Episode 32 with David Cole

Introduction- Rob- We’re back with episode 32 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor David Cole.  How have you been, David?David Cole

David – Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

First story-  Are you armed at home?  Police now believe it was a robbery, but a man and woman didn’t know what to believe when they were jolted awake.  They heard three man breaking in the front door of their Atlanta area home at 4 in the morning.

The woman immediately grabbed her gun.  She then walked towards the sounds and saw three man inside her home near the front door.  They were armed.  The female homeowner immediately shot at the intruders.  Two of the robbers ran and shot at the home as they left..  One of them tried to run, but died at the scene.  There were no other occupants of the home.

What is the first skill she needs, and where would she learn them?

David – Some “next steps” gun handling training

David – Of course, the big question is are you armed and home? Where is your gun?

David – Do you lock your doors? What if they had not had to kick the door? Would she have heard them in time?

David – She went to investigate. Should she have? I don’t think this is as simple as it seems. We are always taught to not search, but to bunker down and call police. Is this realistic? Is this ALWAYS the right answer? (FLASHLIGHT!)

David – Our second story took place in Florida.

Second Story-  Are you armed at work and on the street.. Or both?   

An employee at the Walmart in Sunrise, Florida was the victim of an attempted robbery.  The victim was waiting in his car before he could clock in.  A young man came up the the victim at about 4 AM and showed the victim a gun.  The robber then demanded that the victim turn over all his possessions.  The robber probably didn’t think that own of those possessions was a loaded gun.  The victim shot the robber several times.  He then ran into the store and asked for help.  Police pronounced the robber dead at the scene.  A victim’s sister said that their entire family has their permits.  A co-worker was surprised that the victim was armed.  Quote, “He’s a pretty mellow guy. If you ever get to meet him and talk to him, you wouldn’t even expect him to be able to defend himself like that because he’s very quiet and friendly.”

David – Not clear if he had to shoot from inside the car or outside.

Rob-  If you were in that situation, would you try to leave the car or would you try to stay inside your car?

David – I think that is hard to say, and is going to depend on the situation. While it might be difficult to draw while seated in a car (you should practice this), getting out takes time. That said, it also makes you a moving target, and movement can work to your advantage. Maybe an even better answer is to simply drive away? Do you leave your car locked while sitting in it? Running?

Important to note that this is one of the problems with employers who don’t allow guns on property, especially in states without “parking lot” laws.

David- Our third story took place in New Mexico.


Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network at https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/  The tracking code is 15625 or “Paul Lathrop.

Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  An 70 year old man was at his home just outside Albuquerque, New Mexico.  He walks with a cane.  Neighbors said he has difficulty moving.  Quote, “..a strong breeze would push him over. “He wasn’t expecting visitors when a man stranger broke into his home at 5:30 in the afternoon.  The old man was expecting trouble and he wasn’t a pushover despite his age.  The surprised homeowner was hit on the head with a bamboo pole, and with a hockey stick.  The intruder was shot once in the chest and died at the scene.

David-  Sounds like the homeowner had a gun with him.  Who called the police?  Even if a neighbor calls the police before you do, you want to call as soon as you can.

Rob- This is why you lock your doors.

David- While in this case, the bad guy wasn’t calling anybody, in about 92% of armed self defense cases, no shots are fired. That means there is likely to be more than one version of the story told to police, and you want to get your version in first. The first caller is going to be considered the “victim”…if you are the second caller, or don’t call at all, you may well be considered to be the “suspect.” Just ask Paul Lathrop!

David- Also interesting to note the time of day…5:30 in the afternoon. It’s easy to envision the late night intruder, but what about in the middle of the day? Again, are your doors locked? Do you open the door for unexpected visitors? Might want to think about that.


Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

David – I teach in the Cincinnati area.  They can contact me at Aegis Solutions for firearms instruction.  I also write at the Blackman with a Gun website.  Our listeners can reach me at either site.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.CPRC_webPlease support the Crime Prevention Research Center at Crime Research.org


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