Episode 57 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 57 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you do if you were in their situation?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 57 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

 

Tony- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in North Carolina.

 

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at a bingo parlor.  You run a bingo parlor in Winston Salem.  People want to gamble at all hours, so you’re open all day long.  Usually it is quiet in the early morning.  Usually, but not this day.  Two men enter your business at 5 in the morning.  They walk up to you and say “Give me the money.”

At 63 three years old, you feel too old for this.  These two robbers are in their 20s.  Then they pull out pistols and threaten you and your customers.  One of the robbers waves his pistol in your face.  You are armed.  You draw your handgun and shoot the robber closest to you.  Both robbers turn and run.  One shoots you in the shoulder as he leaves.

The police arrive in a few minutes.  EMTs take you to the hospital to have your shoulder bandaged up.  They say the robber you shot died a few blocks from your bingo parlor.

Tony: Have a gun.  Good, the manager did.  Good for him.

The manager was willing to save his own life and the life of his customers.  Again, that is a good decision that he made a long time ago.

Rob- So you think the manager had thought about this ahead of time.

Tony- I do.  He was armed at work.. Every day.  He also did something else right.

I want you to move as you present your firearm if the situation dictates that you do so.  I think the manager moved as he was presenting his weapon and that is why the robber shot him in the shoulder rather than the chest.

Rob- It is always the right time to move.

Tony- Right, and just because you’re shot doesn’t mean you are out of the fight.

Here is what we don’t know and it’s really important.  You don’t have to draw your gun the instant you see his gun.  You can, but you don’t have to.  Sometimes it is better to wait your turn.  Maybe the robbers will turn their attention to the cash drawer or the other customers and give you a chance to act.

Either way, once you see your opportunity, you have to move and act to end the fight.

Rob- I noticed that the manager did not chase the robbers out of the store.

Tony- He did the right thing.  Leave the criminal to the police once you and your customers are safe.

Rob- Is there more?

Tony- That’s enough for now.  Have a gun, have a plan, take your turn, and know when to stop.

Rob- You make it sound so simple.

Tony- It is simple, but it isn’t easy.  There is more to say, but we’ll save it for another example.

Tony- Our second story took place in Florida.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home.  The first thing you hear are your dogs barking.  They wake you up.  They keep at it so you roll out of bed, put on your pants, and grab your firearm.  It’s early morning and you walk into the main part of your home in Orlando, Florida.  You’re 65 years old and your house has been broken into four times before.  The dogs are barking at a stranger standing in your enclosed porch.

You tell the stranger to leave.  He says he’s looking for a landscape job.  You say you don’t have one and that he has to go.  The stranger opens the door and pushes past you into your home.

You yell for the man to leave.  He looks around the house and then runs at you.  To quote from the police report, “He started coming at me, running at me, so I pulled out my gun and I shot him..”

The homeowner held the suspect until police arrived.

Tony- The victim had his pistol in his pants pocket when he went to answer the door. He was following the POGO principle, Pants On Gun On

I want our listeners to put their gun away at night so they can access it quickly and safely.  I want them to wear a holster and put on their gun every morning when they put on their pants or skirt.  POGO, pants on gun on.

Rob- This story is from florida.  Lots of citizens have their carry permits there.

Tony- I think this man carried every day.  Also, he used verbal commands.  He tried to back away from the confrontation.  The intruder brought the fight to him.  That makes the case very easy to explain and it may keep you out of court.

Rob-  You’re saying the homeowner was pushed into this fight.  What about after the fight. Is it easy to hold someone at gunpoint?

Tony- It is dangerous.  The intruder was shot in the hip and he didn’t going anywhere.  You won’t know the condition of our attacker after you defend yourself.

Don’t stand there with your finger on the trigger if you’re not going to shoot someone.  Your weapon should be at the low ready position or the high ready position.  Your finger should be off the trigger.

Back away from the intruder.  Maybe you holster your firearm to call the police.  Maybe not if you don’t feel safe.  Reholster when you hear the sirens.

Rob-  And the only warning the homeowner had was his dogs barking.

Tony- and then he did the right thing.  He had a gun when he had an unexpected fight with a stranger in his home.

Rob- Anything else?

Tony- Our third story took place in Louisiana.

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Third story- Are you armed when you are driving your car for Uber? It is one in the morning and you’re driving for Uber in New Orleans.  You dropped off a passenger a few minutes ago and you’re looking at your phone to see if anyone else needs a ride.  Two men pull open the doors of your car and get in.  They have guns, and the guns are pointed at you.  They say drive, so you drive.  A couple blocks later they tell you to get out of your car.  You stop the car and get out.  You’re armed.  You shoot the robber closest to you.  Both robbers turn and run.

You call the police.

Tony-  Remember when I said that self-defense was simple.

You’re innocent.  You didn’t start a fight, they did.
Your life is in danger, they have guns pointed at you.
You face an immediate threat, you can be dead any second.
You can’t avoid the threat when it is sitting right next to you.

Those are the conditions you need to morally and legally use lethal force in self-defense.  When you defend yourself is up to you.

You won’t have time to learn about that when it is happening, but you will have time to recognize that situation if you already thought about it.  Let me say that again so you can look it up and study it.

The threat is dangerous, immediate, and unavoidable.

Rob- So the driver didn’t have to spend time wondering if he should protect himself.

Tony- Don’t spend the rest of your life wondering if you should save yourself.  Think about it now so you can use the rest of your life staying alive.

Rob- It isn’t a good idea when robbers tell you to go with them.

Tony- That is called abduction and kidnapping.  Add that to felony assault and robbery.

Tony- This driver was pretty cool.  He had guns pointed at him and he didn’t panic.  He waited his turn and then brought the fight to his attackers.  He did a great job.

Rob- The driver had his gun with him in a holster, or at least it wasn’t stuffed in the glove compartment.

Tony- Please carry on body.

Rob- Do you talk about this with your students?

Tony- Every week.  And being from New Jersey, we have our own examples.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 49 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 49 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 49 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Tony – Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Pennsylvania.

First story-  Are you armed when you go out to pick-up Chinese food?  A 31 year old man walked across the street to pick up his order for Chinese food.  That done, he tried to return to his Philadelphia home.  A teenager punched the man in the face as he lef the restaurant.  The victim takes the punch, drops his food, and runs across the street trying to avoid a fight.  The robber pursues the victim and catches him across the street.  That is where the victim drew his firearm and shot the robber one time.

The victim stayed at the scene and spoke to police.  He had a license to carry.  The restaurant owner said that two people a week are mugged outside his store.

Tony – Be aware of what is happening in your neighborhood. Robberies by groups of young people have been happening in this area at the rate of  twice a week, according to a witness. If you know this type of crime is happening and you have a description of the suspects then be aware of people that fit the description.

Rob- The victim tried to run.  There wasn’t any question about who started this fight.

Tony -The victim did some things correctly. He dropped what he assumed the attacker wanted and tried to disengage from the confrontation. It seems that he was trying to avoid turning this strong armed robbery into a shooting. He placed rounds on target, making the bad guy stop and he waited for the police to arrive and gave a statement.

Rob- the victim stopped shooting.

Tony- It is hard to think in the moment if you haven’t thought about it ahead of time.

Rob- Could the victim have avoided the assault?

Tony – Our second story took place in Ohio.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home in the evening?  A Cleveland homeowner went out to his car  late friday night.  As he was returning from his driveway and attempting to go back inside when a stranger approached the homeowner.  The robber already had his gun drawn and told the homeowner to go back inside.  That is when another man inside the home saw the victim with his arms raised above his head.  The second homeowner recognized a robbery in progress.  He drew his firearm, and shot the robber. The robber ran.  The victims called police.

Tony – The homeowner got surprised by an armed suspect and complied with his demands. Lucky for him there was someone in the home that recognized what was happening and took action. This criminal had multiple weapons on him and was prepared to use them. Who knows what would have happened inside the home once the bad guy got them behind closed doors. Always let someone know when you are leaving the home, even to run outside really quickly. Not only because of situations like this but other mishaps can happen and without someone in the home knowing anything has happened to you. This could make a bad situation become worse.

For example, it’s cold up here in the Northeast and there are patches of black ice in people’s driveways and it gets dark early. A husband runs out to get something from the car and his wife, whose in another room assumes he’s inside the home. The husband falls and hits his head, is rendered unconscious and lays outside in freezing temperatures until he is discovered a couple of hours later. He could suffer from Hypothermia or Frostbite. This happened to my own father during the winter of 2014. Luckily he was discovered relatively quickly by a passerby and rushed to the hospital.

Rob-  The armed victim had to shoot at night at a moving assailant, with his friend near the target.  Not an easy shot.

Tony – The armed victim had to fire at night with a friend in close proximity to the bad guy. I tell my students that they most likely won’t get into a gunfight on a sunny day with a target that isn’t moving and has no one around him or her. You have to practice things like precision shot placement, shooting in low light and hitting moving targets. That is why we teach these skills and have force on force classes as part of our curriculum.

Tony- Our third story also took place in Ohio.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home late at night?  A man answered his back door late at night in Columbus, Ohio.  Two men said their car broke down and they needed to use a phone to summon help.  The homeowner stepped outside and was hit with a gun when he tried to return back inside his own home.  The robbers demanded money.  They robbers demanded to search the back of the home.  That is where two children were sleeping.  Instead of opening the back room, the female homeowner grabbed a gun and shot the robbers.  They ran, and the victims called police.  Both robbers sought medical attention and were arrested by police.

Tony-  Don’t open the door to strangers late at night.

Rob- What should the homeowner have done if someone asked for help?

Tony- If they have car problems and you want to help then you can make the call for them. There is no reason to open your door and give them your phone.

Rob- You don’t need a permit to carry at home.

Tony- They both could have been armed and not opened the front door. That would have kept bad men outside their home.

Tony- In the online video of this story the family is upset about this robbery and want to move somewhere safer, where they won’t have to depend on their gun for their safety. No matter where you go you are responsible for your safety and security. You are your own first responder.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  We have a class scheduled for March 4th in Pine Brook, New Jersey.  Sign up on our web page, BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony- We offer you this podcast for free.  We ask you to share them with a friend, and to give us a rating on I-Tunes.

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Episode 41 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 41 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 41 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is now a proud part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.  How have you been, Tony?Tony Simon

Tony – Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Tony- Our first story took place this month in Ohio.

First story-  Are you armed at home?  A mom in Youngstown Ohio was loading her car with the help of her two children.  She’d returned to her home when she heard her children scream.  The homeowner saw a stranger standing in her kitchen.  She went back to her bedroom and grabbed the gun she keeps under her pillow.  She shot the intruder in the stomach.  He ran from the home. A waiting car took him to a local hospital.

Tony- People refuse to believe that there are no “safe places”. If you really believe there are evil people in the world then you need to act accordingly. Pants on, gun on. Even in a anti gun state like New Jersey you can carry in your home…for now.

Rob- She didn’t know he was in the home.

Tony- Who knows what this guy wanted with her or her kids but as a parent she had to protect her family. Luckily  for her she had an effective means to do so.

Rob- Was she lucky.

The gun wasn’t with her.  What if the intruder was between her and her bedroom?

Tony- She would have had to depend on the mercy of the merciless and that could have been very bad. Many people think just give the criminal what they want they will go away. That’s not always the case and sometimes you may not be willing to give up what they are demanding. You are your first responder, get trained, get armed and become an asset in an emergency.

Rob- Did she call the police?

Tony – It’s not clear if she called the police or not. You must call the police as soon as it is safe for you to do so. The police need to know that you are the good guy, the victim of a crime,  they also need a description of the bad guy as soon as possible so that they know who to look for and can catch them.

Rob-  She did defend her family.

Tony – The mom shot the intruder and he fled the scene. She did a good job not shooting the fleeing man in the back. You should only use deadly force to stop the threat. As soon as the threat is over stop shooting.

Rob-  Is there more?

Tony – Our second story took place in Florida.

Second Story- Are you armed at work?  A clerk was working at a gas station convenience store in Tallahassee, Florida.  A robber entered the store on Sunday evening.  The robber came up to the clerk and presented a handgun.  He demanded the money from the cash register.  The clerk fought with the robber.  The robber shot at and wounded the clerk.  The clerk ran towards the cash register where he grabbed a gun of his own.  The clerk shot the robber.  The robber died at the scene.  The clerk was wounded but is expected to make a full recovery.  The robber’s accomplice was arrested across the street.  The 20 year old robber did not have a criminal history, but the getaway driver did.  The two criminals are suspects in 10 armed robberies in the last 10 days.

Tony- The robbers have a plan.  You need one too. If you have not gotten formal training, YET, you can still formulate reaction plans for what happens if you are attacked. In the middle of a life and death struggle is not when you want to be thinking up a plan of action. Have multiple plans for self defense for where you live and work. The more training you get the more skills you have the better you can react to unforeseen situations that don’t follow your plan.

Rob- hand to hand?

What if the criminal was between you and your gun?

Who called police?

Tony- Self defense can be in many forms and the more forms you are proficient in the better you are equipped to handle confrontation. If you have the ability to mentally defeat an attacker and verbally convince them to move on use that. If you are physically attacked and you beat up the person and make them stop, disengage and run away it is still a win for you. If you depend on a tool to defend yourself make sure it is within reach at all time regardless of what that tool may be. If you are attacked verbally and threatened and the person leaves or attacked physically and the attacker runs off without getting anything you should still call the police and report the attack. You want an official report made of the incident. If the attacker comes back or attacks others the police have a record of that person and their prior behavior.

Tony- Our third story took place in Maine.

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Third story-  Are you armed when you are outside your home?  A man was returning to his girlfriend’s apartment in Lewiston, Maine.  This was at 10 pm on a Friday night.  The victim was attacked by two strangers outside his apartment, but the victim tried to flee into the building.  The attackers first shouted at him, beat him, and then ripped his wallet from the chain attached to his pants.  The two attackers continued to beat the victim.  He presented his 22 caliber pistol and fired four times.  The robbers ran.  The victim called police.  One of the robbers walked into a local hospital with a bullet in his shoulder.  The wounded man was arrested, but said he was the victim and that the armed man called him names.   Surveillance video and reports from other eyewitnesses matches the armed victim’s account of the story, not his attackers.

The attacker is in jail, and police are searching for his accomplice.

Tony-  Win the call to 911. Whomever makes the first call to the police is seen as the victim until it is investigated further. You don’t want to be in jail until it is figured out. Call the police as soon as possible, relay to them what happened and describe your attackers

Rob- It sounds like there were witnesses.

Tony- The victim tried to retreat from his attackers and that is a good tactic if you are successful.

Rob- Was he accurate with a gun?

Tony- Firearms training is a martial art that can be deadly but it needs to be supplemented by other skills.  Observation skills and verbal skills can help you avoid or deescalate an attack and hand to hand skills can get you seperation from the bad guy and get your firearm into action, if it is necessary.

Tony- Lastly I want to discuss the shot placement and caliber of his self defense firearm. Going to the range and shooting at paper can give you a false sense of security in your marksmanship ability. Taking a defensive firearms training class in which you are trained to shoot and more and be accurate under pressure will bring your skill levels and confidence up to a level that will get you fight stopping hits on a bad guy. Choose a centerfire defensive firearm because rimfire ammunition like .22 Long Rifle are not powerful enough to stop a determined attacker with one round due to its lack of penetration and wound characteristics. 9mm pistols are as easy to carry as most semi auto 22 caliber pistols with the added benefit of more powerful and dependable ammo.

Rob- When do you teach your students to move with a firearm?

Rob- What do you recommend for an everyday carry holster?

Tony- They learn that in our first class.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

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Episode 36 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 36 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 36 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is now part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor  Tony Simon.  How have you been?Tony Simon

Tony – Hi, Rob.  I want to welcome our new listeners, and say welcome back our regular listeners. Together, Rob and I report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Tony- Our first story took place this month in Florida.

Rob- first story- Are you armed when you stop for gasoline late at night?  A man and woman drove into a gas station in Vero Beach, Florida.  A homeless man sleeping at the gas station woke up as they arrived.  The homeless man accused the couple of stealing his property.  The couple got back in their car and started to leave when the homeless man reached into the car through an open driver’s side window.  The homeless man grabbed the driver and threatened him with a four inch knife.  The driver drew his firearm and shot his attacker.

The homeless man had been released from jail the day before.  His arrest record includes striking a law enforcement officer, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and public intoxication.

Rob- We can’t always see everyone around a gas station as we pull in late at night.

Tony- Gas stations are places where our attention is usually focused on filling the tank, we need to take in our surroundings. Bad guys know that people are distracted at the pumps.

Rob- We spend a lot of time in our cars.

Tony- We see our cars as a “safe place” because we are in a closed secured environment while driving but at a gas station you are not in your car you are near your car. You have a limited field of view standing between your car and the pumps with the fuel hose cutting off one avenue of retreat. Be aware of your vulnerability in that position.

Rob- Gas stations used to be “gun free zones” in some states.Tony-

Tony- Our second story took place in Colorado.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home when you have a friend over?  A woman in Hooper, Colorado invited a friend to live with her.  The friend was fleeing from her boyfriend.  The friend had taken out a restraining order.  That didn’t stop the boyfriend from showing up.  The homeowner told the boyfriend to leave and called police.  The boyfriend pointed a rifle at the homeowner.  The homeowner had a rifle of her own and shot the ex-boyfriend. The boyfriend’s rifle was a bb gun.  The boyfriend died at the scene.  The police investigated the shooting and refused to prosecute the homeowner.

Tony – It seems our theme today is crazy people. Be careful when getting involved in another couples’ domestic disputes it can be very dangerous.

Rob- Distance of handgun vs long gun.

Tony- Our last story took place in Texas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at your dentist’s office?  A woman was leaving her dentist’s office in Houston Texas.  She was attacked by a naked man as she walked from the office to her car that was parked in the parking lot.  The woman ran back into the dentist’s office and her attacker followed her.  The victim hid in the office behind a locked door along with the office staff.  The attacker tried to kick through the locked door before the attacker jumped over the reception desk.  The attacker chased the dentist from the building.  The dentists told the attacker to stop, but the attacker advanced on the dentist. The dentist drew his firearm and shot his attacker one time.

Relatives of the attacker said he was high on PCP.. again.

Tony-  Many people say that they will only carry their gun when they go somewhere dangerous but I don’t think anyone imagines that they will be chased by a naked man through their dentist office. Pants on, gun on.

Rob- anesthesia?

Tony-drugs and druggies are everywhere.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony – If you liked these examples then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 27 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 27 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction-  Rob- We’re back with episode 27 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse and I’m joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.Tony Simon

Tony- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and inspire you to defend the people you love.  Our first story took place last month in Ohio.

First story- Bring a knife to a gunfight.  A Youngstown homeowner heard a thief breaking into cars in front of his house.  The thief was breaking into the homeowner’s car when the homeowner came out and told the robber to stop.  The robber drew a knife and threatened the homeowner.  The homeowner drew his gun and shot the thief.  The thief ran.  The homeowner called the police and remained at the scene.

Tony, was this gun owner’s life in danger?

Tony- The homeowner wasn’t endangered while inside of the home, they put themselves in danger by becoming involved in an armed confrontation over a car.  Having a gun in a knife fight doesn’t guarantee the gun owner won’t sustain a life threatening injury. If no life is in danger don’t turn a robbery into a life and death situation. Call the police and be a good witness.

Our second story took place in Arizona

Second Story- Bringing a Hammer to a Gunfight  An employee left a store in Tempe Arizona at about 7 in the evening.  A man approached the employee and threatened him with a hammer before he hit him.  That is when the employee drew his firearm and shot his attacker one time in the chest.  The robber stopped hitting the employee and the employee stopped shooting his attacker.  The victim remained at the scene.  It isn’t clear who called police.

EMTs transported the robber.  The victim had injuries consistent with being the victim.

Tony- Avoid getting hit. Win the race to the phone. You have to talk to the police to establish your innocence.. And then shut up.

Tony- Our last story took place in Kentucky

 

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Third story-  Bringing your mom to a gunfight.  A large armed man walked into a corner market and demanded money.  The clerk grabbed a shotgun they keep behind the counter and shot the intruder.  The wounded robber ran, but did not seek treatment at a local hospital.  The surveillance video confirms the clerk’s story and that the robber was struck by the shotgun pellets.  The store was robbed earlier this year.  That time it was the clerk’s mother who was robbed of $600 dollars.

A shotgun?

Tony- A shotgun is a great home defense tool and it is just as good for defense of your business.  Your goal is to end the threat as quickly as possible, and shotguns bring much more power than a handgun with multiple projectiles per trigger pull.

Action is faster than reaction. Just because you are behind the curve doesn’t mean the fight is over.

Your defensive tools have to be near by, not across the room, not in a safe, not in the back office. It would have been much better if both clerks were carrying concealed so they could defend each other.  The same is true at for home invasions as well.

Don’t have established ideas of what your fight will look like, that will slow your reaction time.  Have a plan, take in new information, use it accordingly and have confidence in your tools and skill set to fight you way to victory.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Thank you, Tony for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony- If you like these examples then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 18 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 18 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

SelfDefenseGunStories_Header_v2-2Introduction– Rob- Welcome to episode 18 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Tony- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Our first example took place last month in South Carolina.

First story-  A game store owner in Columbia was playing a videogame with a customer.  There were other customers in the store as well even though it was 9:30 in the morning.  Two robbers came into the store and one robber had his gun drawn.  They took money from the store.  The robbers turned their back on the store owner in order to rob other customers.   That gave the store owner a chance to draw his own firearm from his pocket and shoot the armed robbers.  Both robbers fled but were soon picked up by police.  The injured robber was taken to a local hospital

Tony-  This was at 9:30 in the morning with other people around.  The defender had to mind his shots because he didn’t want to shoot innocent customers.

Second Story-  A homeless woman living in Gainsville, Florida called police early in the evening.  One of the other homeless people in the encampment kept bothering her.  She was on the phone to the police dispatcher when she was attacked.  Police heard her yelling “get off me” before the call ended.  The homeless woman retrieved her firearm from her purse and then shot her attacker in the chest.  He died at the scene.  Witnesses say the woman acted in self-defense.

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Third story-  A man in Dayton, Ohio was still lying in bed at 6 in the morning.  A burglar used a hammer to break through the homeowners back door.  By the time the homeowner was awake, the intruder was in his bedroom.  The homeowner grabbed his gun from his nightstand and shot the intruder.  The homeowner told police quote, “He said he had a gun and I shot him.”  The dead intruder was on probation after a conviction for aggravated burglary with a deadly weapon.

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Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in (what part of ) New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.

Rob- Our listeners can leave us a message on the podcast facebook page.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 10 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 10 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Welcome to episode 10 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse back with self-defense instructor Tony Simon.  Hi Tony.  

Tony- We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Our first example is from Chicago.

First story-  Two men were unloading their car at the back of a Chicago alley late at night.  Both men were 23 years old.   They were interrupted by 28 year old William George who demanded their wallets and phones.  One of the young men handed over his cellphone and wallet, while the other 23-year-old pulled his licensed firearm and shot Mr. George.  The two men called for police and for medical help.  They also stayed at the scene until the police arrived.  Police said the attacker was out of jail on parole for a previous armed robbery conviction.  The young men were not charged.

Tony- Thank god the young men were in charge.  There’s been a change of thinking in Chicago about armed citizens.  I assumed when citizens in Chicago got the right to carry that there would be a lot of legal maneuvering to make it impossible any time you defend yourself.  That doesn’t seem to be the case.  In this particular case they were facing a hardened criminal.  Many people assume when someone comes to rob them that it’s just someone looking for drug money.  You know some harmless stick up kid.  Well this guy was already on parole for previous convictions.  And I’m sure that wasn’t the first time he’d robbed someone a gun point either.

Assume you’re facing a hardened criminal any time someone comes at you would have a weapon to harm you.

Rob- This criminal was a professional.

Tony- Yes some of these people are.  They’re professional criminals they want to rob you.  Some people just want to hurt other human beings.  They’re not even there to rob you.  they may want to just take your life because that’s what they do.  They pick random people and hurt them or kill them for their own entertainment.  Keep that in mind when you’re defending yourself in your home.

Rob- Tony, that’s not something that you’ve read.  You’re familiar with inmates.

Tony- I know that from firsthand experience talking to multiple inmates.  And the frightening part was the age they committed these crimes, but we’ll talk about that later.

Second Story-  Our second story is from Chattanooga, Tennessee.  It happens everywhere, but a 30 year old man met a young woman online.  They met outside her apartment just after midnight.  The couple also met a 19 year old man with a gun.  The robber demanded their money and phones.  Instead, the 30 year old man presented his firearm and shot the robber.  The man called police and remained at the scene for police to arrive.  Police did not charge the shooter and said a couple had committed four similar robberies in the last year.

Tony-  This guy was very lucky, because if you have a concealed carry permit, or if you’ve chosen to carry, then always carry.  Always be ready to protect yourself even if it’s on the first date.  There’s no such thing as a safe time to not carry your firearm.

I like listening to another podcast you’re part of.  You guys have a saying, P.O.G.O. or Pants On Gun On.  That’s really the case that all of us conceal carriers should try to work for.

Rob- But the reason these criminals set up this particular operation was because they were preying on our innocence.  We’re thinking, “Hey this person sounds interesting.  What could be safer.  Sounds like a really nice person.”  Oops, and then you find out you’re being set up for a robbery precisely because being attacked was the furthest thing from your mind.

Tony- I’ll say something about single guys.  As a single man, in this world today, as a firearms owner, you don’t want to do anything to turn a first date off and of a lot of people are turned off by concealed carry holders, by firearms, or your second man rights.  Some guys would have chosen not to carry on the first date because they didn’t want the girl they just met to think they were a gun nut.

Smart move on this man’s part.  Pants on, gun on.

Rob- Now, I don’t know how they met online, but we’ve seen similar stories from online sites like craigslist and Back Page.  Sometimes they’re selling used electronics.. and the person gets robbed.  Now, they often choose to meet at a police station, or at a large bank’s ATM where there is constant video surveillance.

Tony- I think if this guy was buying electronic equipment then he would have been more suspicious.  I think maybe this is a new scam.  Excuse me, but it’s not even a new scam.  It’s an old scam done in a new way.  They warned us about this in the early nineties while i was in the military.  Back then, people that would invite you out on a date, tell you to come pick them up in their development, and then you would get robbed.

Rob- Right.  It is an old story.  Tony, do you to talk about this with your students?

Tony- I talk about a lot of things for my students.  It just depends on the student body and what they’re interested in.  But yes, I try to get them to think.  Always think!  It’s not being paranoid.  It’s just looking out for yourself, thinking ahead.

Again, I’m former military.  Every naval regulation is written in someone’s blood, so these experiences you don’t have to pay for.  They have already been paid for it.  You just should learn from it.

Rob- Learning from other people’s experiences the cheap way to learn.

Tony- They already paid.  You should benefit from it, if you can.

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Third story-  A store clerk walked up to his cash register as the 16 year old customer put a candybar on the counter.  The customer then pulled a firearm and pointed it at the clerk demanding the money from the cash register.  The store clerk drew a gun of his own, and the young robber fled.  Police looked at the surveillance video.  The police in Des Plaines, Illinois immediately recognized the criminal and his accomplice from earlier arrests.  Police then arrested the young criminals again.

Tony- Yeah.  A sixteen year old!  Being in Trenton, New Jersey and doing what I do, working in a prison, I’m familiar with young thugs.  As I was alluding to earlier in the first story, some people will hurt you, especially at a young age, because they have no appreciation of life itself and how valuable it is.  Two of the inmates I know were under the age of eighteen when they killed someone just because they felt like it.

You and I have no idea what our attacker will look like.  But, understand one thing.  A deadly threat is exactly that, a deadly threat, and you have to treat it as such, regardless of its image.

Rob- Tony in this case, this sixteen-year-old kid was using an Airsoft pistol.  He didn’t have a live firearm.  The clerk had no way to know that.  This kid is so lucky that he didn’t get killed.

Tony- Yes, this kid might as well avoid purchasing lottery tickets as an adult because he just used up all of his luck as a sixteen-year-old.  Wow.  Yeah.  That’s crazy.  The kid could have lost his life, but again, at sixteen, he probably has no appreciation of how lucky he actually is.

Rob- If this episode has a theme, it’s that we don’t know what a threat looks like.

Tony- We never know what a threat looks like.  We don’t know what our gun fight will be like.  We don’t know where it will take place.  So keep that in mind when you practice.  Use different scenarios, different distances, weak hand, strong hand.  Work on all of them with a goal in mind that you want to be really proficient with your firearm, no matter the circumstance.

Rob- How many classes would a student work with you before you could present a firearm from concealment?

Tony- Present a firearm concealment, we try to do that the first class.  If that’s why they’re carrying, if that’s why they’re taking the class, then that’s what we work on.  You take it in small steps and you do it from the beginning until the end.

Rob- The other thing that’s amazing about this is after the clerk presented the firearm and then stopped himself as the robber turned away.

Tony- That shows discipline on his part.  I assume that shows discipline on his part.  Maybe he wasn’t prepared to pull the trigger on someone that young.  But either way it turned out well for both of them that he didn’t pull the trigger.

The clerk in this last case did not fire his firearm after the threat no longer presented itself.  He continually thought about what was going on and he called the police.  And in all three stories tonight, everyone thought the situation through.  None of the victims had the incident happened and then took off.  They called the police and they waited for the police to arrive.  They spoke to the police and annunciated what happened.  They let it be known exactly what happened in the situation so they were seen as the good guy.  They weren’t seen as someone who brandished a weapon.  And then left the scene.

One of the good parts about practicing with your firearm, is that you’re not in panic mode.  You’ve done this before and thought your way through a similar situation.  One of the things you learn in defensive training is how to think your way through a problem.  That’s what I try to stress with my students.  Always think your way through.

Practice and rehearse this in your head.  Everything from the threat.. to the presentation.  And, if you have to fire, imagine firing your gun.  Rehearse calling of the police and keeping yourself safe and secure in the area.

Rob- I asked you about training to present a firearm.  Part of your answer was, ‘I need to train you what to do with a phone if you ever have to shoot.’

Tony- You have to communicate.  You have to get the police there.  And, you have to do it in such a way that you don’t say the wrong things.  You are going to be hyper.  You’re going to have an adrenaline dump.

You just have to state the facts.  You have to say who you are.  What you’re wearing.  And what happened that you need to get the police there or need an ambulance there.  I am wearing a gray shirt and blue pants.  I’m behind this building and beside this car.   Set your firearm down when the police present themselves.. and be prepared to be thrown to the ground and cuffed when they arrive.

Don’t take it personally.  They want to keep themselves safe too.  And you just have to keep that in mind and then get up and be able to tell them exactly what happened.

Rob- Tony, this story looks simple, but it’s really very demanding.  It includes presenting from concealment.. and not shooting after the threat turns away.  It includes talking to the police.  That’s very sophisticated.  Do you think your students would do this well?

Tony- Yes, all the ones I’ve had so far.  When you speak to your students, you try to get a feel for them.  You try to find out what they think and how they think.  The way Sean and I teach classes, it’s interactive.  We want to get your input.  We just don’t preach to you.  We want to see where you’re coming from mentally so we can find out exactly how fast to go with the class.  And exactly what to speak about while we’re in that class.

When you’re talking to a student about getting into a firefight, you have to stress that during the fight, it is a fight.  But once the other person is no longer a threat, it’s no longer a fight and you have to stop.  You cannot let your ego be invested into this.  You just have to win the fight.  But, once that threat is over, you stop.  Because if you don’t turn it off like a switch, it could go from a defensive shooting.. to murder.  You have to keep that in mind.

When we have training, we tell them it’s exactly that.  It’s training.  You have to take notes.  You have to go over this material again and keep it fresh.  And yes, we like our students to take multiple classes.  Come back to us for shotgun class.  Come back to us for rifle class.  Or, take a class with someone else!

The reason I tell people to continually take classes is because you’re not going to get everything the first time.  I’ve taking multiple courses and I’ve taken notes.  Then, I’ve taken another course and I was like, “wait a minute.”  I remembered that from the last time, but I forgot to write it down.

So the information you get in a course is like drinking from a garden hose and you’re just going to have to pick up what you can.  Take the class again if you have to.  I recommend you take at least two classes a year.

Exit- That wraps up this episode. Tony Simon, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in (what part of ) New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone.

Rob- That reminds me.  Listeners can talk to us on our facebook page.  We post transcripts and links to these stories on our web page at self defense gun stories dot com.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 3 with Tony Simon

Introduction- Welcome to episode 3 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Tony Simon.  Hi, Tony.  We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Tony- Our first example took place last month in Virginia.

1-Store clerk stops thieves- one dead, second in hospital  Two armed men entered a Gift Card ATM store in Hampton, Virginia.  It was about 6pm.  The thieves announced a robbery and forced the store clerk behind the counter to give them money.  To their surprise, the clerk was armed with a gun of his own.  He shot the two thieves.  One died on the scene .  No customers or bystanders were injured.  The second thief collapsed from his wounds a few blocks away.  The second thief faces charges of abduction, robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery, burglary while armed, discharging a firearm within an occupied building, wearing a mask in public and four counts of use of a firearm in commission of a felony.  The thief will be charged when he leaves the hospital. 

Be careful if you look this story up for yourself because you might not get the complete story.  Most of the news articles ignored that the criminals were armed and that the thieves fired their guns.

Tony Comments- Physical- Concealed carry again. No such thing as the “one shot stop.” Results- no injured customers, bystanders or employees. Was the employee at risk? When did he know it? What is he allowed to do to protect himself? Is that morally justified?

2- 71 year old convenience store owner stops thief with no shots fired A 71-year-old convenience store owner was opening her shop at 5AM.  At that hour you’re making coffee and putting change into the cash drawer.  You aren’t expecting, at least not in Buckhead, Georgia.  Unfortunately, we don’t get to schedule a violent attack.  The store owner, Janet Willis, saw William Dennis when Mister Dennis entered her store.   Dennis demanded the keys to the store owner’s car.  At that point, Janet Willis, the store owner, hit a silent alarm to summon police.  The thief said he had already killed his mother and would kill her too if she didn’t give him the keys. Quote, “I was afraid he was going to jump me,” she said.  Ms Willis stands all of 5 feet, 1 inch tall.  The thief turned to look at another customer and Ms Willis grabbed a 9mm handgun she keeps under the counter.  She kept her gun pointed at the thief as he ran from the store.  He was later arrested by police for auto theft and attempted robbery. 

Tony Comments- Physical- She is a little old lady, so there was a disparity of size. Guns make us equal. The shop owner had her gun behind the counter and not on her hip.  What if the robber had crossed the counter moved between the store owner and her gun? On body carry is ALWAYS going to be the best option. There is also the option of simply giving him the keys, though that is no guarantee that he won’t kill you anyway. But if you can avoid the fight…

?I don’t have a panic button, but I have a car alarm on my key ring. One option could be to retrieve the keys as ordered, then press the panic button as a diversion. If it makes the bad guy look…there’s your opening to flee or fight. If he doesn’t, explain it away as an accident due to nervousness. If there’s no alarm on the key fob, another option might be to “accidentally” drop the keys when handing them over in order to create an opening.

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3- Police have a difficult job, and so do armed homeowners.  A criminal was having mental problems for the preceding week, but his crimes were never serious enough that the Montpelier, Vermont police could arrest him.  That changed on a Tuesday night late in January.  A family was sleeping upstairs.  They woke up to hear glass breaking as 27-year-old Jesse Fitzgerald kicks his way through the mudroom door and into the kitchen.  The husband got his gun and the wife called 911.  From the top of the stairs, the man told the intruder that he had a gun and that the police were on their way.  That kept the intruder downstairs, and a few minutes later, Fitzgerald left the house.

Fitzgerald went back into the house when police arrived.  The homeowners closed their bedroom door and the police sent in a police dog.  The police then tackled the intruder.  Fitzgerald is being held for mental observation.

Tony Comments- Flashlight? Second gun or second intruder? 

Exit- Tony Simon, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?

They can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone.

Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.