.

Tony- Most gun owners don’t have carry permits.  Lots of people with their permit don’t carry.  They would do so much better with just a little bit of training and a little thought. Training gives you things to think about that may never have crossed your mind.

Rob- In this example, what would your students learn

Tony- here are two obvious things.  First lesson is to move to keep the car between you and your attacker.  The second is to know how well you shoot.  Practice lets you know what you’re capable of doing.  It looks like the victim’s shot missed his attacker.  This was a psychological stop.  Please practice shooting quickly.  Not every range will let you do that.

Rob- Drawing quickly can be dangerous for new students, so you’d probably want to practice with and empty gun at first.

Tony- Please start with a class so you’re not practicing mistakes.  

Rob- better yet.

Tony- Don’t do what you see people do in the movies or on TV or Youtube.  We can show you how to do it safely and quickly.

We also tell everyone to win the race to the phone.  Be the first one to call the police.

Rob- You know that is three things you’d tell your students.  You said there were only two.

Tony- basic gun safety

How to shoot safely

How to defend yourself with a gun.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 57 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 57 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do if you were in their situation?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 57 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

 

Tony- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in North Carolina.

 

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at a bingo parlor.  You run a bingo parlor in Winston Salem.  People want to gamble at all hours, so you’re open all day long.  Usually it is quiet in the early morning.  Usually, but not this day.  Two men enter your business at 5 in the morning.  They walk up to you and say “Give me the money.”

At 63 three years old, you feel too old for this.  These two robbers are in their 20s.  Then they pull out pistols and threaten you and your customers.  One of the robbers waves his pistol in your face.  You are armed.  You draw your handgun and shoot the robber closest to you.  Both robbers turn and run.  One shoots you in the shoulder as he leaves.

The police arrive in a few minutes.  EMTs take you to the hospital to have your shoulder bandaged up.  They say the robber you shot died a few blocks from your bingo parlor.

Tony: Have a gun.  Good, the manager did.  Good for him.

The manager was willing to save his own life and the life of his customers.  Again, that is a good decision that he made a long time ago.

Rob- So you think the manager had thought about this ahead of time.

Tony- I do.  He was armed at work.. Every day.  He also did something else right.

I want you to move as you present your firearm if the situation dictates that you do so.  I think the manager moved as he was presenting his weapon and that is why the robber shot him in the shoulder rather than the chest.

Rob- It is always the right time to move.

Tony- Right, and just because you’re shot doesn’t mean you are out of the fight.

Here is what we don’t know and it’s really important.  You don’t have to draw your gun the instant you see his gun.  You can, but you don’t have to.  Sometimes it is better to wait your turn.  Maybe the robbers will turn their attention to the cash drawer or the other customers and give you a chance to act.

Either way, once you see your opportunity, you have to move and act to end the fight.

Rob- I noticed that the manager did not chase the robbers out of the store.

Tony- He did the right thing.  Leave the criminal to the police once you and your customers are safe.

Rob- Is there more?

Tony- That’s enough for now.  Have a gun, have a plan, take your turn, and know when to stop.

Rob- You make it sound so simple.

Tony- It is simple, but it isn’t easy.  There is more to say, but we’ll save it for another example.

Tony- Our second story took place in Florida.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home.  The first thing you hear are your dogs barking.  They wake you up.  They keep at it so you roll out of bed, put on your pants, and grab your firearm.  It’s early morning and you walk into the main part of your home in Orlando, Florida.  You’re 65 years old and your house has been broken into four times before.  The dogs are barking at a stranger standing in your enclosed porch.

You tell the stranger to leave.  He says he’s looking for a landscape job.  You say you don’t have one and that he has to go.  The stranger opens the door and pushes past you into your home.

You yell for the man to leave.  He looks around the house and then runs at you.  To quote from the police report, “He started coming at me, running at me, so I pulled out my gun and I shot him..”

The homeowner held the suspect until police arrived.

Tony- The victim had his pistol in his pants pocket when he went to answer the door. He was following the POGO principle, Pants On Gun On

I want our listeners to put their gun away at night so they can access it quickly and safely.  I want them to wear a holster and put on their gun every morning when they put on their pants or skirt.  POGO, pants on gun on.

Rob- This story is from florida.  Lots of citizens have their carry permits there.

Tony- I think this man carried every day.  Also, he used verbal commands.  He tried to back away from the confrontation.  The intruder brought the fight to him.  That makes the case very easy to explain and it may keep you out of court.

Rob-  You’re saying the homeowner was pushed into this fight.  What about after the fight. Is it easy to hold someone at gunpoint?

Tony- It is dangerous.  The intruder was shot in the hip and he didn’t going anywhere.  You won’t know the condition of our attacker after you defend yourself.

Don’t stand there with your finger on the trigger if you’re not going to shoot someone.  Your weapon should be at the low ready position or the high ready position.  Your finger should be off the trigger.

Back away from the intruder.  Maybe you holster your firearm to call the police.  Maybe not if you don’t feel safe.  Reholster when you hear the sirens.

Rob-  And the only warning the homeowner had was his dogs barking.

Tony- and then he did the right thing.  He had a gun when he had an unexpected fight with a stranger in his home.

Rob- Anything else?

Tony- Our third story took place in Louisiana.

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Third story- Are you armed when you are driving your car for Uber? It is one in the morning and you’re driving for Uber in New Orleans.  You dropped off a passenger a few minutes ago and you’re looking at your phone to see if anyone else needs a ride.  Two men pull open the doors of your car and get in.  They have guns, and the guns are pointed at you.  They say drive, so you drive.  A couple blocks later they tell you to get out of your car.  You stop the car and get out.  You’re armed.  You shoot the robber closest to you.  Both robbers turn and run.

You call the police.

Tony-  Remember when I said that self-defense was simple.

You’re innocent.  You didn’t start a fight, they did.
Your life is in danger, they have guns pointed at you.
You face an immediate threat, you can be dead any second.
You can’t avoid the threat when it is sitting right next to you.

Those are the conditions you need to morally and legally use lethal force in self-defense.  When you defend yourself is up to you.

You won’t have time to learn about that when it is happening, but you will have time to recognize that situation if you already thought about it.  Let me say that again so you can look it up and study it.

The threat is dangerous, immediate, and unavoidable.

Rob- So the driver didn’t have to spend time wondering if he should protect himself.

Tony- Don’t spend the rest of your life wondering if you should save yourself.  Think about it now so you can use the rest of your life staying alive.

Rob- It isn’t a good idea when robbers tell you to go with them.

Tony- That is called abduction and kidnapping.  Add that to felony assault and robbery.

Tony- This driver was pretty cool.  He had guns pointed at him and he didn’t panic.  He waited his turn and then brought the fight to his attackers.  He did a great job.

Rob- The driver had his gun with him in a holster, or at least it wasn’t stuffed in the glove compartment.

Tony- Please carry on body.

Rob- Do you talk about this with your students?

Tony- Every week.  And being from New Jersey, we have our own examples.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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