Episode 48 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 48 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jenna Meek joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 48 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for the many people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense, and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.

Jenna- Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We’ll report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Oklahoma.

First story-  Are you armed at home early in the morning?  Two homeowners were surprised at 6:30 in the morning on New Year’s eve.  They opened their door to find an armed stranger standing in their hallway.  We don’t know if the homeowners in Norman Oklahoma had ever seen the intruder before, but they sure didn’t expect to see him in their home at that hour.  One of the occupants confronted the strange intruder.  The intruder had studied martial arts, and the two men fought.  The second homeowner grabbed a gun and shot the intruder one time.  The intruder broke away from the homeowner and collapsed.

The homeowners called police.  Police said the intruder had a record of criminal convictions including burglary, robbery and domestic abuse-assault and battery.

Jenna- Luckily for the homeowners they outnumbered the bad guy.  It also seems like the physical altercation gave the 2nd homeowner time enough to get a gun into the fight, if they were not already armed.  I think that was a good call since things had gotten physical and the intruder had some martial arts training under his belt.

Rob- It doesn’t say if this was a break in.  Was the door locked?

Jenna- Not sure that the door being locked or not makes a difference.  “Castle Doctrine” laws differ from place to place.  My best advice is know what you are legally allowed to do and act within those boundaries a manner that you can morally live with.  The big point is that you need to be able to explain why you did what you did.  No matter if the door is locked or not. This is just one of the reasons that training on the law is so important!

Rob- I figured a broken door is a poor man’s intruder alarm.

Jenna- Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Do you have a gun nearby at night?  A homeowner in Tanglewood, Texas woke to the sound of breaking glass.  At 4:30 in the morning he didn’t expect that sound.  He got out of bed and grabbed his gun.  Then the armed homeowner opened his bedroom door.  He saw a man climbing in his livingroom window.  The homeowner fired once and the burglar ran.

Police arrested the intruder a few houses away.

Jenna- Having a gun nearby seems to be key in this scenario.  Sounds like the homeowner was able to diffuse the situation before it was able to get worse.  Do we know if he was struck by the shot that the homeowner fired?

Rob- The homeowner watched the intruder enter his home.  The intruder was several steps inside when the homeowner fired.  The homeowner said it took him that long to be sure the intruder wasn’t someone he knew.

Jenna- The only other way this may have been better is for the homeowner to barricade where he was with his gun and call 911.  However, we don’t know if there were family members in the house (kids) to worry about and it seems like keeping the intruder from getting inside might have been a better option.  Either way, it does not sound as if anyone was hurt in this scenario.  

 

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Jenna- Our third story also took place in Texas.

Third story- Are you armed at home in the evening.  A 74 year old grandmother was watching the evening news.  She stood up from her chair and a robber surprised her and put a gun in her face.  Grandma reached for a gun she keeps next to her chair.  She pointed the gun at the robber and the robber ran.

Jenna-  I love hearing stories about Grandmas defending themselves!  So glad she had quick access to that firearm.  I do wonder if she had such quick access and the intruder was already in the house how she managed to keep the gun away from him though.  Do we know how the gun was kept?  Holster etc…

Rob- It was sitting on a table, so the intruder could have grabbed it as easily as grandma.

Rob- Who explains how to carry a gun for defense.

Jenna- I lead that discussion.  The new students don’t know what they don’t know.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jenna-  I instruct in Castle Rock, Colorado.  

Rob- That is between Denver and Colorado Springs?

Jenna- Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend, and give us a rating on I-Tunes.
I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 47 with David Cole

Welcome to episode 47 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor David Cole joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction-  Rob- I’m Rob Morse, and welcome to episode 47 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This show is for new gun owners and people who think they might want a firearm for self-defense. We’re part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.   We have self-defense instructor David Cole with us this week.  How have you been, David?

David – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Rob, I have to say I’m really excited to talk about these three cases today, because they all have something in common…probably THE most important thing when it comes to self-defense. I’m not going to say what it is just yet, but I’m sure our listeners will figure it out by the end.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

First story-  Are you armed as you drive down the street?  A couple were driving in Midtown Atlanta.  The driver in front of them jumped out of his car and and tried to take theirs.  The victims stopped.  The two men struggled.  That is when the female victim drew her gun and shot their attacker.  Police were on the scene in a minute, even with the downtown traffic.  The carjacker had hit dozens of cars in an ongoing hit and run episode.  Police said the carjacker was on drugs.

David – Great job by the passenger in the car! While there is a lot we don’t know…method of carry, etc…what is apparent is that the passenger in the white Porsche acted quickly and decisively. From what we can tell, it seems that the armed passenger was immediately recognize the threat, decide, and then act without hesitation. That sort of awareness and decisiveness can make all the difference. It may have been very apparent in this case that action was warranted and what that action should be, but what gets folks in trouble all too often is that they aren’t able to see what is happening, accept that it is happening, and act in time to stop an attack.

 

David – Our second story took place just a few miles away, in Cobb County, Georgia.

Second Story-  Are you armed at work?  The store owner and his employee had opened the store only a few minutes earlier.  They already had two customers at Dixie Gun and Pawn.  Two more men entered, but these men were wearing ski-masks and carrying guns.  

“The robbers said, get down on the floor. Get down on the floor or I’ll kill you.”  

Then the robber fired his gun.  The owner drew his firearm and shot one of the robbers.  The second robber ran.  The wounded robber died at the scene.

The store owner said he hated to kill another man.  He had been burglarized many times.  The other store employee and the two customers were uninjured.

David – This is another example of how decisive action made the difference.  Had they been able to establish dominance, the two armed robbers would have been very difficult to overcome. They made it apparent that they were willing to kill to complete their crime, and had they established that dominance over the four people in the store…owner and two customers…they certainly could have killed them all. But the owner acted immediately, before they could establish that dominance…absolutely critical.

Rob- The owner had a plan.

 

David- Our third story took place in North Carolina.

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Third story- Are you armed as you arrive home after work?

A Wilmington woman arrived home after work at 11 in the evening.  She had a cup in one hand with her keys.  She was talking to her dad on the phone.  She unlocked her apartment door when a man pushed her inside.

The robber choked her.  He pushed her into her bedroom and tied her up.  The robber then searched the apartment.  The victim got her hands free and grabbed the gun she keeps beside her bed.  She shot the robber once in the chest.  The robber ran, but collapsed inside the apartment.  The victim called police.

She had the gun for over a year, but this was the first time she’d fired it.

The robber was a felon with over a dozen convictions.

David- Here’s another case where mindset and decisiveness come into play, in a slightly different way. While our armed citizen in this case did prevail…and we’re glad of it…there are some lessons we could take away.

Rob- She was successful, but what can we learn.

David- Some points for improvement are the fact that she wasn’t armed at the initial contact. Her gun was in her apartment, rather than on her person. It’s always going to be better to have it on you than not, if at all possible. It also sounds like although she had her keys in hand and another person on the line as she got out of her car and approached her home, she also had a drink in her hand…sounds like her hands were kind of full. Maybe unavoidable, maybe wouldn’t have made a difference…but definitely not optimal.

Rob-  What if the robber had tied her up in the living room?

David- But we should note that when she had the opportunity to act, she saw the opportunity and took decisive action to save her own life. Rather than give in to what could have been a tragic outcome, she worked to improve her position by getting free of her restraints, and then made a forceful and committed move. It’s a much better option than hoping the predator who just assaulted you and tied you up is going to let you live.

Rob- None of our victims thought they would be attacked.

David- In the unlikely case that anyone has not figured out the common thread in our three cases today…it’s MINDSET.  Recognizing a threat for what it is, and quickly making the decision to act. All three of our armed citizens today took prompt, decisive action to save their own lives in situations where even a moment’s hesitation could have been tragic.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

David- I teach in the Cincinnati area.  They can contact me at Aegis Solutions for firearms instruction.  I also write at the Blackman with a Gun website.  Our listeners can reach me at either site.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 46 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Robyn Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 46 of Self-Defense Gun Stories where we talk to people who think they might want a gun for self-defense.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Robyn Street.  How have you been, Robyn?

Robyn – Hi, Rob.  We have been very busy with classes and range events. We have a night shoot coming up.  This gives our students a chance to train in daylight, twilight and in the dark.  It is important to prepare for any lighting situation. We are conducting training classes prior to the event to prepare the students.  We are using blue guns to teach them the skills that they will need. This  training allows them to learn the skills, practice dry fire at home, participate in supervised drills and scenarios at the range. Great opportunity.

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners from the Self-Defense Radio Network.  We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Georgia.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  A convenience store clerk saw two men walk into his store at 3:30 in the morning.  Even at that early hour on a weekday, there were 5 people playing video games in the back of the store in Cartersville, Georgia.  The two visitors were wearing masks and carrying guns.  The clerk’s name was James, and he ran back to the office room behind the counter.  This room has a solid door and is where most stores keep and count their money.  The robbers were right behind him.  As James tried to close the door, the robbers struggled to push it open.

James reached around the door and shot the closest robber.  The robbers fired back as they ran.  The wounded robber was left behind by his two partners.  The robber died by the time police arrived.

Robyn – Avoid gas stations after dark or in sketchy areas (tank management)  

Rob- James stopped mass murder. (6 potential victims.)

Robyn – 5 people playing video games at 3:30 am.  Distracted!.

Robyn – Training video – run, hide, fight.  James did just that.  Glad James planned ahead for the fight and had a firearm.  Previsualization – had a plan.

Rob- James had a lot to think about, and probably more to handle than he could think about at the time.

Robyn – Situational awareness gains time to retreat and to get the response plans started.

Robyn – retreat to back room might be a good idea – less likely to hurt what you can’t see.  Construction of “safe room” is important.  Quality, construction materials, contents

Robyn – when I see the clerks encased behind the bulletproof glass I think good for them, how bad is this neighborhood and how quickly can I get out of here.

Robyn – James did not get to room quick enough to get the door shut and secured.  Two armed men within a foot of each other staring eye-to-eye.  Depending on the construction of the door either one could have shot through the door.  

Robyn – James reaching around the door.  How secure was his grip? Potentially disarmed.

Rob- And James faced three attackers.

Robyn – James defended his life so good for him.

Robyn – After the event was over there were a few problems.

Robyn – Don’t try to count the shots.  Leave details for the investigators.

Robyn – Don’t get interviewed by reporters.

Robyn – Save your statement for your lawyer.  Be prepared to give a statement to the police after you have had an appropriate amount of time.  Police have time (around 48 hours) for a sleep cycle and to dump all the additional adrenaline.  Be prepared for effects of stress and adrenaline on the body.    

Robyn –  Since he was carrying a firearm for self-defense, I hope that he is a member of an organization like the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

Robyn – Important to prepare for the physical battle and the potential legal battle.  We are hosting Andrew Branca again this year.  Law of Self Defense seminar.

Robyn – Our second story took place in Texas.

Second Story-  Are you armed at home?  A homeowner was in the back of his house at about 7:30 on christmas morning.  He heard an unusual sound of a door closing.  It is an ordinary sound, but this homeowner lives alone, and santa uses the chimney.  The homeowner grabbed his gun and opened the door to his bedroom.  That is when the homeowner saw a stranger wearing a santa hat.  The homeowner raised his gun and santa ran out the garage door, the way he’d entered.  Police found the intruder nearby.

Robyn – Probably the last thing he expected at 7:30 in the morning on Christmas.

Rob- How many gun owners have an unloaded gun and think they are protected.  

Robyn- If that is how you store your gun, then I want you to time yourself.  How long does it take to lock your door, get your gun, your ammunition, and load your weapon?  Let us know, and we’ll post the times on this podcast.  I bet it takes you over a minute.

Robyn – Shame on him for leaving his garage open.  Make your home a hard target that is not worth the risk or effort.

Robyn – Homeowner was prepared.  He had a firearm to protect himself.

Robyn – Homeowner stayed in control.  He evaluated the intruder and decided to give verbal command to get out of his house.  It worked so no shots were fired.  He let the police do their job.

Robyn- Our third story took place in Alabama, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Third story- Do you carry a firearm with you when you’re driving you car and need to stop for gasoline?  

A man stopped to get gas in Heflin, Alabama.  The customer paid for his purchase inside the store and was walking out when he ran into an unavoidable problem.  It was about 11 at night, and there stood a man dressed in black from head to toe and wearing a mask.  Then the man in black pulled a gun and said “Don’t leave, stay where you’re at or I’ll kill you guys.”  This was a robbery.

The customer was armed.  He drew his own firearm and shot at the robber twice.  The robber drove off.  The armed customer followed him outside.  The robber drove toward the armed customer, and the customer shot at the car.

Robyn – Back at a gas station at night.

Robyn – Police said that the armed robbers watched the establishment from a parked car.  If you see something that concerns you call the police.  Situational awareness, evaluation and decision making are all important.

Robyn – Compliance does not guarantee safety.

Robyn – Customer tried to get away told to stay or would be killed.  He had fulfilled the elements to be justified to defend himself.  He was prepared.

Robyn – After the armed robber left the store, I would prefer it if the customer would have let him go and called the police.  

Robyn – shooting at the car could endanger bystanders, bullets may not react as expected when they hit a car.  A vehicle defense class is very eye opening experience.

Robyn – In this case, the car was used as a weapon against our good Samaritan.  He needed to move to get objects between himself and the oncoming car.  Concrete posts on parking spots in from to the convenience store or the building itself.

Robyn – If the good Samaritan had stayed inside and called the police, the second confrontation may not have occurred in the parking lot.  As soon as you can safely call the police do it.  Let them track down the bad guy.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.  We have a night shoot on January 7th and we have Andrew Branca coming to town to teach the law of self-defense on the 28.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Robyn – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 45 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 45 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Firearms instructor Jeff Street joins us this week. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

Introduction Rob- Welcome to episode 45 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Jeff Street.  How have you been, Jeff?

Jeff – Hi, Rob.  Anything new in your gun/training world?

Rob- Jeff.  Finally got tax stamps for suppressors we bought 9 months prior.  We are already using the 22 suppressors for training.  

Jeff- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Florida.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed on your way to the airport?

An Uber driver picked up an early morning fare and started on his way to the Fort Lauderdale airport.  There aren’t many cars on the road at 5:30 in the morning.  Their small car was cut off by a Dodge Caravan.  The larger car slammed on their brakes, and the two occupants got out of the Caravan.  The driver was armed, and walked toward the Uber driver.  This was a robbery, and the robber demanded the driver’s wallet, phone and keys.  The driver was a licensed concealed carry holder in the state of Florida.

News reports are not clear if the Uber driver remained in his car or if he got out.  The driver shot the armed robber four times.  That is when the robber fell to the ground.  The other robber ran, and the armed victim stopped firing.  The surviving robber drove away.  Neither the driver nor the passenger were injured.

The robbery vehicle was an overdue rental car.  The two robbers had robbed someone else an hour earlier.

Jeff These are talking points.  I will elaborate in conversation.

  1. Stay in your car.  Drive away.  Blast your horn. Call 911.  Push the panic button on your key fob.  Emergency Flashers.  Side windows with protective film.
  2.  Have you practiced drawing your gun from a seated position.  Do you own a blue gun?  How to deal with a seat belt.  
  3. Why get out of the car?  

Jeff- Our second story took place in New Mexico

Second Story-  Do you have a firearm nearby when you’re in bed?  A naked man tried to break into several Albuquerque homes late at night.  The intruder broke the bedroom window of an elderly couple’s home.  The couple was asleep in their bed.  The male homeowner grabbed a gun he keeps near the bed and shot the intruder several times.  The intruder ran.  He jumped several fences before neighbors saw him and reported him to police.

The intruder was captured and taken to a local hospital for treatment.  He had been drinking and was out on parole.  

The elderly homeowner had difficulty answering the police because he couldn’t hear their questions.

Jeff- These are talking points:

  • Our homeowner shot the intruder several times.  Then the intruder jumped several fences.  Getting shot in this case was only a deterrent.  Our homeowner was lucky.  We call that a psychological stop.  He was shot several times with better training maybe our homeowner would have better shot placement and less shots needed and a physical stop.
  • Flash light.
  • Team tactics.
  • Harden your home to help deter criminals and slow them down.  Window film, alarm system, lighting, door locks, security cameras, bolt your safe to the floor.

Jeff- Our third story took place in Georgia, but first we have a message from the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you are shopping or at work?  It is the holiday season.  A nail salon was very busy this evening with 10 employees and many customers.  Two armed robbers entered the store located in a strip mall west of Atlanta.  The robbers presented their firearms.  They threatened the employees and the customers.  They demanded money and other valuables.  One of the store employees was armed.

He shot one of the robbers.  Both robbers ran.  One drove away and left his wounded accomplice in a stand of trees.  Police dogs found the robber and his gun.  He was arrested and police are looking for his accomplice.

Rob- Will complying with the robber and giving him your money buy your safety?

 

  • You don’t get to know that.  What you get to know is that the criminal has threatened you with serious bodily injury or death.  Compliant people are murdered every year.
  • Now accurate shooting is more important.  You don’t have time to miss and you can’t afford to hit an innocent bystander.  Get with a trainer that can get you  to a competent level of speed and accuracy.
  • Blue guns are great for training to shoot from a seated position.  You probably don’t want to stand up and then draw your gun as you will draw attention to yourself.  In a case like this it would probably be ok if the 1st clue the criminal has that you are armed is the criminal getting shot.
  • Team tactics training for employees.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff Our listeners can contact me at

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff- If you like this podcast, then please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 44 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 44 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week. Firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us this week. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they prepared?

 

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 44 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.  How have you been, Ben?

Ben – Hi, Rob.   Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more about a topic, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Our first story took place this month in Florida.

Rob, first story-  Are you armed at home?  A homeowner in Sunrise, Florida was home alone on Monday morning.  He saw three strangers pull into his driveway.  The strangers got out of their car and then went around the side of the house.  The homeowner called 911 and retrieved his shotgun.  The three burglars shattered a sliding glass door at the back of the home and walked in while the homeowner was on the phone with the police dispatcher.

The homeowner was afraid that the intruders would arm themselves with some of the guns he keeps stored around his home.  He stepped toward the back of the home and fired four times.  He only hit his target once.

Two of the robbers ran.  One was transported to the hospital and where he died.  His two accomplices were arrested and charged with homicide during the commission of a burglary.

Ben-  Common crime, uncommon response.

Rob-  Three attackers against one defender.

Rob- If you have guns stored around your house so they are close to you, then they are close to intruders also.

Ben – Our second story took place in Missouri.

Rob, second story-  Are you armed at work?  A 38 year old customer walked into Poor Boy’s gas station in Kansas City, Missouri.  At 2:30 in the morning, the customer bought a candy bar and put a pocket full of change on the counter.  As the clerk counted the money, the customer drew a firearm and yelled, “Give me all the money!”

The clerk looked up, drew his own firearm, and shot the robber twice in the shoulder.  The robber then yelled. “Don’t shoot.  It’s only a toy gun.”

The robber tried to crawl away, but the store clerk blocked the entrance until police arrived.  The robber had prior convictions for shoplifting, burglary, drug possession and parole violation.

Ben-  One on one is unusual for a robbery. You need a plan.  It might be as simple as, if I see a lethal threat, then I’ll defend myself if I can’t run.

Rob- When do your students learn to present a firearm that is concealed on their body?

Ben- I teach intermediate students to present from a holster.

 

Ben- Our third story took place in Minnesota.

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Third story- Are you armed when you drop off toys for charity?  A security guard walked inside and outside the donations center for a charity called Samaritan’s Purse.  One of only eight processing centers in the US, this site handles thousands of shoe boxes each filled with about $25 worth of toys.  The toys are distributed to needy children between the ages of 2 to 14 years old.

The guard was attacked when he crossed the parking lot just after midnight.  A masked and armed man attacked the guard.  The guard fought back and shot his attacker.  The guard ran and called police.  Police found the attacker dead in the parking lot.  The police said that every indication is that the guard acted in self-defense.

Is this unusual?

Ben-  Charity drop off sites are often targeted by criminals. Criminals also hunt for victims in parking lots late at night.

Rob- Concealed carry from under a coat in the wintertime.

Rob- defense at night.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben-  I live in San Antonio, Texas.  I do some traveling as I teach classes, but most of them are in central Texas.  Our listeners can contact me at Modern Self Protection.com  to see my class schedule and listen to my podcast. Unfortunately, I lost my day job during the week so I’m expanding the classes I’m doing.  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 43 with Elizabeth Hautman

Welcome to episode 43 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week. Firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 43 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is a proud part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Elizabeth Hautman.   This is our first episode together, so please tell our listeners a little bit about you.

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  Thank you so much for having me.  I am a mom of two wonderful young men.  I love teaching firearms safety and concealed carry classes in Colorado Springs.  I designed my classes for new and timid shooters.  We increase their comfort and confidence with firearms in a few hours.

Rob- Welcome to the podcast.  You also worked with the NRA in your state.  Thank you for that.

Elizabeth- You’re welcome.  I listened to the podcast, and now I get to contribute.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  We bring you the news you don’t hear anywhere else, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Elizabeth- Our first story took place this month in Florida.

Rob- First story- Are you armed in the bathroom?  A man was visiting his girlfriend’s apartment in Jacksonville, Florida.  He went the the bathroom at 2:30 in the morning when the woman’s ex-boyfriend decided to force open the front door.  The current boyfriend opened the bathroom door and saw the ex pointing a gun at his girlfriend.  The intruder threatened to kill the woman.  The boyfriend fired his handgun several times.  The armed intruder fled the scene and ran into his ex-girlfriend’s car as he left.

Police found him driving slowly and pulled him over.  The wounded robber was taken to the hospital for treatment and charged with armed burglary and aggravated assault.

Elizabeth- Kudos to the boyfriend in the bathroom.  He was ready for anything.  I would think he heard a ruckus and came to his girlfriend’s aid.  He assessed the deadly threat and took action.   In an extremely, high stress, dangerous situation, a defender needs to understand that their body may not react like it might on a calm day on the range.  It takes practice and repetition to be an effective protector and counteract your body’s natural fear reaction.

Rob-  What happens during that stressful situation, and when do you tell our students about that reaction?

Elizabeth – There are many things that may happen to your body, including loss of fine motor control and time distortion.  I fully cover your body’s reaction and how to counteract that in my Conceal Carry Class.  

Elizabeth-   When the threat ended, the boyfriend ceased firing.  That is another great point from this story.  He let the bad guy “get away.”  He defended himself and girlfriend and when the bad guy “fled the scene,” he let the police take over.  The boyfriend understood his responsibility as a firearms owner.

Rob- What difference does training make?

Elizabeth – Training is everything.  It is about muscle memory it’s about mental focus.  When you are driving on ice and your car starts to spin, turning into the spin has to be automatic, there isn’t time to figure it out.  Just like in a defensive situation, manipulating your firearm, aiming, firing and assessing when the threat has ended has to be automatic.   Keeping your wits about you is the difference good practice can make.

Elizabeth- There is nothing in this article that states that the good guy was a  Concealed Carry Permit holder.   I work with many people who may never carry, so they say they don’t need the Conceal Carry Class.  It is those type of students who may need training the most.  When you use your firearm, at home OR in public, just like when you sit in the driver’s seat of the car, you must know the “rules of the road.”  On more than one occasion, a homeowner with a gun, at home, broke the rules and got in trouble.  So it is important whether you carry outside the home or not, to learn from other people’s mistakes.  We train for the possibility not the probability of a violent encounter.

Rob- who called the police, and what did they tell them?

Elizabeth – ALWAYS call the police when you draw your firearm.  Victims call the police, bad guys don’t.  Give 911 a description of the bad guys and let them do their job.

Elizabeth- Our second story took place in Indiana.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed when you meet to complete a deal online?  We conduct commerce by e-mail and voice using our phones.  A man was lured to a home early Sunday morning.  It isn’t clear if the intended victim was an Uber driver, a Waiter delivery person, or if he responded to an online advertisement.  It is clear that a 15 year old boy pulled a gun when the unsuspecting visitor walked up to the door of this Indianapolis home.  The attacker and his friends then began to search the victim and empty his pockets.  They found more than they expected.

The intended victim was armed.  He drew his own gun and shot his attacker.  The victim ran to a safe location, and called police.  The wounded attacker was transported to a local hospital where he died.  The police interviewed the victim and released him.

Elizabeth-   First –  If you feel the situation you are walking into is shady, or too good to be true, say no.  No job is worth the risk. Trust and listen to that little voice inside, your intuition, your instinct.  

Rob-   But they ordered a pizza?

Elizabeth-  Second, bring a friend and meet in a public place, in daylight hours.  In my town, the police station has a special parking area for e commerce trade.  All of your transactions can be completed under the cameras of the police station.

Rob- I like that idea.  You mentioned concealed carry earlier.  Tell me more about that.

Elizabeth- My students learn what to do and how to do it.  That means they can defend themselves quickly and accurately.  The first time they present their firearm from a holster it may take us a few minutes.  Later, they will do it in two seconds.  

Rob- That is a huge improvement.

Elizabeth- it is, but they have to have those skills before they need them.  There isn’t time for “on the job training” in self-defense.

Elizabeth- Lastly, I’m asking our listeners the same thing I ask my students.  Please carry, be ready, and have a plan.  This man was not going to be a victim and was prepared to defend his life.  

Elizabeth- Our third story took place in California.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  A convenience store clerk couldn’t believe his eyes. This happened in Fresno, California, and the clerk saw a man and a woman enter the store at 2 in the morning.  The man pulled a rifle from behind his coat and demanded money.  The clerk drew his gun and fired.  The thieves ran.  The clerk called police who looked at the surveillance video.  Door to door, the robbers were in the store less than eight seconds.

That isn’t a lot of time.

Elizabeth-  Eight seconds. Wow,  a fast draw from concealed on your body is less than 2 seconds.  It takes me 60 seconds just to find my keys in my purse.  It took us longer than that to describe the story.  Look at what the clerk did here.  To be aware enough to quickly recognize a threat, and defend yourself took courage and planning.  The clerk thought about this before it happened.

Rob-  You have to think ahead, just as you have to think ahead when you arrive at your car and look for your keys.  Otherwise you fumble around as you put away your phone.

Elizabeth-   That is us.  I am often asked by students if they should carry a loaded gun with a round in the chamber.

Rob- That means they are carrying a gun that is ready to fire?

Elizabeth- Right.  The gun is ready to do work.  I tell them “Yes, when you are confident enough to do it.”  The reason is time.  This lethal encounter took 8 seconds door to door and you don’t have an extra 1.5 seconds to put that round in the chamber.  Time is what you need in a defensive situation, and it is most often what you have least of.  

Rob- Time to think, or time to act?

Elizabeth-  You don’t have time for anything except to save your life right now.

Rob- How do your students react when you tell them they can save their lives?

Elizabeth- They don’t say a lot, but it shows on their faces.

Rob- What do their expressions tell you?

Elizabeth- Everything they ever learned watching television was incorrect, they realize that, “I am my own first responder!”

Elizabeth- Another question I am asked by students is ‘What size firearm should I buy?’ Well in this case, whatever pistol you brought to work that day, that gun was up against a rifle.  I recommend that the best firearm for you is the one you are will carry ALL THE TIME and are comfortable shooting accurately.  It doesn’t sound like the bad guys even got off a shot thanks to the quick thinking clerk.  

Rob- What mistakes do students make when they buy their first gun?  (Tell me about new gun owners who bought the wrong gun for them, too heavy to carry, too large to conceal, too small to handle, to powerful for its size)

Elizabeth-  Maybe because I grew up with a family in the automobile business, I use a lot of car analogies, everyone wants to buy a Large Suburban that  is safe, which gets the gas mileage of a Prius, and costs what a 1998 Camry does.  It is the same with firearms.  

Elizabeth- You have to choose a firearm that fits your hand, with the most stopping power, that you are willing to carry.  Many student’s first gun, just plain doesn’t fit their hands, but .  smaller size doesn’t compute to less recoil either.  I encourage my students to try a couple of firearms, take a class and evaluate how they are going to carry in the future.  And, I joke that the first gun, may not be the last. So don’t get caught up in over thinking the purchase, just get the gun and practice.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth Hautman, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- The link is in our show notes.  Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Elizabeth- If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 42 with Amber Kunau

Welcome to episode 42 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 42 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is a proud part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Amber Kunau.  How have you been, Amber?

Amber – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.  If you have questions or want to hear more, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Amber- Our first story took place this month in Pennsylvania.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you go out at night?  A 42 year old man went out late at night.  He went to his automated teller machine in Pittsburg to get some cash.  Two teenagers approached him at the same time.  Two teenagers wearing black masks.  Two teenagers demanding his money.  The two teenagers were also carrying handguns.  The 42 year old was a concealed carrier and he was armed at the time.  He shot the two armed robbers.  One was shot in the stomach and the second was shot in the leg.  The victim was not injured.  He remained on the scene to talk to police.  The police confiscated the robber’s guns and sent the robbers to the hospital. Because they are teenagers, there is no public record of prior arrests.

Amber- This is a perfect example of why you should be armed even if you are just running a quick errand. It’s kind of like how they say most accidents happen within a mile of your home. Never become complacent. Things like this happen during the most mundane things. Cutting the grass, getting gas, going to the grocery store.  Things like that.

Do your shopping during the day if you can.

Rob-  Two attackers on one?

Amber-  Typical, and at short distance and at night.

Rob-  What classes does a new gun owner need so they could present a loaded gun they had concealed under their clothes, and have a good chance of hitting their attacker at night?

Amber-safety, CC, presentation, point shooting, legal use of force, low light class. Most self defense shootings take place at night.

Amber – Our second story took place in Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?  A woman in Washington County Texas heard loud noises coming from her garage.  The homeowner thought someone was trying to break into her home.  She grabbed her gun and walked toward the sound.  She confronted the burglar and told her to stop where she was.  The homeowner called police.

The robber told police she ran out of gasoline.  The police got the robber’s ID, and the robber from Houston had an extensive criminal record.  She was charged with felony burglary and held in jail on $100,000. bond.

Amber-  It isn’t clear if the robber was held in the garage or if the robber had already entered the home.

Rob-  The good news is that the homeowner wasn’t hurt.

Amber- Yes, but you’re betting your experience against theirs.  Are you better at holding someone for police than they are at attacking someone?

Rob- I bet the homeowner was pretty upset.  I doubt she thought of that.

Amber- That is why you have to think these things through ahead of time.  It sounds like the homeowner didn’t have her gun with her.  That means the homeowner was lucky the burglar didn’t break in while she was away from her gun.

Amber- Our third story took place in Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?  A clerk was working the night shift at a convenience store on the north side of Chicago.  It was almost ten in the evening, when three young men walked into the store.  One of them produced a gun and demanded the money from the cash register.  The clerk was only 21 years old, but he was armed that evening.  He had an Illinois license to carry a concealed weapon.  The clerk drew his firearm and shot two of the three robbers.  The robbers ran.  Then the clerk called the police.  The clerk was slightly injured but declined treatment.

Police captured the robbers at the hospital.  Their criminal history isn’t available, but the Cook County prosecutor held them on 900 thousand dollars bond.

Amber-  Kudos to the employers that allow ccw on the job and to the clerk who had the foresight to carry on the job. So many gas station robberies that happen I wouldn’t want to work at one but if I did you can be darn sure I would have a weapon and know how to use it well

Rob- That confrontation was over in seconds.

Amber-  You have to know what you’ll do, because the robbery or self-defense will be over before you have time to think about it.

Rob- With three attackers, it sounds like shooting and moving was really important.

Amber- It is important to think of which of the three attackers you needed to stop first.  You have to think about that ahead of time.

Rob- You’re a competitor, and that situation is similar to a competition where you have to address different targets in order.

Amber- Competition is stressful

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Amber, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Amber- I instruct and compete in Phoenix, Arizona.  Listeners can contact me at Instructor Amber K on Facebook  

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amber – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 41 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 41 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 41 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is now a proud part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Tony Simon.  How have you been, Tony?Tony Simon

Tony – Hi, Rob.  Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Tony- Our first story took place this month in Ohio.

First story-  Are you armed at home?  A mom in Youngstown Ohio was loading her car with the help of her two children.  She’d returned to her home when she heard her children scream.  The homeowner saw a stranger standing in her kitchen.  She went back to her bedroom and grabbed the gun she keeps under her pillow.  She shot the intruder in the stomach.  He ran from the home. A waiting car took him to a local hospital.

Tony- People refuse to believe that there are no “safe places”. If you really believe there are evil people in the world then you need to act accordingly. Pants on, gun on. Even in a anti gun state like New Jersey you can carry in your home…for now.

Rob- She didn’t know he was in the home.

Tony- Who knows what this guy wanted with her or her kids but as a parent she had to protect her family. Luckily  for her she had an effective means to do so.

Rob- Was she lucky.

The gun wasn’t with her.  What if the intruder was between her and her bedroom?

Tony- She would have had to depend on the mercy of the merciless and that could have been very bad. Many people think just give the criminal what they want they will go away. That’s not always the case and sometimes you may not be willing to give up what they are demanding. You are your first responder, get trained, get armed and become an asset in an emergency.

Rob- Did she call the police?

Tony – It’s not clear if she called the police or not. You must call the police as soon as it is safe for you to do so. The police need to know that you are the good guy, the victim of a crime,  they also need a description of the bad guy as soon as possible so that they know who to look for and can catch them.

Rob-  She did defend her family.

Tony – The mom shot the intruder and he fled the scene. She did a good job not shooting the fleeing man in the back. You should only use deadly force to stop the threat. As soon as the threat is over stop shooting.

Rob-  Is there more?

Tony – Our second story took place in Florida.

Second Story- Are you armed at work?  A clerk was working at a gas station convenience store in Tallahassee, Florida.  A robber entered the store on Sunday evening.  The robber came up to the clerk and presented a handgun.  He demanded the money from the cash register.  The clerk fought with the robber.  The robber shot at and wounded the clerk.  The clerk ran towards the cash register where he grabbed a gun of his own.  The clerk shot the robber.  The robber died at the scene.  The clerk was wounded but is expected to make a full recovery.  The robber’s accomplice was arrested across the street.  The 20 year old robber did not have a criminal history, but the getaway driver did.  The two criminals are suspects in 10 armed robberies in the last 10 days.

Tony- The robbers have a plan.  You need one too. If you have not gotten formal training, YET, you can still formulate reaction plans for what happens if you are attacked. In the middle of a life and death struggle is not when you want to be thinking up a plan of action. Have multiple plans for self defense for where you live and work. The more training you get the more skills you have the better you can react to unforeseen situations that don’t follow your plan.

Rob- hand to hand?

What if the criminal was between you and your gun?

Who called police?

Tony- Self defense can be in many forms and the more forms you are proficient in the better you are equipped to handle confrontation. If you have the ability to mentally defeat an attacker and verbally convince them to move on use that. If you are physically attacked and you beat up the person and make them stop, disengage and run away it is still a win for you. If you depend on a tool to defend yourself make sure it is within reach at all time regardless of what that tool may be. If you are attacked verbally and threatened and the person leaves or attacked physically and the attacker runs off without getting anything you should still call the police and report the attack. You want an official report made of the incident. If the attacker comes back or attacks others the police have a record of that person and their prior behavior.

Tony- Our third story took place in Maine.

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Third story-  Are you armed when you are outside your home?  A man was returning to his girlfriend’s apartment in Lewiston, Maine.  This was at 10 pm on a Friday night.  The victim was attacked by two strangers outside his apartment, but the victim tried to flee into the building.  The attackers first shouted at him, beat him, and then ripped his wallet from the chain attached to his pants.  The two attackers continued to beat the victim.  He presented his 22 caliber pistol and fired four times.  The robbers ran.  The victim called police.  One of the robbers walked into a local hospital with a bullet in his shoulder.  The wounded man was arrested, but said he was the victim and that the armed man called him names.   Surveillance video and reports from other eyewitnesses matches the armed victim’s account of the story, not his attackers.

The attacker is in jail, and police are searching for his accomplice.

Tony-  Win the call to 911. Whomever makes the first call to the police is seen as the victim until it is investigated further. You don’t want to be in jail until it is figured out. Call the police as soon as possible, relay to them what happened and describe your attackers

Rob- It sounds like there were witnesses.

Tony- The victim tried to retreat from his attackers and that is a good tactic if you are successful.

Rob- Was he accurate with a gun?

Tony- Firearms training is a martial art that can be deadly but it needs to be supplemented by other skills.  Observation skills and verbal skills can help you avoid or deescalate an attack and hand to hand skills can get you seperation from the bad guy and get your firearm into action, if it is necessary.

Tony- Lastly I want to discuss the shot placement and caliber of his self defense firearm. Going to the range and shooting at paper can give you a false sense of security in your marksmanship ability. Taking a defensive firearms training class in which you are trained to shoot and more and be accurate under pressure will bring your skill levels and confidence up to a level that will get you fight stopping hits on a bad guy. Choose a centerfire defensive firearm because rimfire ammunition like .22 Long Rifle are not powerful enough to stop a determined attacker with one round due to its lack of penetration and wound characteristics. 9mm pistols are as easy to carry as most semi auto 22 caliber pistols with the added benefit of more powerful and dependable ammo.

Rob- When do you teach your students to move with a firearm?

Rob- What do you recommend for an everyday carry holster?

Tony- They learn that in our first class.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone and SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Tony – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

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Episode 40 with Jenna Meek

Welcome to episode 40 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 40 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is proud to be part of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and this week we are here with self-defense instructor Jenna Meek.  Hi, Jenna.Jenna Meek

Jenna – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in Kentucky.

First story-  I’ve heard people say that they will only wear their firearm if they go someplace where they’d be at risk, so are you armed at home on an ordinary Friday afternoon?  A homeowner heard someone trying to get into her house.  The thieves tried to open the front door for several minutes.  They made plenty of noise even though it was three in the afternoon in a tree lined a Louisville, Kentucky suburb.  Then  the thieves went to the back door and tried again.  The homeowner grabbed the gun she’d bought last year.  It seemed like hours, but was actually less than 30 minutes until the robbers concluded no one was home and broke the window on the back door.  The female homeowner shot the intruder as he entered her home.  He died at the scene.  His accomplice was arrested for armed burglary and murder during the commission of a felony.  There is no mention if the homeowner calling police before the break in.

Jenna – I am glad that the homeowner is ok.  I also can’t help thinking that if she had 30 minutes warning that I hope in that time frame she had called the Police.  

Jenna- Our second story took place in Oregon.

Second Story-  Are you armed at your camp site in the woods?  A couple returned to their campsite after dark.  The man was driving.  He parked their truck at the remote campsite outside of Butte Falls, Oregon.  That is when a man approached them out of the darkness.  Their attacker alternately pointed his pistol and flashlight at the man and woman.  Then he shot at the man, and missed.  The male victim ran to the passenger side of the car.  The female victim retrieved a loaded rifle from the truck and handed it to her male companion.  Both of them moved into the darkness away from the truck.  Their attacker pursued them.  The male victim shot the attacker as he walked around the corner of the truck.  The armed attacker was shot in the chest and shoulder.  He died at the scene.

The attacker was an ex-boyfriend of the woman.  The attacker was convicted of multiple violent  felonies, including manslaughter and possession of a weapon by a prohibited person.

Jenna- In this situation, other than the female victim handing off the rifle, I think the victims did it right.  They tried to get out of the situation and took action when plan “A” failed.  

Jenna- Our third story took place in Georgia

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Third story- Is your gun with you when you’re at home taking a nap?  A 78 year old grandmother was sitting down for an afternoon nap.  Then she heard someone banging at her front door.  That isn’t how friends come calling in Coweta County, Georgia, so grandma grabbed her pistol and loaded it.  As she stepped into the hall, she saw two strangers standing in her house.  They looked at her and saw a woman with a gun in her hand.  The two robbers ran.  Grandma called the police.

The two men and their female getaway car driver were arrested nearby.   Police found evidence of prior burglaries in the car including a stolen gun.  One of the robbers was a convicted felon and so an unlawful possessor of the firearm.

Jenna-  Quick thinking by grandma.  It’s not easy to have a clear mind when being awakened suddenly, by anything, let alone a bang on the door.  

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jenna, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Jenna-  Listeners can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  I also have my new book called “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jenna – If these examples inspired you, then please share them with a friend.  Would you also give us a rating on I-Tunes.

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Episode 39 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 39 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Introduction-  Rob- Welcome to episode 39 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is proud to be a member of the Self-Defense Radio Network.  I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by instructor Robyn Street.  Hi, Robyn.  You had a Glock Range Day at the Louland Gun club in Naples Florida.  How did that go this year?

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Robyn – Hi, Rob.  

Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense.  We inform you about the news, and I hope we inspire you to defend the people you care about.

Our first story took place this month in South Carolina.

First story-  Are you armed when you stop to buy gasoline?  The victim was buying gasoline at a convenience store in Aiken, South Carolina.  It was shortly after 6:30 in the morning.  An armed robber came up beside the victim and demanded money.  The victim gave the robber the $15 he had in his wallet.  The robber then ordered the victim to get in the car.  The robber started shooting, but it isn’t clear if that was inside the car or outside.  The victim reached into his car, grabbed the gun he kept there, and shot the robber several times.  The victim ran inside the store and called police.   The robber died at the scene.

The robber appears to be a drug addict.  He was out on bond for a burglary in one county, and for shoplifting in another county.

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  • Gas stations are very dangerous places.
  • So, I tell my students to plan-ahead.  I advise them to always have at least half a tank of gas.  That gives them some cushion room so that they can plan to get gas at a relatively safer times and at safer places.

Rob- This was 630 in the morning, but a druggie needs drugs when a druggie needs drugs.

 

  • Be careful not to lose your situational awareness at the pump.
  • Distracted by getting out our wallet to pay and putting it away.  Robbers like to get our wallets and while we are at the pump be careful that your wallet is out as little as possible.
  • Don’t tempt the bad guys by keeping your wallet out where it can be seen.
  • Our victim had let his guard down.  Don’t let people get that close.  Scan your environment!
  • If you see something that makes you uncomfortable, say something like “Stop, that is close enough.”  That is great advice from John Farnam.  We need to get over worrying about appearing to be rude.  That simple statement lets the person know that you are aware the they are there and that you are not going to be an easy target.  
  • Your action may also draw the attention of others. Potential witnesses.
  • The victim gave the robber $15.  Compliance does not guarantee safety.  
  • In this case the robber told the victim to get in the car.  My advice would be never get in the car.  Fight for your life where you are.   
  • We don’t know why the robber started shooting.  But once it starts happening why really does not matter.
  • The victim reached in his car to grab his gun. It would have been much better if he had been wearing his gun.
  • After he had shot the robber, the victim went inside to call the police.  That was the right thing to do. He ran inside where there would more witnesses.  As soon as the call can safely be placed.  Call 911 and get police and medical assistance to your location as soon as possible.  Then prepare for their arrival. “Officer thank God that you are here.  I am the one that called.  This man tried to murder me…
  • I think that this is a great story.  We all go to gas stations.
  • You won’t have time to think if this happens to you.  That is why we need to think ahead.  We need to run through what if plans all the time so that we create mental pathways and plans for our brain to fall back on if a horrible event occurs. Instead of suffering from either analysis paralysis or denial, we need for our brain to say well I knew this might happen.  Here is what I need to do and get on with it.
  • Scenario training is so critical in our self-defense plan.  

Robyn – Our second story took place in West Virginia.

Second Story-  Are you armed when you answer the door at home?  A man was at home early on a weekday morning with his wife and child.  He answered a knock at the door.  As he unlocked the door, two armed and masked men pushed their way inside.  They hit the male homeowner in the head.  The homeowner grabbed a gun he had in the home and shot both robbers.  The robbers limped away.  One or the robbers was shot in both knees.  Police took one of the robbers to a local hospital.  They later arrested the second robber and his female getaway car driver.

  • This just goes to show you that we need to be prepared at all times.
  • not a time when we think that we will be attacked but this proves that you never know.
  • First of all, I would suggest installing a camera or at least a peep hole so that he could see who was at his door.  You should not open your door for a stranger.
  • Here we see that he was overpowered by two armed robbers.  The armed robbers hit the man in the head.
  • He was lucky that he was able to get to his gun.  There is no guarantee that he would have been able to get to his gun.  That is why a good rule is pants on gun on (POGO).  
  • Lucky for the family that he was able to get to his gun.  If they had been victorious over him.  They would have turned their attention to the wife and the child.
  • This is why we encourage families to train together. If the wife would have been prepared to defend her family she could have helped to protect her husband.  Working as a team is a force multiplier.
  • Another benefit of working as a team is that during the planning stages, each person will become more situationally aware and their communication skills will improve.
  • Good the homeowner prevailed, but we certainly do not train to make knee shots.  His shot placement was suboptimal but it worked so in this case, good for him.
  • As soon as the imminent threat is over and he could safely call the police, he needed to get that done.  
  • The police did a great job and caught the two robbers and their getaway driver.  

Robyn- Our third story took place in New Mexico.

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Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home in the morning?  It was about 11 in the morning when five young men kicked in a front door of this Las Cruces, New Mexico home.  The robbers were armed with knives and a hatchet.  The homeowner was struck on the head and stabbed several times before he was able to grab his firearm.  He then shot at the robbers.  The robbers ran from the home.  One of the robbers was shot in the leg and left on the driveway.  The other four robbers drove away in a gray car.

Neighbors heard the shots and called police.  They arrested the robber lying on the drive way, and had emergency medical techs transport both the homeowner and the robber to hospitals for treatment.  The robber was arrested for two felonies and a misdemeanor.  The homeowner is expected to fully recover.

Robyn- This is our carry all the time episode, isn’t it.

Rob- Seems to be.

  • This is even worse than the last story.  Now we have five young men kicking in the door.
  • They were armed knives and hatchets.  If we had made that up in a training scenario the participants would have thought that we were being silly and that this could never happen.  Well, surprise, here it is in real life.
  • We were told that the homeowner grabbed his gun.  I hope that he had it in a holster on his body.  After being hit in the head with a hatchet and stabbed several times he would not have had much of a chance to go get to his gun.
  • I am so glad that he did not give up.
  • This reminds me of a watch repair man, Lance Thomas.  He had been targeted as a victim several times.  In an interview about one of the attacks, the reporter asked Lance how he kept going even after he had been shot?  Lance looked at the reporter and simply stated that he was not out of ammunition and he was not dead yet.
  • This homeowner was literally fighting for his life – outnumbered and injured he prevailed.  Never give up! Never surrender!
  • He only shot one of the attackers but it was enough to convince the robbers that it was time to get out of there.  Good for our victim but we cannot count on that to work every time.

Rob- Most of the time, the robbers stop when the homeowner presents his gun.  That is the rule, and the homeowner only has to shoot one time out of 12.  In this case, a gun scared away 4 of the 5 robbers.

  • The neighbor called the police.  It would have been better if our victim would have been able to make the call first.  It is best to be the first one to get to make that call.  Get your side of the story told first.
  • In this case, he may have been too injured to make the call.  If that is the case, thank goodness that a neighbor stepped up to make the call.  It is great if you have a good relationship with your neighbors.  You can look out for each other’s safety.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find out more about you?

Robyn-  I teach in Naples Florida, and our listeners can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  They can also contact us on Facebook.  We provide custom training courses as well as standard group classes.

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I’m Rob Morse.  Please join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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