Episode 81 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 81. Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 81 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm to protect themselves.. and for those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Robyn Street is with us this week.

Hi, Robyn.  You went through the eye of a Hurricane since we talked.  Does all that prepping stuff really work?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

 

  • Grateful for the time we spend preparing

Comfort and health

Training and materials to defend ourselves if necessary

Training and materials to take care of medical issues

  • More than a few days with no power and no means of communication
  • We would not only be our own first responder, we would be our only responder
  • We live in an affluent community that become rather third world like in a few hours
  • You are preparing for a storm now.  Are you ready?

 

Rob- I hope so. We did some dry practice in the dark and worked with a flashlight.

Robyn, That is good practice. Let me say hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Today we’ll look at three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your self-defense exercise program. If you have any comments, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Robyn- Our first story took place last week in Hammond, Indiana.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are in your room, but you hear a crash at your front door.  There are voices and then shouts.  You hear a stranger order your three roommates to go down to the basement. The robber says he has a gun. You duck back into your room and grab your own gun.  You wonder if you should go downstairs to help your friends.  A few moments later, you see your roommates coming back up the stairs with the armed robber behind them.  You shoot the robber several times.  He drops the gun and all of you run outside.

You call police.

Robyn, was our defender lucky or was he prepared?

Robyn – Crash at the front door.  It sounds like the door was locked

Rob- A locked door is a poor man’s burglar alarm, and it works.  

Robyn- Thank goodness that our good guy was not in the room with his friends.  If they had all been rounded up together, who would help them?

Rob- It sounds like our defender was in his bedroom where he kept his gun.  What if he’d been in the bathroom at the other end of the house?

Robyn- Our good guy is lucky that he had the time and ability to get to his gun.

I’m glad he had a gun, but imagine how much better this could have been if the homeowners were carrying on body.  

Rob- So that is some homework.  He can get a carry license and carry on body.  What else did he do correctly?

Robyn – I was particularly worried when the robber moved everyone down stairs.  Don’t go with him.  In this case, there were multiple friend and one robber with a gun.  They were at the mercy of the armed robber.

Rob- Why is that a danger sign if a robber wants to move you?

Robyn- Your situation as the selected victim rarely improves if you are taken to a second location that your attacker get to select.  Often, that means the robber wants to kill you out of sight.

Robyn- I would not have suggested that our armed homeowner to have tried to work his way to the basement. Doors are hard to go through with a gun. Stairs are even harder.

Robyn- I would have preferred that the good guy barricade himself in relative safety or even exit the house to get to safety.  Once he was safe, he could call the police to get help on the way.

Robyn- In this case, our armed good guy was able to save his friends.  In this case, he shot their attacker until the robber dropped his gun and the threat went away. After that, they did a good job.  They got to a place of safety and then called the police.

Rob- So once he got his gun and stayed upstairs, he did pretty well.  Anything else?

Robyn- That is enough for now.  Our second story happened last week in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed at church late at night?

You are driving around the grounds of the Grand Strand Baptist Church. It is dark, and a man waves you down.  He asks if you have change for a 20 dollar bill.  You get out of your car and start to make change.  That is when the stranger draws his gun and points it at you.  He demands your money.

You hand over your wallet.  As the robber walks away, you draw your own handgun.  The robber turns and shoots at you. Fortunately, he misses.  You fire back and wound the robber.

It isn’t clear who called police.

Robyn – Even at church we need to stay focused on self-defense. The criminal was conducting an interview with the conversation.  Fail that interview so that the bad guy goes to look for an easier target.

Rob- How do we fail that interview.

Robyn-  The answer is no.  No, I don’t have a match.  No, I don’t have the time, or have change.  In a dark parking lot all alone, the answer is no.

Rob- Unfortunately, our good got out of his car and showed some cash.

Robyn- Right.  That is when the robber produced a gun and demanded the wallet.  Remember that compliance does not guarantee safety.  At first it looked like the robber only wanted the wallet, but then the robber turned around and shot at the victim rather than run away with the money.

Rob- What should we do as a robber walks away.

Robyn – I am glad that the victim was focused on his safety after the robbery.  He had his gun ready to defend himself.  If possible, carry your gun on body.  You probably will not have time to go get anything.  You have what you have and that is it. Our victim fired after he was fired upon.

Rob- What do we do next?

Robyn- Run to safety, and then call the police.  If you can, find witnesses.

Rob- I’m noticing a pattern here. Like in the first story, we stop the threat, move to safety, and call police.

Robyn- That is the plan.  Our third story happened last week in Stanley, North Carolina

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re at home with your two small children.  It is 10:30 in the morning when you hear strange sounds coming from your back door.  Two men have entered your back porch and are prying at the back door to your house.  You step back and grab your handgun.  Then you walk towards the intruders and yell for them to get out of your house.  The intruders run. You call police.

Robyn – Locked doors slow the criminals down, force them to make noise.  Beyond that, this is a very common story.  The victim had a gun and the criminal ran. Even better, she had her door locked.

Rob- This could have been a very different story if the back door was open.

Robyn- The locked door gave her time to get her gun.  I would rather she had her gun on her.  Find a good holster (secure and comfortable) to increase the likelihood that you have your gun with you when you need it.

Rob- 10:30 in the morning seems like a safe time. She showed that her home was occupied and that she was armed.  Should she do that, or should she retreat to the kids room with her firearm and call police?

 

Robyn- That is a tough call.  She could have been shot in a gunfight if the criminals were armed.  She didn’t shoot through her back door.  That is good.

Rob- When do your students learn to make those decisions?

Robyn- Using these stories is a great way to practice the decision making process.  Thinking about what happened to other people lets our brain compare different plans. That takes away some of the element of surprise if it happens to us.  

We want our brain to say “well we knew this might happen and this is the best reaction to this situation, so get to work.

Mental rehearsal helps to reduce the likelihood of the startle freeze or time wasted in the denial loop.

Rob- You talk about these examples with your students?  Are you teaching again after the hurricane?

Robyn- They come up with great ideas as we talk about these stories.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and you can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.

Robyn- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 80 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 80. Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (22 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 80 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for the people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

I know you volunteered to do some Hurricane cleanup with your church.  You were down in Rockport, Texas.  Thank you.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I drained the savings account, bought supplies, and took the truck down to the coast.  That is what we do.

Rob- Two of our instructors went through the eye of hurricane Irma. Jeff and Robyn Street live in Naples Florida. They prepared well and did well. They have water and power, so they have air conditioning, but they don’t have phone or internet yet. Best wishes to Jeff and Robyn.  

Ben- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week near Seattle, Washington.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home in the middle of the day?  

You’re at home with your mom and your kids.  Your older kids are at school, but your young ones are at home taking a nap.  You’re not expecting visitors, but you hear someone knocking on your front door.  Before you can answer it, you hear a tearing sound coming from your children’s bedroom.  You grab your gun and run to your kid’s room.  A man has torn out the window fan and is climbing through the window next to your kids.  Another man is standing next to him with his hands on the sill ready to jump in.  You shoot him the nearest intruder.  Both men run away.  You call police.

Ben- That isn’t exactly what happened.  You don’t “get your gun”.  Those few words hide something that can take half a minute.  Let’s be realistic.  You have more time to fight a fire in your kitchen than to fight an intruder in your childrens’ bedroom..and I keep a fire extinguisher on the kitchen wall.  Please have a gun with you.

Rob-  Why did this man need a gun?

Ben-  he was outnumbered and his children were in immediate danger.  Our armed citizen had an intruder in his home within feet of his kids and another intruder next to him.

Whew.  I’m a dad, and that gets me excited.

Let me explain.  You had intruders break into your home by force and without your permission.

They had immediate access to your children.

You were outnumbered.

Rob-  You don’t have many options.

Ben- Not any good ones..and you don’t have time to think.  You have seconds to act, and you put your children in danger if you delay.

Rob- So what did our dad do right?

Ben- He grabbed the tool he needed.  He used it.  He stopped using it.  He probably took care of his screaming kids, because I’m sure they were freaked out by the break in.  Then, someone got their brain back online and called the police.

Rob-  That sounds so simple.

Ben- Yeah, it does, but it isn’t.  You have to break it down to really simple steps, because even doing simple things is hard when your family is at risk and you’re going a little crazy inside yourself.

Rob-  Wow.  Keep breathing.  I’m getting wrapped up in it, and it’s only a story.

Ben-  Yep, breathing helps.  Having a plan helps a lot.

Rob- You call it a plan.

Ben- A checklist.  Have your tools with you.  Recognize an immediate threat.  Defend the people you love.  Treat the injured.  Call the police.  There are not a lot of moving parts.  Just a few steps.

Rob- Have a plan.

Ben- Yep, have a plan, and ready or not, our second story happened last week in ALBUQUERQUE, N.M

Rob- Ok, Ben.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re a mother with two children and you’re working in a Circle-K gas station.  A customer tells you that a nearby 7-11 has just been robbed af few minutes ago.  You’re concerned, so you walk to your car and get your gun.  You don’t have a carry permit, so you open carry with your legally owned gun in your pocket.  You also lock one of the side doors to the convenience store.

It is the usual busy time at 4 in the afternoon.  There are several customers in the store and at the gas pumps.  A man walks in wearing a ski mask, carrying a bag, and holding a gun.  He screams that everyone is to get down on the ground.. except you.  He waves his gun at the customers, and then points the gun at you.  The robber tells you to put the money into the bag.  You do.  You hand him the bag, and draw your gun.  You shoot him once in the chest.  The robber drops his gun and runs from the store.  Police find him behind the building.  They are looking at the surveillance video to see if he robbed the other store as well.

Ben- Good for her.  The first lesson is to be armed.  

Rob- she was.

Ben- Better yet, spend the $100 for a permit so you can concealed carry.

Rob- Why is that important?

Ben- You want to act when you have the best chance to win.  There is no advantage to communicate that you’re armed in this situation.  I don’t want this young lady to be shot if the robber sees her gun.

Rob- at least she was armed in time.

Ben- Yes.  Once you have your gun, then, I want you to have tactical patience.  I want you to cheat.  Don’t get into a fast-draw contest if you can avoid it.  I’m fast, but I want all the good guys to cheat if they can.  If you are in a “fair fight” you did something wrong.

Show some tactical patience until you have an advantage.  Then act as violently as you can.  Surprise, Speed and Violence of action will win all the time.

Rob- Really?  Be as violent as you can?

Ben-  Is it the life of your spouse, your child, or your friend that is on the line?  They don’t deserve to die.  You don’t deserve to die either.  Do as much as you can to stop a lethal threat.  Keep going until the threat isn’t there.  Is that running away, or emptying your magazine and reloading?  I don’t know.  I won’t be there.  That is why I’m begging you to do your mental homework now.

Rob- But Ben.

Ben- But nothing.  This woman was terrified because she thought she was going to die.  She didn’t start the fight.  She didn’t want the fight.  When the fight comes to you, then fight for your life.  This woman saved the life of her customers.  I hope she waved the bag in front of her.  Set the bag on the counter, and then drew her gun and fired as she stepped to the side.

Rob- And..

Ben- And if the bad guy runs away, then stop.  Starting is hard.  So is stopping.  Maybe stopping is even harder.  It is hard to tell.  The clerk was pretty shaken up, but call police if you can.

Rob- There is more to say.  There is, but that is enough for now.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You and your wife are at home in your apartment on a Saturday afternoon.  You’re both in your late 70s.  Your wife answers a knock at the door, and she is thrown back into the room as two young men smashed their way inside.  Before you know what is happening, the two intruders start beating you with a club.  You fall down, but you grab the gun in your waistband as you fall.  You roll to the side and shoot the attacker standing over you.  Both attackers run.  You call police and EMTs.  You and your wife go to the hospital.

Ben-  The man was an army veteran.  He had a gun on him, at home, on a sunny weekend afternoon.  And he needed it.

Rob- He was on his knees with two attackers beating  him, and he won.

Ben-  He had the physical tools and he had the mental tools to use them.

Rob-  Down but not out of the fight.

Ben-  He wounded one attacker.  They ran.  That stopped the attack on him and his wife.  Great job.

Rob- What would you tell your students?

Ben- He did a great job, but I wish he could have avoided the fight.  I ask my students to buy an electronic doorbell so they can see who is outside.

Rob- That would have kept the bad guys outside?

Ben- It would have bought our good guys more time as the thugs had so smash their way into the house.

Rob- Anything else?

Ben- I wish that they had  both been armed because I don’t want either one of these nice old people beaten up.

Rob- That would make a difference?

Ben- If they were both armed and had worked together even a little bit, then these two young guys wouldn’t stand a chance.

Rob- Really!?  Even if it were two guys in their 20s against a couple in their late 70s?

Ben- You know how hard it is for one person to fight off two attackers.  Now imagine how hard it is to hurt two people who can defend themselves at a distance.  It is so much of an advantage that it makes the bad guys look silly. I talk about it on my podcast.  The male homeowner yells.  The bad guys move toward him, and his wife has all the time in the world to stop the problem.  She can draw slowly and aim..and she’ll own them.

Rob- If they work together and have a plan.

Ben- And if they are both armed.

Exit-  Rob-  Thank you, Ben.  That wraps up this episode. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Please donate to Ben’s Hurricane fund by Paypal at Ben@modernselfprotection.com Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- Our download numbers are headed up, so that you for sharing the podcast with your friends.  I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Ben- No we won’t.

Rob- We won’t?  Oh, that’s  right.  Next week, Ben and I will be in Dallas at the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  This will be my 7th conference.

Ben- And this will be my first one.  I hope to see our listeners there.

Rob- See you there, and we’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 79 with Tracy Thronburg

Welcome to episode 79. Instructor Tracy Thronburg joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 79 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tracy Thronburg.

Hi, Tracy Thronburg.  How have you been?

Tracy- Hi, Rob.  How have I been? I’ve been well, thanks. Last weekend, I took a Ladyseed class in San Antonio and have been recovering from that class for the better part of the week.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tracy- Our first story took place last week in Sierra Vista, Arizona.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?

You are a 69 years old woman.  You’ve been out for the day, but when you arrive home, you notice that your side door has been damaged.  You walk into your home.  There are several things missing.  You call police, and they take a report.

That night at about 11 pm you hear someone prying through the damaged door.  You’re armed.  You shoot the intruder as they enter your home.  You call police again.  This time the police race to the scene.

Tracy- I see that my side door has been damaged. I would NOT be going into my house to see if things are missing. I’m calling the police first and waiting for them to arrive before proceeding any further. The article says the woman had been robbed earlier that same evening that she shot the man. The bad guy came back to rob her twice in one day. The article says the homeowner shot the bad guy as he was breaking into her home. I would question whether the homeowner’s life was in danger as she shot the man as he was “breaking into her home.” I might have yelled at him that I was armed with a gun and would shoot him if he continued to break into my home. We can’t tell from the article if the bad guy was completely inside the home when the homeowner shot him.  Was the homeowner going and looking for trouble? There is a lot of gray to this story right now.

It is OK if you take your gun off when you’re in bed at night.

You need a way to get to your secured gun quickly.

A closet shelf is not secure.  A safe with a combination lock does not qualify as quick access.

Tracy- I am armed at home. When I go to bed at night, I always have the same three things on my nightstand, within reach: a flashlight, a handgun, and a fully charged cell phone.

Rob-  Do you talk about home intrusions and firearms storage with your students?

Tracy- Our second story happened last week in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed in the back yard?

You’re walking in your backyard with your son.  You’re about ready to go in for lunch when an armed stranger runs into your yard.  The intruder shouts at you and raises his gun.  You are carrying concealed.  You present your handgun and shoot quickly.  Unfortunately you miss.  Fortunately the thief drops his gun and puts up his hands.  You hear sirens, and shout for police.  Why would an armed man run into your yard and how did the police get there so fast?

This criminal was part of a pair who’d just kicked in a neighbor’s door.  Another neighbor saw the break in and called police.  This fleeing criminal ran into your yard.  The other criminal met a similar fate a few doors away.

These armed criminals were repeat felons and had both stolen articles and stolen firearms in their getaway car.

Tracy- Wow, Rob. Pants on, gun on. Your life may depend on it. I would like to take this opportunity to remind our listeners that every bullet that leaves your gun has your name on it. Training in marksmanship is so important. Fortunately, the homeowner had a gun to protect himself and his father. The homeowner felt the need to defend himself and his father. Just having a gun isn’t enough. Knowing the fundamentals of good marksmanship is so very important. Knowing how to hit your intended target during a stressful situation is just as important. There are no “do overs.”

 

Tracy- Our third story happened last week in Manassas, Virginia.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

A couple was standing in their home or close to the home outside.  This story is reported both ways, so take your pick.  They are argueing with three teenagers.  The teenagers attacked the couple.  One of the couple was armed, and presented their firearm for self-defense.  The young men ran.  The couple called police.  They asked for medical attention when the police arrived.

One report called the young men gang members since one of them was in his twenties.

 

Tracy- There is something strange to me about a couple in their mid-thirties arguing with three men in their 20s. The attack reportedly occurred inside a home, which would lead me to believe that at least one of the couple knew at least one of the bad guys, and the probability that the three younger men were invited into the home. It makes me wonder if illegal activities were involved and not reported.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tracy, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tracy- I instruct at KR Training in Manheim, Texas.  We’re on the web at K R Training dot com and at austexgungirl@gmail.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tracy-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Episode 78 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 78. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 78 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been busy planning Diversity Shoots in New Jersey, volunteering at NRA Range Day as a shotgun instructor and introducing a new shooting event, The Minuteman Challenge.

Rob- I know you’ve been to the range to get in some practice of your own.

Tony- I started a Minute Man League.

Rob-  I went to the range and got in some life fire presentations.

Tony- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you exercise your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Elyria, Ohio.

Rob- First Story- Are you armed at home?   

You’re at home with two of your teenage daughters.  It is after dark on a weekday.  Your older daughter screams when she sees a stranger enter the home and stand next to your younger daugher.  There is something about that scream.  You grab your gun and run towards that area of the house.  You see your oldest daughter chasing a stranger.  You follow them out the front door and call your daughter back inside.  Then you try to call the police.  You have to catch your breath first..and to put away your gun.

Tony- Another reason to carry in a holster, Pants On Gun On. She heard the scream that told her immediately she needed to protect her family. There is very little time to come up with a plan during an emergency. Implementing the plan that you have may be all that you can do to save a life.

Rob-  So you’ll run with what you know?

Tony- Yep.  She got that right.

Rob- What should our listeners do better?

Tony- She followed the bad guy out of the house and pursued him after he was no longer a threat. Try not to do that, it could get you hurt or worse if he has accomplices outside that you are unaware of or he decides to fight you because you won’t let him get away.

Rob-  Our armed mom chased her 17 year old daughter outside.  Sounds like you should share your plans with your family.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Orlando, Florida.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed when you cut the grass?

You are mowing the lawn for one of your customers.  You maintain several houses in the area.  Three men stop their car as they drive by after noon.  They git out of their vehicle.  They walk up to you, and one of the strangers has a gun drawn.  You’re being robbed.  They demand your wallet, your phone, and your keys.  You present your firearm and shoot at the gunman nearest you.  All three men run.  Two of them drive away.  One runs through the neighborhood.  You and the neighbors call police.  None of the men show up at the hospital for treatment.

Tony- He was ambushed by multiple armed attackers and was correct in defending his life. Some people would say that he should give them whatever they want and they will go away. That theory has you depending on receiving mercy from the merciless and it could cost you your life without a struggle.

Rob- He was wearing a gun in the the rain and heat and sun of central Florida in the summer time.

Tony- He was wearing a gun while doing something as mundane as cutting the grass in the suburbs. There are no “safe places or times”, bad guys don’t have hours of operation or fixed locations. They are open 24/7 at a location near you.

Rob- Makes my excuses for not carrying look pretty pale.

Tony- You have no idea why someone will pick you but you should have the equipment, will and attitude to defend yourself.

Rob-  What would you tell your students to do in such a situation?

Tony- Shoot, move, call the police.  It sounds like our good guy did that.

Rob- Where can your students learn and practice shooting, moving, and calling the police?

Rob- Is there more?

Tony- Nope that does it?

Rob- Where are we headed next?

Tony- We’re headed back home to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Rob- but first this message.

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Rob- Third story- Do you have a gun nearby when you’re sleeping at home?  

You’re sleeping at home with your wife and two children.  You hear something that sounds like an animal clawing at the house.  You wake up your wife.  It doesn’t sound right, so she calls the police while you grab your gun and check on the kids.  Now you hear the sound coming from the back of the house.  You see someone outside.  As you approach your back door, you see that the stranger has a gun in his hand.

You shoot and the burglar runs away.  Police find two guns outside and are looking for the burglar’s accomplice.

Tony-  Know what you know without caring about how you know.

Rob- Say that again?

Tony- We talk ourselves into trouble.  I’m never robbed, so that sound can’t be someone breaking into my house.  Yes, it can.  Get out of bed, get your gun, call the police, and get your children.

Rob- It wasn’t a dream, or if it was, call the police anyway.

Tony- Exactly.  They get called for strange sounds every day.  It is their job.

This was also a textbook reason for Pajamas on Gun On. The bad guy was in the door with a gun in his hand. There were no timeouts left on the clock. It was go time, no formulating a plan, no time to practice your favorite range drill.

Rob- We won’t have a warning and time to warm up.

Tony- You must have knowledge of your defensive skills. Can you operate your gun, can you shoot your gun accurately without several practice shots. Does your gun even work? Does you defensive ammo have a track record of being a fight stopper or is it a new ammo that has lots of cool advertising online and in magazines but no history of use by LEO or armed citizens.

Tony- All of the stories in this week’s episode were about civilians that had their self defense firearm on their person or beside them when it was needed. POGO Pants On, Gun On shouldn’t be a cute saying that your favorite self defense podcasts use, it should be your self defense strategy.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony-   We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 77 with David Cole

Welcome to episode 77. Instructor David Cole joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 77 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor David Cole.

Hi, David.  How have you been?

David- Hi, Rob.  You went to Africa since we talked last time.

I did, and it was an amazing experience. I’d highly recommend it to anyone; if you’ve ever thought about hunting Africa, do it.  It was a very manageable trip.  Even the days I didn’t shoot were wonderful.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

David- Our first story took place last week in Corpus Christi, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?

This isn’t your first hurricane, but all storms bring a lot of wind and rain. You’re staying home to ride this one out.  That doesn’t mean it is quiet outside.  There is the roar of the storm, but then you hear a different sound.  Someone is breaking into your home at 11 at night.  You’ve lost power, so you walk toward the sound through your darkened home.  You see an intruder in your home. You shout for him to leave.  The intruder moves moves toward you, and you shoot him.

You retreat to your bedroom and call police on your cell phone.  They pick up the injured intruder from the front of your home and take him to the hospital.

Physical details of a break in.

David- We have seen this many times in the past; during situations where there are evacuations and police services are overwhelmed, predators take advantage.

Rob-  So we need to upgrade our hurricane kit?

David-  A flashlight to identify an intruder is essential. From a legal perspective, you will have a hard time articulating why the person you shot was a threat if you can’t see them. From a safety perspective, you don’t want to accidentally shoot a friend or family member, or in a situation like in Texas, maybe a rescue worker.

David- Glad this homeowner had a gun in hand.  No time to go back and get it after you’ve identified the problem.

No power, so a way to contact the authorities, and in a disaster scenario, it will likely be some time before they can respond, if they can at all.

YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.

In this order.  Protect yourself with a firearm. You need a flashlight to sort out the problem. You need a cell phone to contact the police and medical personnel.

Rob- David, should you retreat and call police if the police can’t get to your home in a storm?

David- That may be an option, but disaster conditions could prevent that. Our second story happened last week in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you walk home?

You’re walking home from the shopping center with your son.  It is after dark, and you just withdrew some cash at the automatic teller machine.  Now you’re walking past the houses in your neighborhood when a young man runs up behind you.  He hits you in the back of the head with a rock.  You fall to the ground.  You roll over as the young man tries to go through your pockets.  You reach into your pocket and present your firearm.  You shoot twice.  The robber runs to a waiting getaway car.

The story doesn’t say who called police and EMTs.  You go to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

David- Predators attack from behind. Situational awareness is critical. I’d also advise against using outdoor or stand-alone ATMs. You are too exposed to observation and attack. Avoid them if possible; go inside a bank instead.

Rob- You just came from Africa.  Is an ATM is a watering hole for muggers?  

David- Yes, and the jewelry store, and the cell phone store. Good defense. Fortunately, the victim was not knocked unconscious (or worse) and was able to keep his wits about him.

Rob-  He was hurt.

David- Ask for medical treatment if you’ve been hurt. Besides the actual need to take care of yourself, it may also become important in court proceedings if self defense is brought into question in court.

Rob- Could you explain that a little more?

David – Sure. Think of it this way: if you are being charged with a crime for shooting someone, and claim self-defense, a record of actually being treated for injuries will provide medical proof that you were attacked and injured.

Rob- it established that you were really attacked.

David- And only offer critical or time-sensitive information to police until after you contact your attorney. Don’t make an official statement until your lawyer is present.

Rob- A witness gave the police a license number on the getaway car.

David- Our third story happened last week in Houston, Texas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re set for hurricane Harvey to arrive.  You have water, candles and food.  You also have your gun.  It is already hard to travel because of the water covering the roads.  You’re asleep in your darkened home when you hear someone else inside your home.  It is three in the morning.  You leave your bedroom and go see what’s happening.  You find a stranger inside your home.  He moves toward you and you shoot.

Then you have to call police..and fix a broken door..at night..during a storm.

David-  Again, having immediate access to necessary tools…firearm, flashlight, phone…is critical. And again, there may be power outages so having fresh batteries in your light and cell phone is very important.

Rob- We used the breaking door as an alarm again.

David – A good reason to keep your doors locked, even when you are at home.  Another part of preparedness is training. Have you ever fired your defensive firearm in the dark or low light before? It is a skill worth practicing, and usually the only opportunity to do that sort of thing is in a training class.

 

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Dave- I train in the Cincinnati area.  My training company, Aegis Solutions LLC is on Facebook, and my articles on gun rights and more can be found at Black Man With A Gun.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 76 with Elizabeth Hautman

Welcome to episode 76. Instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 76 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Elizabeth Hautman.  Hi, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Elizabeth- Our first story took place last week in Tuolumne, California.

Rob- First story-  Do you have a gun nearby when you’re at home late at night?

You and your children are at home late at night.  The kids are in bed.  Someone is banging on your front door.  You don’t know him so you don’t open the door, you yell for him to go away.  He keeps pounding.  You move your children upstairs.  You grab your handgun and call the police.

The intruder breaks the door down and enters your home.  You fire one shot, and the intruder runs away.  Police find him at the party that was going on next door.  The local hospital treats him for a gunshot wound.  His blood alcohol level was at three times the legal limit.

Elizabeth- Good job parent!  I tell each student again and again, Don’t open the door!  How many home invasion stories start with,” the assailant pushed their way into the home.”  It is easy to push through a doorway that is open just an inch.  This intruder had to break the door down.  By not opening the door, the homeowner had time to secure the children, access his or her firearm, call the police and wait.  

Rob-  Say that list again slowly.  What do we want to do in what order, and why.

Elizabeth- Retreat, gun, phone, once the person was banging on the door….

Rob- what can we do before the wolf is at the door.

Elizabeth- We can talk about the door.  In this situation, the homeowner didn’t know the person breaking in, that means that maybe they could see out on the porch.  With new, inexpensive  technology you can see and talk to someone on your porch without opening the door.   One way to make the door more secure is to install 3 inch screws in the strike plate around the deadbolt and doorknob in your front, back and garage door.  That inexpensive upgrade will buy you time to make your family safe.  

Also, this homeowner had a plan, and waited.  That may be a difficult thing to do, but the homeowner saw to her children’s safety, and took action.

Rob- What do we need to tell the police?

Elizabeth- Practice that call.  Make a 911 call sheet.

Elizabeth- Our second story happened last week in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed in the grocery store parking lot?

It is a few minutes after 5pm, so it is light outside.  You’re done with your grocery shopping and head back to your car.  You step between the parked cars to unlock your car door.  A man walks between the cars and grabs your purse.  The strap is over your shoulder, and you hang on tight.  You reach inside your purse and pull out your gun.  Your attacker immediately turns and runs away.  You don’t shoot.  It takes you a minute to put away your gun, get your phone out of your purse, and then call the police.

Elizabeth-  Situation awareness is key.  Not paranoid but aware.  So perhaps if the victim had been more aware of her surroundings she could have escaped being targeted at all.  Bad guys look for victims who are unaware of their surroundings, distracted, not paying attention.  And it is easy to get distracted – cell phones, children, schedules, traffic and the list goes on.  But by bing in the present and aware of what is going on at that moment, we all are a bit safer.  Criminals look for the distracted victim.

Rob- Let’s say my gun is on my hip.  Someone grabbed my holster.  That makes it really hard to draw my gun.  It is even harder to get your gun from your purse if someone grabbed your purse.

Elizabeth-Rob, you are right, it can take me 5 minutes to extract a pen from the bottom of my purse, a firearm, when I am scared or struggling is worse, and time is what you don’t have a lot of if you are being attacked.  I prefer on body carry, for two reasons;  one, I can access my firearm more efficiently from my hip and two, if the bad guy wants my purse, he can have it and the $8.79 in the wallet.  I don’t want him to take my firearm.  If I can get away, without using my firearm, and only lose a purse, I am lucky!

Lastly, my firearm is to protect my life, or the life of another innocent person who is in immediate danger.  Not to protect my “stuff.”  So if my stuff goes away – the purse, my wallet, watch, jewelry, no big deal.  I’m not happy about it, but if I can escape and not use my firearm, that is the BEST result.  

Rob- Does that surprise your students?

Elizabeth- Our third story happened last week in outside Saint Paul, Minnesota.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at work?  

You opened the cell phone store.  Now it is 11 am and you’re eager to take a lunch break.  Two men wait their turn.  As you finish with the customer in front of them, one of the men pulls out a gun and tells you to move to the back of the store.  You step back between the counters.  The two thieves follow you into the back room.  You draw your own handgun and shoot the armed robber nearest to you.  You shoot him several times until he drops his gun.  Then you point your gun at the other robber, but he has run away.

Now you call police..or try to.  It is hard to talk because you’re so excited.

The police said your attacker was a convicted felon with a long list of convictions.  How did your attacker get a gun anyway?

Elizabeth-  Just another example of ineffective gun laws.  I teach about the laws in Colorado, and my students, who follow the rules take careful notes and are law abiding citizens.  Criminals don’t do that!  They do not follow firearms laws, they do not get background checks, they do what they want regardless of the law.  

 

Elizabeth- And the clerk, is described as excited – exactly!  That is why I teach my students to practice and practice so your moves rely on muscle memory, not your thinking brain.

Rob- How do I get to have that presence of mind?

Elizabeth- If you have ever had to dial 911 when someone isn’t breathing, you may know what level of stress and emergency like that can bring on.  Using your firearm is just like that.   I keep my home address by my landline at home, so if anyone ever has to dial 911, they can READ the address, not just recite it from memory.  

Elizabeth-  The clerk had a series of routine actions.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Elizabeth-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 75 with Amanda Suffecool

Welcome to episode 75. Instructor Amanda Suffecool joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 75 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amanda Suffecool.

Hi, Amanda.  I know you’ve been busy.

Amanda- HI, Rob.  My plates been pretty full.  I had a Women’s day at the range.  I Just published a book –  Your Guide to Produce a concealed carry fashion show (148 pages)  and A DVD of our show.  So now you have a full how to guide to producing your own fashion show that promotes concealed carry.

I’m also a consultant and one of the announcers at the NRA Carry Guard fashion show in Milwaukee on August 25th.

Rob- You did more to invite women into our gun culture than most of the NRA board.  Thank you.  Extend an invitation to our new listeners too.

Amanda- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Amanda- Our first story took place last week in Chicago, Illinois.

 

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you walk down the street?  

You’re arguing with your on-again, off-again boyfriend.  It is five in the morning on Saturday when the two of you are walking along the sidewalk near where you live on the south-west side of Chicago.  The argument escalates.  Your boyfriend hits you.  You Yell for him to stop.  He hits you again and grabs your blouse so you can’t run.  You draw your gun and shoot him three times.  Now he lets go.  You call police.  The police question you for several hours and then release you without charges.

Amanda-  This requires some thinking.  People have no problem with the decision to use lethal force on a stranger – but your BOYFRIEND?  Someone you love..and who is having no difficulty in hurting you.

Rob- That means we have to talk about that situation before it happens so we won’t be confused and overwhelmed.  I’m sure you’ve had victims of domestic abuse in your class.

Amanda- I have.  I’m glad they are there.

Rob- Where do your students learn to draw as they walk?

Amanda-  Yeah – we teach that in our advanced class.  You know the funny thing.   People can generally only walk in one direction.   Move and shoot to the right and not to the left or vice versa.  It’s not tied to their handedness though.

Rob- Do you teach them to draw and shoot with one hand, because one arm might be busy trying to block punches.

 

Amanda- Our second story happened last week in a town just west of Saint Louis, Missouri.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home late at night?

You’re in your upstairs apartment just after midnight.  Your three roommates are still awake.  One of your roommates was outside smoking when a stranger started arguing with him.  The stranger said someone called him a name.  The stranger then pushed his way into the apartment and started yelling at your two other roommates.  You walk out of your back room and ask the stranger to leave.  You tell him you’re armed and ask him to leave again.  He attacks you.  You draw and shoot him several times.  Now your attacker steps back outside.  Your roommates close the door, and you call police.

 

Amanda-    WOW,  this is that story of  ‘Why you carry on you all the time.’   Do you really have time to go get your gun?   NO – you don’t.   So Rob – do you carry at home?  

Rob-  Yes, even here in the studio.

Amanda-  I think the term I heard is Pants on, gun on.   But what about those folks that carry in alternative ways?   Purse carry?  can you get to it fast enough – or do you have a second – or third – gun stashed in your house?  

Amanda- Our third story happened last week in polk county, NC

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re at home after midnight when your dogs start barking.  You go outside and find a man behind your car.  You smell a strong smell of gasoline.  The man attacks you with a baseball bat.  You try to block the blow, but you’re hit on the head.  You shoot your attacker three times.  He stops attacking you and you crawl away to contact police.

There is gasoline poured on the ground around your car.  The police ask you if that is your gas can.  You say no, and that isn’t your baseball bat either.

The police charge your attacker with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill and violation of a protection order.

Amanda- All of our victims had a gun on them this week.  Good for them.  

Rob-  The attacker’s girlfriend now lived at this address.

Amanda- Any idea what the back story is on the violation of the protection order?    Because it is just a piece of paper.

Amanda-  This had to be an instinctive reaction.  There was no time to think.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amanda, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amanda- Our listeners can find me at eye on the target radio radio.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amanda-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 74 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 74. Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 74 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

Hi, Ben.  How have you been?

 

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I’m getting ready to teach in Ohio with Bob Mayne and Paul Carlson.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week in Blytheville, Arkansas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re working at Domino’s pizza and it’s late at night.  A middle aged man walks up to the counter and asks to speak with the manager.  The manager arrives, and then you see the customer draw a gun and demand the money from the cash register.  You’re armed.  Your co-worker is being held at gunpoint, so you draw your own firearm and shoot the robber.  The robber drops his gun and stumbles away.  The rest of you run to the back room and call police.

Ben- Just an ordinary evening..until everything changes and your life is at risk.  The armed defender saved his life and his co-workers life.  Good for him.

Rob-  How did that happen?

Ben-  His head was up and out of his phone.

He was armed at work.

The gun was accessible, and not stuffed in his backpack in the trunk of his car.

He knew how to present a weapon when it is concealed under his clothing.

He saw an opportunity when the robber’s attention was focused on the manager.

He shot the robber until the threat stopped.  Then, the victim stopped shooting.

He ran for safety and called the police, and remained on the scene.

No surprise, but the robber had a criminal record.

Rob- When do your students learn to do all that?

Ben- Our second story happened last week in Detroit, Michigan.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you stop for coffee?

You’re a 61 year old man.  You work as a musician.  This morning you stop for coffee as you pass a gas station.  You are standing in line when a 16 year old notices that you’re carrying a gun.  The 16 year old draws his gun and pushes in into your back.  He demands you hand over your gun and your wallet.  You say, OK, and as you start to turn around you draw your gun and shoot your attacker in the stomach.  The robber drops his gun and you escape to call police.

The robber picks up his gun and limps outside. He is arrested and charged with assault with intent to murder, carrying a weapon with unlawful intent and a felony firearms violation.

Ben- Good that you had a gun.

Rob-  Ben, I’ve heard you say we have to know our limitations.  Some gun owners are so fast that they could out-draw an attacker.  This victim waited until his gun was away from his attacker to draw and shoot immediately.

Ben-  Old age and treachery beats youth and inexperience.

I don’t know why our gun owner was open carrying.  Maybe he didn’t know how to draw from concealment.  It would have even been better for the victim if his firearm was concealed.  I teach that to my students every day.

Please get some training before you carry.  Safely grabbing a loaded gun in a hurry takes practice.  When you draw, you will have to get your clothes out of the way to get a good grip on your gun.  Let us show you how to do it.

Rob- What would you ask your students to do in a situation like this?

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Puyallup, Washington.

 

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

It is late at night.  You’re at home and you hear someone pounding your apartment door.  You look through the window and you think you see that the stranger is armed.  You go grab your gun and you don’t open the door.  The robber breaks down the door and enters your apartment.  You’re waiting and you shoot him.  You call police.

The robber runs and is arrested at the hospital.

Ben-  Good that you had a loaded gun at home.  Our victim was also lucky.

Rob- How was he lucky?

Ben-  Our intruder gave the victim time to respond.  What if the first sound he’d heard had been the sound of the robber crashing through the door and entering the home.  He would have been an unarmed man facing an armed attacker.  What if you were on the other side of your house when the robber broke in. You’d have to fight your way past an armed attacker to get to your gun.  See why you don’t want to be that guy?!

You bought a gun, now carry it.  You’re carrying it, now get training.  You’ve been trained, now practice at home and at the range.

Rob-  Yes, dad.  Anything else?

Ben- You get to buy a new front door.  It would have been much cheaper to put an automatic light outside your front door so the light goes on and sounds a chime when someone walks onto your porch.

Rob- Cheap insurance.

Ben- And put long screws into your front door.  That will buy you another 15 seconds to wake up and react.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  

We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 73 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 73. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and knowledge? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 73 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

 

Tony- Hi, Rob.  We had the diversity shoot last week.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Marietta, Georgia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

It’s a few hours after midnight when someone knocks at your door.  He asks to speak to your husband.  You say your husband isn’t home.  That is when the intruder pushes his way through your front door.  You yell for him to leave, but he doesn’t.  You step back toward your bedroom and grab your gun.  Your three children are in the back of the house so you move toward the intruder.  You shoot him.  He moves back toward the front door, the way he came.  You retreat and call police.

Your husband arrives a few minutes later..as do the police.

Tony- She did what needed to be done to save her children from being hurt by a threat in her home. She shot the bad guy, called the police and she isn’t going to be charged with a crime because she was able to articulate the threat that she faced to the police.

Rob- It isn’t unusual to be attacked in your own home.  She must have thought about defending her family before it happened in order to react so quickly.

Tony- Have a plan on how you will handle an emergency, be it a fire, a car accident or a home defense situation. Have that plan before the it happens.  That will cut down on the time it takes for you to start solving that problem.

Rob- Where do your students learn about this?

Tony- We teach having a plan in all of our classes from beginner class to our more advanced classes. I want students to leave any level of instruction knowing how to operate their firearm and to know they must be mentally prepared to use their firearm defensively if they need to.

Rob- What would your students do in this situation?

Tony- Any question from a stranger in the middle of the night can be answered through a locked door. These people were looking for her husband, her husband wasn’t home, she could tell them that through the door and not have compromised her security. If someone is knocking on your door after midnight you should have a means of protecting yourself from what might be on the other side. P.O.G.O. Pajamas On Gun On.

Rob- I’m imagining how slowly I think in the middle of the night.  We need a plan because we won’t be thinking clearly if someone knocks on our door in the middle of the night.  Our plan is to be armed and have our phone, turn on the outside lights, and talk to our visitor through the locked door.  There are some new camera doorbells that will let us talk to a visitor from our cell phone.

Tony- Now that is a plan.  Our second story happened last week in Waco, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work in the evening?

You work at a smoke shop and it’s almost midnight.  A customer walks in wearing a ski mask.  It is the middle of the summer, so that is a clue.  The robber also has a gun in his hand and demands your money.  You draw your firearm and shoot the robber several times.  The rubber runs, and no one else in the store is injured.

You call the police.

Tony- An easier example of a self defense shooting is hard to find. It like a Hollywood script. A bad guy enters wearing a ski mask and carrying a gun, at midnight, in Waco TX. in July. The criminal walks in looking like every bad guy target in every gun range in the country!

Rob- Are some of your students store clerks and business owners?

Tony- We have had students from many different walks of life. Students have been tradesmen, law enforcement, military, doctors and lawyers.

Rob- So you teach them how to “interview” a customer?

Tony- We tell people that they must pay attention to people and pick up on visual cues that people give off. Everyone has this ability but polite society has helped dull that ability by convincing people to be politically correct. It’s ok to look at someone and think “ He doesn’t look “right”, something isn’t right with him” and you move away from them.  You’re avoiding confrontation.  You’re giving yourself time to think and to start planning how you may have to handle contact with this person. This bad guy made it very easy to determine his intentions.

Rob- What should one of your students have done in this situation?

Tony- Move to the side.  Move behind cover or concealment if possible, draw and fire at the bad guy until he stops or goes away. Reload, lock the door, call the police.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed in your car?  

You’re a 72 year old man.  A young woman you know from the neighborhood asks you for a ride to her apartment to pick up some clothes.  You give her a ride, and as she asks you to stop the car, two men come out from behind the building.  One of these two men has a gun.  They demand your wallet.  They hit you in the head.  You grab your gun and shoot the closest attacker.

Both men run to a waiting car and drive away.

You call police.  It turns out your passenger has a long criminal record, as do her two accomplices.

Tony- The senior citizen brought his “A” game to a fight for his life. He was attacked but he had an option the bad guys didn’t expect. He used his firearm effectively against multiple attackers and won the fight for his life.

Rob- I think this robbery happened in broad daylight.  That is another reason to be off-guard.

Tony- Safety and security are feelings not facts. There is no completely safe place and no there is no safe time. Bad guys don’t have set working hours, they work 7 days a week 24 hours a day.  Oh and DON’T GIVE STRANGERS RIDES!

Rob-  The news story says the victim was agitated after the attack.

Tony- That is normal. He was physically attacked by two men after giving a lady a ride. He had to use his firearm to stop a disparity of force attack that could have cost him his life. The shock of being attacked and the adrenaline dump after the fight could cause people to faint, have heart attacks or other health issues.

Rob- What would you want your students to do it this situation.

Tony- Hopefully my students won’t put themselves in that situation but if they did they would have their windows up and doors locked if the car was moving. They should carry their firearm on them because it has to be within reach to be useful.

Rob- I’ve fired a gun from inside a vehicle.  The noise will surprise you.

Tony- Firing a gun inside an enclosure without ear protection is disconcerting to say the least. You must fight when your life depends on it and everything else becomes secondary.

Rob- What else did this man do right?

Tony- He was surprised, outnumbered and injured.  He didn’t give up.  He got his gun.  He pointed it at the attacker that was the greatest threat.  He pulled the trigger until the threat stopped.  He looked for other threats.  Then, and this is important too, the intended victim stopped shooting when the threats went away.

Rob- And your students learn to do that?

Tony- My students learn and PRACTICE that with me.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 72 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 72. Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 72 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.   Happy Birthday.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  I’ve been teaching and training.  We’re working both indoors and out.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Rob- Jeff, we have some listener feedback.  Clayton wanted to let us know that in this world of iPhones, Siri can call 911! I teach my students to practice calling 911.  You can gain experience by calling 911 when you see something suspicious as you drive.  

I’ve tried “Siri call 911/the police/the cops” and they all worked. Siri gives you a five second countdown to cancel if you didn’t mean to do it.

I’m not saying Siri is 100% reliable, but it’s another tool on your belt when you are in various situations when you don’t want to take your eyes off of. Like operating a vehicle, or holding someone at gunpoint!

Thank you, Clayton.

Jeff- You can use these stories to practice your 9111 calls.

Our first story took place last week in Houston, Texas.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re standing behind the counter of your jewelry store.  It is three in the afternoon when three men burst through the front doors.  They have guns.  They start shouting for your money, so you back up towards the cash drawer.  One of the thugs hits you in the head with his pistol.  You stumble behind the counter and come up with the gun you keep there.  You shoot your attackers.  All three of them run.

You call for help.  EMS bandages the back of your head and neck.  The police tell you that one of the robbers went to the hospital.  One was dumped by the side of the road and died.  The police are looking for the third attacker.

 

Jeff- No remote door lock

3 men in a jewelry store is suspicious even without bursting in.

He had lots of time before this ever happened to mentally map possible scenarios.

No POGO

He bought a gun and stashed it.  The gun is a magic talisman to ward off evil.

He encountered a problem that was greater than he had prepared to handle.

He lost the distance initiative

He may have been able to issue a verbal challenge

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Columbia, Ohio.

Rob- Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?

You’re sleeping at home with your girlfriend and your young son.  You hear someone break into the front of your house.  You grab a hammer and walk toward the sound.  You fight with the two intruders.  Then you run outside to your car and grab your gun.  You run back inside and shoot your two attackers.  They run.  Your son and girlfriend are shocked, but not hurt.  Your two attackers were arrested and taken to the hospital.

Jeff- this man had to run out of his home to get his self-defense tool..and then run back inside.  This man was lucky. I train my students to do a better job.

Rob- how was he lucky?

Jeff-He is lucky he survived a two-on-one attack.  What would have happened if he failed and the attackers had reached his girlfriend and child?

The front door was locked

Hammer as a defensive tool against 2 attackers

A Car is not a holster (guns used in crimes often times were stolen from parked cars).

He had to leave his loved ones with the attackers still in the house.

Gun with you

lock the door to your bedroom.

Girlfriend call the police.

Jeff- Our third story happened last week in Sarasota, Florida

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re working at your fast food job?

You’re working behind the counter at Pizza Hut.  It is late in the evening on a Tuesday night.  Two men wearing masks walk in and demand the money in the cash register.  You are armed.  One of the thugs points his gun at you.  Another one of the robbers starts hitting one of your co-workers.  You step behind the cash register as you draw your gun.  You shoot the nearest robber three times.  The other robber is running away before you can point your gun at him.

Police arrest the two robbers and their two accomplices when they went to the hospital seeking medical treatment.

Jeff- Problems get easier when you are properly prepared

Step to the side and draw shot the closest threat 3 times and the other threat left.

As soon as real resistance was shown our hero was in control.  

Our defender was only 22

We teach students that are too young to apply for their CCWL in FL

Jeff- Good that he had a gun on his body, and the defender was only 22 years old.

Rob- What skills do your students need to defend themselves like this?

Jeff-  safety, accuracy, presentation, movement, awareness and recognition,

Rob-  that is more than one class.

Jeff- several classes, and practice.  How well do you want to do in the real world exam?

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff- Our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com in Naples, Florida.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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