Episode 89 with Andee Reardon

Instructor Andee Reardon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (13 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 89 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Andee Reardon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Andee.  Welcome to the show.

Andee- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Andee- Rob, our first story took place last week near Hillsboro, Ohio. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are an older couple.  It is a few minutes before 7 on a Friday morning. You’re getting out of bed when you hear a loud crash from the back of your home. Someone has broken through the back door. Both of you grab your guns. You walk toward the sound and shout for the intruder to leave. The intruder has a rifle in his hands, and you shoot him.

He turns to leave, and so do you. You call police.

Andee- The first thing that stands out to me is the couple both armed themselves and went together to investigate. I think it’s important to have a plan in place ahead of time and for couples to work together as a team, it’s much safer that way.
 The second thing that stood out to me is the use of vocal commands, which is great. In many states you need to warn the person or ask them to leave before using lethal force, unless warning the intruder poses a greater risk. Verbal commands such as “Get out of my house, I have a gun!” are a good way to stop many criminals who wish to avoid a risky confrontation.

 

Andee- Our second story happened last week on the border between Texas and Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive?

You and your wife are driving into Texas.  You notice lights and sirens behind you.  You pull over onto the shoulder and stop your truck. A car pulls up behind you. The car appears to be on fire.  The driver of the car opens his door and then jumps into the back of your truck. Now the police cars are pulling to a stop all around you. Your wife is still in the seat beside you. You get out of your truck, present your firearm and hold the fugitive for the few seconds until police arrive.

The is arrested for evading arrest in a motor vehicle,aggravated kidnapping, assault on a police officer and for traffic violations.

Andee- Ok, my first thought is something I teach in my self defense and situational awareness classes: ALWAYS lock your car doors and if something doesn’t seem right, get away. Distance equals reaction time. Thankfully, the gang member fleeing from the police jumped into the bed of the truck and the husband in the truck was armed and quickly get control of the situation.

Andee- Our third story happened last week in Rockledge, Florida.

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at work?

You’re working in a auto shop. You hear shots coming from the parking lot behind the shop.  You’re carrying. So is your manager.  Your manager goes into the back lot and shoots at the attacker. Now the attacker chases the manager back into the store. You shoot at your attacker and place two shots on target. The attacker stops.

Other employees are injured.  One is killed.  Neither you nor your manager are hit.

Andee- Thankfully these two men were carrying at work. When the manager went to investigate the gunshots, he saw his employees being shot at and immediately began defending them with his pistol.

The worker and the manager responded quickly to assess the threat. They were both prepared for to protect themselves and others. Had they kept their pistols locked in their car this story could have ended with more fatalities and injuries.

I think in this situation there were signs the shooter was showing mental and emotional problems. It’s important to take note when someone is acting out of place and things in life aren’t going well, such as the loss of a job.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Andee, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Andee- You can find me at EastCoastSchoolofSafety.com and on my facebook and Instagram pages with the same name.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Andee-  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher. We’re also available on Google Play Music, and Spotify.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 88 with Tony Simon

Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 88 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Tony Simon joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  We are scheduling our Training for 2018 including a once a quarter Safety/ Preparadness conference. Our last 2nd is for everyone : Diversity Shoot on Thursday night. Minuteman challenge Championship was a great success. Our sponsors CNJFO provided good and Modern Materiel provided AR15s.

Rob- Tony, please introduce our show.

Tony- Each week we talk about three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Baltimore, Maryland. Rob, tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are a 62 year old man. You’re at home in your apartment at 9 in the evening. You hear a crash as a strange man breaks through your front door. He has a knife and demands your money and wallet. You say it is right over here. You take your gun from a bedroom drawer and shoot your attacker once. The intruder runs.  You call police.

Tony- Having a gun in a knife fight is better than having fist in a knife fight. The gun turns the fight into a shooting.

Tony- Luck allowed him to get to his handgun.

Rob- How was our defender lucky?

Tony-  The defender was lucky that he was able you get to his firearm. He was also lucky that the bad guy ran away instead of continuing to attack him with the knife.

Rob- What would you tell your students to do in this situation?

Tony- A knife is as much or more of a threat than a gun, Knives don’t run out of bullets or jam. A firearm is a distance weapon. Don’t give up the advantage of distance.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at your mother’s house?   

You’re 29 years old. You’re helping your mom pack her things. Your mom is moving and your uncle doesn’t like it. Your uncle threatens your mom with a knife. She pushes him away, and he cuts her. You step between them. Now,  your uncle stabs you. You draw your gun and shoot your attacker. Now he steps back.  So do you and the rest of your family.

Your family call the police, and the EMTs.

Tony- Again with the knives. I’m glad the son was armed but he still ended up in the hospital.

Rob- Yep. Does an attacker with a knife have to be advancing toward you to be a lethal threat?

Tony- Knives are not a joke. Training with knives, you learn quickly that in a knife versus knife fight both parties are getting cut. Blades are lethal they have killed more people than handguns, they’ve been doing it longer.

Rob- presentation

Tony- How did the bad guy get so close to the victim? They were family. Your family members are just as deadly as strangers. The bad guy had already cut the victim’s mother and  grandmother.  The victim didn’t use his gun as a distance weapon,  he got close and in between the bad guy and his mom. That got him stabbed.

Rob- close quarters

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Denton, Texas.

DRGO

 

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re driving?  

You get a call from your step daughter. She already called police after her roommate stole her prescription medications. The roommate then ran over a stranger in the parking lot outside their apartment.

You arrive and you are armed. You help your step daugher back into her apartment. The roommate returns as well. He is carrying a hammer this time, and you tell him to stop where he is. He is yelling curses at you as he advances. You draw your handgun and again you tell the attacker to stop.  This time, he does. He runs away.  You call the police. The attacker is arrested and charged with assault causing bodily injury and for deadly conduct.

Tony- Good thing he had a gun. He took a drug addict seriously and carried his gun with him. P.O.G.O.

Tony- He was able to stop the attack with a firearm and a command presence. Having a gun may not be enough, at times you must give commands that will be followed.

Tony- Drug addiction makes people excellent liars. Having a witness to their criminal activity helps your case. Be the first one to the phone. Tell your story before someone paints you as a bad guy.

Rob- Is a man with a hammer a threat?

Tony-  A hammer is a lethal threat. It’s an impact weapon and is deadly. Thor carried one! LOL.  Hammers have been used as  combat weapon before and they are still deadly.

Tony- Our good guy didn’t chase the bad guy. He didn’t forget that his job is to protect his family not to punish bad guys.

Rob- Where would your students learn to present a firearm that is concealed under their clothes?

Tony- During our introduction to defensive pistol we have students practice drawing from concealment. We introduce the timer to add distress to the exercises along with having to be accurate.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony- http://diversityshoot.com/

I also teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or atThe Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 87 with Ben Branam

Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 87 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Ben Branam joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Ben. I know you’ve been through a lot since we talked last time.

Ben- Hi, Rob. Classes for church staff.

Rob- Ben, please introduce our show.

Ben- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments. Our first story took place last week in Miami, Florida.

Rob, tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at work?  

You own and operate a small barbershop. You opened the shop a few hours ago. You’re the only one working when someone comes into the shop. It is a customer you’ve seen a few times. The customer stabs you. You push him away, but he tries to stab you again. You grab a gun from the back counter and shoot your attacker. Your attacker stumbles away. You call 911. EMTs take you both to the hospital.

What did our defender to correctly, and what could he have done better.

He had a gun near him. He defended himself.

Ben- What if he’d been attacked away from the drawer where he kept his handgun?

Rob- What if the gun he needed had been under a pair of barber scissors.  That could have cost him a second and he could have gotten stabbed again.

Ben- Our second story happened last week, not far from me, in Schertz, Texas.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you drive to work?

You own a self-service car wash. You When you drive up this morning, you notice that there is already a car parked behind the spray bays. The car door is open, and so is the door to your office. Someone has broken in. You get out of your car and walk toward the door. You see the robber trying to break into the room behind your office. You yell for him to stop. He walks toward you with a pry bar in his hands. You yell for him to stop again. Then you shoot. Now the robber runs away. You call the police.

Ben- Did right. He was armed. He gave a warning. He decided to defend himself. He drew and fired.

 

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Alexandria, Louisiana.

Give Lloyd a listen at http://www.armedlutheran.us/

Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re standing behind the counter?  

You and your brother own and operate a small general store. The place isn’t very big, but it feeds your families and provides supplies to the families in the area. It is Sunday night when three young men enter the store dressed in dark clothes, hoodies, and one of them is carrying a gun. The start yelling and demand the money from the register. You’re armed, but the armed robber has a gun pointed at you. You brother moves toward the cash register and distracts the robber. You draw your gun and start shooting. You shoot the nearest robber in the stomach. The next robber is shot in the arm. The third one is out the door.  All three robbers drive away. The  police arrest them at the local hospital.

Ben- I see that I got the armed at work episode.

Rob- Some instructors get all the luck.

Ben- Armed, patient, his partner created an opportunity for self-defense, great teamwork.

Rob- Anything he could have done better?

Ben- I want them both to be armed. What if they had been standing in different places in the store, then one of them could have been shot and the other would have been unarmed and unable to help.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Ben, thank you for helping us today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- You can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  I teach armed self-defense and church security. Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Ben- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 86 with Elizabeth Hautman

Welcome to episode 86. Instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 86 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who might want a firearm..and for those who already have one. I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Elizabeth Hautman joins us as to co-host this week..

Hi, Elizabeth.  How have you been?

Elizabeth- Hi, Rob.  I had five wonderful students. They knew how to shoot, but were brand new to armed self-defense.

Rob- Elizabeth, please introduce our show.

Elizabeth- We discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense to see what we can learn. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Elizabeth- Our first story took place last week in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Rob, set the scene for us.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re walking downtown at night?

You’re walking back to your car. It is late at night. A man comes up to you and says, “Give me your wallet.” You almost don’t believe it. You’re about to ask him to say it again when you notice the gun in his hand. You’re being robbed. You start to back up, and the robber raises his gun. You put your wallet in your left hand. Then you reach for your handgun with your right hand. You have a concealed carry permit, and your armed. You shoot your attacker. He’s startled, and you take that moment to run away.

Then you call police.

Elizabeth- Unexpected things happen. I’ve been out late at night when I didn’t expect to be. Some of my students want a gun for “when I need it”. This man didn’t know he’d need it until he already needed it. Unless you plan to live in your gunsafe, then carry so you’ll have your gun. Now that I’m done with my first sermon.. The first thing our gun owner did was carry a gun when he didn’t expect to need it.

Rob- He also presented a gun quickly, but cautiously. Did you notice that?

Elizabeth- He waited his turn, and then he acted with sufficient violence to stop the threat.

Rob- What are the milestones that a new student goes through so they can present a gun quickly?

Elizabeth- We take small simple steps. firearm safety, including how to store your guns. How to shoot. How to carry.  How to draw. How to move with a gun. And then they have to practice those things.

Rob- That sounds like a lot to learn, but you teach it every week?

 

Our second story happened last week in Los Angeles, California.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at home?

You’re in your room at your family’s home. It is 2am, and you hear yelling from the front door. A large group of men have broken into your home. They have guns pointed at everyone. You are still in the back hallway and you hear the robbers beating and threatening your family. You go back to your room. You grab your gun and move toward the front of the house. You start shooting as you round the corner. The robbers run.

Police report that eight men broke into your home.  The took two small safes as they ran.

What did our defender do correctly.

Elizabeth- He had a gun to protect his family. This is in Los Angeles County, so you can’t get a carry permit, but you can still have a gun at home. This man did when he was attacked by a large robbery team. That five shot revolver you were thinking of might not be enough gun.

Rob- What else.

Elizabeth- He was determined to protect the people he loved. He moved forward into the fight.

Rob- What could he have done better?

Elizabeth- We can teach you how to use cover. That means you don’t have to run into the middle of the family room and start shooting where the bad guys can shoot back at you. You can shoot out of the darkness and never be seen by your attackers. That means you have to learn low-light shooting too.

Rob- You teach that?

Elizabeth- Sure do. Our third story happened last week in Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you walk down the street?

It is early in the morning when you finally arrive home. You park your car on the street. You walk up to your front door when a young man steps up behind you and points a gun at you. He demands your wallet, your phone, and your keys. You have your Illinois concealed carry permit. You’re carrying. You drop the bag in your hands. You step to the side and then draw your own firearm. You shoot several times. Then you run.

The  police picked up your attacker not far from your front door. He was shot in the abdomen, and in both legs. You are shaken, but you’re not shot. The police say your attacker’s gun was only a pellet gun. They take your attacker to the hospital.

Elizabeth- What did I say about our first story? Have your gun when you need it.

Rob- Wow. There was no time to “get my gun”. I was reading that over three millions of us carry concealed every day. I was disappointed that it is wasn’t more, but you have to start somewhere.

Elizabeth- Wait your turn. Know how fast you are, and then defend yourself.

Rob- How do people practice to draw a loaded gun.

Elizabeth- Dry practice. (What’s that?)

Get your permit.  Carry your gun.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Elizabeth, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Elizabeth- I instruct in Colorado Springs.  I teach small classes at my private range in Black Forest.  Students can contact me at Colorado Boots Firearms Instruction.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 85 with David Cole

Welcome to episode 84. Instructor David Cole joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 85 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and for those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor David Cole joins us as to co-host this week.

Hi, David.  How have you been?

David- Hi, Rob.  I got a new gun and am learning to use it.

Rob- David, please introduce our show.

David- Each week we discuss three recent examples of armed civilian defense to see what we can learn. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

David- Our first story took place last week in Dallas, Texas. Tell us what happened.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You hear music blaring from a car out on the street.  A few minutes later, you hear someone banging on your front door.  It is 5 in the morning. You answer the door and a stranger asks to come in. You tell him he has the wrong address and can’t come inside. The stranger seems confused and angry, but he leaves.

A few minutes later the stranger returns and kicks down your front door. You grab the gun from your nightstand and confront the stranger standing in your home. You shoot him several times. Then, the intruder runs away. Police retrieve him from your front yard.

David, what can we learn from this story?

David- It sounds like the man may have been on drugs, and I noticed that the police took samples from the intruder’s car for testing.

Rob- What did our homeowner do right?

David- The door was locked.

Rob- Why is that important?

David- They have to force their way inside.

David- The homeowner was armed.

Rob- How did the homeowner get his gun?

David- We don’t know.

Rob- How did the homeowner identify the intruder in the dark?

David- flashlight, or maybe the home lights were still on after the earlier visit.

Rob- Should the homeowner have called the police after the first contact even though no crime had yet been committed?

David- That’s a tough call, but it was definitely suspicious in my book. Could at least call non-emergency for extra patrol. I personally would not have opened the door at all. No one I know is going to come knocking without calling first, and you’re under no obligation to open the door to a stranger at 5 AM.

Rob- Anything else?

David- Get better door locks.

David- Our second story happened last week in Lancaster County, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed in the morning?

Someone rings your doorbell at 8 in the morning. You answer it. A stranger forces his way inside. You try to push him out and he pushes you away. You reach for your phone, and the stranger grabs it. You run to your room and get your gun. You shoot when they criminal follows you. Now the criminal runs away.

You identify your intruder. He has outstanding warrants for first-degree burglary, kidnapping and first-degree assault.

David- That says that the old saying..just call the police..is a lie. You won’t have time and you won’t have an opportunity until the criminal is done with you.

Rob- Let’s talk about our homeowner. What did she do right?

David- The door was locked. That meant the intruder couldn’t open the door and take her by surprise.  That is good…but when you voluntarily open the door to an unknown, the lock is no longer a factor.  Also, she tried to retreat and call the police, and she owned a gun. That is good too, but there is a lot we can learn. Better to have your gun on your person, where it is secure and immediately accessible.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

David- Carry all the time, and don’t open the door to strangers!

Rob- Should we talk through the door?

David- Yes. Try it some time. A common ploy is for the would be intruder to ask for help of some sort…their car is broken down, etc. Instead of opening the door, offer to make a call for them.

Rob- What else can we learn from her experience.

David- Have a gun on your body, preferably concealed. Practice with it so you can present it and hit your attacker with the first shot.

Rob- An unloaded gun would have been worthless to this woman. I wonder how she called the police. Did the criminal take her phone, or did he drop it after she shot at him.

David- Along with a gun, keep a cell phone on your person. Even your old flip phones will still call 911.  Have a plan for escape if necessary. Possibly meet your neighbors so you have some place to run. That way you can call the police from someplace safe.

David- Our third story happened last week in Keithville, Louisiana.

DRGO

 

Rob- Third story- Can you defend yourself at home?

You heard something. You looked through the porch windows to see four young men wearing hoodies and carrying backpacks on your porch. It is 10 in the morning and you’re armed. You answer the front door with your gun in your hand. That isn’t what this robbery crew hoped to find. They run away. A neighbor had already called the police. The four were arrested. The police found the hoodies, backpacks, and a large knife. They were booked for Simple Burglary, Possession of Burglary Tools, and Possession of Marijuana.

David- I’m glad she had a gun, but please don’t open the door.

Rob- What do you tell your students to do?

David- You are under no obligation to open your door to strangers. You don’t even have to speak to them, but if you choose to, you can do it through the door.

Rob- Was this homeowner well prepared, or was she lucky?

David- It sounds like she did not have her gun with her. She would have been overwhelmed if the robbers had broken in and she was away from her gun.

Rob- This story took place in Louisiana. It is an open carry state, so even if she didn’t have a carry permit, our homeowner could carry everywhere on her property. Suppose one of your students had never touched a gun before.  Walk us through it. How many classes would they usually take before the could carry and present a firearm to protect themselves?

David- The basics can be learned in a day, easily…and “super advanced” skills are just not necessary. The reason a firearm is such an effective defensive tool is because it is so easy to use. The very argument many anti-gun people offer against gun ownership is that it makes it too easy to do violence…but that is precisely what makes it so useful in self defense! Probably just as important is to know the law regarding use of force, and books like Andrew Branca’s “Law of Self Defense” or Massad Ayoob’s “Deadly Force” are great resources.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. David, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Dave- I teach in the Cincinnati area. You can find my company, Aegis Solutions on Facebook.  Also, my articles on gun rights are at Black Man With A Gun.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

David- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 84 with Amanda Suffecool

Welcome to episode 84. Instructor Amanda Suffecool joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (19 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 84 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  I’m your host, Rob Morse, and firearms instructor Amanda Suffecool joins us this week as co-host.

Welcome back, Amanda.  How have you been?

Amanda- Hi, Rob.  How have I been?   I have been great.   I have been using the tag line “Its my year” because the power of positive thinking works.    I could change it to Its my month – because October has even better than the rest of the year.  Just yesterday I got to see the outtakes of my edition of Riding Shotgun with Charlie,   My fashion show was mentioned in the NRA magazine( plus a tiny little picture – if you squint),   I was in Concealed Carry magazine,   Women’s Outdoor News did a feature article and then… and then I am here with you on Self Defense Gun Stories…   

Rob- Amanda, please introduce our show.

Amanda- Each week we report three recent examples of armed civilian defense. The defender did some things right, and there is always something we can learn. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Amanda- Our first story took place last week near San Antonio, Texas. Rob, set the scene for us.

First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You’re a mom.  It is 1:30 in the morning and you’re sleeping upstairs with your young child. You hear banging at your front door, and then you hear someone shout

“Open UP! SAPD!”

You’re only half awake, but that doesn’t make sense.  You live outside of San Antonio and are covered by the Bexar (BEHAR) county sheriff’s department. You get out of bed and look out your upstairs window. You don’t see a police car in the driveway or out on the street. You grab your gun and your cell phone. Then you call 911 and wait at the top of the stairs.

You hear someone kick in the back door of your home. You shoot when they start to come up the stairs. The intruders shoot back as they run away. It appears that no one was wounded by gunfire.

Amanda- Mom did a great job protecting her family from armed and violent intruders.

Rob- What should we learn from her?

Amanda- She called 911 before the break in because the situation didn’t seem right to her.

Rob- It seems simple to us now, but that is a very smart move to make at 1:30 in the morning. Amanda- Right.

Rob- What else did she do?

Amanda- I also have to give her credit for what she didn’t do. She didn’t go investigate the sound. Burglars have murdered homeowners in that part of Texas. She got her gun, called 911, and made her attackers come to her.

Rob- So she was armed, and patient. Why was it a good choice to stay at the top of the stairs?

Amanda- They call stairs the fatal funnel. Your attackers have to come up them single file, and they have nowhere to run. It is very hard to get behind you if you’re at the top of the stairs and they are at the bottom.

Rob- Now those stairs seem like a security feature. Is there more?

Amanda- Our second story also occurred in Texas. This one is from Austin. What happened in this story?

Second Story-  Are you armed as you run on a jogging trail before sunrise?

You’re running on a local trail before dawn. You hear a woman scream. You slow down and look to see where the screams came from. A man is holding a woman on the ground and she’s fighting him. You grab your flashlight and a gun from your fanny pack. You shine the light on the couple. The man is sitting on top of the woman, and pressing his hand over her mouth. You see her struggle.

You point your gun at the attacker and tell him to get away from the women. He does, but he runs away with her shoes and her shorts. You let him go.

Police report that the woman was attacked from behind and then dragged off the running trail. The victim identified her rapists as a homeless young man who has been previously charged with felony assault and eight misdemeanors including two charges of indecent exposure.  All these charges were filed within the last two years.

Amanda- She fought, and her screams brought help.  A Concealed carry does not make us an auxiliary police officer – yet at the same time we need to do what we can.

Amanda- the life you save may not be your own.   Preparedness and practice are critical when you are called to make instant judgments when yous and someone else’s life is on the line.

Amanda- Don’t wear earplugs when you run in strange places.  Or music, or…..

Amanda- Bring your own gun rather than rely on others.

Rob- We often tell students to avoid other people’s fights. She did make the choice to run in the dark without any tools of self-defense.

Amanda- We live in a society where selfishness abounds.   There is a line where it’s not your fight – but could you live with yourself if you just ran on.    In this case – No shots fired.   This is a win on so many levels.   

Our third story happened last week near Newport News, Virginia.

 

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Third story- Are you armed at work?  

You’re working in a convenience store at 2AM. A man grabs two packs of cigarettes and walks up to the register. He pulls a knife and demands the money in the cash register. You back away, but the attacker pursues you until you’re backed into a corner. You draw your gun and the robber runs before you can shoot. You call police. They find your attacker near by and take him into custody.

Amanda- Most criminals are intoxicated when they commit their crimes.

Rob- You say we’re not dealing with the brightest guys.

Amanda- We’re not. I’m glad the clerk was armed because there was not time to call police.

Amanda- Most people don’t realize how deadly a knife is. The robber with a knife is a lethal threat. He’s threatened to hurt you.  He is close enough to hurt or kill you before you can draw your gun and stop him.

Rob- So you’re saying this clerk was lucky.

Amanda- Very lucky.  Even after the clerk drew his gun, he could not draw his gun and fire quickly enough to stop the attacker from cutting him. I also doubt that the attacker ran before the clerk could fire. The clerk hesitated and chose not to fire. I teach my students to shoot to kill in those situations.

Rob- You mean a gun isn’t a magic force field that stops attackers?

Amanda-No. This story is also typical in that the attacker decided he didn’t want to be part of a shooting and ran. The defender didn’t have to fire a shot.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Amanda- You can find me at eye on the target radio radio. I have two radio programs and I instruct on the weekends.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Amanda-   If you liked this show, then you’ll like the other podcasts on the Self-defense radio network.  We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- Our download numbers were down, so please share this podcast with a friend.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Episode 83 with Tony Simon

Welcome to episode 83. Instructor Tony Simon joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (17 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 83 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Tony Simon joins us this week..

Hi, Tony.  How have you been?

Tony- Hi, Rob.  How have I been? Teaching new students. Diversity shoot. Minuteman Challenge.

Each week we report three examples of armed civilian defense.  Please use our discussion as part of your personal self-defense exercise program. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Tony- Our first story took place last week in Moline, Illinois.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed when you’re shopping?

You’re a grandmother with three children and 11 grandchildren. You’re here in Illinois visiting family. You pull into a parking place at the Southpark Mall. You see a man waiting at a bus stop nearby. You’re getting out of your truck when the man is suddenly next to you. He has a knife and is threatening you. You kick him in the chest.  He cuts your arm. He climbs into the truck and drags you behind him. The armed stranger tells you to drive south of town. You stop your truck where he tells you. He is distracted for a moment and drops his knife. You use that moment to grab your gun from the center console. You climb out of the truck and point the gun at your attacker. Your attacker runs away. You drive yourself to the local hospital. The doctors need 23 stitches to sew up your arm.

The police find and arrest your attacker. He is in jail facing a half million dollar bail.

Tony- A car isn’t a holster. This grandma was visiting her family in Illinois from her home in Missouri. She had a Missouri carry permit but didn’t have a Illinois carry permit because she didn’t live there. Illinois doesn’t have reciprocity with its neighboring state  so she was restricted to having to keep her firearm in her vehicle. Due to ridiculous laws put in place by politicians she has no way to legally carry in Illinois if she doesn’t live in Illinois. Sadly in New Jersey she wouldn’t have been allowed to have her handgun loaded or in the passenger compartment of her vehicle.

Rob- Lack of reciprocity disarmed a law abiding grandmother, and almost cost her her life.

Tony- These laws just make victims of honest people. I’m no lawyer but I think it may have been illegal for the bad guy to attack her with a knife. It’s important that you know the laws in the states that you visit when it comes to armed self defense.

Rob- What did our defender do to save herself?

Tony- She didn’t give up. She didn’t panic, she kept her wits about her even after she was cut. She waited until she had a chance and then she defended herself.

Rob- anything else?

Tony- Once she was armed and out of the car, she had the bad guy at gun point and he ran away. She didn’t shoot him or chase him,  she jumped in her vehicle and got herself to the hospital. Once your life is no longer in danger you have to shift gears into get help mode. She did a good job.  

Rob- This is typical in that the defender did not have to use her weapon. Kidnapping is unusual.

Tony- It is usually bad when you are forced to go with a bad guy. They are moving you to a place where is more advantageous for them to victimize you further. If you can you have to fight hard where you are because they mean to do you harm when they take you somewhere secluded.

Rob- You talk about that with your students?

Tony- We talk about being aware of your surroundings. She saw the bad guy at the bus stop before he approached her but she didn’t pay any attention to him. When he appeared next to her with a knife out was the next time she saw him. I tell students to pay attention in transitional places like parking lots. We are usually not focused on threats in those areas and we should be. Keep your doors locked and windows up until you look around and assess the area.

Tony- Our second story happened last week in Detroit.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed as you walk down the street with your cousin?

It is the middle of the day. You and your cousin are walking past a green light store. Crime is so bad in Detroit, that they designate certain stores and gas stations with a green colored light. Those stores have high definition cameras that run directly to the police station. The two of you walk past another man when the stranger draws a gun from his pocket and points it at you. You are closest, so you knock the gun out of the way.  You draw your gun as you step past your attacker.  You continue to move as you shoot him several times. You and your cousin run away. You were not shot, but your unarmed cousin and the robber were. EMT take both of them to the hospital.

Tony- There was no time to think about what to do. You only had time to do it. Action beats reaction and even though our good guy was behind the curve he was able to get his gun out and on target without getting shot.

Rob- Physical contact with the attacker. Drawing and shooting on the move. That is a sophisticated response.

Tony- It’s a lot to do at one time. If you practice those skills and take some type of situational training it cuts down on your reaction time to a threat. You would have wargamed confrontations like this and have had a predetermined plan.

Rob- In our first story, the defender had a gun in her car. This time the defender had a gun on him, and he needed it. I watched the video, and there was no place to hide from the attacker during the gunfight.

Tony- Our third story happened last week in Fayetteville, Arkansas.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re standing in your driveway on a Friday afternoon. A man runs up to you.  He is wearing a mask and carrying a gun. He orders you into your home. Once inside, he grabs your wife and demands that you give him your money. You say you don’t have a lot. He tells you to drive to the ATM and get more cash. He walks behind you as you go back to the driveway and get into your car. Your wife is sitting beside you and the kidnapper sits behind you. At one point, the kidnapper starts yelling and seems distracted.  You grab the gun out of the center console of your car. Your kidnapper attacks you, and starts biting your arm. You shoot him and throw him out of your car. You drive yourself to the hospital to have your bite marks cleaned and stitched. The kidnapper is arrested by police. He is taken to the hospital in critical condition.

Tony-  The car is not a holster. Arkansas is a constitutional carry state. Our good guy went through the expense of buying a gun and he wasn’t carrying it on himself. Due to him not having his firearm available he wasn’t able to stop his wife from being dragged into this deadly situation.

Rob- The story would have been so different if both victims were armed.

Tony- If both victims had been armed this entire incident may have ended on the front lawn. Having a firearm for emergencies means having it available for use quickly. Your car is not a holster and it’s not a gun safe.

It’s important for husbands and wives to work out self-defense plans. Team tactics really turn the tables on bad guys quickly. They never expect to have two trained “victims “.    Fayetteville is near the border of Missouri and Oklahoma.  The corner of Kansas is less than an hour away too.  Arkansas is a shall issue state.

Rob- That is what our homeowners could have done better. What did they do correctly?

Tony- Waited until he had an advantage. If you are going to have a firearm on your car don’t leave it there when you get out. Put it in your holster and take it into your home at night.

Rob- He stayed in the fight while his attacker was chewing on him.

Tony- When you get a permit, get one for both of you, both the husband and wife.  I bet they have theirs now.  We can learn from them without having to experience this ourselves.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Tony, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Tony-  I teach firearms safety and armed-self defense courses in New Jersey.  Our listeners can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone. I’m also at SimonSaysTrain on Instagram.  My classes are listed at BlackBagResources.com

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 82 with Jeff Street

Welcome to episode 82. Instructor Jeff Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (16 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 82 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Jeff Street joins us this week..

Hi, Jeff.  How have you been? 

 

Jeff- Hi, Rob.  How have I been?

  • Hurricane
  • Generator
  • Solar Shower.

Prep early so you aren’t part of the problem.

Let me say “Hi” to our new listeners. We report three examples of armed civilian defense each week.  Please use our discussion as part of your self-defense exercise program. Leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Jeff- Our first story took place last week in Church, Hill, Tennessee.

Rob- First story- Are you armed when you’re at home with your family?  

You’re sleeping in your bed.  It is close to midnight when your wife wakes you up.  She heard glass breaking. Your two young grandchildren are sleeping in the house, so you won’t take any chances.  You get up, grab your shotgun, move downstairs and see someone climbing out your kitchen window.  You yell for them to stop.

The burglar starts yelling, “Don’t shoot.  Don’t shoot.”

Your wife calls the police.  The criminal admitted he was under the influence of Methamphetamine. He used the propane tank from your gas grill to break the kitchen window.

Jeff- Good job for having a gun

Jeff- When the homeowner confronted the robber, the robber was not an immediate threat, so good job for not shooting.

Guns around children.

Jeff- Our second story happened last week in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed when you go shopping with a friend?

 You and your friend were doing some shopping.  It is mid-afternoon.  You’re walking across the parking lot as you pass a stranger.  The stranger pulls a gun out of his pocket as you pass.  He yells for you to hand over your wallets and cellphones. You hand him your phones.  As you reach for your wallet, you draw your firearm. You shoot your attacker, and he runs away.  You and your friend were not injured.  Police find and arrest your attacker by following the trail of blood he left behind.

Jeff- Parking Lots are dangerous.  Our defender earned his draw.

 

Jeff- Our third story happened last week on the south side of Chicago, Illinois.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home late at night?

You’re at home when you hear someone breaking into the side door of your house.  It is almost midnight.  You are 60 years old.  You grab your gun and walk toward the sound.  You see a man standing inside your home with a crowbar in his hand.  You shoot him.  He runs away. You call police.

The robber drives himself to the hospital where he is taken into custody.  The police ask you if you have a permit to own the gun. You show them your Illinois Firearms Owners ID card along with your Illinois concealed carry permit.

 

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Jeff, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Jeff-  I teach in Naples Florida, and you can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

Jeff-  Please share this podcast with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 81 with Robyn Street

Welcome to episode 81. Instructor Robyn Street joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (18 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 81 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for people who think they might want a firearm to protect themselves.. and for those who already have one.  I’m Rob Morse and Robyn Street is with us this week.

Hi, Robyn.  You went through the eye of a Hurricane since we talked.  Does all that prepping stuff really work?

Robyn- Hi, Rob.  

 

  • Grateful for the time we spend preparing

Comfort and health

Training and materials to defend ourselves if necessary

Training and materials to take care of medical issues

  • More than a few days with no power and no means of communication
  • We would not only be our own first responder, we would be our only responder
  • We live in an affluent community that become rather third world like in a few hours
  • You are preparing for a storm now.  Are you ready?

 

Rob- I hope so. We did some dry practice in the dark and worked with a flashlight.

Robyn, That is good practice. Let me say hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. Today we’ll look at three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your self-defense exercise program. If you have any comments, then please leave us a message on our facebook page.

Robyn- Our first story took place last week in Hammond, Indiana.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home?  

You are in your room, but you hear a crash at your front door.  There are voices and then shouts.  You hear a stranger order your three roommates to go down to the basement. The robber says he has a gun. You duck back into your room and grab your own gun.  You wonder if you should go downstairs to help your friends.  A few moments later, you see your roommates coming back up the stairs with the armed robber behind them.  You shoot the robber several times.  He drops the gun and all of you run outside.

You call police.

Robyn, was our defender lucky or was he prepared?

Robyn – Crash at the front door.  It sounds like the door was locked

Rob- A locked door is a poor man’s burglar alarm, and it works.  

Robyn- Thank goodness that our good guy was not in the room with his friends.  If they had all been rounded up together, who would help them?

Rob- It sounds like our defender was in his bedroom where he kept his gun.  What if he’d been in the bathroom at the other end of the house?

Robyn- Our good guy is lucky that he had the time and ability to get to his gun.

I’m glad he had a gun, but imagine how much better this could have been if the homeowners were carrying on body.  

Rob- So that is some homework.  He can get a carry license and carry on body.  What else did he do correctly?

Robyn – I was particularly worried when the robber moved everyone down stairs.  Don’t go with him.  In this case, there were multiple friend and one robber with a gun.  They were at the mercy of the armed robber.

Rob- Why is that a danger sign if a robber wants to move you?

Robyn- Your situation as the selected victim rarely improves if you are taken to a second location that your attacker get to select.  Often, that means the robber wants to kill you out of sight.

Robyn- I would not have suggested that our armed homeowner to have tried to work his way to the basement. Doors are hard to go through with a gun. Stairs are even harder.

Robyn- I would have preferred that the good guy barricade himself in relative safety or even exit the house to get to safety.  Once he was safe, he could call the police to get help on the way.

Robyn- In this case, our armed good guy was able to save his friends.  In this case, he shot their attacker until the robber dropped his gun and the threat went away. After that, they did a good job.  They got to a place of safety and then called the police.

Rob- So once he got his gun and stayed upstairs, he did pretty well.  Anything else?

Robyn- That is enough for now.  Our second story happened last week in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed at church late at night?

You are driving around the grounds of the Grand Strand Baptist Church. It is dark, and a man waves you down.  He asks if you have change for a 20 dollar bill.  You get out of your car and start to make change.  That is when the stranger draws his gun and points it at you.  He demands your money.

You hand over your wallet.  As the robber walks away, you draw your own handgun.  The robber turns and shoots at you. Fortunately, he misses.  You fire back and wound the robber.

It isn’t clear who called police.

Robyn – Even at church we need to stay focused on self-defense. The criminal was conducting an interview with the conversation.  Fail that interview so that the bad guy goes to look for an easier target.

Rob- How do we fail that interview.

Robyn-  The answer is no.  No, I don’t have a match.  No, I don’t have the time, or have change.  In a dark parking lot all alone, the answer is no.

Rob- Unfortunately, our good got out of his car and showed some cash.

Robyn- Right.  That is when the robber produced a gun and demanded the wallet.  Remember that compliance does not guarantee safety.  At first it looked like the robber only wanted the wallet, but then the robber turned around and shot at the victim rather than run away with the money.

Rob- What should we do as a robber walks away.

Robyn – I am glad that the victim was focused on his safety after the robbery.  He had his gun ready to defend himself.  If possible, carry your gun on body.  You probably will not have time to go get anything.  You have what you have and that is it. Our victim fired after he was fired upon.

Rob- What do we do next?

Robyn- Run to safety, and then call the police.  If you can, find witnesses.

Rob- I’m noticing a pattern here. Like in the first story, we stop the threat, move to safety, and call police.

Robyn- That is the plan.  Our third story happened last week in Stanley, North Carolina

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You’re at home with your two small children.  It is 10:30 in the morning when you hear strange sounds coming from your back door.  Two men have entered your back porch and are prying at the back door to your house.  You step back and grab your handgun.  Then you walk towards the intruders and yell for them to get out of your house.  The intruders run. You call police.

Robyn – Locked doors slow the criminals down, force them to make noise.  Beyond that, this is a very common story.  The victim had a gun and the criminal ran. Even better, she had her door locked.

Rob- This could have been a very different story if the back door was open.

Robyn- The locked door gave her time to get her gun.  I would rather she had her gun on her.  Find a good holster (secure and comfortable) to increase the likelihood that you have your gun with you when you need it.

Rob- 10:30 in the morning seems like a safe time. She showed that her home was occupied and that she was armed.  Should she do that, or should she retreat to the kids room with her firearm and call police?

 

Robyn- That is a tough call.  She could have been shot in a gunfight if the criminals were armed.  She didn’t shoot through her back door.  That is good.

Rob- When do your students learn to make those decisions?

Robyn- Using these stories is a great way to practice the decision making process.  Thinking about what happened to other people lets our brain compare different plans. That takes away some of the element of surprise if it happens to us.  

We want our brain to say “well we knew this might happen and this is the best reaction to this situation, so get to work.

Mental rehearsal helps to reduce the likelihood of the startle freeze or time wasted in the denial loop.

Rob- You talk about these examples with your students?  Are you teaching again after the hurricane?

Robyn- They come up with great ideas as we talk about these stories.

Exit- Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Robyn- I teach in Naples Florida, and you can find me at Step by Step Gun Training.com.  We provide custom training courses as well as group classes.  Our listeners can leave me a message on Facebook.

Rob- You can share your thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.

Robyn- We share this podcast with you for free.  Please share it with a friend and give us a rating on I-Tunes and Stitcher.  We’re also available on Google Play Music.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 80 with Ben Branam

Welcome to episode 80. Instructor Ben Branam joins us this week with three new self-defense stories. Were these gun owners lucky, or were they armed with tools and training? How would you react in their situation? (22 minutes)

Rob- Introduction- I’m Rob Morse and welcome to episode 80 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  This podcast is for the people who think they might want a firearm.. and those who already have one.  We’re joined this week by self-defense instructor Ben Branam.

I know you volunteered to do some Hurricane cleanup with your church.  You were down in Rockport, Texas.  Thank you.

Ben- Hi, Rob.  I drained the savings account, bought supplies, and took the truck down to the coast.  That is what we do.

Rob- Two of our instructors went through the eye of hurricane Irma. Jeff and Robyn Street live in Naples Florida. They prepared well and did well. They have water and power, so they have air conditioning, but they don’t have phone or internet yet. Best wishes to Jeff and Robyn.  

Ben- Hi to our new listeners, and welcome back to our regular listeners. We report and analyze three examples of armed civilian defense.  We hope you use these reports as part of your exercise program.. to use your imagination today so you can defend the people you care about tomorrow.  Please leave us a message on our facebook page with your questions or comments.

Ben- Our first story took place last week near Seattle, Washington.

Rob- First story-  Are you armed at home in the middle of the day?  

You’re at home with your mom and your kids.  Your older kids are at school, but your young ones are at home taking a nap.  You’re not expecting visitors, but you hear someone knocking on your front door.  Before you can answer it, you hear a tearing sound coming from your children’s bedroom.  You grab your gun and run to your kid’s room.  A man has torn out the window fan and is climbing through the window next to your kids.  Another man is standing next to him with his hands on the sill ready to jump in.  You shoot him the nearest intruder.  Both men run away.  You call police.

Ben- That isn’t exactly what happened.  You don’t “get your gun”.  Those few words hide something that can take half a minute.  Let’s be realistic.  You have more time to fight a fire in your kitchen than to fight an intruder in your childrens’ bedroom..and I keep a fire extinguisher on the kitchen wall.  Please have a gun with you.

Rob-  Why did this man need a gun?

Ben-  he was outnumbered and his children were in immediate danger.  Our armed citizen had an intruder in his home within feet of his kids and another intruder next to him.

Whew.  I’m a dad, and that gets me excited.

Let me explain.  You had intruders break into your home by force and without your permission.

They had immediate access to your children.

You were outnumbered.

Rob-  You don’t have many options.

Ben- Not any good ones..and you don’t have time to think.  You have seconds to act, and you put your children in danger if you delay.

Rob- So what did our dad do right?

Ben- He grabbed the tool he needed.  He used it.  He stopped using it.  He probably took care of his screaming kids, because I’m sure they were freaked out by the break in.  Then, someone got their brain back online and called the police.

Rob-  That sounds so simple.

Ben- Yeah, it does, but it isn’t.  You have to break it down to really simple steps, because even doing simple things is hard when your family is at risk and you’re going a little crazy inside yourself.

Rob-  Wow.  Keep breathing.  I’m getting wrapped up in it, and it’s only a story.

Ben-  Yep, breathing helps.  Having a plan helps a lot.

Rob- You call it a plan.

Ben- A checklist.  Have your tools with you.  Recognize an immediate threat.  Defend the people you love.  Treat the injured.  Call the police.  There are not a lot of moving parts.  Just a few steps.

Rob- Have a plan.

Ben- Yep, have a plan, and ready or not, our second story happened last week in ALBUQUERQUE, N.M

Rob- Ok, Ben.

Rob- Second Story-  Are you armed at work?

You’re a mother with two children and you’re working in a Circle-K gas station.  A customer tells you that a nearby 7-11 has just been robbed af few minutes ago.  You’re concerned, so you walk to your car and get your gun.  You don’t have a carry permit, so you open carry with your legally owned gun in your pocket.  You also lock one of the side doors to the convenience store.

It is the usual busy time at 4 in the afternoon.  There are several customers in the store and at the gas pumps.  A man walks in wearing a ski mask, carrying a bag, and holding a gun.  He screams that everyone is to get down on the ground.. except you.  He waves his gun at the customers, and then points the gun at you.  The robber tells you to put the money into the bag.  You do.  You hand him the bag, and draw your gun.  You shoot him once in the chest.  The robber drops his gun and runs from the store.  Police find him behind the building.  They are looking at the surveillance video to see if he robbed the other store as well.

Ben- Good for her.  The first lesson is to be armed.  

Rob- she was.

Ben- Better yet, spend the $100 for a permit so you can concealed carry.

Rob- Why is that important?

Ben- You want to act when you have the best chance to win.  There is no advantage to communicate that you’re armed in this situation.  I don’t want this young lady to be shot if the robber sees her gun.

Rob- at least she was armed in time.

Ben- Yes.  Once you have your gun, then, I want you to have tactical patience.  I want you to cheat.  Don’t get into a fast-draw contest if you can avoid it.  I’m fast, but I want all the good guys to cheat if they can.  If you are in a “fair fight” you did something wrong.

Show some tactical patience until you have an advantage.  Then act as violently as you can.  Surprise, Speed and Violence of action will win all the time.

Rob- Really?  Be as violent as you can?

Ben-  Is it the life of your spouse, your child, or your friend that is on the line?  They don’t deserve to die.  You don’t deserve to die either.  Do as much as you can to stop a lethal threat.  Keep going until the threat isn’t there.  Is that running away, or emptying your magazine and reloading?  I don’t know.  I won’t be there.  That is why I’m begging you to do your mental homework now.

Rob- But Ben.

Ben- But nothing.  This woman was terrified because she thought she was going to die.  She didn’t start the fight.  She didn’t want the fight.  When the fight comes to you, then fight for your life.  This woman saved the life of her customers.  I hope she waved the bag in front of her.  Set the bag on the counter, and then drew her gun and fired as she stepped to the side.

Rob- And..

Ben- And if the bad guy runs away, then stop.  Starting is hard.  So is stopping.  Maybe stopping is even harder.  It is hard to tell.  The clerk was pretty shaken up, but call police if you can.

Rob- There is more to say.  There is, but that is enough for now.

Ben- Our third story happened last week in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

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Rob- Third story- Are you armed when you’re at home?  

You and your wife are at home in your apartment on a Saturday afternoon.  You’re both in your late 70s.  Your wife answers a knock at the door, and she is thrown back into the room as two young men smashed their way inside.  Before you know what is happening, the two intruders start beating you with a club.  You fall down, but you grab the gun in your waistband as you fall.  You roll to the side and shoot the attacker standing over you.  Both attackers run.  You call police and EMTs.  You and your wife go to the hospital.

Ben-  The man was an army veteran.  He had a gun on him, at home, on a sunny weekend afternoon.  And he needed it.

Rob- He was on his knees with two attackers beating  him, and he won.

Ben-  He had the physical tools and he had the mental tools to use them.

Rob-  Down but not out of the fight.

Ben-  He wounded one attacker.  They ran.  That stopped the attack on him and his wife.  Great job.

Rob- What would you tell your students?

Ben- He did a great job, but I wish he could have avoided the fight.  I ask my students to buy an electronic doorbell so they can see who is outside.

Rob- That would have kept the bad guys outside?

Ben- It would have bought our good guys more time as the thugs had so smash their way into the house.

Rob- Anything else?

Ben- I wish that they had  both been armed because I don’t want either one of these nice old people beaten up.

Rob- That would make a difference?

Ben- If they were both armed and had worked together even a little bit, then these two young guys wouldn’t stand a chance.

Rob- Really!?  Even if it were two guys in their 20s against a couple in their late 70s?

Ben- You know how hard it is for one person to fight off two attackers.  Now imagine how hard it is to hurt two people who can defend themselves at a distance.  It is so much of an advantage that it makes the bad guys look silly. I talk about it on my podcast.  The male homeowner yells.  The bad guys move toward him, and his wife has all the time in the world to stop the problem.  She can draw slowly and aim..and she’ll own them.

Rob- If they work together and have a plan.

Ben- And if they are both armed.

Exit-  Rob-  Thank you, Ben.  That wraps up this episode. Where can our listeners learn more about you?

Ben- Our listeners can find me at Modern Self Protection.com.  I live in San Antonio, and most of my classes are in central Texas.  Listeners can see my complete class schedule at my website, and they can also listen to my podcast Modern Self-Protection.

Rob- Please donate to Ben’s Hurricane fund by Paypal at Ben@modernselfprotection.com Our listeners can share their thoughts with us by leaving a message on the podcast facebook page.  

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Rob- Our download numbers are headed up, so that you for sharing the podcast with your friends.  I’m Rob Morse.  We’ll be back next week with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Ben- No we won’t.

Rob- We won’t?  Oh, that’s  right.  Next week, Ben and I will be in Dallas at the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  This will be my 7th conference.

Ben- And this will be my first one.  I hope to see our listeners there.

Rob- See you there, and we’ll be back in a few weeks with more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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