Episode 116 with Tiffany Johnson

Are you armed at home? Can you defend yourself on the street? Firearms instructor Tiffany Johnson brings us three new stories. (17 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 116 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Tiffany Johnson with us as co-host.

Hi, Tiffany.  How have you been?

Tiffany- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been too busy with classes and my day jobs.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Tiffany- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Carlsbad, California.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?

It is Friday night and you’re having some friends over. Sometimes friends invite friends, so you see several strangers in your home and you ask them who they came with. They invited themselves, so you ask them to leave. They argue, but they go away. Not too long after that, you hear a terrible crash from your front door. These strangers kicked in your front door and are now standing in your hallway. You grab your gun and shoot at the intruders. Now they run.

Two of the attackers are wounded. Their friends took them to separate hospitals with non- life threatening injuries.

Tiffany- The door was locked.

Rob- Yes it was. That gave the homeowner more time to react as the home invaders broke down his door. A video camera and a motion detector would have given him warning too.

Tiffany, Yes, and they would have bought him even more time. The homeowner also had a firearm nearby. It’s unlikely that the gun was carried concealed, but even in anti-gun Carlsbad, California, you may still carry concealed at home.

Rob- Was the use of force justified?

Tiffany- Violent entry by multiple men is considered justifiable cause for self-defense. This wasn’t the fire department breaking through a door to get to someone who was trapped in a fire. This sounds more like gang activity.

Rob- It sounds like that to me too. But that can happen to honest people too. What should we do if we were in their place?

Tiffany- Our second story happened last week near Sacramento, California.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?   

You hired several men to work on a construction project on your property. The sounds changed from the sound of saws and hammers, to the sound of screams and yells. You see one of the construction workers hit another worker with a hammer..several times. You grab your shotgun and run to the scene. You yell for the attacker to stop and threaten to shoot him. Now he stops the attack. You then shout for the other workers to call police and EMTs. You tell the attacker not to move. Sheriff’s deputies arrive by helicopter and secure the scene. The victim was taken to the hospital by ambulance and required surgery for life threatening injuries to his head. The attacker was arrested, and out on parole.

Tiffany- You want to investigate who you’re inviting on your property. This homeowner had a friend doing the construction work. The other laborers were friends of friends. That means you don’t know who is in your house. Real professionals have a license and are bonded to protect the homeowner from issues like this one.

Tiffany- It sounds like this was a rural neighborhood and the homeowner had a loaded shotgun at hand.

Rob- That is why the cops used a helicopter to get there quickly. What should we do with a violent criminal once he’s stopped an attack on a third person?

Tiffany- Our third story happened last week in Richmond, California, but first this message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at night?  

It is after midnight. You are staying at your parents home when you hear breaking glass. You grab your gun and investigate. There you see a stranger standing in the front room of the house and he has something in his hands. You tell him to get out. He walks toward you. You shoot him until he stops advancing. Now your folks are awake, and they call 911. EMTs take your attacker to the hospital. The police recover 7 empty shell casings.

Your attacker had an arrest record for home invasion. Police think he’d broken into two other homes that night.

Tiffany- This is the california episode, isn’t it?

Rob- People defend themselves even in anti-gun California.

Tiffany- Of course they are. Thousands of us need to defend ourselves every day.

Rob- Would you explain why lethal force was justified in this case?

Tiffany- At home, dark of night, the intruder didn’t stop when confronted.

Rob- What does it mean by shooting until the attacker stopped?

Tiffany- We’re employing the firearm as a tool. It can stop a person from attacking us or other innocent parties. Once that attack is stopped, then our justification for using lethal force stops also. You may have every right to shoot a criminal who has broken into your home and shows every sign of attacking you. Once the criminal turns to run, you have to stop shooting because the attacker is no longer a threat.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

Tiffany- you don’t have much warning. By the time you knew there was a problem, the intruder was already in your home. There were several family members in the home, so you probably don’t have time to gather together and barricade behind your bedroom door. That limits your options, so you might have to confront an intruder as this man did.

Exit- Rob- And speaking of ??? that wraps up this episode. Tiffany, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Tiffany- My website is Front Sight Press and I instruct at Citizens Safety Academy and Rangemaster

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tiffany-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 115 with Robyn Street

Have you prepared your home? Can you yourself on the street? Firearms instructor Robyn Street brings us three new stories of armed defense. (14 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 115 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Robyn Street with us as co-host.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been good. We have been working on strengthening our self defense tool box.  We have been working on enhancing our situational awareness, self defense and knife training.  I would like to avoid ever being attacked, but if I am attacked, I want a robust set of skills to escape and to protect myself.  I am really enjoying learning and refining my skills. I also got to shoot black powder muzzle loaded rifles with my friends. It was really fun but my friends just kept saying if I had been a soldier back in the old days, I would not have lasted very long.  I was not very fast loading the rifle. My primary focus was on safety.

Rob- And speaking of safety tools, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Robyn- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation. What should we do if we were in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Fresno, California.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It is well after dark when you hear someone knocking on your front door. You check your doorbell camera and don’t recognize the woman standing on your porch. The stranger says her friend lives there. The strange woman is obviously confused, and she also sounds increasingly angry as she demands to be let in. You call police. The strange woman rips the screen door off your entryway and the screens off your windows. Your doors and windows are locked. The intruder throws herself an your door over and over, then starts banging on your windows.

You tell her you have a gun and to go away. Police arrive a moment later and arrest her. The intruder is a 30-years-old and she was drunk. She faces charges with vandalism.

Robyn- The homeowner, a retired police officer, had a gun and was mentally prepared to use it to defend herself.  This was something that our homeowner had already envisioned as a possibility. She had done a good job of hardening her home.  The doors and windows were locked and secure, camera was installed and operating, phone was charged and in hand, gun was available and ready to use.  Hooray.

Robyn – I love the fact that she had installed a doorbell camera.  She could identify the person at the door without compromising her security..  I am not sure if the camera had a speaker but regardless she also issued clear verbal commands to leave.

Robyn – She did so many things right.  She called the police and got them on the way. A further benefit to calling 911 is that they can give you updates on the position of help on the way, you can keep them updated on the location of the threat and on your location.  Finally, it is recorded in case any legal action is required.

Robyn- She was frightened..and she is a retired police officer.  She did a great job of analyzing the threat as it was unfolding. I think it is important for us to mention how upset she was sharing how  close she was to shooting the woman. Perhaps she had drawn the red line at crossing the threshold of the house. She was prepared and stayed in control.  She had police on the way but they were not there yet. She was her own first responder. If we find ourselves in a similar situation this would give us a good mental map to follow.

Robyn- No shots fired.  I wish that every self defense scenario was like this one.  The preparations were sufficient to keep her potential attacker away.  Good job! Our second story happened North of Daytona Beach.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work

You work in a pizza restaurant. It is almost time to close the store for the day. A man walks in and you look up. The customer wears a mask and before you know it he hit you with a wooden post. You duck and the post breaks on the counter. The stranger pulls out some scissors and tries to stab you. You draw your firearm and shoot him several times.

You call the police. The video shows the robber waiting outside and then attacking you. There are no other witnesses, and the police find your attacker behind the store wearing a clown mask.

Robyn- Our defender got a late start. There is a lot to do as you close a restaurant. You’re cleaning up from today and getting ready for tomorrow. No wonder the employee was paying attention to clean-up and prep rather than the stranger coming in the door.

Rob- So the first clue is that you’re getting hit with a fence post.

Robyn-I understand that the worker was probably anxious to get home, but if possible he should have waited to do clean-up until after the doors were secured.

Robyn- This is a situation where he had to earn his draw.  The attacker was already attacking him at close range before he defended himself.  This is where the skills I am working on this summer might have come in very handy.  Avoid getting hit, block and work for your counter movement

Robyn-Thank goodness that he was armed.  He was able to defend his life with the tool he had. He was mentally and physically prepared to do whatever to took to get home to his family.

Robyn-He stayed in the fight until it was over.  But when the threat no longer existed he stopped.

Robyn- He did a good job calling the police and letting them do their job.  They found the attacker behind the store.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

It is still dark outside when you hear someone in your basement. You tell your wife to call police and you grab your gun. You go downstairs and tell the intruder not to move. Police arrive a few minutes later.

The intruder is charged with second-degree burglary and the police think he is responsible for several other break-ins.

Your wife and children are unhurt.

Robyn- Wife and kids in the home. Do you shelter in place or investigate the noise in the basement?

Rob- Is there only one way up from the basement? How do I know there is only one intruder?

Robyn – That is one of the reasons that we have cameras in our house.  I can search my house via my phone. If you can see them you can give good information to the police and you can to a better job evaluating the threat and planning your defense.

Robyn- If you had not installed cameras, the first thing that popped into my mind was to barricade the basement door.  If there was indeed an intruder or intruders in my basement they could take any of the basement stuff they wanted but they were not allowed to hurt me or my family.  Single entry up a staircase through a door is relatively easy to defend. Let the police come investigate who is in the basement. My job is to keep them away from my family until the police arrive.  

Robyn-I like the team effort.  The wife called 911 to get the police on the way.  That freed her husband to protect the family.

Robyn- I would suggest getting set up in a defensible position and issuing verbal commands.  “The police are on the way.” “Get out of my house.” It would also be nice to illuminate them and or record them.  Many people can turn on lights remotely. Criminals do not want to be seen or filmed.

Robyn- I am glad that the husband had the gun and had it accessible at the time of the break-in   I am also glad that the wife had access to the phone and it was charged.

Robyn-I am not sure what people are thinking when they go off to investigate.  That is very dangerous. He held the intruder until the police arrived. He was lucky that it was a single intruder and that the intruder complied with his command.  This could have very easily turned out much different for the homeowner. I am glad that it worked out for him and his family. I would suggest letting the police do their job.  They can search, they can decide what to do with the criminals that they find. My job is to stay as safe as possible until they arrive.

Robyn- Police arrived in four minutes.  That is a very good response time but I imagine it felt like an eternity to the homeowner.

Exit-  Rob- I had a good time talking with you.  That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping us again. Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We offer custom training courses as well as group classes. Leave us a message on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 114 with David Cole

Can you protect innocent victims at home and on the street? Firearms instructor David Cole brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (13 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 114 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor David Cole with us as co-host.

David, I see where you’ve been competing with your concealed carry handgun and teaching Aikido.

David- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working out the kinks competing with a new gun; getting students ready for testing at the dojo.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

David- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What would you in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Atlanta, Georgia.  Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’ve finished the dishes and are cleaning up when you hear a woman scream from the front of your home. You walk outside and see three teenagers beating a pregnant woman on the sidewalk in front of your house. One of the teens is hitting the pregnant woman with a handgun. You draw your firearm and point it at the attacker. “Stop! Drop the gun or I’ll drop you,” you shout.  The attacker drops the gun and all three teens run away.

The victim was a Dominos Pizza delivery driver. The three teenage attackers lured her to the house next door where they waited to rob her of her money and her car. EMTs took the victim to the hospital for observation. Police arrested and charged the teenagers, two boys and a girl, all 16 years old.

David- This is a case of a third party intervention, with an overall happy ending. Our victim was very fortunate that there was a good Samaritan nearby who was willing and able to come to her aid.

Rob- Our defender recognized an innocent victim.

David- A smart decision to respond with a gun, since the attack was 3 on 1…even if the attackers had been unarmed, there is still a disparity of force.

Rob- Should the defender have used a verbal warning? Was he already justified to use lethal force and kill all three attackers?

David- It’s easy to armchair quarterback, but the obvious answer is yes, he should have challenged…because it worked…in this case. But it might not always, and he was certainly justified in using lethal force due to the fact that it was 3 on 1, and there was a weapon involved. Also, I don’t know of any state which requires a challenge be issued prior to use of lethal force. But had the attackers been more committed in carrying out the assault, he might have placed himself at an even greater disadvantage by giving the bad guys that warning, and the resulting time to act first.

David- Our second story happened last week near Richmond, Virginia.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?

It is the afternoon when you hear someone trying to break into your basement door. You get your gun. The intruder walks up onto your back porch and tries to open your back door. The door is locked. You shout for the stranger to go away and that you are armed. The man picks up a retaining wall stone and breaks the glass of your back door. Then he reaches inside to unlock the door. Your two daughters are inside behind you. You shoot your invader. Now he runs and you call police.

EMTs take him to the hospital. Police report that the intruder met your daughter online and he lives in another country.

David- This mom protected her family. Well done.

Rob- Should she have retreated and called the police?

David- She certainly could have, but there was no way that this was going to end well. He had pursued this girl in online communications for months, despite having been told to stop. He flew halfway around the world, and purchased a knife, pepper spray, and duct tape before going to the girl’s house. I believe that this family was aware that this guy was a problem, and fortunately they were prepared. Had they not been, it could have turned into the stuff of horror movies.

Rob- 22 caliber

David- It worked..this time. Clearly, a centerfire caliber is better, but the gun you have and the gun you can shoot is still better than nothing.

Rob- What do you suggest for your students?

David- As I mentioned, a centerfire caliber is the best choice for most people; .380 as a minimum, and on up from there. It may take a little more training to become proficient, but when you can save your daughter from that sort of fate, wouldn’t that be worth it?

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David- Our third story happened last week outside Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re getting a cup of coffee?  

It is early in the morning. You pull into a convenience store for gas and a cup of coffee. You’re walking to the register when you see the reaction on the clerk’s face. You turn around and see a man wearing a hoodie and a black mask over his face. He has a gun in his hand. The clerk runs out the back of the store. You draw your gun and step to the side. The thief turns around and runs. He’d robbed another store a half hour earlier.

David- Third party again…although the customer easily could have become the victim had the situation continued.

Rob- This is one of those common events that are rarely covered in the news. The defender didn’t have to fire his gun.

David- He had his gun on him. Being able to present in in time meant that he did NOT have to press the trigger.

Rob- Do you talk about a situation like this with your students?

David- I think that what probably gave the customer time to act more quickly than the robber could react was due to awareness. It sounds like the customer had his head up and recognized what was going on, and took decisive action before the robber even realized he was there.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

David- My training website is Aegis Solutions  on Facebook, and I’m also at BlackManWithAGun.com

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 113 with Elizabeth Hautman

Can you protect innocent victims at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (18 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 113 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman with us as co-host.

Hi, Elizabeth.  How have you been?

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been running a couple classes a week.

Rob-Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Elizabeth- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What would you do in their place?

Our first story took place last week near Atlanta, Georgia.  Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you buy groceries?  

You’re shopping with your wife after work. Lots of people are picking up supplies for the Father’s Day weekend. Three men approach you as you walk to your car. They are armed. You’re being robbed. You carry concealed. You and your wife run behind your car. You present your firearm and shoot all three robbers. They shoot back, at least for a while. Soon, one of the robbers runs away. One robber drops to the pavement. The third crawls back inside the store.

You and your wife are shaken, but not shot. Your car isn’t so lucky. You call the police.

The police pick up the two robbers and take them to local hospitals. That is where they arrest the third robber who drove away.

Elizabeth- I notice that our defender was alert. His head was probably out of his phone. He noticed that three men with guns walking up behind him was unusual and he acted on that clue. That is what let him with against three attackers.

Rob- Was this a robbery or a carjacking?

Elizabeth- Maybe. We don’t know if the robbers told him what they wanted, or if he noticed them as they approached. It sounds like the first thing the good guys did is move, and that changed everything.

Rob- What do you mean?

Elizabeth- Most couples would stand there frozen. They would wonder who is going to act first. This couple got behind their car. That kept the bad guys from grabbing them. It limited how many of the robbers could approach them at one time. It also absorbed some of the bullets in the gunfight that followed.

Rob- I see that.

Elizabeth- Moving changed the entire dynamic of the event.

The robbers had a plan. The victims would have their eyes down in their phones or be busy loading their groceries. The robbers would quickly confront them and take their money and keys. The victims would never have time to form a plan and act on it.

Instead, the victims moved. Now it was the robbers who had to react to an armed defender. The defenders had cover and the robbers were out in the open in the lane of traffic. The fact that the wife knew to move made this defense possible. If possible, they could move around opposite ends of the car so that the robbers wouldn’t know who to chase, but the important thing to do is to move and do something.

Rob- I thought you were going to say the armed defender shot well.

Elizabeth- He might have, but he made the shooting part much more effective because he was behind his car rather than out in the open. It is more important to avoid getting shot than to be a good shot. These defenders did both.

Rob- Anything else you notice?

Elizabeth- Most armed robberies have multiple attackers, so this isn’t that unusual. I wish both defenders were armed and trained. That would have made their attackers run away sooner and made this husband and wife even safer.

Our second story happened last week east of Orlando in Seminole County, Florida.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home in the afternoon?   

You are at home with your mom when you hear someone break into your home. You both run upstairs and hide in your bedroom. You grab your gun and retreat into a corner. A stranger opens your bedroom door and you shoot him. He runs. Now you call police. You and your mom are frightened but unharmed.

The police arrest the wounded robber at a nearby gas station. They also arrest two of his accomplices. Both are being charged with murder after their partner died at the hospital.

Elizabeth- See, three attackers again. I’m glad the door was locked so the robbers had to break in. That gives you time to act before the robbers are on top of you.

Rob- Good point. The defenders knew how to use the time they had.

Elizabeth- The defender was a young woman who had some firearms training. It isn’t clear if she pulled her mom into her room where she had her gun, or if the young woman was armed at home and went to her mom’s room to defend them both. Either plan would work.

Rob- She made the robbers come to her.

Elizabeth- She thought about this before it happened. She made the bad guys step around the corner and open her bedroom door. That means she got a turn to defend herself before the robbers got a chance to attack either her or her mom. A good plan means you have an opportunity to act and the bad guys have to react rather than hurt you.  

Rob- What else did you notice.

Elizabeth- I want my students to take care of first things first. Get your defensive tools, a gun and a phone. Gather your loved ones and go someplace safe. Then, get help on the way. Maybe mom was calling the police once they were safely in their bedroom. That isn’t the sort of thing that reporters think to ask. Also, the daughter didn’t chase the robbers. She let the police do that. Good for her.

Our third story happened last week in McComb, Mississippi.

Rob- First this message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You work in a convenience store. It is after dark. You hear some noise from the backroom and turn around. The other night clerk is a young woman. She is being pushed back into the store by a man holding a gun to her head. The robber pushes her into the store and waves his gun at both of you.

You’re armed. You wait for a moment and then draw your own handgun. You shoot the robber. He shoots back and you shoot again. Now he runs out the front of the store. You lock the front door and call police. Neither of you are hurt, but you’re both very upset.

The robber looks like the same man who robbed your gas station last week. This time you were armed. The police find the dead robber across the street. They examine the surveillance video, just as they did last week. There are no charges against you.

Elizabeth- Store clerks carry out the trash late at night when there are not many customers around. Criminals wait in the dark near the dumpster so they can sneak in the back entrance. Both clerks needed to be armed..and maybe to have bright lights they could turn on at the back of the store when they went outside.

Rob- I carry the trash out in the dark at least once a week before pick-up day.

Elizabeth- Lots of us do, and it is predictable. Go armed when you go outside at night. The guys with the best plan win, so better yet, carry the trash out while it is still light outside.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Elizabeth- One of the defenders was armed. That is an improvement from last week when they were both disarmed. I hope the defender had the gun on him rather than having it behind the counter. The clerk could have been working on the displays in the middle of the store when the robber came in using the other clerk as a hostage. You don’t have a gun if it is out of reach.

Rob- A lot of gun owners pretend they have a gun for defense, but the gun is out of reach. Do you talk about that with your students?

Elizabeth- That is one of the first things we talk about. Most of them get it.

Both of the store employees did the right thing when they waited their turn to defend themselves. We don’t know how the female clerk was able to move away from the robber. It is important to think about that ahead of time.

I want my students to practice enough so they know how much time and distance they need to use their firearm effectively. That way they can recognize it when the robber gives them the time they need.

Rob- It sounds like the clerk shot once and then stopped. That is when the robber shot back.

Elizabeth- I noticed that. We want to avoid a gunfight where both sides shoot their guns. Practice so that your first shots hit the target. That give you an advantage because you are not shot and your attacker is. Keep shooting until the attacker stops threatening you.

Rob- Anything else?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Some of you have shared the articles we post on the podcast facebook page.  You can also leave us a message and share your thoughts, either in public or in private.

Elizabeth-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 112 with Ben Branam

Can you protect innocent victims at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Ben Branam brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (14 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 112 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse and Ben Branam is our co-host. Ben, how have you been?

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy moving into a new house and teaching classes.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Ben- We study three recent examples of armed defense. These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. Ask yourself what you would do in their place.

Our first story took place last week in Jacksonville, Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you go shopping?  

You’re sitting in your car at Walmart when a man runs up and pulls open your driver’s side door. He has a knife in his hands and tells you to get out of your car. You put up your hands and are cut on your hands and arms several times. You slide toward the passenger side, and pull your gun from under the seat. Now your attacker runs away.

The attacker runs to a car waiting in a nearby drive-through lane. This time the woman in the car slides out of the car and grabs her gun from under the seat. Again, the criminal runs away.

Police arrest the criminal as he hid in a nearby bathroom. The criminal had robbed the Walmart a minute before the first assault.

Ben- lucky versus good practice

Ben- Have a gun.

Ben- Pogo. lock your car doors. Practice drawing your firearm when you’re seated.

Our second story happened last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?

You drive up to your house and notice that the door is open. You hear your dog barking. You walk inside and see two young men. They see you and pull handguns from their pockets. You dive for your front closet and take out a rifle. It is loaded and your shoot both of your attackers. Now you back out of the house and call police. You show the police your surveillance tapes. That shows the break in and you defending yourself.

Both robbers die at the scene.

Ben- This homeowner was lucky rather than smart.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

Ben- He had a video system. Add a simple alarm system to it. That way he would have known not to enter his home.

Rob- Call the police. Let them chase the bad guys.

Rob- So avoid the avoidable gun fight so you don’t get shot.

Ben- I am glad he had a rifle for self-defense. That works.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?

You work at a roofing company. One of the employees is upset. There is an argument in the front office and you walk over to see what is going on.  The employee threatens you and says he’s going to get even. He storms out of the building. You have other employees outside. You follow him. The angry employee grabs a gun from his truck. You tell him to put the gun down. He points the gun at you. You are carrying concealed. You draw and shoot your attacker. You go back into the building and call police and EMTs.

The police take your attacker to the hospital. You show police your security video. They identify the employee as a convicted felon, so he shouldn’t have had a gun in the first place. Your attacker faces charges of possession of a weapon by a convicted felon and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Ben- This time the defender had a gun on him.

Ben- He could have locked the office doors, but that would have left the people in the parking lot on their own to face an armed attacker.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us today. Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 111 with Amanda Suffecool

Can you protect innocent victims at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Amanda Suffecool brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (15 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 111 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Amanda Suffecool with us as co-host.

Hi, Amanda.  How have you been?

Amanda- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy training and building houses.   We have held a woman’s day on the range this past weekend,  and I have just been asked to speak at the Heller-ten event in DC on the 10th anniversary of the Heller vs DC decision.    So – as they say, what have you been up to… nothing much. What about you – Rob

Rob- I practiced at the range, and received an order of ammunition for a training class I’m taking. Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Amanda- We study three recent examples of armed defense.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What should we do in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.  Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at a restaurant?  

You walk out of a restaurant when you hear shots coming from inside. The restaurant is posted as a gun-free zone, so you left your gun in your car. You run back and grab your handgun. You see people streaming out of the building and you work your way upstream looking for the problem. You see injured people lying on the ground. You shout asking, “Where is the shooter,” and people point out the side door. You follow them.

You see a man standing in the parking lot with a gun in his hands. You yell for him to drop the gun. He turns toward you and fires. You shoot back. The attacker drops to the ground. You look around and see another civilian with a gun pointed at the attacker. You nod to him and step back.

Then you remember that your holser is in your car. You stay at the scene. Police arrive a few minutes later.

Amanda- had a gun (wasn’t on him, but he had one.) This is why gun free zones are such an issue with pro 2A folks

Amanda- The defender took a risk – one that you would want someone to do if you were one of the injured,  but one that is a concern on its own. He ran toward the problem

Amanda- More than one defender. When the first defender stopped shooting, the second defender lowered his gun. They were both reticent to shoot, and that is exactly the attitude we want.

Amanda- Our second story happened last week in Worcester, (woo’-ster) Massachusetts.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

You’re working behind the counter at a small market. It is 8:40 in the evening. You hear a lady scream and look up. A man is standing behind the woman and has a knife at her throat. The attacker says this is a robbery. You see the fear in the woman’s face and put your hand on your gun. The woman drops to the ground. You draw and shoot the attacker three times. He runs from the store and you call police.

The police arrest the attacker outside your store.

Amanda- He didn’t wait until the man with the knife was close to him.  But at the same time – it’s was obvious that the guy with a knife was a threat.  

Amanda- This clerk honored the witnesses. He defended an innocent person..and then stopped shooting.

Amanda- Our third story happened last week in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home?  

It is almost 11 at night. You hear a car horn and hear your mom yell from the front of your home. She is driving behind your home and still honking her car horn. You grab your gun and open the back door. You see a man pointing a gun at your mom. He points his gun at you and fires. You shoot back. The robbers run and you call police.

Police said the teens may have been involved in two other overnight armed robberies.

Amanda- In all three cases, the defenders were involved while defending a third party of a family member.

Rob- It happens.

Amanda- It happens, and we have to think about it ahead of time.

Amanda- The first rule of a gun fight is have a gun. Our defender did not have time to go outside, assess the situation, and then go get his gun. He had his tools on him.

Rob- and he used them.

Amanda- Unfortunately, he missed. 11 at night, low light, hard to see the sights. Perhaps its the length of the shot – a shot from your back door to the parking lot.

Rob- Do you teach that to your students?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amanda, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Amanda- You can find me at eye on the target radio radio. I have two radio programs and I instruct on the weekends.

Rob- Thank you for inviting me on your show, Amanda. It is a call in show so you can talk to her on Sunday evening.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amanda-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in two weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

Episode 110 with Andee Reardon

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Andee Reardon brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (14 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 110 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Andee Reardon as co-host.

Hi, Andee.  How have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been good and running several classes this weekend.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What would you in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Ocala, Florida. This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You got a call from your mom. She is out of town but the security cameras noticed some motion in the front yard and called her smartphone. She recognized her ex-boyfriend creeping around her house and your mom called police. She also called you. The police came out, but didn’t find her ex-boyfriend.

Later, you hear a crash from the front of the house. You walk into the hallway to see mom’s ex-boyfriend heading for the bedroom where your younger brother and sister sleep. You shout and shoot the intruder. Now he runs.

You call police..again. They catch the intruder a few blocks away and take him to the hospital.

Andee- Many women who come to me for training want to carry a gun because they are worried this will happen to them.

Rob- How do you help them?

I was pleased to see she had a gun in the home and security cameras.  These are two things I always recommend in this type of situation.

Rob- Talk about access to firearms for your family.

Andee- It’s a good thing her son was there and was armed. Abusive relationships never end well and often the abuser will remain angry long after they seperate. He may have been looking for his ex girlfriend or wanting to take revenge on her children. Thankfully he was never given that chance.

Rob- You train families. How old do children be to be included in self-defense plans..and family problems like a violent boyfriend?

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Dallas, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

It is early in the morning and your shop is already open. A customer walks up and puts a bag on the counter. Then he demands the money from the cash register. You back away and the robber tries to pick up the entire cash register. That doesn’t work and the robber pushes you. There are other customers in the store.

You draw your gun and shoot the robber. Now he runs outside. You call police.

They find the robber sitting at a nearby gas station. He is arrested and taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg.

Andee- I wish we knew more about this story. The first thing I take from it is a man working at a store which is a typical target for robberies was ready and had a pistol for protection.

Rob- Do you have a larger requirement not to get hand-to-hand if you’re carrying a firearm?

Andee- Sounds to me like the cashier waited until things got physical before defending himself.

Rob-When can we defend yourself?

You can’t just shoot someone because they put a bag on the counter and demand money. If someone demands money, you have to make a choice to either comply or get away. Once they threaten physical harm, produce a weapon or physically attack you, you’ll need to protect yourself and quick.

Our third story happened last week in Roanoke, VA

 

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you sell your motorcycle?

You don’t ride any longer, so you want to sell your motorcycle. You find a buyer and agree to meet at a nearby parking lot just after work. It is still light out. You meet the buyer and his friend. Both men are in their early 20s. They like the bike. You ask for the cash before you sign over the title and bill of sale.

That is when the buyer draws a handgun and demands the keys. You draw your gun and shoot the robber in the neck. He drops his gun and falls to the ground. The other robber runs. You call police.

The robber is transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. Both robbers are charged with aggravated assault and aggravated robbery.

Andee-  This is why I teach to make sales and transactions at your local police department.

Andee-The man selling the bike was lucky his reaction was quicker than their action. Having a gun already drawn on you is a bad time to try to unholster. My guess is the would-be robbers thought he would be an easy target and underestimated him. He was outnumbered and a bit older than them. Guns are the great equalizer.

Rob- What would you do, and what would you tell your students to do?

It’s important to practice drawing your gun. You can do this in your home with your pistol checked and unloaded. Practice clearing your clothing and drawing from the holster. You should start out slow and get good muscle memory of how you will draw, then add speed. Drawing your gun should be quick and smooth but reholstering should be slow and deliberate.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 109 with Tony Simon

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Tony Simon brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. What would you do in these situations?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 109 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Tony Simon as co-host.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been working on getting the 2A4E podcast on iTunes, Anchor, Pocket Cast, Overcast and Radio Public. Finding sponsors for our Minuteman Challenge events.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Tony- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What would you in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Trinity, Alabama.  Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You hear your back door breaking at 2 in the morning. You and your roommate go to investigate. There is an armed stranger in your home. You tell him to get out and he attacks both of you with a knife. You’re cut, but you run and get your gun. You run back to the fight. You start shooting when your roommate gets clear of his attacker.

You call police and ask for medical transport. You and your roommate go to the hospital to have your wounds treated. Your attacker is taken to the morgue. Only three days ago, your attacker was charged with assault, kidnapping and domestic abuse after he attacked his girlfriend.

Rob- What do you see, Tony?

Tony-  The door was locked and the intruder had to make noise breaking into the home. That alerted the residents that there was a problem. Too many people don’t lock their doors because they live in a “good “ neighborhood. Securing your door gives you time to react when a bad guy attempts to get into your home. Good locks, a solid door and a sturdy door frame means your home is harder to crack.

Rob- How much does it cost to buy myself another 30 seconds during a breakin?

Tony- The two roommates went to investigate what they obviously thought could have been a break in. “Plan for the worst and hope for the best.” isn’t just a old saying, it’s good advice. Take your defensive tool with you, in this case they should’ve taken the firearm with them. If it was a false alarm then walking around armed wouldn’t have been a big deal. Having to fight off a knife wielding bad guy is a big deal.

Rob- What about a flashlight?

Tony- Too many people feel a knife isn’t as deadly as a firearm and it’s “unfair” to shoot someone that’s only armed with a knife. A knife is a deadly close combat weapon that you don’t have to be very skilled with to be deadly, it’s as dangerous as a gun at close distances and it doesn’t jam or run out of bullets. When armed with a gun against a knife wielding attacker distance is your ally. If you can move behind something and create distance it’s going to be advantageous for you. A bad guy that has to run around furniture and down a hallway to stab you has a much higher risk of being shot multiple times than a bad guy that only has to take a couple of steps to stab you.

Our second story happened last week in Gainesville, Florida.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you walk home from the movies?

Your family is coming home from a late movie. While the car is parked, a stranger walks up and presents a gun. The robber demands your money and your car. The story isn’t clear if you got out of the car, but you shot the robber several times. The robber ran to a waiting car. The robber and his accomplis drove away and they crashed a few blocks away. The accomplice fled and the attacker died. Police recovered the attacker’s gun at the scene of the crime. Family members blame the robbery victims for the attacker’s injuries.

Tony, what should we do if a group of us are attacked?

Tony-  If your family or usual circle of friends know you carry concealed you need to tell them to not “out “ you as the “good guy with a gun”. You may or may not choose to use your firearm during an armed encounter. You may be able to de-escalate the situation, distract the bad guys or other options.

Tony- This bad guy was shot multiple times with a handgun and he ran away. Handgun wounds usually make people stop what they are doing and run away. Defenders need to be prepared to shoot until the bad guys stop attacking and then stop shooting as soon as they aren’t a threat.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Memphis, Tennessee.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you leave McDonald’s with your child?

It is the middle of the afternoon. You are walking out of the restaurant with your infant in your arms. Four men get out of their car and attack you. You defend yourself. You draw a gun and shoot your attackers. They drive away. All four were arrested for aggravated robbery. One of the robbers was charged for being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Tony-  This is a nightmare that no parent wants to face. Having to use a firearm while holding your child and facing multiple attackers. This requires skills that few people ever practice because they can’t imagine it happening.

Tony- As a armed parents this is a scenario that should be viewed as a possibility. Melody Lauer of Citizens Defense Research is one of the few instructors that teaches how to handle this exact scenario in her class “Contextual Handgun: The Armed Parent“.

Rob- I’ll put a link in the show notes.

Tony- Learning to shoot and move while hitting your target is important as is learning to fire accurately using one hand. These are skills that need to be practiced to become competent doing as an armed citizen.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- My website is Diversityshoot.com You can find me on Instagram and facebook at Simon Says Train and The 2nd is For Everyone.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network. We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 108 with Jeff Street

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Jeff Street brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (17 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 108 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. We have firearms instructor Jeff Street with us as co-host.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been at TacCon, and teaching a lot of people how to draw and re-holster safely

Rob- And I was at the NRA convention.  I also took a medical first responder class. Good stuff, but tourniquets leave bruises. Ouch. Jeff, Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Jeff- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn.  These gun owners survived a life threatening situation because they were armed. What should you do in their place?

Our first story took place last week in Belleview, Florida.  This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You drive up to your home. As you walk  towards the door, you notice a window is broken. Rather than go inside, you call your sister for help. She drives over, and she has her gun. You shout that you’re home, and a man shouts back. He grabs his backpack and runs into the woods. You get a picture of him on your phone.

The police bring a K9 unit and the dog soon finds the burglar. The police find evidence on the intruder, and personal property bagged inside the home. The burglar is charged with burglary and larceny.

The judge initially assigned a 12 thousand dollar bond, but then reviewed the burglar’s criminal history of burglary, grand theft and trafficking in stolen property and revoked bail.

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Alarm?

Didn’t go inside / good

When we 1st arrive home we are in condition yellow (just like outside) until we are satisfied it is safe.

Called armed sister / how about carrying a gun yourself?

How about calling 911?

Yelling “I’m home.” from outside worked out ok this time.

Getting a picture of him on your cell phone / yes be a good witness as long as your not putting yourself into unreasonable danger.

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed on the street?   

You’re a small 23 year old woman. It is about three in the afternoon and you’re walking down the street. A man pushes you from behind. He grabs your purse and tries to run away. You hang on and fight him. He hits you. You draw your handgun and shoot your attacker once in the chest. He starts to run and then falls. You stand there for a minute, then run into a nearby store. You drop your gun as you enter. Another customer steps out of the store and picks it up and brings in inside the store. You call police.

You received your carry permit last year. You bought your gun and started carrying last week.

Jeff- Small woman with the great equalizer (a firearm)

When are they going to start putting gps trackers into purses?

Where was the firearm? Was it in the purse and she managed to get to it in the struggle?

If so probably not the scenario she imagined when she chose purse carry.

We need to think about how we are going to safely re-holster our gun after the incident while under duress.

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In a more perfect purse scenario, nothing of real value is in the purse.  Credit card and defensive tools are on body.

One shot to the chest and the fight was over.  Excellent!

A witness called 911.  He refers to the attacker that is now on the ground as the “victim”.

Once that thought is placed in the 911 operators head, the witness has a difficult time getting through to the 911 operators the reality of the circumstances.

How about saying; to 911 the threat is over I need and ambulance and law enforcement.  The attacker has been shot. The firearm has been secured by a 3rd party. Currently everyone on site is safe.  We need an ambulance for the attacker.

That seems difficult.  What we need to do after hearing a SDGS is to write down and practice what we would say.  We can look it over and think about how the 911 operator will react to our words.

It took her a year after getting a permit to buy a gun.  Maybe she received additional training in the meantime?

Rob- We need to practice what we want to say, and also practice when we need to be quiet.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Mexia, (Meh-hay-ha)Texas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

It is a weekday morning when someone rings your doorbell and wakes you up. You answer the door and the stranger asks if someone lives there. You say that person doesn’t live there and probably never did. You watch the stranger walk away. He walks towards the trees, but doesn’t leave. You lock your door. You wake your teenage daughter and tell her to get your the bedroom with the dogs. Your daughter calls 911.

You hear the crash of breaking glass coming from the front of your house. You grab your gun from the side table and step into the hall. The intruder is back and has a shovel raised over his head.

You point your gun at him and say, “If you take one more step I’ll kill you.” He runs.

You lock your bedroom door and wait for the police. They arrive 14 minutes later. They find the intruder in a nearby trailer park and arrest him for burglary

Jeff-  It was a weekday morning.  Were you expecting company?  Even so make him tell you through the door why they are there?  Don’t open the door and say “you must be the repairman i called”.

Our home owner was not wearing a gun when she answered the door

Our home owner looked through the blinds to see if the creepy guy left.  Creepy guy may have noticed this. Video surveillance cameras would have been handy.

When creepy guy didn’t leave they called 911.  Good move.

You hear a crash of breaking glass. Please get some 3m security film installed.

Grab your gun instead of wearing your gun.

“Take one more step and i will kill you” and the gun pointed at him was enough to change his mind this time.

After all this, it takes 14 minutes for the police to arrive.  When it comes to immediate safety for you and your family, you are on your own.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Jeff- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes. Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 107 with Robyn Street

Can you protect yourself at home, at work, and on the street? Firearms instructor Robyn Street brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves.. and those they love. (18 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 107 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a gun for self-defense, and for those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we have firearms instructor Robyn Street as co-host.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy. Lots of training for myself and for my students.  How have you been doing?

Rob- I’ve been to the range several times, sometimes for my training and sometimes with new students.

Rob- Please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Robyn- We study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they good?  These stories also document cases when an armed citizen was able to defend themselves. We often hear about firearms when they are used to commit violent acts, but we do not often hear when armed citizens survive potentially deadly attacks because they are armed.  Next time you are asked “why do you need a firearm” share one of these stories. Our first story took place last week in Iredell County, North Carolina. Here’s what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It is sunrise on Sunday morning. You hear your dog bark. Your wife and two young kids are asleep, so you pad downstairs to see what is bothering the dog. A man is standing inside your screen porch trying to get into your house. You grab your 22 rifle and walk out the side door. You enter your porch and tell the man to lie down. He does. You call police.

The policeman fights with the suspect to take him into custody. The intruder faces charges of breaking and entering, possession of a Schedule IV controlled substance, possession of drug paraphernalia and resisting a public officer.

Robyn- Not a time or place we would think of being at risk.  We need to be prepared at all times.

Rob- Your back porch on a Sunday morning is usually a place to relax and read the paper.

Robyn- Dogs are a great alarm system.

Rob- Dogs vs electronics?

Robyn- If the intruder is not in the house, then stay safe inside.  Harden your home now so that it can provide the most amount of protection possible.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this case?

Robyn- Have a plan, gather your family in the most defensible location.  Call 911 and get help on the way. 911 is recorded and can be used as evidence if necessary.

Rob- Gun, family, phone..In what order?

Robyn-a 22 rifle might not be the best caliber choice but it beats not having anything.  Several of the people that shoot with us are using 9mm carbines. Some of the carbines even use the same magazines as their pistols.

Rob- What do you like about them?

Robyn – I am glad that it worked out for the homeowner, but it is not our job to hold someone until the police arrive.  The robber was rummaging through his pockets and producing drug paraphernalia. What if he would have had a weapon in his pocket?

Rob- Say more about that.

Robyn- If our homeowner had more training, he would not have held the intruder. If the intruder moved to take something from the intruder’s pockets, the homeowner should have shot him. That is tough to explain in court, and is why we don’t hold suspect for the police.

Robyn- The homeowner mentioned that he did not want to shoot anyone, but that he would if that is what it would take to defend his family.  We need to make that decision now to lessen the likelihood of hesitation if we have to protect ourselves or our family.

Rob- Our homeowner hesitated, but he was safe this time.

Robyn- This  homeowner was lucky, but we can’t count on luck. Our second story happened last week in Tucson, Arizona.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go shopping?   

It is dark outside. You finished your shopping and walk to your car. You set your purse and packages inside. You try to close your car door, but a man has grabbed the door. He tells you to get out of your car and give him the keys. He shouts at you. You grab your gun from your purse. You step out of your car and point your gun at your attacker. He has a hatchet in his hand. You tell him to leave. He raises his hand and you shoot him once in the center of the chest. He falls. You keep your gun on him and shout for people coming out of the store to call police.

Robyn- Don’t hesitate to ask mall security officers or grocery store employees to escort you to your car.  You are less likely to be attacked if you are not alone.

Rob- We hear about that during the Christmas shopping rush, but it happens all the time.

Robyn-If it is “dark” outside have your flashlight in hand and scanning the environment.  It sends a message that you are aware of your environment. Added bonus, the bad person has probably only seen police officers using a flashlight.

Rob- The light says you’re not their usual victim.

Robyn-It appears that the victim was distracted when transitioning to the car.  The attacker was close enough to grab the car door. Be aware and prepared. As soon as possible. Lock the doors, start the car and get out of the parking lot.

Rob- What should we do if we see someone standing in the parking lot and they are not moving towards their car?

Robyn- It would have been better is she could have been the first to call 911.  As I was reading the story, it was mentioned that she held the attacker until the police arrived.  It is not our job to hold the attacker. In most cases, I would say that the victim should get away from the attacker.  The police can catch them later.

Robyn- Our third story happened last week in Saint, Louis Missouri.

 

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re in your bedroom at the back of the house. It is 9:30 at night when you hear shouting from the front door. Then you hear gunshots and you hear one of your housemates shout in pain. You grab your gun and walk toward the noise. An older man who lives at the house is on his knees and looks hurt. A stranger is standing in the front room yelling that he wants his money. The stranger raises his gun and you shoot the intruder. Now he runs. You call police and EMTs.

The police arrest the wounded robber and take him to the hospital.

Robyn- That did not turn out as the robber had planned.  Harden your home to make it difficult for a bad person to get to you.  Keep the doors locked.

Rob- Seconds count. How should we have our gun?

Robyn- I am glad the friends of the victim had immediate access to their firearm.  They did not suffer from disbelief and denial. The situation was bad and they took immediate action to stop the situation.

Rob- This all happened very fast.

Robyn- In this case after the attacker was shot in the leg, the attacker decided to run away.  As he was running away, he was still firing his gun. Another neighbor started to fire at the attacker.  This is very troubling. We are responsible for every round that we fire. You have to know your target, what is around it, behind it and beside it.  Luckily no other bystanders were hit in this exchange. My advise, if the attacker is running away, let him go. As so as it is safe to do so, call the police.  Get help on the way. The police can find him later.

Robyn- The first victim was shot.  This highlights the importance of medical training and medical kits.  You are the first responder for yourself, your family and your friends.

Robyn-We need to train to have good situational awareness, plan for what ifs and worst case scenarios, study the laws, maximize our physical fitness and practice with our firearms to become as proficient as possible.  

Robyn- These stories are a great training tool.  They actually happened to someone else. We know what they did.  What would you do?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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