Episode 98 with Elizabeth Hautman

Can you protect yourself at home and away? Learn how. Elizabeth Hautman brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves and those they love. (15 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 98 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who have one and want to learn more about how to use it.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman as co-host this week.

Hi, Elizabeth.  How have you been?

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been well, a mild winter has been great for students as we shoot in our beautiful winter weather. ????

Rob- Elizabeth, please introduce our podcast.

Elizabeth- Each week we study three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Blakely, Georgia. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?

It is late on a Saturday evening. You arrive home with your 12 year old daughter. Your daughter walks into her room and you head into your room and then the kitchen. The report isn’t clear who noticed it first, but you walk into your daughters room and notice something wrong with her bedroom window. A strange man comes out of your daughter’s closet. You yell at him and he attacks you. You fight with him..with the spoon you have in your hand. You and your daughter retreat. You get your gun and shoot your attacker. He stumbles away. Some news reports say you used a shotgun. Others say you could have used a handgun.

Now you and your daughter retreat to your bedroom and lock the door.  You call 911. The police find your attacker outside and unresponsive.

Your attacker was a convicted sex offender. His car was located a few blocks away behind a motel.

Elizabeth- Slow start. Good finish. POGO.

Elizabeth- Our second story happened last week in Dekalb County, Georgia.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you go shopping?

You want to buy a bottle of liquor. You drive to the store and start comparing brands. The store owner and another employee are getting ready to close. You make your selection and move towards the cash register. Three men enter the store and announce a robbery. They point guns at the clerk and the store owner. You’re armed. One of the robbers shoots the store owner. You draw your firearms and shoot the robber in the back. The robber stops attacking the store owner. You shoot at the next robber closest to you. The third robber is out the door before you can shoot at him.

Police arrive and take you in for questioning. The store owner and two of the robbers are taken to the hospital.

Elizabeth- All your examples last week were about armed citizens defending others. Good for them, and good for this man as well. It is clear that self-defense was justified because the robber shot the store owner.

Rob- Hospital or morgue.

Elizabeth- He was armed. He saw a lethal threat. He saved a life.

Rob- Are you justified in shooting all three robbers even though only one of them shot the store owner?

Elizabeth- Our third story happened last week in Ada, Oklahoma.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?

You’re asleep in your bed. It is three AM when you hear something unexpected from inside your home. It is the sound of breaking glass. You roll out of bed and grab your gun from your nightstand. You walk into your house. The intruder is using a flashlight to look around your home. You yell at him when you hear him shoot at you several times.  You return fire and shoot your attacker. He runs. You are very shaken, but uninjured.

The police find your attacker as he was driving away with his accomplice. The two men are connected to 10 other burglaries. Your attacker has several felony charges against him including domestic abuse. Your attacker’s sons are in prison for murder or awaiting trial for murder.

Elizabeth- There are bad guys out there.

Elizabeth- This homeowner put his life at risk by investigating a breakin. Let the police do that. Lock your door. Call the police. You want to have a broken window and a smashed in door so the police know you were defending yourself.

Elizabeth- Insurance?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Elizabeth-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Episode 97 with Ben Branam

Can you protect yourself away from home? Learn how. Ben Branam brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected other people. (16 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 97 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who have one and want to learn more.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Ben Branam as co-host this week.

Hi, Ben.  How have you been?

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been really busy with my day job.  We had fun with Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio. (Starting here)  On this podcast, we study three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re walking on the street?

You’re a woman in your thirties. It is mid-morning and you’re walking down the street. You hear a woman scream. You see a man attacking the woman who delivers your mail. The attacker has the mailwoman down on the ground and is pulling at her clothes. You yell for him to stop. He won’t. You step near the attacker, draw your gun, and shoot into the ground. Now the man stops attacking the woman.  He stands up and runs at you. You shoot into the ground in front of him. He stops and runs away. You turn back to the victim of the sexual assault and ask her if she is ok. She is shaken. The police arrive in minutes and tell you to put the gun down. You follow their instructions. The police find the attacker in a nearby alley.

Ben- Great that our defender was armed. She had a gun on her so she could help herself and other people who clearly needed it.

Rob- How do we know the mail carrier needed help?

Ben- She was mounted with a larger attacker on top of her. The mail carrier faced a lethal threat or great bodily harm. Rape is considered great bodily harm.

Rob- And that is the legal justification for using lethal force?

Ben- Yes. If someone is trying to kill you, you can shoot them to defend yourself. If someone is trying to choke you unconscious or rape you, you can shoot them to defend yourself.

Rob- But they weren’t attacking me or the armed defender.

Ben- Right. You have the right to use lethal force because the sexual assault victim had that right. You are doing it for her. You’re acting like a bodyguard and you get your legal justification from the rights of the victim.

Rob- Because the mail carrier had the right to defend herself, I have the right to defend her?

Ben- Exactly. I wish that this defender had been in my class because we talk about that. She would have known that she could shoot the attacker rather than shoot near him.

Rob- Could you say more about that?

Ben- Not right now. We’ll talk about warning shots later. I want to go back to what the defender did correctly. She followed the instructions that the police gave her. They said put the gun down. She complied immediately and didn’t argue. That is not the time to explain that you’re the good person. Drop your gun so the police don’t shoot you.  They are going to secure the scene before they do anything else. The faster you comply the faster the police can help the sexual assault victim.

Rob- Is there more.

Ben- Lots more, but I’ll save some of it for the next story. Our second story happened last week in Actworth, Georgia.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you are out to eat?

It is very early Saturday morning. You’re having breakfast at a restaurant. You look up as two men enter in hurry. They are wearing hoodies..and have guns drawn. They demand the money from the cash register. They are pointing their guns at the clerk behind the counter. You’re armed. You draw your firearm and shoot at the robbers. They run. You check on the clerk and call police.

Ben- Good he had a gun. Draw from a seated position at a table. Similar to presenting when you’re in your car.

Why miss? Don’t send warning shots. Justified or not. Civilians can’t use a firearm as a tool of intimidation.  That is what the bad guys do.  We don’t do that.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Springville, Utah.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving your car?

You’re driving on Main Street just after noon. This has to be the safest place in the world at the safest time of day. You look over and see a police car with its light flashing. The officer is on the ground and another man is on top of him hitting the police officer. You stop your car and get out. You have your carry permit. You’re armed. You shout for the attacker to stop. He doesn’t. You draw your gun and then the attacker stops. He runs away. Police arrive and you put your gun away.

The injured police officer was taken to the hospital with broken bones in his face. The attacker was arrested and has a lengthy police record..

Ben- This is the week for stories about helping a third party.

Rob- I knew you could handle it.

Ben- We have an unarmed mail carrier. A clerk in a waffle house, and an armed cop.

Rob- And more.

Ben- That’s right. Each of the victims were at risk of death or great bodily injury.

Rob- and no one died in each case, so what is going on here?

Ben- Remember how we get our justification from the victim? We’re betting our freedom that the person we think is the victim didn’t start the fight. The mail carrier didn’t start the fight. The clerk behind the counter at Waffle house didn’t start the fight. Here, the police officer didn’t start the fight. The presumption of innocence is pretty strong in this case. That might not be true for your uncle Bob.

Rob- Was our armed responder justified in shooting and perhaps killing the attacker?

Ben- Being on your back and being hit means the attacker has a disparity of force.

Exit-  Rob- Ben, that wraps up this episode. Thank you for helping us today. Where can we learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 96 with Amanda Suffecool

Can you protect yourself at work, at home, and as you travel? Learn how. Amanda Suffecool brings us three news stories of armed civilians who protected themselves and those they love. (18 minute audio podcast)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 96 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Amanda Suffecool with us to co-host this week..

Amanda, you were gone last week at the the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade show in Las Vegas.  How have you been?

Amanda- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been great.  Spent a week at SHOT and got to see the best that the industry has to offer.  

Rob- You have a fundraising event coming up in about 5 weeks.

Amanda- Yes I do –  We at REALIZE firearms awareness coalition are pleased to announce the 4th annual Preppers Ball.   Where we educate, entertain and give away great prizes.   PreppersBall.com is the website and if you are in Northeastern Ohio near 3/10 consider joining us.  If not – just buy a ticket and get in on the great prizes.   We are giving away a seriously blinged out AR by deltonics that has Offhand gear style added to it.   We are also giving away a suppressor – winners choice of a Torrent Suppressor or a Texas Silencer AND the tax stamp application fee – this along with 10,000$ in prizes.   

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Rob- Amanda, please introduce our podcast.

Amanda- Each week we study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Our first story took place last week near Saint Paul, Minnesota. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  

It is early evening. You and your partner are at work. You own and operate a liquor store. Two masked men come through the front door with their faces covered. That isn’t too surprising. It is dark and cold outside with the temperature in the 20s and falling fast. Except the two men don’t stop at the door and pull off their gloves and hats. They leave their ski-masks on and rush to the back of the store. They announce a robbery. One of the robbers pulls out a gun and points it at you.  Your partner is working at the back of the store. The robbers hit her. She screams. You have your Minnesota permit to carry. You’re armed and the gun is on your hip. You move to get  a better view. You draw your gun and shoot the robber attacking your partner. Both robbers run away. You run to your partner and see if she is hurt. You call the police and an ambulance. They take your partner to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

The police find her attacker a few blocks away.  He died at the hospital. The robber recently move to the Saint Paul area from Chicago..where he had a criminal history for theft.

Amanda- Great that he was armed. It was essential that the gun was within reach. At work, you could be out on the floor stocking your shelves. At home, you could be in the back bath or in the kid’s rooms. Your gun needs to be with you..or you are disarmed.

Rob- the drawer next to the safe in the back office wasn’t close enough?

Amanda- It wasn’t this time. You’re depending on luck to save your life..and that is a bad plan.

Rob- Do your students say, “I have a gun so I’m safe.” even though the gun is unloaded on a dusty closet?

Amanda-  There are some that do – and others that say, I will surely have time to rack the slide and put one in the pipe….  No, you will not.

Rob- Do we have the right to shoot someone if we’re not being attacked?

Amanda-  In Ohio,  there is a fine line between defending one-self and acting as an “auxiliary police officer” but in this case – yes,  you can defend your partners life with your firearm.  

Rob- This takes some thought and some practice. You don’t want to shoot your partner, but they are right next to their attacker.

Amanda- a steady hand and practice.   Practice.  Close enough, is not necessarily good enough.  

Amanda- Our second story happened last week in Wooster, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at your girlfriend’s old house?   

Your fiance left some of her things at her old house. She asks you to go by and pick them up for her. You get there after dark and let yourself in. When you do, you see a stranger inside her old home. You notice some of her things have been moved around. You shout at him and ask him what he’s doing there. He grabs a bottle and hits you in the head.

You shoot him in the stomach and back out of the house.

You call police.

Amanda-   this is in my backyard.   When you think of this – it was a shooting during a struggle while someone is hitting you in the head with something.   THIS is the reason that Pants On, Gun On is a good rule

Our third story happened last week in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you open your store in the morning?

You run a coin shop. You turn off the alarm and unlock the front door. Two people push in behind you before you have the door closed. You turn and see them, one man and one woman. The man has a gun and it is pointed at you. They push you into the store. the front door swings closed and you hear it lock. The armed robber looks at the coins you’ve left out on display. You are armed. You step behind the counter and draw your handgun. You shoot your attacker. He falls and drops his gun. His female accomplice tries to run, but the front door is locked. The wounded attacker tries to leave, but can’t. You hold both robbers at gunpoint and call police.

Amanda-  WOW –  think about it.  Morning,  juggling your starbucks, briefcase, lunch box and a myriad of other things that are in your hand.   The one thing that struck me about this was that the store owner had the opportunity to step backwards – giving himself some space.  And then drawing his firearm.     

 

Amanda- I love happy endings to what could have been a horrible day at work.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amanda, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Amanda- You can find me at eye on the target radio radio. I have two radio programs and I instruct on the weekends.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page. 

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Episode 95 with Tony Simon

Instructor Tony Simon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (18 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 95 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a firearm, and for those who already have one and want to know how to use it.  I’m your host, Rob Morse.  We have firearms instructor Tony Simon with us as co-host this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been at home sick. I’ve been getting our training schedule and the Diversity Shoot schedule ready for 2018. And building “Rob’s Rifle“ a AR15 especially dedicated to introducing new shooters to the rifle at our events.

Rob- Tony, please introduce our podcast.

Tony- Each week we study three recent examples of armed defense to see what we can learn. Our first story took place last week in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story- Are you armed at home?

You are at home with your family. You’ve cleaned up after dinner. You hear your son shout. He says a stranger just came in and walked upstairs. You believe him. You say hide, and the kids scatter. You dash upstairs and get your gun. Then, you go door to door looking for someone who doesn’t belong here. You find him in your daughter’s room. The stranger took his clothes off. You order him to show his hands. His hands are empty. You order him to lie down and he complies. Your wife calls police. They arrive in minutes.

Police say the man has mental problems and had broken into several other homes.

Tony, what can we learn from this?

Tony- This is every parents nightmare. Good that he was armed with the mindset and tools to defend his home.

Rob- What would happen if dad didn’t have a gun?

Tony- Dad would have had to defend himself with his bare hands or a random item that he picked up as he searched his home for an intruder. That’s a horrible self-defense plan. He and his family seemed to have had a plan that was realistic. During the day his family was scattered throughout the home. The plan that you have for a midnight break in, when your entire family is in one part of the home, can’t be the same plan as when they’re in multiple areas.

Rob- So Dad had to go door to door to find the bad guy.

Tony- I think his son told him that the intruder went into his sister’s room.  There are a few things the family could have done better.

Rob- Tell me what do you see.

Tony-  Develop a culture of safety and security in your home. That starts with locking your doors. Many families have fire extinguishers that everyone knows how to use.  Some even practice fire drills. Locking the doors is the easiest step in keeping out unwanted guest. It may be a pain to have to keep unlocking the door with kids running around but imagine what could have happened if no one saw the stranger enter the home. He was nude and in the daughter’s room.

Rob- I think you’re right.

Tony- Also, POGO (Pants On, Gun On). Keeping your firearm on you should be a part of your security plan.  Here’s statistical data that’s easy to remember 100% of home invasions take place inside the home. Everyone chuckles when I  say that in classes but it is an obvious fact. There may not be a warning that a bad guy has entered your home. In this case dad would have to choose to leave his family with a dangerous naked man to go to get his firearm or stay and fight a naked man. I work in prison, even trained officers don’t want to fight the naked guy.

Rob- So dad was lucky.

Tony- Dad did a lot of the right things. We can learn from him and do even better.

Rob- Lots of people got guns for Christmas. Many of them made a new year’s resolution to learn self-defense. Talk to me about living with kids and guns in the same house.

Tony- Your self-defense guns should be loaded and on your body. If they are not on your body they should be secured in a quick access safe, secured in Concealment Furniture or secured so they can’t be picked up.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Amarillo, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

You’re the assistant manager at a small restaurant. It is late at night, but not that late. You’re usually open until 1AM. You hear one of your cooks shout from the back of the kitchen. You peak in and expect to deliver the usual lecture about horseplay. Instead, you see two strangers. One of them has ahold of one of your young cooks, and the second stranger is coming through the back doorway. They have a gun pointed at your cook. You’re armed. You shoot twice. The attacker lets go of your cook, but still has his gun. You shoot again. The robber drops his gun and falls to the floor. You look for the second robber, but he’s gone out the back door the way he came.

Tony- Not only did our good guy have a gun, he had it exactly when, where he needed it and had the skills needed to end a hostage situation.

Rob- So he carried. It wasn’t in the back office or on top of the safe.

Tony- Yes he carried and most likely he practiced.

Rob- Tell me more.

Tony- Many people hear this story and think it’s simple. See bad guy. Shoot bad guy. End of scenario. Not true at all. First the manager got his carry permit then carried the firearm on his person at all times. He truly believed that he needed to carry his life saving tool on him. I’m assuming that he got more training than a carry class because of how he handled himself. He heard “a shout” from the kitchen, that could have been anything, a hot pan burning someone or horseplay. He walked in the room to two bad guys and a hostage situation. He recognized that this was a life threatening situation, not a practical joke or a YouTube video. Drew from concealment, shot the bad guy,  accessed the situation, saw the bad guy was still was a threat and shot him some more.

Rob- that is a lot to think about.

Tony- Yes and it takes forethought and practice to be able to take in information, process that information, determine your course of action then perform that action. Along with  follow-up action if necessary.

Rob- And our manager did all that?

Tony- He did it like a champ. He shot an armed person that was holding another person hostage in a crowded kitchen. This wasn’t a range day or a class. This was his job. He had to snap into the correct mindset immediately.

Rob- That is what you teach your students?

Tony-  We teach using the crawl – walk- run method. After you leave class it’s up to them to practice what they learned. Dry fire practice and regular range practice helps develop the skills used by the manager.

Rob- Like driving a car or riding a bicycle. You practice until it becomes an unconscious reflex.

Tony- Exactly.

Rob- Let’s go on.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Jefferson, West Virginia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re around your home?  

You are 82 years old and you’re working in your garage. You hear a crash behind you. A young stranger broke through your garage window. He shouts at you to give him your keys and your wallet. You step back. You’re armed. Your attacker steps toward you. You draw your gun and fire. Now the attacker stops. You step into your house and call the police.

Tony-  A 24 year old man shouldn’t have a problem taking anything he wants from any 82 year old.  Colt firearms had an advertisement for the Colt Peacemaker in the 1870’s “God created all men, Colonel Colt made them equal”. An armed victim isn’t a  victim for long.

Rob- Why would an 82 year old man go armed in his garage early in the morning?

Tony- Because 100% of home invasions take place inside the home. By 82 most people have a good read on what they can and can’t do. Fighting off bad guys by hand is one of those things that will be on my “don’t do” list well before I’m 82.

Rob- Your garage early in the morning isn’t some place dangerous.

Tony- It was this morning.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can we learn more about you?

Tony- I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train. My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram and at The Second is for Everyone.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Our number of downloads dropped over the hollicays, so please share this podcast with a friend. Leave us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 94 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins Rob this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? What would you do in their situation? (17 minute audio)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 94 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host. This is Andee’s second podcast with us. We talked about a month ago. Happy birthday, and how have you been?

Andee- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been very busy! December is usually a slow month for teaching classes but this December I was overwhelmed by requests for private and group lessons. It was awesome to see so many people taking training as a serious part of concealed carry and personal safety. I taught a mother and her teenager, a group of homeschoolers, a group of moms and a few mixed classes with husbands and wives as well as a few others. I also saw an increase in people purchasing gift certificates for their loved ones to take classes which is great.

Rob- That is great. We have some feedback that our podcast sounds scripted. Yes, it is. I’m here every week, but our instructors are only with me once every few months. We record for about a half hour, and then cut it down to 15 minutes. I could play 15 minutes of jokes and bloopers, or we could talk about self-defense. Thank you for the comment and we are both becoming more relaxed with practice.

Andee, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Andee- We talk about three recent examples of armed defense each week. Our first story took place last week in Snellville, GA. This is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re in your car?  

It is the season. The new cell phones are out and it is after Christmas. Many people are selling their old phones. You put an ad on Craigslist. The buyer agrees to meet at a Walmart parking lot. You park under a light and wait for the buyer to arrive. Two men walk up. One of them asks if you have the phone for sale. The other man one pulls a gun out of his pocket and demands your phones..and your wallet.

You are a licensed concealed carrier. You’re armed. You jump out of your car. You keep moving and shoot the armed robber closest to you. Your two attackers run to a waiting car. You run inside the Walmart and call police.

Police arrest all three men when they seek treatment at a local hospital. They are in jail charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault, possession of firearm during the commission of a felony and obstruction of justice for lying to police about what happened.

Andee- be armed

Rob- Three robbers approach you as you sit in your car. Those are bad odds.

Andee- They are, but we can make them better. Have your seatbelt off so you can move.

Rob- What else do you notice?

Andee- The defender shot the robber three times in the arm that held the gun. It’s possible he was either flinching while pulling the trigger or focusing on the gun in the robber’s hand. We often focus on the gun even when we should aim for high-center of the chest area. It takes training to overcome that habit. It’s a natural instinct to focus on the weapon because it poses the greatest threat. It helps to use realistic targets of a person with a gun or a knife.

Rob- What are realistic targets? We’re not practicing shooting at real people, are we?

Andee- Silhouette targets vs picture of people.

That way we learn to recognize the weapon and, at the same time, practice shooting at the center of mass. We also tend to practice on stationary targets from the same position at the same distance.  Most armed defense happens between 5-15 feet feet and it happens very fast. That isn’t how we practice.

Rob- When you try that with your students at the range, what do you see?

Andee- Most people practice at about 30-50 feet and at a slow pace. Shooting at further distances gives us the impression that we have more time to react. I want us to practice drawing and shooting at close targetes. A great training tool is a shot timer. It applies a little stress and also measures our progress.

Rob- What else did you notice.

Andee- We don’t know why he exited the vehicle, it may be easier to draw the pistol because drawing from a sitting position in a vehicle can be a challenge.  I wonder if he could have driven away, but we don’t know the whole story.   He may have turned his vehicle off or the robbers could have blocked him in. This is where a vehicle tactics class can be very helpful in knowing what to do in different situations.

Finding a training class that offers shooting on the move, moving targets and vehicle tactics can really help you. I help teach a force-on-force class with Simunition (which is a plastic bullet shot through real firearms often used by law enforcement and military training). In this type of class we test people on how they would react to different scenarios a lot like this one. Even though you know it’s just acting and the bullets won’t kill you, your adrenaline builds up and the stress becomes real when you are engaging with someone who’s acting as though they want to hurt you. I highly recommend this type of training to learn your own capabilities and see where you need improvement, and it’s a LOT of fun!

Rob- Wow. That is a lot to learn. How much training and practice would you need before you took a force-on-force class?

Andee- Our second story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you arrive home?  It is getting dark as you arrive home. You’re stepping off the street when a young man hurries up and asks you what time it is.  His hands come out of his pockets and he has a gun pointed at you. He demands your wallet. You hand over everything you have. You’re almost. You’re a licensed concealed carrier and you’re armed. The robber is stuffing his pockets as you draw your firearm. Your first shot misses. Your second shot hits your attacker in the head. You get your keys and your phone and call police. The police take the robbers gun.

Andee-Great that he was armed. That is a problem in Chicago since so many places in the city demand that victims be disarmed.

Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country yet they are one of the highest ranking cities for gun crimes. I’m thankful to live in a state where our gun laws let us carry and the percentage of gun related crimes are very low. Criminals don’t usually like to take chances. They chose targets that they see as weak.

Rob- For example, people are often attacked as they get off public transportation.

Andee- This man in his 50s was seen as an easy target by the 23 year old who tried to rob him. This victim was prepared and thankfully he carried his gun with him while traveling to and from his home. He was approached by the would-be attacker and was threatened. The victim drew his gun and fired. Speed was an essential so he could defend himself before the attacker could shoot him. This is why practice is important, you may only have a second before your life could be taken from you, under stress you rely on muscle memory and that comes from practice.

I want you to carry everyday. Recently, a friend of mine was coming out of his work, a man came out of nowhere and jumped him. His gun was in his car. Thankfully, he was also well trained in self defense. He quickly took control of the situation leaving with a few bumps and bruises and leaving his attacker in a lot worse state. But his lesson was learned: ALWAYS carry your gun.

It would be great to know your neighbors so you didn’t have to touch the robber.

Rob- What do you mean?

Andee- The robber might have had the man’s cell phone.

Rob- Right.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Oregon

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

It is closing time. You’re behind the counter at U-Haul. You have another employee and a customer in the store when a second customer walks in. He shouts for everyone to hand over their money. He draws his gun and points it at you. You’re armed too. You step behind the cash register and open the till.  You also turn to the side. You draw your gun and shoot the robber. He drops his gun, turns and falls. You shout for everyone to follow you and you step back out of the store into the back room. You call police.  The police  interview the other witnesses and look at the security camera videos.

Portland [OR] Police Bureau spokesman Sgt. Chris Burley said “..we..realize that if you feel like your life is in danger or someone else’s life is in danger, a person may need to protect themselves.”

Andee-  Protect yourself..and others. Some people have this thought that if you’re being robbed you should just give up your valuables. While this makes sense, as your life is more important than your valuables, you don’t know whether the robber is willing to leave witnesses or even if the robber is thinking clearly. Sometimes robbers get upset when you are unable to give them what they are looking for and will shoot you even if you follow their commands. When someone is pointing a gun at you, they are making a threat to take your life and that threat is enough to justify using your firearm to keep yourself and those around you safe.

Rob- Does that mean the clerk was justified in shooting first?

I think it’s important to note the man behind the counter didn’t just jump into action by drawing his pistol immediately. That would have most likely gotten him shot. He acted like he was going to give the gunman what he was demanding and got behind the cash register. He used that cover and distraction to draw and fire his gun taking the gunman off guard. This may have saved our defender from injury or death. It’s important to keep calm and use our brains before drawing our guns.

Rob- You expect me to think when someone points a gun at me?

Rob- What do you tell your students who want to know more about the laws regarding self-defense.

Andee- Go to the laws for concealed carry online or talk to your lawyer.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- You’re collecting donations for some people who NEED training. Andee- https://www.thrivenewengland.org/

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 93 with David Cole

Instructor David Cole joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 93 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse. Firearms instructor David Cole is our co-host this week. Hi, David.  How have you been?

David- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been…a little chilly.

Rob- One of our listeners asked us to post information about the type of firearms used in these examples. That is a great idea, and we will include that information when we can. David, please introduce our podcast.

David- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Putnam County, West Virginia. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’re a grandmother and a widow. You live alone. You’re asleep in bed.  It is after midnight when you hear someone trying to pry open your bedroom window. You walk to your dresser and grab your gun. You pull open the blinds and point your gun at the attempted robber. The robber falls over. You see him scramble to his feet and run away. You call police.

David- Sounds like this criminal was lucky to escape. We certainly can’t fault this woman’s mindset…she was definitely ready to do business.

Rob- She didn’t ignore the problem and hope it would go away. It looks like she kept her gun in a dresser drawer. Is that a good idea if she was a grandma with grandkids?

David- While she might want to consider different storage options for her firearms (check out the video) it was great that she challenged the suspect verbally. She didn’t have to kill anyone, and this would prevent a tragedy in a case of mistaken identity. A good flashlight could help, too. It’s also good that she called police, even though the suspect ran away.

Rob- The intruder was only feet away when she surprised him.

Rob- Do you talk about this situation with your students?

David- Our second story happened last week in Akron, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?   

You’re a pharmacist. You own and operate your own store. It is 9 in the morning and you unlock your front door.  You’re behind the counter when you see three men dressed in black rush inside. Two of them jump over your counter. They pull out bags and start grabbing drugs. One of them shouts for you not to move and reaches for his pocket. So do you. You shoot at the two attackers closest to you. The three men run from the store. You call police.

You give your address and a description of the get-away car. Police arrest one man when he goes to the hospital for treatment of gunshot wounds.

David- Good job in a difficult situation…three on one. Good thing he had a gun handy.

Rob- People sore guns lots of places. The company safe or the cash drawer wouldn’t have worked if there were already guns pointed at you.

David- It would be easy to say that it would be better had he acted before two of them got behind the counter, but it sounds like it happened very fast. He tried cooperating until he felt they may try to harm him, but then acted decisively.

Rob- We talk about tactical patience. That means you wait until you have time to act.  That assumes you’ve practiced so you know how much time you need. Did our defender simply run out of options so he went for it against three robbers?

David- Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when walking on the street?

It is the day after Christmas. You walk out of a store on the southside of Chicago.  It is a little after 6pm, and it is already dark and cold. A man walks up to you. He pulls a gun out of his jacket pocket and tells you to hand it over. You reach into your pants pocket and grab your wallet. Your wallet contains your Illinois Firearms Owners Identification Card. It also contains your Concealed Carry License. You’re armed.

You hand the robber your wallet. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker in the chest. The attacker drops his gun, and you step back inside the store to call police.

David-  This is a tough one, mostly for the decision the citizen had to make. Good thing he was prepared to make it.

Rob- Why was this a hard decision?

David- On one hand, the robber had the wallet, and some might say it is over at that point, and you should just let him leave. On the other hand, the news story doesn’t indicate that the robber had shown any inclination to leave, although he had pulled a gun on his intended victim. Personally, I would not trust that person not to harm me, and it appears our victim felt the same. I don’t blame him.

Rob- We’re depending on a robber to be honest and keep his part of the bargain. Is that a good plan?

David- We’re hearing more self defense gun stories out of Chicago these days. That’s good.

Rob- Giving the robber the wallet was a distraction. What do your students have to learn before they can quickly and confidently present a loaded firearm from inside a winter coat?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

David- Our listeners can find me at Black Man With A Gun and on my Aegis Solutions Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 92 with Elizabeth Hautman

Instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 92 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman is our co-host this week.

Hi, Elizabeth. I hope you had a great vacation, a happy Christmas, and a happy new year.

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been enjoying time off with my family.  This is the best time of the year.  I feel like I can reset  and hit the ground running for 2018.

Rob- Elizabeth, please introduce our podcast to our new listeners.

Elizabeth- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week near Wilmington, North Carolina. Here is what happened.

Rob- First story-  Do you have a firearm nearby when you sleep at night?  

You live in a mobile home by yourself. You hear a crashing sound early in the morning. At least you thought you heard it. It was loud enough and it shook the whole building. Did you imagine it? Now you hear voices outside. Someone has broken into your home. You grab your firearm and move from your bedroom toward the sound. You see two strangers in your home. You shout for them to get out. One of them shoots at you. You shoot back. Both men run. You back up to your bedroom and call police.

The police tell you that your attacker was a three time felon who had a gun.

Elizabeth- Good that he locked his doors. An alarm would be even better.  I really believe that at a crazy hour in the morning, it is difficult to recognize a threat.  Our homeowner, got over his/her disbelief and accessed their firearm.

 Good that he had a gun, knew where it was, and what condition it was in, ready to fire.

Elizabeth- This is why the castle doctrine is so important. These robbers were armed. You don’t have to announce yourself to a team of armed robbers as you’re standing there in your underwear. That is bad planning. I tell my students to get their gun, call the police, and then wait in their bedroom so you force the robbers to come to you!

Rob- It seems like a pretty vulnerable position if you walk out of your bedroom and yell at a bunch of armed robbers while you’re standing in the middle of your kitchen in your underwear.

Elizabeth- A pre thought out plan may have kept the homeowner safer when bullets were flying.  In my home, there is nothing besides me and my family worth bleeding over.  If someone wants the 10 year old television, I am not going to risk getting in their way.  So my plan is to stay between bad guys and the kids, no more.  I set up a defensive position and wait.  If I had not planned or thought about this in advance, it would be easy to chase people through my house, possibly exposing my family to danger.

 

Rob- If you stay in your bedroom, are you justified in shooting them as they come through your bedroom door?

Elizabeth- You forced them to come through your doorway. You don’t have to announce where you are.  That is up to you.  If bad guys are entering my bedroom, through that fatal funnel, the doorway, I will be ready.

Our second story happened last week near Houston, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home when you’re up late at night?

You are up late at night. You’ve put your three month old daughter to bed. Your husband is out of town, and you can’t sleep. It is just after midnight when you hear your alarm sound. You’re suddenly wide awake and you hear the back door open. You grab your gun and move toward the sound. You see a stranger standing in your kitchen. You raise your firearm and yell for him to leave. Your dog runs toward him barking. The man leaves the way he came.

Now you lock the doors and call police. She says she’d practiced getting her gun before.

Elizabeth- Lock the back door.

Rob- The story could have been very different if she didn’t hear the alarm. It could have been much better if the robber

Elizabeth- Have your gun on you. What if they broke through the front door and your daughter and your gun were on the other side of the house?  Again, I would get between my daughter and the intruder.  I won’t chase a bad guy, I will let the intruder come to me.

Rob- It sounds like she needed to go get her gun.

Elizabeth- A dog is a good alarm, but a real electronic alarm doesn’t go off each time the mailman goes by.

Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  

Your family owns a small corner grocery. You also own a small cell phone store a few doors down the street. You have video cameras in both stores. You notice the motion and look up to see an armed robber walk into your brother’s store. He is pointing a gun at your brother an another employee. You run out the door and draw your gun. You brace yourself behind a concrete post and yell for the thief to drop his gun. He turns and shoots at you. You shoot back. You hit the thief in the shoulder and he drops his gun. You stand over him with your gun drawn while your brother calls the police.

You have your concealed carry permit. The police look at the videos. The teenage robber was out on parole. It was illegal for him to have a gun, and illegal for the robber to carry concealed firearm in public.

Elizabeth- I notice that criminals don’t obey gun laws.  As is often the case.

Rob- What else should we learn from this story?

Elizabeth- The store owner was alerted by a video camera.  That is great.  It was also great that the store owner had his gun on him because he didn’t have time to get it from a safe or a locked drawer.  

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this situation?

Elizabeth- Bad tactics in getting into a gun fight because you talked when you should have been shooting. Good tactics in hiding behind a concrete pillar.  Also marksmanship played a role in this scenario as well.  

Rob- When are we justified in using lethal force, and was it justified? The robber hadn’t shot anyone yet.

Elizabeth- There is a time to talk, and a time to shoot. It is a time to shoot when your brother and an innocent employee are facing a lethal threat. Keep shooting until the threat goes away.

Rob- What do you say to the police?

Say your family was attacked. The robber shot at you. You defended them. Let the video do the talking if you can. Contact your lawyer and say you’ll answer all their questions and help with the investigation after you’ve talked with your lawyer. You want to point out obvious evidence, but that is a slippery slope.  

Rob- Why is that a problem.

What you said may not be exactly what happened. The patrolman’s written record may not match exactly what you told him. Wait until you speak with your lawyer. Your lawyer will ask to see the tapes before he makes a statement to the police.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Elizabeth-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

DRGO

 

Episode 91 with Jeff Street

Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 91 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Jeff Street is our co-host this week..

Jeff, please introduce our podcast.

Jeff- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed defense. Our first story took place last week in Chicago, Illinois. Here is the story.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at a convenience store?  

You work at as a night clerk. Three young men enter your store shortly before midnight. All of them are wearing masks or bandanas over their face. One of them pulls a gun out of his pocket. He points the gun at you and demands the money from the cash register. You draw your gun and shoot the armed robber with the gun. Then, you aim at the robber nearest you, but he is running from the store with his other accomplice. You step into the back of the store and call police.

The same store was robbed last week. You (was it the same clerk?)  gave them your money and the robbers left. A clerk in North Carolina was murdered after he gave the robbers / thieves the money they demanded.

Jeff- These robbers were not expecting resistance.  Earlier when the store was robbed it was only one unmasked robber.

 In order to rob you there has to be an immediate  credible threat of death or serious bodily harm.  

These are the same requirements that justify your use of deadly force.

It was a gut shot, but it worked.  Don’t count on that.  In most cases a high center chest shot is what we are looking for.  

Our second story happened last week in East Chicago.

Rob- Second story- Are you armed at a cell phone store?

You work at a cell phone store.  The store is busy since it is early in the evening. A customer dashes up to the counter. You are are in the show area of the store and not behind the counter. Now you notice that the customer is wearing a mask and has a gun pointed at the clerk behind the counter. The robber demands the money from the cash register. The clerk complies and gives the robber the money. You shoot the robber and he falls to the floor. Several of you call police.

Jeff- Falling to the floor is a fairly good indication of compliance. This was a headshot by a security guard Not a security monitor.  I’m sure the Robber cased the the store before deciding to rob it.  Yet there was an armed guard?  Maybe the armed guard was in plain clothes?  Keep your Gun on him until you are absolutely sure that he is no longer a threat.  If you can move into a position where you can cover him without him being able to see what your doing and you can see his hands, then do so.  Then call 911.  Even if someone else already called you need your voice recorded calling 911.  As of now the robber is in the hospital and yet unidentified so im guessing he is in a comma.

Our third story happened last week in Chicago.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you arrive home?  

It is a few hours after midnight. You’re parking your car. As you stop the car in the parking lot, and stranger approaches you. You get out of your car and the stranger draws a gun and tries to rob you. You have your Illinois concealed carry permit. You’re armed. You present your firearm and shoot your attacker once in the chest. You run away and call police.

Jeff- Chest shot Great Shot Placement.  

Jeff- Parking lots are dangerous places even at home.  As i’m slowing my car to parking speed i unbuckle my seatbelt.  Whenever possible i back my car in.  With the doors still locked i take a look around using my mirrors and windows, before i turn off the engine.  If it’s at all dark i grab my flashlight before I get out of the car.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can wish us merry christmas on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can wish us a merry christmas on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music and spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories, and merry christmas to all.

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Episode 90 with Robyn Street

Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

 

 

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 90 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us as to co-host this week..

Robyn, please introduce us to our new listeners.

Robyn- We discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense each week. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments. Our first story took place last week in San Antonio, Texas. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re out to eat with your family?

You and your family are eating at Popeye’s Chicken. Actually, you’re waiting for two of your children to finish washing their hands in the bathroom. It is after 8 in the evening when a man walks up to the cash register and demands money. He is wearing a mask. Now you realize that the store is being robbed. The employees run out the back of the store. The robber turns to you as you and your family. You ask if you can leave. He says no. He demands your money. Then the robber waves his gun at you and your children. The robber looks back at the cash register for a moment. You present your handgun and shoot the masked robber several times. You and your family run from the restaurant. You can barely talk and someone else calls police for you.

Robyn- So glad he was armed.  Be aware of alternate exits when you enter a room.  There is a tactical advantage to seating placement and type.

Rob- It isn’t like our defender could run away and leave some of his family behind.

Robyn- Give the robber your wallet..even if it is empty.  But remember that compliance does not guarantee safety.

Rob- Your wallet..or the store cash register is something else for the robber to think about; something besides shooting you. Is it appropriate to shoot the robber in the back if he turns away from you?

Robyn- You said that the father was waiting for two children to go wash their hands.  He was facing a very difficult scenario.  The father had his family separated with the bad guy in between them.  The father also had to be very aware of the innocent bystanders.

Rob- That doesn’t answer my question. The robber pointed his gun at the children. Now, he looks away, maybe at the cash register. Can I shoot him, even if it is from behind?

Robyn- Our armed dad was patient. He waited until he had time to act. He had it concealed in such a manner that it was a surprise to the armed robber.  Also, he was not frozen in fear or uncertainty. He saw his opportunity and he acted.  I think our defender had practiced presenting his gun from under his clothing so he knew how much time he needed. Good for him.  The story would have been much different if he had not had a gun with him.

Rob- He waited. He recognized an opportunity when it came, and then he acted.

Robyn- Talk to your family members so that they know what to expect from you and you know what to expect from them.  Family members can be a help or a hindrance.  It is best if you can work as a team.  Consider having a special word that means you need to do what we discussed and follow all of my commands without question.

Rob- is there more?

Robyn- If possible be the first person to call 911.  The witnesses are important. If you’re a stranger in the area and there are a gang of robbers, they can all say you started it. The call to the police helps establish that you are the victim and they are the criminals.

Rob- What do I say to the police when I call?

Robyn – I recommend the say little approach.  As we train to use a firearm we also need to train concerning legal issues.  What is legal, where is it legal and what is justified.  We need to prepare for the physical battle and for the potential legal battle.

Rob- Let’s go on.

The second story happened last week in Saint Louis, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you deliver pizza?

You are delivering a pizza late at night. It is dark. You get out of your car and walk up to the address with pizza boxes in hand.  Two men run from around the building. One of them has a gun. You raise your hands and one of them hits you on the head with his gun. You run to your car. The two men start shooting at you. Now you’re behind your car. You draw your pistol and shoot back. The robbers run. You drive away and call police.

Robyn – Pizza delivery is very dangerous.  Pizza drivers are traveling to unfamiliar places.  They have money.  Potential attackers have the advantage of knowing where and when they are summoning their potential victim.  In this case, it was a group of bad guys that were prepared to ambush the pizza delivery man.

Rob- So delivery drivers should be armed..and I hope trained.  What else?

Robyn- This is another example of the parking lot problem. Our hands are full when we leave the grocery store, and this pizza delivery driver had his hands full when he walked up to a strange building.

Rob- We’ve tied ourselves up with packages. He had his hands full of pizzas.

Robyn –  Be prepared to drop or throw all unnecessary items and get to business defending yourself.  I hope that he threw the pizzas as soon as he saw them running toward him.

Rob- What else should he do

Robyn – This encounter occured at night at an unfamiliar location.  I encourage people to carry a flashlight.  Flashlights are good for general safety and also let others know that you can see and identify them.  In some cases people attribute a sense of authority with the flashlight.  Police carry flashlights, that might be the only person that the criminals have seen using a flashlight.  It might be enough to get them to change their plan.  The pizza delivery man had his hands full but he could get the flashlight that attaches to the bill of a hat.  Hands free and he would be able to see.

Robyn- I don’t know what the front of the building looked like. Maybe running was a good idea, or maybe this driver wasn’t as confident about how much time he needed to present his concealed firearm.

Robyn – I would hope that all pizza delivery men have their head on a swivel, aware of their environment and at the first sign of trouble be prepared to leave the environment.

Rob- The driver shot back after he was being shot at. Did he need to wait, or was it justified to shoot first?

Robyn- As soon as the delivery driver was in fear of death or great bodily harm, he was entitled to self-defense.  In this case, he was being ambushed by multiple attackers that were armed with a gun.  He could most definitely articulate why he was in fear for his life.

Rob- The driver drove away before he called police. Is that a problem?

Robyn- Get to safety first. Then call the police.  I would advise to make that call as soon as possible. Our third story happened last week in Dawsonville, Georgia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you stop for gas?

You’re a middle aged woman. You’re filling up your gas tank in the middle of the afternoon. You see a sheriff’s deputy pull up to the gas station with someone in the passenger seat.  A moment later, the stranger is hitting the deputy. You hear the deputy cry for help. The shouts continue. You step to the passenger side of the patrol car and shoot the attacker. The attacker gets out of the car and runs across the street. There, he attacks an elderly lady. A group of people tackle the attacker and hold him until police arrive.

The deputy, the suspect, and the elderly woman were taken to a local hospital for treatment. The armed good samaritan was questioned and released.

Robyn- This is the second story this week where our defender is protecting other people.

Rob- Yep. It’s your lucky week, Robyn.

Robyn- It can be hard to tell who the bad guy or bad gal is in a domestic dispute. It is obvious when a robber is threatening our little children. It is also an easy situation to figure out when you see someone hitting a police officer and the attacker trying to take the officer’s gun. The officer was yelling for the homeless person to stop.

Robyn – A situation like this happened near us.  A man was attacking a police office along side the road.  A citizen stepped in and saved the police officer.

Rob- The attacker was able to run away after he was shot.

Robyn- The homeless attacker chose to run away rather than continue the attack and be shot again. We call that a psychological stop. A physical stop is when the attacker is unable to continue the attack even if he wanted to. Most gunfights end with a psychological stop.

Robyn – Can you believe that even after being shot and running away from a fight  the attacker ran across the street and attacked and elderly woman.  Obviously, he had not learned his lesson yet.  Luckily there was a group of people that tackled the attacker and held him until the police arrived.  

Rob- This happened in the daytime. There are other people around, and you are pumping gas next to a cop car. This doesn’t seem like a dangerous place.

Robyn- True. It is safer than a dark alley in the middle of the night, but it is never completely safe. We need to be aware of our environment at all times.  This woman had a gun on her body. She was prepared to help the police officer in a fraction of a second. She could have helped herself or her family that quickly too.

Rob- What training do your students go through so they can present a firearm that way?

Robyn- Safety, license or permit to carry, range practice so students have the skills to deal with the situation, mental practice so you recognized the situation, legal knowledge to know the rules of engagement and to understand the potential legal aftermath.   Lots of people saw the police officer being attacked. This woman recognized the problem and knew she could help and that she should help. She was mentally prepared as well as physically prepared.

Rob- Where do your students become mentally prepared like that?

Robyn- We talk about self-defense situations. We brainstorm what they could do and what they think they should do. We discuss what to look for in our environment.  This mental training reduces the likelihood that that we will freeze or panic.  Scenario based training increases the likelihood that we will be able to stay in a rational state and make good decisions.  We need to be able to analyze a fluid situation, make appropriate plans and take action.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, I enjoy it every time you’re with us. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- You can find me at Step by Step Gun Training in Naples Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message for us on the Step by Step Facebook page.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. We’re also available on Google Play Music, and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 89 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (13 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 89 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Andee.  Welcome to the show.

Andee- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Andee- Rob, our first story took place last week near Hillsboro, Ohio. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are an older couple.  It is a few minutes before 7 on a Friday morning. You’re getting out of bed when you hear a loud crash from the back of your home. Someone has broken through the back door. Both of you grab your guns. You walk toward the sound and shout for the intruder to leave. The intruder has a rifle in his hands, and you shoot him.

He turns to leave, and so do you. You call police.

Andee- The first thing that stands out to me is the couple both armed themselves and went together to investigate. I think it’s important to have a plan in place ahead of time and for couples to work together as a team, it’s much safer that way.
 The second thing that stood out to me is the use of vocal commands, which is great. In many states you need to warn the person or ask them to leave before using lethal force, unless warning the intruder poses a greater risk. Verbal commands such as “Get out of my house, I have a gun!” are a good way to stop many criminals who wish to avoid a risky confrontation.

 

Andee- Our second story happened last week on the border between Texas and Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive?

You and your wife are driving into Texas.  You notice lights and sirens behind you.  You pull over onto the shoulder and stop your truck. A car pulls up behind you. The car appears to be on fire.  The driver of the car opens his door and then jumps into the back of your truck. Now the police cars are pulling to a stop all around you. Your wife is still in the seat beside you. You get out of your truck, present your firearm and hold the fugitive for the few seconds until police arrive.

The is arrested for evading arrest in a motor vehicle,aggravated kidnapping, assault on a police officer and for traffic violations.

Andee- Ok, my first thought is something I teach in my self defense and situational awareness classes: ALWAYS lock your car doors and if something doesn’t seem right, get away. Distance equals reaction time. Thankfully, the gang member fleeing from the police jumped into the bed of the truck and the husband in the truck was armed and quickly get control of the situation.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Rockledge, Florida.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re working in a auto shop. You hear shots coming from the parking lot behind the shop.  You’re carrying. So is your manager.  Your manager goes into the back lot and shoots at the attacker. Now the attacker chases the manager back into the store. You shoot at your attacker and place two shots on target. The attacker stops.

Other employees are injured.  One is killed.  Neither you nor your manager are hit.

Andee- Thankfully these two men were carrying at work. When the manager went to investigate the gunshots, he saw his employees being shot at and immediately began defending them with his pistol.

The worker and the manager responded quickly to assess the threat. They were both prepared for to protect themselves and others. Had they kept their pistols locked in their car this story could have ended with more fatalities and injuries.

I think in this situation there were signs the shooter was showing mental and emotional problems. It’s important to take note when someone is acting out of place and things in life aren’t going well, such as the loss of a job.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. We’re also available on Google Play Music, and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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