Episode 55 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 55 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 55 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.

Hi, Robyn.  How have you been?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

We‘ve been busy.  We were at the  tactical conference last week in Little Rock, Arkansas.  It was good to see you there.  We also took a MAG 40 class.  I have the Florida State Shoot for The Well Armed Woman next week.    I’m lucky to see old friends and make new ones at these classes.  Speaking of old friends, welcome back to our regular listeners, and hi to our new listeners.

On this podcast, we report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Louisiana.

Rob- First story- Are you armed at home when you answer the doorbell early in the morning?  You’re asleep in your home in Breaux Bridge, Louisiana.  You wake up as someone rings your doorbell again and again.  It isn’t easy to wake up at 3 in the morning.  Half awake, you are about to answer the door when your spouse tells you to take your gun with you.  You see one man standing outside your back door.  The stranger said his car broke down and he needed help.  The strange man turns his head to one side as he speaks.  You open the door a crack and look in the same direction.  There you see a man dressed in black clothes standing by your rose bushes.  The second stranger is wearing a mask and carrying a rifle.  You slam the door closed and yell a warning to your family.  The robber kicks in the door.  You take two steps back and shoot your attacker.  He was the man carrying the rifle.  You move the rifle away from the robber who is now laying on the ground.  You and your family are uninjured, but you’re sure shaken up.

Police arrest both the injured robber at the scene, and they arrest the second injured robber a few miles away.  Both were taken to a local hospital in critical condition.  Both suspects are wanted for an armed robbery and shooting that occurred in Baton Rouge the day before.  In that incident, the homeowner was shot.  Both robbers have a criminal record.  No charges will be filed against you.

Robyn – Prevention – harden your home – Now is the time to do everything that we can to prevent an attack and to make ourselves as safe as possible if we are attacked.

  •        A gate around the property if possible – keep people off your property
  •        Motion sensored lighting
  •        Cameras – interior and exterior
  •        Camera doorbells – limited field of view but you can see and talk from a distance
  •        Trim shrubbery – eliminate “hiding” places or blind spots
  •        Fortify the locks – deadbolts etc.
  •        Alarm systems – some have panic buttons and sirens
  •        Use the locks and alarms!  I am amazed at the number of people who leave the doors unlocked and only set the alarm when the go on vacation

Attackers don’t want to be seen or heard.  If you are too much of a “problem” for them there are so many others that they can go rob or attack.  No guarantee but I want to do everything that I can to prevent it.

It seems obvious that our homeowner was already behind the curve when the door bell is ringing over and over and our sleepy homeowner is heading down to the door.

Rob- This homeowner was really lucky that his spouse stopped him from opening the door unarmed.

Robyn – It is important to have the gun close, preferable in a holster, in case the homeowner needed it.

Rob – So this homeowner did something right.  He had a gun

Robyn – Yes, and he had already decided to protect his family if they were threatened.  That is great.  Now imagine how much better this scenario could have been if the husband AND the wife had both had a gun and were prepared to work together.   Working together is a huge force multiplier.

Rob- I need a solid door.  My wife and I need to be armed.  What else can we learn from this couple’s experience?

Robyn – Do NOT open the door not even a crack!

  •         That is why I like the new doorbells – you can see and talk to someone on the outside without opening the door.  You could be upstairs in a relatively safe room with your loved ones while you are instructing the person at your door to leave.  It would be great if another family member was on the phone with 911.  That would get help on the way and the 911 recording would document that you tried to get them to leave.
  •        You have to train your spouse, housemate and children not to open doors for strangers.
  •       Sometimes they use a decoy to get the door open and then the real attack begins.  In this case the bad guy at the door did not appear too threatening (someone unprepared might open the door to help him) but his accomplice in the rose bushes with a rifle and a mask (I don’t think even an unprepared person would have opened the door to help him.
  •       Schedule some time to train your housemates.  

Rob- You can do that tonight.

Robyn – In this case the bad guy said that the car was broken down and he needed help.  I am pretty skepticism about car broken down story – almost everyone today has a cell phone.  They can call for help.

Robyn – If I decided to talk to them through my doorbell camera/speaker, I don’t know how to fix a car.  I could offer to call 911 for them.  I imagine that they robbers would not be likely to hang around if I tell them that I have already called 911 and help is on the way.

Robyn – Sometimes they know to see if someone is home – if not burglary is easier

       Sometimes they want someone home

– use to open safes, get valuables

– might just want to attack

In either case if they know that police are on the way.  The clock has started on this attack. They don’t want to be around when the police arrive.

Robyn- Slammed door and yelled for the family.  

Do they know what to do? Come to him, hide, run??    

Family discussions and drills.

Robyn – I noticed that the homeowner took 2 steps back   If the robber with a rifle was advancing toward the homeowner, the robber could go much faster going forward than the homeowner could go backward. The robber would have his sights on the homeowner.  The homeowner would have to be careful not to trip.  If possible, work toward an angle.  If there was time, the homeowner should try to put a barrier between like furniture or a couch.  I imagine this happened very fast once the bad guys decided to enter the house.

Robyn – The homeowner shot the man with the rifle first.  Good job that robber was the most immediate threat.

Robyn – After the robber was shot and had fallen to the ground, the homeowner kicked the rifle away.  If the homeowner could safely get the weapons away it is a good idea.   

Robyn – As soon as it is safe to do so call 911.  Get the police and an ambulance on the way.

Rob- The Bureau of Justice Statistics said that almost half of us will be victims of a violent crime sometime in our lifetime.  The average hides more than it reveals.  Your chance of being attacked depends on where you live and what you do.    Some of us are less likely to be attacked, and some of us are more likely.

Robyn – Tom Givens says that it is not the odds but the stakes that is important.  You are not very likely to lose your family tonight, but who wants to take that chance.

Rob- Good point.  Let me say thank you to all our listeners who own a gun and are trained to use it.

Robyn- Our second story took place in Missouri.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed when you work at a kid’s party store?

You own a party store in North Saint Louis.  The room is filled with rubber balloons, helium balloons and mylar balloons.  You’re busy preparing the next  order when a teenage customer walks in at 11 o’clock in the morning.  The customer looks around the store and selects the balloon he wants.  He brings it to the cash register. Instead of reaching for his wallet,  the teenage boy pulls back his coat and shows you the grip of a gun that is tucked into his pants.  “Give me the money,” he says.

You’re armed.  You see a lethal threat.  You grab the handgun that you keep behind the counter and fire one time.  The robber turns and runs from the store.  You check, and neither you, nor your customers, nor any bystanders are hurt.  Then you call the police.  The police say they will charge the teenage robber when he gets out of the hospital.  You won’t be charged.

Robyn- obvious that the store owner understood that this could happen.

Rob- So the store owner made a decision and had a gun?

Robyn – He was physically prepared – he had a gun at work.  He was mentally prepared to use lethal force to defend himself.

Rob- What if the robber had been talking to the owner and they were both standing in the middle of his store when the robber drew his gun?  Then the store owner would have been disarmed even though the robber still has a gun.

Robyn- You don’t have a gun if it is out of reach.  On body carry would have been better for the shop owner.  Also, call the police as soon as possible.

Rob- So this store owner had a gun.  Maybe some of our listeners are shop owners.  I bet your students ask you this question all the time.  What should someone do if they are not familiar with firearms and they want a gun for personal protection?

Robyn- Go shooting with an instructor or a trusted friend.  Take a class, because knowing what to do and how to do it is much more important than the particular hardware you use.

Rob- If you want to get somewhere, you need a map.

Robyn- Right.  It will take a few trips to the range before you find the gun that is right for you.  Gun owners need to know how to safely operate their firearm and they need to learn how to shoot.

Get some scenario based training too.  That is a fancy way of saying you want to act out your self-defense training with other people.  You put your skills and training to the test without the possibility of injuring anyone.  That way we can safely look at each action to see what went well and what we could improve.

Rob- You told me you used to use these stories with your students so they could brainstorm solutions.  Do you still do that?

Robyn- I do.  I had a meeting last night.  We ran through the scenarios to brainstorm ideas and consequences of our action choices.  Great discussion.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Georgia.

Rob- and we’ll hear about being armed in Georgia after this brief message.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  Your job is pretty simple.  They call, and you come fix their problem.  You’re a maintenance man for a chain of sandwich shops in Acworth, Georgia.  You arrive early  in the day so the customers wouldn’t see you working on the cooling and washing equipment during the lunchtime rush.  You are almost finished with this repair and it is only 10:30 in the morning.  You hear shouts from the front of the store near the sandwich counter.  You turn and see a 20 year old standing behind the counter with a gun. You know the employees, and he isn’t one of them.  This thug is pointing his gun at the clerk.  You draw your own weapon and shoot the thug once in the chest.  The attacker turns and runs from the store.

Police say a getaway car dumped the injured robber at a local urgent care clinic.  The robber will be charged once he gets out of the hospital.  You are not facing charges.

Rob- You’re a third party to the robbery.  Should you be a good witness or get involved?

Robyn- As a third party you have no duty to intervene.

Robyn – Take some time now to make a mental list of people and situations where you’re going to use lethal force to defend someone.  Intervening in a third party dispute means that you are risking your treasure and your freedom and your life to defend that person.

Robyn – People should be responsible for their own safety.  It is not our duty as gun owners to defend someone who has neither training nor a gun.

Rob- Some adults chose to be disarmed.

Robyn-  Right, but kids didn’t have a choice.  Now is the time to make the moral decisions about what you would do, not in the moment of the attack.

Rob- You won’t have time to think, but you will have time to execute the actions you already considered.  The maintenance man decided he would protect some people he knew if a stranger threatened them with a gun.  That was his plan.

Robyn- When you’re protecting a stranger, you have to be sure of the details from beginning to end.  In this case, the entire robbery took place in front of the defender.

Rob- So the defender had a plan on when he would use deadly force for personal protection.  Did he have a plan on when to stop shooting?

Robyn- Yes.  The maintenance man only fired one shot.  Good discipline – as soon as the threat stops, so does the justification to use lethal force.  Those simple rules allow us to act quickly and to stop quickly.

Rob- What is the next step?  What is the next simple rule we want to know?

Robyn-  Make sure you’re safe, then call 911. This not only gets help on the way, it is the beginning of the next fight.  That is the potential legal battle.

Rob- Exit- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  They can also contact us on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 54 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 54 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction– Welcome to episode 54 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been?

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Ohio.

Rob- First story- Are you armed as you arrive home?  You’re a young woman and you are walking back home at 7:45 in the morning.  A man walks up beside you as you approach your apartment door.  He’s wearing a mask.  He has a gun.  You’re being robbed, right in front of you apartment in Cleveland, Ohio.  The robber tells you to open the door or he’ll shoot you.  He forces you inside.  He takes your purse, your keys, and your phone.  Then he walks upstairs.  He tries to rob the man living upstairs.  They fight.  The man living upstairs in the apartment grabs the robber’s gun and and shoots him several times.  The robber stumbles down stairs and falls to the floor.

The defender then calls for police and medical first responders.  The defender walks outside the apartment and waves to police.  He guides them to the crime scene. Police pronounced the robber dead at the scene.  The police say the robbers was using a stolen gun.

The two young children living in the apartment were not hurt.

Jeff- Walking home Awareness Looking Aware Flashlight

Be ready to drop or throw what is in your hand

She was forced let him in.  The robber was able the enter the building unannounced (except for noises made by the initial struggle outside the building.

The Defender grabs the robbers gun and uses it against the robber.  The repeated phrase “if you have a gun it will be used against you” comes to mind.  In reality guns are taken away from robbers and criminals by victims most often, not the other way around.  Law enforcement get their guns taken more often than non-LEOs because they have to get so close to criminals.

The gun was stolen.  Keep your guns on you or locked up.

Jeff- Our second story took place in Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you stop for gasoline at night?  It’s only 8:30 in the evening.  You pull into the gas station in Houston, Texas to buy gas and get a drink.  You’re walking up to the office when a stranger comes around the corner of the building.  He pulls a gun out of his pocket and points it at you.  He wants your wallet, your phone and your keys.  You fumble for a few seconds while the robber points his gun at you.  You step to the side and present your own firearm.  You shoot the robber several times.  The robber is shooting too.  The robber falls to the ground and you run back to your car.

Police arrive a few minutes later.  Your gun is back in its holster.  You walk up to them and say you defended yourself.  You have a permit to carry concealed.

Jeff- be the first person to call the police.  You want to make sure to say that you’re the victim and tell them what you look like.  This is really important in this situation.  What if someone else sees you shoot the robber and they give the police your description as the bad guy?  If the robber has your cell phone, then go inside the business and ask them to call the police.

Side step worked.  Corner of the building is dangerous.  Usually the doors are in the middle of the building.  Try to have a direct rout but avoid traps.

Just because your being shot at or shot doesn’t give you permission to give up.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Alabama.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home and at work?  You live where you work at your small boat store in Foley, Alabama.  With thirty to forty boats sitting outside, you need to be close by.  People come by at all hours looking for repair parts as well. That’s fine.  You have lots of regular customers after being here for ten years.

You were upstairs when you heard someone smash through the front of your store.  It’s dark outside so you can’t see what’s happening.  You stayed upstairs and grabbed your gun.  You retreated to your bedroom were looking for your cell phone.  Some big guy with an ax starts chopping his way through your bedroom door.   The intruder breaks down the door.  He is wearing a black bandana over his face.  You’re 77 years old, so you’re not going to wrestle with this guy.  The attacker comes toward you and you fire.  Your gun is really loud inside the small room, but you keep firing until the attacker stops.

Then you call police.  It is hard to dial the phone because your fingers are shaking.  It is hard to hear what the police say because it is hard to hear anything after shooting your gun indoors.

The police say your attacker died at the scene.  They pick up his two partners.  One was acting as a lookout, and the second was waiting in their getaway car.  The police admit you acted in self-defense.

Jeff- Motion sensor lights inside.  Cameras outside.  Cell phone always in familiar spot.  Electronic ear pro by the bed.  Silencer on defensive tools at home.

Jeff- Late at night.  Break in.  Where is your gun?

Rob- Should you turn on the light?

Rob- Exit- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  (any upcoming classes?)

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.


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Episode 53 with David Cole

Welcome to episode 53 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor David Cole joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

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Introduction- Rob- I’m Rob Morse, and welcome to episode 53 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  Firearms instructor Dave Cole is with us this week.

It has been a little cold to compete outside, but other than that, how have you been?

Dave- Hi, Rob.  Yeah, it’s too cold and dark to shoot steel after work, but it’s getting lighter and warmer every day. Check out my latest post at Black Man With A Gun, called “March Madness” for more about the benefits of competition.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Nebraska.

First story-  Are you armed at your local barbershop?  You and your brother run a barbershop together.  Your family lives upstairs, and you’re both cutting hair on a Friday morning.  Customers were in the chars and in the shop waiting their turn.  That is when a stranger walked in and pushed to the front of the line.

This stranger was carrying a shotgun and a backpack.  He dropped the backpack on the ground and  pointed the shotgun at you.  He yelled, “You and everyone else, put everything in the bag.”

You glance at your brother.  He nods in reply.

“Here, take it,” you say, as you throw your wallet on the floor.  You and your brother are both licensed to carry.  You’re both armed.  You wait your turn and step back.  Your brother draws first as the thief reaches down to grab your wallet.  Your gun is drawn a second later.  The thief shoots at you, and then both you and your brother are shooting at him.  The thief runs from your barbershop.  The entire robbery was over in seconds and captured on your security video.

You had a plan.  Other stores in the area were robbed.  You knew what you’d do because you talked about it before.  You tell reporters that everyone needs a plan.

The police collected the robber from where he’d collapsed outside.  They took him to a local hospital, and wouldn’t comment on his condition.  The thief’s bullets shattered a mirror on the back wall.  Thank goodness that neither you, your family or your customers were injured.  You and your brother start sweeping up the broken glass.

Dave- Violent attacks happen fast.  Knowing what to do saves you time.  Having a plan can be more important than having the fastest draw. Visualize your daily routine, and when and where an attack might happen. Then think “what would I do?”

Rob-  But practice helps too, doesn’t it?

Dave-  Sure it helps to practice, but practice saves you fractions of a second.  Having a plan can save whole seconds…and that’s a lot. It’s important to note what their plan accomplished, which was to distract the robber by throwing a wallet on the floor, creating the opportunity for the armed brother to draw his gun.

This is the value of “wargaming” scenarios…actually thinking about how a violent encounter might go down, and then how you might deal with it.

Rob-  You don’t have ten seconds to calm down and think.

Dave- Our second story took place in California.

Second Story-  Are you armed at work at 3 in the morning?

It’s a messy business, but someone has to do it if your customers want fresh pastry and doughnuts on their way to work.   You don’t stay in the bakery business if flour and sugar bother you.  All is not sweetness and light here in Lancaster, California.  Being a baker means you go to work in the dark.  Your day is half done by the time most people wake up.  Your daughter owns the shop, but you help her at night.

It was early morning when you heard the crash of glass from the front of the shop.  You looked up and saw two man run past the cash register and head towards the back of the store.  He’s carrying the tire iron he used to break through the front of the store.   Your daughter was back there.  You drew your firearm and fired.  Both thieves turned and ran.  One of the thieves dropped the cash register.  The other one dropped to the pavement outside.

You called police.  You’d thought about what to say because you’d been robbed before at another bakery where you worked. That is why you were carrying today.  You couldn’t get a concealed carry permit since you work in Los Angeles County, but you can still carry at work and at home.  Neither you nor the other employees at the store were hurt.

Dave- (There are California gun owners. Carry at work.  Carry on your body. Protect the people you care about.) Once again, here is a business owner who was prepared. People who work at odd hours such as this bakery owner, convenience store workers, and the like are often at high risk for crime. Rob, you have more intimate knowledge of California gun laws than I do, but it IS possible to have a defensive firearm, right?

Dave- So this baker didn’t simply surrender his safety to restrictive California gun laws; he found a way to do what he could within the constraints of the law to be prepared for violent crime, and it made all the difference.

Dave- Our third story took place in Idaho.

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Third story- Rob- Are you armed when you’re driving your young daughter to school in the morning?  Monday’s are hard.  You got your 9-year-old daugher up, got her fed and had just dropped her off at school in Boise, Idaho.  You were driving alone and had slowed down to stop at the corner.  That is when a man jumped in front of your car and pulled open the driver’s side door.  You slammed on the brakes and the car stalled.  The carjacker demanded your keys and your purse.  He started hitting you in the head when he didn’t get what he wanted as fast as he wanted it.

Your attacker grabbed your hair and tried to drag you out of your car.  You yelled, “’OK, OK, that’s enough! I’ll give you my purse.”  That is what you said, but that isn’t what you did.  You reached into the console of your car and grabbed your gun.  You turned and pointed your pistol at your attacker.  His plans changed in an instant.  He turned and ran.

You called the police.  The suspect is still at large.

Dave-  Great job to this mom.  She thought about what to do because you don’t have time to think while you’re getting hit in the head.  If there’s a common theme in our stories today, it’s “have a plan.” While the saying that “no plan survives the first contact,” it is still better to have a plan and adapt as necessary, than to have no plan at all.

It was fortunate that her daughter wasn’t with her, which would have made for a much more complex problem.  I can imagine how I would feel if my young nieces were in the car while I was attacked.  But that’s exactly why I carry, and it’s great that this mom was prepared and had her gun near her.

This is where things get complicated.  I want our listeners to imagine they are driving with a child in the back seat.   What if the thief had jumped into the passenger seat and grabbed her purse and her gun?  I’m well trained, and I don’t want to have to solve that problem.

Better if she had her doors locked, especially since the news story doesn’t indicate that the carjacker was armed.  Better still if she had her gun on her person. What if he had managed to drag her out of the car and away from her gun?

 

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Dave, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Dave- I teach in the Cincinnati area.  They can contact me at Aegis Solutions for firearms instruction.  I also write at the Blackman with a Gun website.  Our listeners can reach me at either site. I’d also like to mention that our big “family reunion” is right around the corner…the NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits, and we’d love to see you there. It’s in Atlanta, Georgia, April 27-30, at the Georgia World Congress Center.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Dave-  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 52 with Elizabeth Hautman

Welcome to episode 52 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

 

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 52 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Elizabeth Hautman.

Hi, Elizabeth.  How have you been?

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob. Happy birthday to the Self-Defense Gun Stories Podcast.  We’re a year old.

Rob- Thank you. And thank you to our listeners.

Elizabeth-  Let’s not forget them.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Elizabeth- Rob, I want you to take this story first, because I have children at home.  Our first story took place this month in Oklahoma.

Rob- First story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re at home with your children on a Friday afternoon.  You hear sounds coming from the other end of the house.  That wasn’t the kids roughhousing.  Your daughter shouts, “Mom, someone is trying to open the front door.”  You go look, and by the time you get there, the visitor is gone.  Then you hear the sound of breaking glass.  Someone is breaking into your house through your children’s bedroom.  You grab your gun and walk towards the noise.  The kids are out of their room, but a stranger is climbing in through the broken window.

You yell, and then you shoot.  The female intruder runs away, and you call police.

The intruder was cut by the broken glass.  She tried to break into several other houses.  She also tried to break INTO a police car.  She was arrested by the Tulsa police, booked on first-degree burglary, attempted larceny of a vehicle, two counts of possession of a controlled drug and for resisting arrest.  The intruder was taken for medical treatment and then to jail.

Elizabeth-   There are quite a few lessons with this story.  Good job mom/dad for teaching the kids to notice the door issues and report the problem.  The kiddos didn’t open the door – never open the door!  That is a tough lesson for adults as well.  I can communicate through my door, and with the new doorbell technology, I can talk through that.  No need to open the door.

Rob- Good job kids.

Elizabeth-   Good job mom for recognizing the threat and retrieving her firearm.  I would always hope there is time to call the police before you shoot, but that is unrealistic at best.  Maybe if the kids are old enough, they could be on the phone.  Mom must have been hustling too!  She kept it together, because, I know, when my kids are in danger, the stress level and pressure will increase – calm heads must prevail.

Rob- How easy is it for new students to realize that they have a breakin?

Elizabeth- about 80 percent of my students are moms and new moms.  The question comes up again and again, will I have time to get my gun.  I have two answers.  This may sound a like a little much for people new to firearms, but the best place for me to keep my firearm, away from kids and always ready, is on my body.  It is in a secure holster and ready in 2 seconds.  But if that is not your style, and for many it isn’t, a safe, close at hand – like the one in my friend’s kitchen, is a good option as well.  

As a firearms owner it is my responsibility to keep my guns out of the hand of unauthorized people – my kids.  So yes there is a compromise, but the safe is easy open and will still keep my firearm close.

Lastly –  the character of the lady breaking in.  When I have students explain how racking the slide of a shotgun would scare away a criminal – they assume the criminal is of sound mind. This story states that the mom was screaming at the lady coming through the window before she fired her gun.  Any sane person would have high tailed it back out the window with the threat of being shot – this illustrates how deranged, or drugged up an intruder may be.  The intruder went on to even try to break into a police car.  The epitome of crazy.  You can never assume the intruder will think like you do.

Rob- 80 percent of criminals are high on drugs when they attack someone or break in.

Elizabeth- Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed at work?  You own a small barbeque restaurant in Houston Texas.  You’re 70 years old, and you’ve run J & S  Jeff’s Kitchen for a while.  It is late Saturday night.  You’ve closed up the place and are walking to your car to drive home home.  Two young men jump out from behind the dumpster and move toward you.  One of them has a gun out and he is pointing it at you.  They yell at you.  You know the drill.  You’ve been robbed before.  That is why you have a gun in your pocket tonight.

You didn’t see the thugs coming out of the darkness.  Now the darkness works to your advantage.  You draw your pistol and fire at the armed robber nearest to you.  He falls to the pavement.  You move and look for his partner.  The other robber is already running away.

It is hard to talk, but you call the police and try to explain what happened.

The police and EMTs arrive.  They take the wounded robber to the hospital where he died.  The police are looking for his partner.

Darkness, physical response

Elizabeth- The restaurant owner had a plan.  It is better to recognize the problem quickly so you can shoot slowly and accurately.  This older man did exactly that.  He had worked out his shoot and move strategy beforehand.

Rob- What can I do to recognize a robbery without on-the-job experience of being robbed?

Elizabeth-  You need to think about it ahead of time, and have a plan.

Rob- Give me an example.  What would I think, and what would I want to do?

Elizabeth- If I see people come out of the dark towards me with a gun, I’ll step to the side, draw my firearm, and defend myself.  Get off the line.  Keep moving, keep looking for bad guy number 2 or 3. Keep looking for cover, or an escape.

You don’t have to have a fire in your home to practice a fire drill – it just takes practice and FORETHOUGHT.  The same with a violent encounter.  Discuss with your spouse – what you might do if you hear an intruder.  Who goes to the kids, who calls the police, who retrieves the firearm.  Discuss with your co-workers – who leaves last, who will walk to the car – do you all leave together?  Work out a safety plan in advance.

Rob- The store owner was robbed at night.. Again.

Elizabeth- We can’t see well in the dark.  But this is important, neither can the criminals.  Action beats reaction.  That is why you need a plan.  A plan lets you take action when your brain locks up.  The animal instincts can kick in and should be expected if you are in fear for your life.  Training and practice can help anyone overcome that fearful paralysis.  The plan is the key.

It is hard for us to identify what is happening in the dark.  It is also hard for the criminals to recognize that their intended victim is defending himself.  Criminals pick their victims because they think they WON’T/CAN’T defend themselves.  Always be ready.  This BBQ owner was, and he had a strategy for survival.  I’m sure he knew the terrain better than the assailants in the dark as well – his advantage.

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Another thought might have been to install lights.  Although the previous story illustrated that attackers don’t think like we do, and the light may not have deterred them, but lights help.  

It was also great that the restaurant owner called 911-  I recommend that if you ever get into a situation like this, get to safety, check to see if you are hurt, then call 911.  Remember you are the victim! You have been attacked and you defended yourself.  Give your statement to the police ONLY with your ATTORNEY present!

Elizabeth- Our third story took place in Illinois.

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Third story- Rob- Are you armed when you’re in your car?

You’re driving a friend to her home.  You are 70 years old, and at your age, lots of your friends don’t drive any more.  It is harder to drive at night, but this is a sunny day at 10 in the morning.  Traffic isn’t too bad in Venice, Illinois, just across the river from Saint Louis, Missouri.  You arrive at your destination and stop to say goodby.

A car pulls up next to you.  They ask for directions.  In a moment, the passenger in the other car has a gun out and pointed at you.  He wants you to get out of your car.

You’re armed.  You’re also a vietnam veteran, so you go to work.  You wait for the right moment, and shoot the armed robber closest to you.  You also shoot the robber behind the wheel.  Then you and your passenger move to safety and call police.

The armed robber died at the scene.  The wounded driver was taken to the hospital.  Police told you that the two thugs had probably robbed another driver that morning.  They were wanted for questioning in as many as 20 robberies last year.  Both robbers had long criminal records.

Elizabeth-  Criminals look for older people to rob.  They always look for the easy target.  The distracted mom, the dreamy teen or the old person.  Gray hair can make you a target.  The best way to keep my students safe is to teach them to be aware of their surroundings and not act like a target.  Walk with a purpose, make eye contact, keep your phone in your pocket, look behind you when you leave a store.  These are habits that could make the difference between you being a victim or not.

Rob- So it wasn’t an accident that they chose two older people?

Elizabeth-??  Nope, and this older man had a plan.  Over the years, he had kept his skills sharp, and was alert!  I tell my students to be aware, not paranoid, but know where the exits are, pay attention to the people around you.  This veteran was aware and recognized the threat from the first question – asking for directions.  The questions close the space, can distract you and the excuse of asking a question brought the bad guy right up to the car.  This veteran was not fooled and was ready.

Rob- Broad daylight

Elizabeth-  Daylight, but the thieves couldn’t see into the car.  Think about it – it is difficult to see into a vehicle unless you are right up close.  Also, just because it is daytime, never become complacent.  Bad things happen anytime of day.

Rob- Two criminals versus two victims.

Elizabeth-   Yes there is safety in numbers, and there were two attackers.  Sometimes there are more.  But you can practice and train for an event like this.  Get with an instructor, go through possible scenarios, develop your defensive skills.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Elizabeth-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share it with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 51 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 51 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 51 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

How have you been?

Ben- Hi, Rob. Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Ben- Our first story took place this month in Pennsylvania.

First story-  Are you armed at work late at night?  You’re a small Laotian woman.  Your three teenage girls are at home. But you, you manage a laundromat about 15 miles west of Philadelphia.   It is early in the morning and you are at work.  You have the night shift tonight..and every night, seven days a week.  You’re mopping the floor at this hour.  A man walks into your laundromat with his gun drawn.  You’ve been robbed at gunpoint before.  This robber pushes you back toward the back and demands money.  You don’t have any.  Then the robber tells you to strip off your clothes.  He pushes you into a back room.  This time you fight.  You grab his gun and fire.  He leans away from you for a moment and you run.  You don’t stop running until you reach the all-night convenience store across the street.  That is when you notice that you still have your attackers gun in your hand.  The convenience store employees call police.  They arrest your attacker a few blocks away.  His left arm is shattered.  He has a police record.

Ben- Good for her.   It would have been better if she had a gun of her own rather than having to take her attackers gun.  Philadelphia is anti-gun.  But this wasn’t in Philadelphia.  The victim could carry at work.

Rob- You can get a permit in most Pennsylvania counties. They cost some money, but you can get them.  

Ben- What bothers me is the cost.  Some counties make it expensive.  This woman was working hard to support her family by working seven days a week.  Maybe she couldn’t afford a class, and registration, and permits.

Rob- She fought hand to hand.

Ben- Our second story took place in Maryland.

Second Story- Are you armed at home?  You and your husband are at home this morning.  You live in a well to do rural neighborhood about 16 miles east of Washington, DC. You hear someone at your front door.  You turn around and a stranger is standing inside your home.  You ask him who he is, and then tell him to leave.  He doesn’t.  You yell, and then your husband comes toward the front of the house.  He pushed the intruder towards the front door.  The intruder pushes back.  They fight.  Your husband shoots the intruder once in the leg.  The intruder staggers, then grabs a metal bar and tries to attack your husband again.  Your husband shoots his attacker in the head.  The attacker runs from your home.

The attacker is arrested 300 feet from your home.  Police say your attacker is wanted for a number of break ins in the area.  There is a warrant waiting for him when your attacker is released from the hospital.

Ben- Some Maryland counties issue.  Some don’t.  The male homeowner used to work for the FBI, so maybe he was able to get a permit.  He was armed at home in any case.

Rob- It sounds like his wife wasn’t armed.

Ben- (teams vs single attacker)

Rob- This story is unusual in what it didn’t say.  It didn’t say the robber broke in and the homeowners were alerted by the sound.

Ben-  The door was unlocked.

Ben- Our third story took place in Philadelphia.

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Third story- Are you armed when you make deliveries late at night?  You have kids at home, and you’re trying to make ends meet.  You’re delivering pizza at 7 at night.  It is dark at that hour given the time of year.  You get out of your car and three strangers step from the shadows around the building in front of you.  One of them already has a gun pointed at you.  They demand your money and the pizza.  You drop the pizza and run.  You’re shot in the arm and the bullet then hits your hip and the gun in its holster.  You have your permit and are carrying legally.  You duck behind your car.  You make your arm work.  You’re able to draw your firearm.  Fortunately, your gun still works, and you shoot your armed attacker.  All three of them run.

You drive yourself to the hospital and ask the staff to call police.

Ben- Three on one.  They chose the time and place, so they have their guns out.

Rob- He moved, rather than present a standing target.

Ben- (movement)

They would have killed the driver for a couple of pizzas and the 80 dollars he had from his earlier deliveries.  These thugs don’t care about us.

Rob- They would commit murder for a few hours pay.  Do you talk about that to your students?  What is your student’s attitude toward their attackers?  Does their attitude change after the class?

Ben- Sometimes you have to see it to believe it.  I’ve seen it.  I saw it overseas.  We have selfish people here too.  They don’t think of us as human.  We’re insects to these bad people.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast.  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben-  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We create this podcast under a creative commons license, so please share it with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 50 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 50 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Amber Kunau joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 50 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for  people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.

How have you been?

Amber – Hi, Rob.  I’m… (it has been two months)

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Rob- Someone asked us why our discussion sometimes sounds scripted.  The answer is pretty simple.  I wasn’t at each of these robberies.  I collect the news accounts from several sources and put them together from the victim’s point of view.

Amber-  Some instructors write down every single word they want to say.  That can sound scripted.  Some instructors just write a few bullet points for the topics they want to cover.  That means that most of the conversation is free-form, and never makes it into the show notes.

Rob- I don’t know how to be both spontaneous and thoughtful.  I edit our half-hour conversation into a 15 minutes episode.  Lots of what we say never makes it onto the podcast.

Amber- So that is how two people who want to make clear concise points talk about self-defense.  Because it is really important information and we don’t want anything to get lost in translation.

Our first story took place last week in Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed as you stop for coffee in the morning?

It is an ordinary work day.  You’re driving to work on your usual route.  Traffic is the same as it was the day before.  You stop for gas, a snack, and coffee at your usual store.  You wait as a customer orders, and you start to place your regular order, just as you have for the last 15 years.

The bell rings and another customer walks in behind you.  He yells, and you and the clerk look up.  The guy is wearing a mask over his face, and he has a gun pointed at you.  The robber yells, “’open the drawer and both of you get back in the cooler.'”  That is what happened in a small town just north of Tampa, Florida.

The clerk moves toward the cooler, and you follow him.  The robber closes the door.  That is when it dawns on you.  No one can hear what happens in this refrigerated room.  No one on the street will see what happens here.  The robber could open the door, and you’d have no time to react.  “We have to get out of here.”  You’re carrying your gun, just as you have for years.  You have your Florida permit.

You draw your handgun and walk out of the cooler.  The armed robber turns toward you.  You shoot, and miss.  The robber doesn’t run.  Instead he charges you and reaches for your gun.  You shoot again, and the robber falls to the floor.

You stand there while the clerk calls the police.

The robber was shot in the hip.  He was taken to the hospital with non life threatening injuries.   The criminal had more than 11 previous arrests, including theft and burglary charges.

Amber- (warning shots)???? Rob I don’t read this as the person firing warning shots I read it as he shot and missed? Am I missing something?  

Rob- Not sure.

Your life is in danger, or it isn’t

You have the right to use lethal force or you don’t.

Every gunshot is potentially fatal.  Every one.  The ones you shoot and the ones shot at you.

Don’t carry a gun in the hope that you will frighten a robber into running away.  That is the wrong reason.  To carry every day, you are willing to kill in order to save a life that criminals put at risk. In self defense shootings there are no winners, only victims. If you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t carry a gun.

Rob- Have you seen new gun owners who are mentally choosing a gun that doesn’t look lethal?  Sometimes I wonder if people choose small guns to conceal, or because they think a small green gun isn’t as lethal as a large black one.

Amber – No I haven’t Rob have you?

Rob- How do warning shots get us killed?

Amber-  You gave the robber time to kill you.  I’m begging you.  Don’t do that.

Rob- Could you run out the back of the store?

Amber- I wasn’t there.  If you could run out without the robber seeing you, then that could be a choice.  My point is that you don’t have to put your life at risk in order to save the life of someone who is trying to kill you.

Rob- Wow.

Amber – Our second story took place in Maryland.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home while you watch TV in the evening?

Two women were watching TV late at night.  They heard someone break the sliding glass window at the back of their home.  They ran upstairs.  One of the homeowners called police.  The second woman headed down stairs with her gun.  The robber had a knife in each hand.  She held the robber for police.

The first homeowner remained on the phone and described the situation to the dispatcher.

Amber – Glad they are OK and had a gun at all. Think about keeping guns on every level of your home. Seconds count. They did the right thing calling the police right away but I question why one of them went back downstairs and put themselves closer to the intruder.

Rob-What do you think a better option would have been?

Amber – If they weren’t going back downstairs to protect a child or another person they should have stayed put upstairs and watched and listened from a distance until the police came. It’s easy to play monday morning quarterback but we want to make sure our listeners really think about these things long and hard.

Amber- Our third story took place in Michigan.


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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re out to eat with your date?  

You and your date are standing in line at the E&S Carry Out Shrimp Shack in Detroit.  You are looking at the menu and trying to decide what to have for dinner.  A young man comes into the restaurant and tells everyone to hand over their belongings.  You see the robber put his gun in your date’s face.

You throw your keys and wallet on the floor.  The thief turns to pick them up. You draw and fire one time.  The thief drops the gun and falls to the floor.  You kick the robber’s gun away.  Someone calls police.  You have your permit to carry.  You stay on scene and show your permit to police.

The armed citizen said, “I would have given him money if he asked for money.” but the robber wasn’t begging.

The robber was taken to the hospital for treatment of a gunshot wound to the stomach.

Amber- Stopped mass murder. There were the employees and at least four customers in the restaurant.

Rob- So the victim saved himself and everyone else.

Amber-  the victim said too much to police.  Please don’t say anything to the police other than you were in fear for your life, as long as you actually were in fear for your life.

Rob- People want to talk when they are excited.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on my Facebook page  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amber – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.  If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 49 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 49 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 49 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for people who think they might want a gun for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.

Tony – Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Pennsylvania.

First story-  Are you armed when you go out to pick-up Chinese food?  A 31 year old man walked across the street to pick up his order for Chinese food.  That done, he tried to return to his Philadelphia home.  A teenager punched the man in the face as he lef the restaurant.  The victim takes the punch, drops his food, and runs across the street trying to avoid a fight.  The robber pursues the victim and catches him across the street.  That is where the victim drew his firearm and shot the robber one time.

The victim stayed at the scene and spoke to police.  He had a license to carry.  The restaurant owner said that two people a week are mugged outside his store.

Tony – Be aware of what is happening in your neighborhood. Robberies by groups of young people have been happening in this area at the rate of  twice a week, according to a witness. If you know this type of crime is happening and you have a description of the suspects then be aware of people that fit the description.

Rob- The victim tried to run.  There wasn’t any question about who started this fight.

Tony -The victim did some things correctly. He dropped what he assumed the attacker wanted and tried to disengage from the confrontation. It seems that he was trying to avoid turning this strong armed robbery into a shooting. He placed rounds on target, making the bad guy stop and he waited for the police to arrive and gave a statement.

Rob- the victim stopped shooting.

Tony- It is hard to think in the moment if you haven’t thought about it ahead of time.

Rob- Could the victim have avoided the assault?

Tony – Our second story took place in Ohio.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home in the evening?  A Cleveland homeowner went out to his car  late friday night.  As he was returning from his driveway and attempting to go back inside when a stranger approached the homeowner.  The robber already had his gun drawn and told the homeowner to go back inside.  That is when another man inside the home saw the victim with his arms raised above his head.  The second homeowner recognized a robbery in progress.  He drew his firearm, and shot the robber. The robber ran.  The victims called police.

Tony – The homeowner got surprised by an armed suspect and complied with his demands. Lucky for him there was someone in the home that recognized what was happening and took action. This criminal had multiple weapons on him and was prepared to use them. Who knows what would have happened inside the home once the bad guy got them behind closed doors. Always let someone know when you are leaving the home, even to run outside really quickly. Not only because of situations like this but other mishaps can happen and without someone in the home knowing anything has happened to you. This could make a bad situation become worse.

For example, it’s cold up here in the Northeast and there are patches of black ice in people’s driveways and it gets dark early. A husband runs out to get something from the car and his wife, whose in another room assumes he’s inside the home. The husband falls and hits his head, is rendered unconscious and lays outside in freezing temperatures until he is discovered a couple of hours later. He could suffer from Hypothermia or Frostbite. This happened to my own father during the winter of 2014. Luckily he was discovered relatively quickly by a passerby and rushed to the hospital.

Rob-  The armed victim had to shoot at night at a moving assailant, with his friend near the target.  Not an easy shot.

Tony – The armed victim had to fire at night with a friend in close proximity to the bad guy. I tell my students that they most likely won’t get into a gunfight on a sunny day with a target that isn’t moving and has no one around him or her. You have to practice things like precision shot placement, shooting in low light and hitting moving targets. That is why we teach these skills and have force on force classes as part of our curriculum.

Tony- Our third story also took place in Ohio.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home late at night?  A man answered his back door late at night in Columbus, Ohio.  Two men said their car broke down and they needed to use a phone to summon help.  The homeowner stepped outside and was hit with a gun when he tried to return back inside his own home.  The robbers demanded money.  They robbers demanded to search the back of the home.  That is where two children were sleeping.  Instead of opening the back room, the female homeowner grabbed a gun and shot the robbers.  They ran, and the victims called police.  Both robbers sought medical attention and were arrested by police.

Tony-  Don’t open the door to strangers late at night.

Rob- What should the homeowner have done if someone asked for help?

Tony- If they have car problems and you want to help then you can make the call for them. There is no reason to open your door and give them your phone.

Rob- You don’t need a permit to carry at home.

Tony- They both could have been armed and not opened the front door. That would have kept bad men outside their home.

Tony- In the online video of this story the family is upset about this robbery and want to move somewhere safer, where they won’t have to depend on their gun for their safety. No matter where you go you are responsible for your safety and security. You are your own first responder.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  We have a class scheduled for March 4th in Pine Brook, New Jersey.  Sign up on our web page, BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony- We offer you this podcast for free.  We ask you to share them with a friend, and to give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

Episode 48 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 48 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jenna Meek joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 48 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for the many people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.

Jenna- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We’ll report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Oklahoma.

First story-  Are you armed at home early in the morning?  Two homeowners were surprised at 6:30 in the morning on New Year’s eve.  They opened their door to find an armed stranger standing in their hallway.  We don’t know if the homeowners in Norman Oklahoma had ever seen the intruder before, but they sure didn’t expect to see him in their home at that hour.  One of the occupants confronted the strange intruder.  The intruder had studied martial arts, and the two men fought.  The second homeowner grabbed a gun and shot the intruder one time.  The intruder broke away from the homeowner and collapsed.

The homeowners called police.  Police said the intruder had a record of criminal convictions including burglary, robbery and domestic abuse-assault and battery.

Jenna- Luckily for the homeowners they outnumbered the bad guy.  It also seems like the physical altercation gave the 2nd homeowner time enough to get a gun into the fight, if they were not already armed.  I think that was a good call since things had gotten physical and the intruder had some martial arts training under his belt.

Rob- It doesn’t say if this was a break in.  Was the door locked?

Jenna- Not sure that the door being locked or not makes a difference.  “Castle Doctrine” laws differ from place to place.  My best advice is know what you are legally allowed to do and act within those boundaries a manner that you can morally live with.  The big point is that you need to be able to explain why you did what you did.  No matter if the door is locked or not. This is just one of the reasons that training on the law is so important!

Rob- I figured a broken door is a poor man’s intruder alarm.

Jenna- Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?  A homeowner in Tanglewood, Texas woke to the sound of breaking glass.  At 4:30 in the morning he didn’t expect that sound.  He got out of bed and grabbed his gun.  Then the armed homeowner opened his bedroom door.  He saw a man climbing in his livingroom window.  The homeowner fired once and the burglar ran.

Police arrested the intruder a few houses away.

Jenna- Having a gun nearby seems to be key in this scenario.  Sounds like the homeowner was able to diffuse the situation before it was able to get worse.  Do we know if he was struck by the shot that the homeowner fired?

Rob- The homeowner watched the intruder enter his home.  The intruder was several steps inside when the homeowner fired.  The homeowner said it took him that long to be sure the intruder wasn’t someone he knew.

Jenna- The only other way this may have been better is for the homeowner to barricade where he was with his gun and call 911.  However, we don’t know if there were family members in the house (kids) to worry about and it seems like keeping the intruder from getting inside might have been a better option.  Either way, it does not sound as if anyone was hurt in this scenario.  

 

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Jenna- Our third story also took place in Texas.

Third story- Are you armed at home in the evening.  A 74 year old grandmother was watching the evening news.  She stood up from her chair and a robber surprised her and put a gun in her face.  Grandma reached for a gun she keeps next to her chair.  She pointed the gun at the robber and the robber ran.

Jenna-  I love hearing stories about Grandmas defending themselves!  So glad she had quick access to that firearm.  I do wonder if she had such quick access and the intruder was already in the house how she managed to keep the gun away from him though.  Do we know how the gun was kept?  Holster etc…

Rob- It was sitting on a table, so the intruder could have grabbed it as easily as grandma.

Rob- Who explains how to carry a gun for defense.

Jenna- I lead that discussion.  The new students don’t know what they don’t know.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jenna-  I instruct in Castle Rock, Colorado.  

Rob- That is between Denver and Colorado Springs?

Jenna- Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.
I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 47 with David Cole

Welcome to episode 47 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor David Cole joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction-  Rob- I’m Rob Morse, and welcome to episode 47 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for new gun owners and people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense. We’re part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.   We have self-defense instructor David Cole with us this week.  How have you been, David?

David – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Rob, I have to say I’m really excited to talk about these three cases today, because they all have something in common…probably THE most important thing when it comes to self-defense. I’m not going to say what it is just yet, but I’m sure our listeners will figure it out by the end.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

First story-  Are you armed as you drive down the street?  A couple were driving in Midtown Atlanta.  The driver in front of them jumped out of his car and and tried to take theirs.  The victims stopped.  The two men struggled.  That is when the female victim drew her gun and shot their attacker.  Police were on the scene in a minute, even with the downtown traffic.  The carjacker had hit dozens of cars in an ongoing hit and run episode.  Police said the carjacker was on drugs.

David – Great job by the passenger in the car! While there is a lot we don’t know…method of carry, etc…what is apparent is that the passenger in the white Porsche acted quickly and decisively. From what we can tell, it seems that the armed passenger was immediately recognize the threat, decide, and then act without hesitation. That sort of awareness and decisiveness can make all the difference. It may have been very apparent in this case that action was warranted and what that action should be, but what gets folks in trouble all too often is that they aren’t able to see what is happening, accept that it is happening, and act in time to stop an attack.

 

David – Our second story took place just a few miles away, in Cobb County, Georgia.

Second Story-  Are you armed at work?  The store owner and his employee had opened the store only a few minutes earlier.  They already had two customers at Dixie Gun and Pawn.  Two more men entered, but these men were wearing ski-masks and carrying guns.  

“The robbers said, get down on the floor. Get down on the floor or I’ll kill you.”  

Then the robber fired his gun.  The owner drew his firearm and shot one of the robbers.  The second robber ran.  The wounded robber died at the scene.

The store owner said he hated to kill another man.  He had been burglarized many times.  The other store employee and the two customers were uninjured.

David – This is another example of how decisive action made the difference.  Had they been able to establish dominance, the two armed robbers would have been very difficult to overcome. They made it apparent that they were willing to kill to complete their crime, and had they established that dominance over the four people in the store…owner and two customers…they certainly could have killed them all. But the owner acted immediately, before they could establish that dominance…absolutely critical.

Rob- The owner had a plan.

 

David- Our third story took place in North Carolina.

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Third story- Are you armed as you arrive home after work?

A Wilmington woman arrived home after work at 11 in the evening.  She had a cup in one hand with her keys.  She was talking to her dad on the phone.  She unlocked her apartment door when a man pushed her inside.

The robber choked her.  He pushed her into her bedroom and tied her up.  The robber then searched the apartment.  The victim got her hands free and grabbed the gun she keeps beside her bed.  She shot the robber once in the chest.  The robber ran, but collapsed inside the apartment.  The victim called police.

She had the gun for over a year, but this was the first time she’d fired it.

The robber was a felon with over a dozen convictions.

David- Here’s another case where mindset and decisiveness come into play, in a slightly different way. While our armed citizen in this case did prevail…and we’re glad of it…there are some lessons we could take away.

Rob- She was successful, but what can we learn.

David- Some points for improvement are the fact that she wasn’t armed at the initial contact. Her gun was in her apartment, rather than on her person. It’s always going to be better to have it on you than not, if at all possible. It also sounds like although she had her keys in hand and another person on the line as she got out of her car and approached her home, she also had a drink in her hand…sounds like her hands were kind of full. Maybe unavoidable, maybe wouldn’t have made a difference…but definitely not optimal.

Rob-  What if the robber had tied her up in the living room?

David- But we should note that when she had the opportunity to act, she saw the opportunity and took decisive action to save her own life. Rather than give in to what could have been a tragic outcome, she worked to improve her position by getting free of her restraints, and then made a forceful and committed move. It’s a much better option than hoping the predator who just assaulted you and tied you up is going to let you live.

Rob- None of our victims thought they would be attacked.

David- In the unlikely case that anyone has not figured out the common thread in our three cases today…it’s MINDSET.  Recognizing a threat for what it is, and quickly making the decision to act. All three of our armed citizens today took prompt, decisive action to save their own lives in situations where even a moment’s hesitation could have been tragic.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

David- I teach in the Cincinnati area.  They can contact me at Aegis Solutions for firearms instruction.  I also write at the Blackman with a Gun website.  Our listeners can reach me at either site.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 46 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories where we talk to people who think they might want a gun for self-defense.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  How have you been, Robyn?

Robyn – Hi, Rob.  We have been very busy with classes and range events. We have a night shoot coming up.  This gives our students a chance to train in daylight, twilight and in the dark.  It is important to prepare for any lighting situation. We are conducting training classes prior to the event to prepare the students.  We are using blue guns to teach them the skills that they will need. This  training allows them to learn the skills, practice dry fire at home, participate in supervised drills and scenarios at the range. Great opportunity.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners from the Self-Defense Radio Network.  We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  A convenience store clerk saw two men walk into his store at 3:30 in the morning.  Even at that early hour on a weekday, there were 5 people playing video games in the back of the store in Cartersville, Georgia.  The two visitors were wearing masks and carrying guns.  The clerk’s name was James, and he ran back to the office room behind the counter.  This room has a solid door and is where most stores keep and count their money.  The robbers were right behind him.  As James tried to close the door, the robbers struggled to push it open.

James reached around the door and shot the closest robber.  The robbers fired back as they ran.  The wounded robber was left behind by his two partners.  The robber died by the time police arrived.

Robyn – Avoid gas stations after dark or in sketchy areas (tank management)  

Rob- James stopped mass murder. (6 potential victims.)

Robyn – 5 people playing video games at 3:30 am.  Distracted!.

Robyn – Training video – run, hide, fight.  James did just that.  Glad James planned ahead for the fight and had a firearm.  Previsualization – had a plan.

Rob- James had a lot to think about, and probably more to handle than he could think about at the time.

Robyn – Situational awareness gains time to retreat and to get the response plans started.

Robyn – retreat to back room might be a good idea – less likely to hurt what you can’t see.  Construction of “safe room” is important.  Quality, construction materials, contents

Robyn – when I see the clerks encased behind the bulletproof glass I think good for them, how bad is this neighborhood and how quickly can I get out of here.

Robyn – James did not get to room quick enough to get the door shut and secured.  Two armed men within a foot of each other staring eye-to-eye.  Depending on the construction of the door either one could have shot through the door.  

Robyn – James reaching around the door.  How secure was his grip? Potentially disarmed.

Rob- And James faced three attackers.

Robyn – James defended his life so good for him.

Robyn – After the event was over there were a few problems.

Robyn – Don’t try to count the shots.  Leave details for the investigators.

Robyn – Don’t get interviewed by reporters.

Robyn – Save your statement for your lawyer.  Be prepared to give a statement to the police after you have had an appropriate amount of time.  Police have time (around 48 hours) for a sleep cycle and to dump all the additional adrenaline.  Be prepared for effects of stress and adrenaline on the body.    

Robyn –  Since he was carrying a firearm for self-defense, I hope that he is a member of an organization like the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

Robyn – Important to prepare for the physical battle and the potential legal battle.  We are hosting Andrew Branca again this year.  Law of Self Defense seminar.

Robyn – Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home?  A homeowner was in the back of his house at about 7:30 on christmas morning.  He heard an unusual sound of a door closing.  It is an ordinary sound, but this homeowner lives alone, and santa uses the chimney.  The homeowner grabbed his gun and opened the door to his bedroom.  That is when the homeowner saw a stranger wearing a santa hat.  The homeowner raised his gun and santa ran out the garage door, the way he’d entered.  Police found the intruder nearby.

Robyn – Probably the last thing he expected at 7:30 in the morning on Christmas.

Rob- How many gun owners have an unloaded gun and think they are protected.  

Robyn- If that is how you store your gun, then I want you to time yourself.  How long does it take to lock your door, get your gun, your ammunition, and load your weapon?  Let us know, and we’ll post the times on this podcast.  I bet it takes you over a minute.

Robyn – Shame on him for leaving his garage open.  Make your home a hard target that is not worth the risk or effort.

Robyn – Homeowner was prepared.  He had a firearm to protect himself.

Robyn – Homeowner stayed in control.  He evaluated the intruder and decided to give verbal command to get out of his house.  It worked so no shots were fired.  He let the police do their job.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Alabama, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Third story- Do you carry a firearm with you when you’re driving you car and need to stop for gasoline?  

A man stopped to get gas in Heflin, Alabama.  The customer paid for his purchase inside the store and was walking out when he ran into an unavoidable problem.  It was about 11 at night, and there stood a man dressed in black from head to toe and wearing a mask.  Then the man in black pulled a gun and said “Don’t leave, stay where you’re at or I’ll kill you guys.”  This was a robbery.

The customer was armed.  He drew his own firearm and shot at the robber twice.  The robber drove off.  The armed customer followed him outside.  The robber drove toward the armed customer, and the customer shot at the car.

Robyn – Back at a gas station at night.

Robyn – Police said that the armed robbers watched the establishment from a parked car.  If you see something that concerns you call the police.  Situational awareness, evaluation and decision making are all important.

Robyn – Compliance does not guarantee safety.

Robyn – Customer tried to get away told to stay or would be killed.  He had fulfilled the elements to be justified to defend himself.  He was prepared.

Robyn – After the armed robber left the store, I would prefer it if the customer would have let him go and called the police.  

Robyn – shooting at the car could endanger bystanders, bullets may not react as expected when they hit a car.  A vehicle defense class is very eye opening experience.

Robyn – In this case, the car was used as a weapon against our good Samaritan.  He needed to move to get objects between himself and the oncoming car.  Concrete posts on parking spots in from to the convenience store or the building itself.

Robyn – If the good Samaritan had stayed inside and called the police, the second confrontation may not have occurred in the parking lot.  As soon as you can safely call the police do it.  Let them track down the bad guy.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  We have a night shoot on January 7th and we have Andrew Branca coming to town to teach the law of self-defense on the 28.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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