Episode 4 with Ben Branam

Introduction- Welcome to episode 4 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor and podcaster Ben Branam.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week. Hi, Ben.

Ben- Hi, Rob. Our first example took place last month in Birmingham, Alabama.

1- Home invasion Birmingham Alabama  An 8 year old boy named DJ arrived home a few minutes early from school.  DJ let himself in the house.  A few minutes later, DJ heard three young men trying to get in the house through the front door.  DJ ran upstairs.  He also hid under his bed, called his dad, and called police.  DJ’s dad usually meets him when he comes home from school, so his dad was already on the way home when he got the call.  The father was already armed when he arrived home.  The homeowner found three young men in their 20’s inside his home.  He shot one of them and the other two escaped.  Police arrived moments later.

Chief Deputy Randy Christian said “ There are.. activities in this life that increase your chances of losing yours. Kicking in a door and entering someone’s home with criminal intent is one of them. Thank God this little boy and his dad are ok.”  The couple lived in the home for 10 years.  Now their son wants to move.

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2- Woman attacked at Detroit GM office  In this story, a man broke the rules.. and saved a life.  Didarul Sarder works for a limousine service.  He was working outside the General Motor’s Vehicle Engineering Center in Detroit.  A young woman visited the company and asked to speak with her mom who worked at the plant.

The two women argued, and the young woman stabbed her mother several times.  Other people looked on, but the limousine driver, Didarul Sarder stepped in.  He is licensed to carry a firearm in Michigan.  He was carrying that day.  He drew his personal firearm and told the young woman to stop.  She did.  Medical personnel took the injured woman to the hospital.  Police took the attacker to jail.  The limousine driver was fired for breaking company policy and bringing a firearm on company property.

There was no armed security protecting people as they went to their cars, entered cabs, or took limousines to the airport.  There was only a plastic sign, and that wasn’t enough.

Ben-  The limousine driver was re-hired, but there is a larger issue than his job.  The driver takes strangers to dangerous places at night.  He decided to protect himself.  He did it legally and got his carry license.  The limousine service and GM have their own rules.  You can’t please everyone, but you can do the right thing.. and in this case, save a life.

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Realtor meets thieves in an unoccupied  home.  A realtor in Nashville, Tennessee was looking for a home to buy.  He and his wife entered this newly built home.. to find out that they were not alone.  Two men had pried open the back door and were ransacking the upstairs.  

The realtor put his hand on his gun, but did not draw it.  That was when a thief with gang tattoos on his neck and hands came down stairs.  They made small talk and said they were going to look at the back yard.

That is where the realtor called police.  The two thieves had left by the time police arrived.  The officer said that many of the new homes had been broken into.

Exit- Ben Branam, where can our listeners find out more about you?

Ben- They can contact me at Modern Self Protection .com  to see my class schedule and my podcast.

Rob- Thanks, Ben.  Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 3 with Tony Simon

Introduction- Welcome to episode 3 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Tony Simon.  Hi, Tony.  We report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Tony- Our first example took place last month in Virginia.

1-Store clerk stops thieves- one dead, second in hospital  Two armed men entered a Gift Card ATM store in Hampton, Virginia.  It was about 6pm.  The thieves announced a robbery and forced the store clerk behind the counter to give them money.  To their surprise, the clerk was armed with a gun of his own.  He shot the two thieves.  One died on the scene .  No customers or bystanders were injured.  The second thief collapsed from his wounds a few blocks away.  The second thief faces charges of abduction, robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery, burglary while armed, discharging a firearm within an occupied building, wearing a mask in public and four counts of use of a firearm in commission of a felony.  The thief will be charged when he leaves the hospital. 

Be careful if you look this story up for yourself because you might not get the complete story.  Most of the news articles ignored that the criminals were armed and that the thieves fired their guns.

Tony Comments- Physical- Concealed carry again. No such thing as the “one shot stop.” Results- no injured customers, bystanders or employees. Was the employee at risk? When did he know it? What is he allowed to do to protect himself? Is that morally justified?

2- 71 year old convenience store owner stops thief with no shots fired A 71-year-old convenience store owner was opening her shop at 5AM.  At that hour you’re making coffee and putting change into the cash drawer.  You aren’t expecting, at least not in Buckhead, Georgia.  Unfortunately, we don’t get to schedule a violent attack.  The store owner, Janet Willis, saw William Dennis when Mister Dennis entered her store.   Dennis demanded the keys to the store owner’s car.  At that point, Janet Willis, the store owner, hit a silent alarm to summon police.  The thief said he had already killed his mother and would kill her too if she didn’t give him the keys. Quote, “I was afraid he was going to jump me,” she said.  Ms Willis stands all of 5 feet, 1 inch tall.  The thief turned to look at another customer and Ms Willis grabbed a 9mm handgun she keeps under the counter.  She kept her gun pointed at the thief as he ran from the store.  He was later arrested by police for auto theft and attempted robbery. 

Tony Comments- Physical- She is a little old lady, so there was a disparity of size. Guns make us equal. The shop owner had her gun behind the counter and not on her hip.  What if the robber had crossed the counter moved between the store owner and her gun? On body carry is ALWAYS going to be the best option. There is also the option of simply giving him the keys, though that is no guarantee that he won’t kill you anyway. But if you can avoid the fight…

?I don’t have a panic button, but I have a car alarm on my key ring. One option could be to retrieve the keys as ordered, then press the panic button as a diversion. If it makes the bad guy look…there’s your opening to flee or fight. If he doesn’t, explain it away as an accident due to nervousness. If there’s no alarm on the key fob, another option might be to “accidentally” drop the keys when handing them over in order to create an opening.

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3- Police have a difficult job, and so do armed homeowners.  A criminal was having mental problems for the preceding week, but his crimes were never serious enough that the Montpelier, Vermont police could arrest him.  That changed on a Tuesday night late in January.  A family was sleeping upstairs.  They woke up to hear glass breaking as 27-year-old Jesse Fitzgerald kicks his way through the mudroom door and into the kitchen.  The husband got his gun and the wife called 911.  From the top of the stairs, the man told the intruder that he had a gun and that the police were on their way.  That kept the intruder downstairs, and a few minutes later, Fitzgerald left the house.

Fitzgerald went back into the house when police arrived.  The homeowners closed their bedroom door and the police sent in a police dog.  The police then tackled the intruder.  Fitzgerald is being held for mental observation.

Tony Comments- Flashlight? Second gun or second intruder? 

Exit- Tony Simon, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?

They can contact me on Facebook at Simon Says Train or at The Second is for Everyone.

Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

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Episode 2 with Amber Kunau

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 2 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Amber Kunau.  Hi, Amber.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

 Amber- Our first example took place last month in Kentucky..

1.- Purse Carry in a Louisville, KY Parking Lot  A woman was sitting in her car in a parking garage in downtown Louisville, Kentucky.  A man approached her, presented a knife and demanded her money.  The woman reached into her purse as if she was going for her wallet.  She pulled her gun instead and shot the man.  The man ran a few blocks and then asked for help.  Bystanders called for EMTs and the woman called for police.  She was unhurt.  The attacker is in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

This took place at 6pm just after work, not at midnight.  We commented that thieves would try to grab a woman’s purse, so that means a thief could disarm you.

Amber Notes: Off body carry is not ideal, but happened to work out in this case.  She could have been easily disarmed had the thief taken the whole purse.  Better to carry in a purse than not at all,  Every situation is different. Can’t plan for every instance-do the best you can “improvise”.  What would have happened if she hadn’t had a gun? She could be dead, injured or she could be OK. 

Was she in fear for her life or did she just not want her purse stolen?

Purse stealing not a big deal BUT personal info, house keys stolen, ID with address could lead to other things. Shouldn’t be sitting in your car.  Situational awareness is a term I want you to familiarize with. Think about it, stay safe. Don’t become a victim. Common sense

2- Armed-Citizen Intervention:  What would you do if you saw another person being attacked?  Would you stand back, take pictures and be a good witness?  Does your answer change if the victim is a sheriff’s deputy in uniform and the attacker is going for the deputy’s gun?

Texas Deputy Dylan Dorris was have a very bad day.  The deputy responded to a problem at a gas station in Bastrop county.  It was almost 10 pm when the deputy stopped to talk to a man after reports of a man driving erratically with a child in the car.

The deputy stopped the car and the driver attacked the deputy, punching the deputy and reaching for his gun. An armed civilian saw the fight and stepped in to help.  

Scott Perkins yelled “Freeze!” as he pointed his concealed carry weapon at the suspect.  The suspect stopped fighting the deputy and ran.  The suspect was later arrested later by two deputies.  He was charged with  aggravated assault of a public servant, taking an officer’s weapon, evading arrest or detention with a vehicle, and driving while under the influence.

The deputy was hospitalized and released.  He said, “There are no words to explain it.  I’m alive today because of him.”  A sheriff’s spokesman said, “This is a situation where being a license to carry holder truly did save a life.”

Amber Notes: Give example of armed Sheriff Posse Member in Phoenix intervening in a suspect/police fight. Coma, almost died. Are you willing to risk your life? In this case it worked out but the alternative? Judgement call.  Better be prepared if you are going to get involved. You could become a hero or you could become seriously injured or die. Repeat to yourself I am not the police

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3-Georgia Home Invasion stopped with old rifle: A metro Atlanta man is very lucky he kept an old hunting rifle in his home.  28 year old Timo Hernandez had his mother in town for a visit. There was a knock at the front door as they sat down to eat dinner.  This is what Mr. Hernandez said happened next. “When I opened the door, these two guys stormed in with guns and started pistol-whipping me and took me to the ground.” The second intruder went after his mother, who was trying to escape. Quote “He started pistol whipping and kicking her in the side…He put a gun to my head.”

The son’s attacker demanded money and forced him through the house at gunpoint. They took him to a guest bedroom and threw him to the ground.  That is when Hernandez decided to fight back. His father’s old hunting rifle was stored in that guest room. Hernandez grabbed the rifle, and shot both men.  The thieves ran from the house.  The first one died on a neighbor’s lawn while the second attacker died in the hospital a few days later. 

Amber comments- What if they’d kept him out of that particular room?  Make sure your guns are easily accessible but safe if you have kids etc. Do you keep your guns loaded? There is no time to load a gun in an emergency.  NRA safety rules say keep gun unloaded.  Use common sense.

Rob-  I recommend keep at least ONE gun in your house loaded and easily accessible. Gun safe, biometric safe etc. Don’t open the door for strangers ever. Security door, layers of protection. Answer the door with your gun on you. Carry at home.

No such thing as a “one shot stop,” even from a rifle.  I’ve personally shot deer through the heart and lungs with a .308 Winchester, and still have it run 100 yards before going down.

Exit- Amber Kunau, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?
Amber Kunau- They can contact me Instructor Amber K on Facebook.
Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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Episode 1 with Jenna Meek

Introduction- Rob- Welcome to episode 1 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I’m Rob Morse with instructor Jenna Meek.  Hi, Jenna.  Together, we report and analyze examples of armed civilian defense each week.

Jenna- Our first example took place last month in Alaska.

1 First story- Concealed carrier saves security guard (and stops mass murder)-  

Rob- 22 year old Matthew Willhite had never drawn his gun in public.  Come to think of it, most of us who carry concealed haven’t done so either.  Matthew was carrying concealed as he does every day.  This day he was with his girlfriend as she went shopping in a local mall.  It was an ordinary day.. until a mall security guard approached another man and told him to stop.  The man was being detained for shoplifting.  The shoplifter was armed and the shoplifter drew his gun and pointed it at the security guard.  The guard pushed the gun away and the two men struggled.

Matthew Willhite heard the security guard yell “Gun, gun, gun!” and then yell for help.  Willhite pulled his own firearm and pointed it at the armed thief.  In Willhite’s own words, “I yelled that I had a gun and he should drop it, and he eventually saw (the .45).  Once he dropped the gun, the security officer handed me the gun, so I kicked it behind me and kept (my gun) on him until the security officers put handcuffs on him.”  Willhite said he had his gun at “an angle where he could see me, but nobody else was going to get hurt.”

Jenna, what do you think of that?

JENNA comments-  Techniques- ?Does your wife or girlfriend hold your strong hand as you walk? Do you carry bags or packages in your strong hand?

Are you willing to move so you have a clear shot before you put your finger on the trigger?

Results- Think about this. The thief had more than four cartridges.  There were more than four people in the mall.  I think this armed young man stopped mass murder!

2- Store clerk saves employees and customer..again (and stops mass murder)

This incident started with a loud bang.  The convenience store owner didn’t have time to react before the masked robber drew a gun, stepped past customers and started shooting.  The store owner and another employee grabbed guns that were hidden behind the counter at Snappy’s Convenience Store in Deerfield Beach, Florida.  The owner and employee fired back .. several times.  The store owner’s gun jammed, and by the time he secured a third gun that he had hidden behind the counter, the thief was down and out of the fight.  Surveillance video confirms the owner’s story.  Both victims were shooting.  Police pronounced the thief dead at the scene.  The thief had a criminal history of drug trafficking and was out of jail on probation.

This was the third time the store owner faced an attempted armed robbery.  They had six firearms kept hidden around the store.  This was the third time they fought back and prevailed. 

JENNA comments- Physical- Loose guns get ignored, get dirty, and jam. Also, the best place for a defensive firearm is ON YOUR PERSON.

They ducked behind the counter and moved. Counter was probably not actually adequate cover from bullets. Consider the materials; would it have stopped bullets?

Two defenders versus one attacker.

Have you ever practiced with your spouse or co-worker to walk to the household guns and defend the family?  It took us over a minute to get a loaded gun in hand.  Presentation from concealed carry takes 1 second. I keep a gun on my person, even at home.

Was there time to call the police?

The thief didn’t ask for cash, he started shooting.

Results- There were three employees and at least one customer in the store.  A mass murder is four or more people killed in a single incident.  I’m sure it felt like self-defense, but the store owner stopped mass murder.

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3- Concealed carry while you get your haircut (and stop mass murder)

Two masked and armed criminals pushed their way into a crowded Columbia, South Carolina barbershop filled with men, women and children.  One of the men carried a long gun and the other had a handgun.  The two thugs demanded money and repeatedly threatened everyone with violent death.  They told the customers to put their hands up, and one by one, to empty their pockets.  Fortunately, two of the victims had concealed carry permits.. and they were armed.  The barber told the thief that his money was behind the barber chair.  The barber and another store customer started shooting when the thief turned.  Their shots struck one of the robbers several times.

The two criminals ran from the barbershop. One escaped, the other dropped to the street.  He died in a nearby hospital. None of the customers or employees in the barbershop were injured.

Investigators determined that the suspect’s weapons was stolen from a South Carolina home back in 2012.  Police examined surveillance video and ruled the incident as self-defense.

JENNA comments- Physical-  Would this have worked at all with off body carry, say a woman had her gun in her purse while she was having her hair done? This is a big problem with off body carry.

Mental- Is a barbershop where you expect to be robbed?  It isn’t a nightclub.  It isn’t a convenience store next to the highway late at night.

The robbery victims were armed.  They did not present their weapons and fire as soon as they saw the threat.  They waited for an opportunity when the robbers were looking away.

Lots of screaming, crying and moving people.  This is not like our square shooting range. The robbers were shot and still ran away. 87 percent of handgun wounds are not lethal. Results- Another mass murder that didn’t happen because of a good buy with a gun.

Exit- Jenna Meeks, thank you for helping me today.  Where can our listeners find you?

Jenna- They can contact me Carry On Colorado Dot Com.  Here is my new book “Calling the Shots” on Amazon.

Rob- Join us next week for more Self-Defense Gun Stories.

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